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AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:55 am

Random question... Does AA run any domestic service on widebodies from ORD other than the morning run to MIA on the 763? That's the only one I've been able to find.

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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:31 am

Yes you're right. That's the only one I see ORD-MIA on 763 equipment 1x daily in each direction, the return flight leaving MIA at noon EST. All other ORD-MIA flights are 738s. ORD-MIA will soon be all 738.

Up until not long ago, there was an ORD-LAX flight on 763 equipment, but now not anymore. ORD-LAX is all 738.

Note that ORD no longer sees the AA757.
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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:39 am

They had SFO 763/LAX 763/ DFW 777/ HNL 763 rumors are that DFW-ORD will have a 787 even after training...
 
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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:43 pm

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 2):
DFW-ORD will have a 787 even after training...

It doesn't surprise me. Back in the 90s (1993/1994) when DFW-ORD became all S80 20x daily or so, it had one widebody flight each way. It started with the MD-11 and it was so during the whole of the 90s until late 1999 when it was switched to a 777 1x daily in each direction. ORD-DFW lost the 777 not long ago, so it is now all narrow body service, note that we now start seeing the 738 on the DFW-ORD flight, but as you say it is likely to see one 787 in each direction probably in a year from now. The reason they always scheduled one widebody flight was for long haul flight repositioning purpose.
That is probably why you still see one 763 on the MIA-ORD flight, for the same reason.Two years ago I flew on a 763 from MIA to ORD, that particular 763 I flew on was continuing to CDG.

This is good to know, but to be honest with you, if I fly DFW-ORD I would choose to fly on a S80 if it is still available, instead of the 787 or the 738, because I know the S80 is leaving in a not too distant future.

Ben Soriano

[Edited 2014-08-11 05:44:32]
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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:48 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
It started with the MD-11 and it was so during the whole of the 90s until late 1999 when it was switched to a 777 1x daily in each direction. ORD-DFW lost the 777 not long ago

Yes, due to Bermuda II, the DFW-LHR flight was actually DFW-ORD-LHR. That's why the sole 777 was there. With the new US-EU open skies, it wasn't necessary.
 
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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:57 pm

Quoting deltaffindfw (Reply 4):
Yes, due to Bermuda II, the DFW-LHR flight was actually DFW-ORD-LHR. That's why the sole 777 was there. With the new US-EU open skies, it wasn't necessary.

Not quite. The 777 was routed between DFW and ORD for aircraft scheduling purposes, and to maintain operational flexibility to get aircraft back and forth between these two large 777 bases. It was not, per se, to particularly schedule an aircraft DFW-ORD-LHR. Indeed, during much of the 1990s and 2000s, prior to the end of Bermuda II, AA had a grand total of three daily DFW-LHR flights routed via ORD, EWR and JFK, but the ORD flight was not the 777 - it was, and remains to this day, the early morning DFW-ORD operating with an MD80 as AA90 connecting to the morning ORD-LHR operating with a 767 (and in the past, during some seasons, 777) as AA90. In addition to AA90, AA100 was routed DFW-JFK-LHR, and AA92 was routed DFW-EWR-LHR.
 
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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:02 pm

AA ought to see 757s this winter, flying to the ski resorts. I know that the A319 does well from high-altitude airports, but I wonder if the traffic volumes out of ORD will require the 757.

Now, would AA add 757s and/or 763s on ORD-MIA during the winter? Between the uptick in cruises out of Miami and Ft. Lauderdale, people wanting to get out of the upper Midwest for vacations (espeically if we have a repeat of last winter), and the ever-increasing traffic to Latin America, I can see AA wanting additional seats, while not necessarily wanting to add more flights between MIA and ORD.
 
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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:13 pm

Waaaaaaayyyyyyyy back in the 70's they had DC-10s going to LAX and JFK I believe and I am not sure where else.
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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:02 pm

763 already does ORD-MIA 1x past winter for a little period it was 2x and with 757 back in the winter for ORD-MAN/ORD-EGE they had ORD-MIA on 757 as well.
 
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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:20 pm

I think last winter, the 757 also did ORD-JAC.
 
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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:49 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 9):

I think last winter, the 757 also did ORD-JAC

I believe that the OP asked for domestic wide bodied operations, but I don't think that there are alot of 757 operations from ORD either.
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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:52 pm

757's have been pulled from summer from ORD and just show up in winter
 
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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:37 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 7):
Waaaaaaayyyyyyyy back in the 70's they had DC-10s going to LAX and JFK I believe and I am not sure where else.

You don't need to look "waaaaaaayyyyyyyy back" to the 1970s; 762, 763 and DC-10s regularly operated ORD/LAX through the late 1990s. A pair of 763, timed to connect with the European departure/arrival bank, operated LAX & SFO until recently.

When I was a senior in high school, I booked a trip to LAX on AA just to fly their DC-10 one last time before they were retired. At the time, there was one single ORD/LAX and one single DFW/LAX RT operated with the DC-10. My inbound flight to DFW arrived ontime but by the time we crossed the field misconnected and I ended up on a "Super 80" to LAX. My LAX-ORD flight was swapped from the DC-10 to a 738 (holiday=light loads) -- then brand new & one of the first to arrive into ORD and unfortunately the staff wasn't expecting it and had problems getting the jetbridge to align. Again, I misconnected. Ah, memories.

Quoting ckfred (Reply 6):
Now, would AA add 757s and/or 763s on ORD-MIA during the winter?

With only 225 seats, the 763 isn't an optimal choice for increasing capacity on a domestic route.

[Edited 2014-08-11 11:46:38]
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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:17 pm

Not really a widebody, but AA does run the international 757 on MIA-MCO-MIA and MIA-JFK-MIA frequently as a repositioning leg. See here: American Airlines Flagship Business Class MCO-MIA (by LPDAL May 20 2014 in Trip Reports)

Is AA going to replace the angle-flat seats on these birds? Perhaps with the J hard product from the new A321Ts?

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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:34 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 12):
With only 225 seats, the 763 isn't an optimal choice for increasing capacity on a domestic route.

But, if a 738 has only 154 seats (assuming the tables are removed from the exit rows), then the 763 has 71 more seats. Swap out four 738s for 4 763s, and you added 284 seats. To me, that makes more sense than trying to add a couple of 738s to a route.
 
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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:14 pm

Back in 98-2000 The DC10 was not scheduled on anything other than HNL routes you would have to go way back to find a scheduled ORD-LAX DC10
 
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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:34 am

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 15):
on anything other than HNL routes you would have to go way back to find a scheduled ORD-LAX DC10

In November 1979 AA had 18 daily DC-10s from ORD.

ACA 1 x daily
BOS 1 x daily
BUF 1 x daily
DTW 2 x daily
IND 1 x daily
LAX 4 x daily
EWR 1 x daily
PHX 2 x daily
SFO 4 x daily
YYZ 1 x daily
 
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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:02 am

I actually flew this flight today ORD-MIA on the 763... it was packed to the brim! I didn't realize that this was the only domestic wide-body flight from ORD on AA.

While this is stating the obvious, I flew on aircraft N371AA and it was quite dated on the interior. I know these birds are set for new interiors, but then can't come soon enough! Looks especially ghetto with half of the aircraft having the new ceiling and bins, while the other half is old style.

Regardless it was nice to fly on something different then a 737 in the USA!
 
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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:18 pm

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 15):
you would have to go way back to find a scheduled ORD-LAX DC10

Not that far way back. Up until 1994 or 1995, AA was still flying the DC-10 on the LAX-ORD route, the DC-10-10.
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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:38 am

Quoting a318 (Reply 17):
While this is stating the obvious, I flew on aircraft N371AA and it was quite dated on the interior. I know these birds are set for new interiors, but then can't come soon enough! Looks especially ghetto with half of the aircraft having the new ceiling and bins, while the other half is old style.

371 is one of the older aircraft and will probably left as-is to finish her days on medium-haul routes from MIA to the Caribbean and South America.

The newer 767s are only receiving new business class interiors; the economy cabin will remain as dated as ever.
 
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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:18 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 7):
Waaaaaaayyyyyyyy back in the 70's they had DC-10s going to LAX and JFK I believe and I am not sure where else.

I don't recall JFK..i think it was usually a 72S back then.

However, I flew on those DC10-10's many dozens of times to LAX/ SFO/ PHX and one season back then to ACA.

With the divesture of some gates and such at ORD, I still wonder if it would make some sense to schedule a few widebodies from ORD to key west coast markets (LAX/PHX/SFO) during peak times. Certainly when the 787s arrive in a few numbers a few 767 and or 772s will be freed up to be worked into some sort of rotational basis to serve those 3 key markets/ hubs at least once daily.







 
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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:30 pm

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 19):
The newer 767s are only receiving new business class interiors; the economy cabin will remain as dated as ever.

Bummer... the shag carpet bulkheads look terrible!
 
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RE: AA Domestic Widebodies From ORD

Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:25 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 18):
Quoting ripcordd (Reply 15):
you would have to go way back to find a scheduled ORD-LAX DC10

Not that far way back. Up until 1994 or 1995, AA was still flying the DC-10 on the LAX-ORD route, the DC-10-10.

Both AA and UA were still using the DC-10 on a few LAX-ORD and SFO-ORD flights in the April 1995 OAG.

LAX-ORD - total 23 daily (12 UA, 11 AA)
UA - 4 x DC-10, 3 x 757, 5 x A320
AA - 1 x DC-10, 1 x 763, 1 x 762, 2 x 757, 6 x MD-80

SFO-ORD - total 18 daily (12 UA, 6 AA)
UA - 3 x DC-10, 1 x 744, 1 x 763, 5 x 757, 2 x A320
AA - 1 x 763, 1 x 762, 1 x 757, 3 x MD-80

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