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Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:40 pm

Hello all,
I am an avid 747 fan and I am on a mission to see at least one of every 747 model ever made. I am getting close, and one of the final ones is the 744ER. I know that there are only 6 of them out there. Where do they fly? I have seen multiple Qantas 744's but never an ER. I have been checking the Qantas 744's on flight radar, and I never seem to find them.
 
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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:43 pm

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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:43 pm

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Thread starter):
I am an avid 747 fan and I am on a mission to see at least one of every 747 model ever made. I am getting close, and one of the final ones is the 744ER

Wow you've tried 200SUD, 300SR, 400D, and SP ?
 
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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:46 pm

From recent activity it looks like they are doing the following right now:

SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD
BNE-LAX
SYD-JNB
SYD-SCL
SYD-NRT
 
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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:50 pm

I have seen the 747SP, 400D and 200SUD at a few airline boneyards (Victorville, Mojave, etc) and I am still looking for the 200M, 300R, and 400ER.

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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:55 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 3):

Thank you very much. I think the only remotely possible 2 are LAX/DFW
 
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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:40 pm

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 5):
Thank you very much. I think the only remotely possible 2 are LAX/DFW

Once SYD-DFW goes nonstop, it's switched from 744ER to 388. Your best bet is LAX.

Can one actually tell between 200SUD and 300 from physical appearance alone without looking at the airline livery or registration number ?
 
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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:33 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 6):
Can one actually tell between 200SUD and 300 from physical appearance alone without looking at the airline livery or registration number ?

I have never found a way to tell visually. When I saw the 747-300, I mistook it for a -200SUD until i checked the tail number
 
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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:01 am

For about another month, until the DFW flight becomes an A380, you can fly the BNE-SYD leg which is the QF8 DFW-BNE-SYD tag on for about $100   Probably the last and cheapest option if you ever want to fly on one... To just see them DFW is certain until the A380 takes over and they often fly into LAX...My brother just flew LAX-BNE on Wunala...
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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:55 am

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 7):
Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 6):
Can one actually tell between 200SUD and 300 from physical appearance alone without looking at the airline livery or registration number ?

I have never found a way to tell visually. When I saw the 747-300, I mistook it for a -200SUD until i checked the tail number

I don't think there's any way to tell them apart visually.

How many of the 12 742s (10 KLM and 2 UTA) converted to -200SUDs are still flying? In 2008 only 2 were still in service as freighters with Southern Air Transport. KLM's 3 factory-built 747-300s are also shown as stored/retired.

Apart from the 12 742SUDs, JAL also converted 2 747-100Bs to SUDs.

Related 2008 thread:
KLM's 747 200 SUD's (by Ridgid727 Aug 6 2008 in Civil Aviation)

Photos of the conversion process on a KLM 742. Only their 10 later GE-powered 742s were converted, not their 7 original P&W-powered 742s.
http://www.airlinereporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/B747-200-SUD-conversion-pictures.jpg
 
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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:41 am

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 7):
Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 6):
Can one actually tell between 200SUD and 300 from physical appearance alone without looking at the airline livery or registration number ?

I have never found a way to tell visually. When I saw the 747-300, I mistook it for a -200SUD until i checked the tail number

What is the difference between the frames and why were they converted ?
 
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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:01 am

I would love to see take off from DFW. It likely a full power high rumble take off.
 
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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:03 am

Quoting Thomaas (Reply 10):
What is the difference between the frames and why were they converted ?

The -200s were converted to 200SUDs to add the additional stretched upper-deck capacity as on the 743, and of course later on the 744.

Same aircraft before and after the conversion:


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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:46 am

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 11):
I would love to see take off from DFW. It likely a full power high rumble take off

I can guarantee you they do. They flew over my college every night and sometimes my dorm/apartment would shake. That's also how I knew it was 10:14!

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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:24 am

Just saw one tonight at Terminal D.

Is there any external differences between the 744 and 744ER?
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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:48 am

Quoting texdravid (Reply 14):
Is there any external differences between the 744 and 744ER?

Only that most QF 744s have RR engines, but the ERs have GEs.
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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:32 pm

Quoting texdravid (Reply 14):
Is there any external differences between the 744 and 744ER?

The -ER says "Boeing 747-400ER" and the regular just says "Boeing 747-400". Other than that it's hard to tell unless you look at the engines.
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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:03 pm

Saw VH-OEJ about 40 NM northwest of Dayton, OH during her LAX-JFK segment of flight 107 passing 1,000 feet right above us while I operated a West bound leg...beautiful aircraft indeed.

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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:19 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
The -200s were converted to 200SUDs to add the additional stretched upper-deck capacity as on the 743, and of course later on the 744.

Wow, that's quite a process. How much did it cost per airplane to give it a new top? Who did the modification?
 
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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:06 pm

Quoting kann123air (Reply 16):
The -ER says "Boeing 747-400ER" and the regular just says "Boeing 747-400". Other than that it's hard to tell unless you look at the engines.

Lol, actually Qantas have bungled that. At least one of the -ERs just says 747-400 on it.
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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:47 am

Quoting zululima (Reply 19):
Quoting kann123air (Reply 16):
The -ER says "Boeing 747-400ER" and the regular just says "Boeing 747-400". Other than that it's hard to tell unless you look at the engines.

Lol, actually Qantas have bungled that. At least one of the -ERs just says 747-400 on it.

You are right, that would be VH-OEG (just over the wing, the others all say B747-400ER)...


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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:58 am

Quoting kann123air (Reply 16):
Other than that it's hard to tell unless you look at the engines.

IMO the engines are the easiest way to tell (and only way from distance) as the GEs and RRs look very different. The main thing is the shape but the colour is a dead give away - the non ERs with the RRs are a ugly looking dull silver engine but the ERs with the GEs have a lot of white on the egnine...
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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:32 am

Is QF B743 'VH-EBU - Nalanji Dreaming" still stored at AVV ?
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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:27 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 8):
For about another month, until the DFW flight becomes an A380, you can fly the BNE-SYD leg which is the QF8 DFW-BNE-SYD tag on for about $100 Probably the last and cheapest option if you ever want to fly on one.

Will be on that short BNE-SYD sector on Saturday specifically for adding the 744ER to my log.
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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:33 pm

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 22):

Sure is, but its looking worse for wear.
 
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RE: Where Do The Qantas 747-400ER's Fly?

Fri Aug 15, 2014 4:05 am

Quoting Boeing727 (Reply 20):
You are right, that would be VH-OEG (just over the wing, the others all say B747-400ER)...

Very interesting! I've spotted that aircraft before and I didn't even notice that. Haha
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