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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:25 am



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART LVIII
"History of Augusto César Sandino International Airport. Managua, Nicaragua"

IATA code: MGA
ICAO code: MNMG
Coordinates: 12°08′29,38″N 086°10′05,44″W
Elevation: 193 feet
Lenght of runway: 8012 feet
Direction: 10/28
Operator: Empresa Administradora de Aeropuertos Internacionales.


The airport lies 11 km east of the city center of Managua and is connected to downtown by a six-lane highway.
Formerly known as "Aeropuerto Internacional Las Mercedes" by 1968 had four positions to meet planes as large as the Boeing 707.
Two more stations were successfully installed during the seventies.
MGA survived the 1972 earthquake and by the eighties it acquired its actual name.
Their facilities for the care of both passengers and cargo have been extensively developed during this century.



Route map of international routes throughout the year.


Edited on August 13, 2014.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:47 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
Route map of international routes throughout the year.

No MEX-MGA at all?
Are DL LAX-MGA and NK FLL-MGA seasonal?
For some reason I think MSY-MGA/SAP and HAV-MGA might work.
Doubt AV would like to try something like an E190 LIM-MGA since AV requesting authorisation for BOG-MGA would surely be a political challenge.

Sure CM is a PTY hub airline but every-time I see how some major P2P routes out of GUA and MGA are neglected by some airlines I think CM should at least have a financial exercise about operating some routes out of GUA and MGA.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:53 am

Enjoyed my visits through MGA. I would normally stay at Best Western Las Mercedes just across the street. The airport is probably the most modern structure in the whole country. First time was on a Copa 737-200 to and from SJO. Second time was three years later on a Copa E-190 to and from GUA. Would use MGA to get a ground transfer to beautiful Granada. Next time, I will go to Leon instead.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:13 am

Surprise surprise
The next ATR72 will go to Honduras

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I follow this page production lists and still list TG-TRD

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:13 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 1):
No MEX-MGA at all?
Are DL LAX-MGA and NK FLL-MGA seasonal?

NK FLL-MGA 4x weekly is available year-round and following the red-eye pattern.
No MEX-MGA at all. AeroConnect on behalf of AeroMexico mainline discontinued MGA the last decade via Guatemala City.
Aerocaribbean on behalf of Cubana operated HAV-SAP-MGA with turbo-props some years ago.
DL MGA-LAX may resume their activities in December.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:27 am

If AV did LAX-GUA-MGA or if DL resumed LAX-GUA, far better than going via SAL with notoriously short connection times. AV dehubbing SAL and setting up GUA would be better. GUA makes a far better hub than SAL, more modern than SAL, closer to the city than SAL.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:30 am

Re: last post. I stand corrected: should be LAX-MGA. DL already flies LAX-GUA.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:24 pm

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 6):
DL already flies LAX-GUA.

DL flies LAX-SAL/GUA/LIR/SJO/BZE
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:41 pm

Tomorrow is the day Avianca start opertating revenue flights on the new ATR72-600 in Central America.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:44 pm

That's very good for LAX. What have the loads for LAX-MGA been? IIRC, only TACA did that route. When did DL do LAX-MGA?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:45 am

Quoting juanchito (Reply 8):
Tomorrow is the day Avianca start opertating revenue flights on the new ATR72-600 in Central America.

AV started the renewal process within Colombia by switching their F50s for eight brand new ATR-72s for their domestic operations.
Related to the Central American scenario, the TG-TRC and HR-AYJ frames are already forming part of the new regional fleet and more to come soon.




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Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 9):
When did DL do LAX-MGA?

Besides DL LAX-GUA, the first experiment of Delta Air Lines trying to link Central America and Los Angeles happened during the late years of the past decade.
Liberia, Belize City and Managua were forming part of that expansion plan out of LAX. This project didn't last too much. Same with some routes launched out of JFK to Central America on DL, some years ago.
The U.S. mortgage crisis, the recession process of December 2007 - June 2009 and high prices of oil worked against these projects.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:29 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 10):
HR-AYJ frames are already forming part of the new regional fleet and more to come soon

She is still in France. 7 frames will be the ATR72 for C.A.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:09 am

Thanks for the heads-up!
Any word on VECA or will it become "failure to launch"?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:13 pm

Aerocaribbean still does HAV-MGA on tuesdays and saturdays operated by an ATR72, Conviasa is Flying on saturdays from CCS to MGA with an E190, there´s a stop in PTY but I don't know which way.
Starting August 25th La Costeña will start flying from MGA to TGU. They operated that route long time ago, when Atlantic Airlines was still flying here. Will most likely start with C208s, I'll upload some pictures whenever I get to fly that route.

Both DL and TA LAX-MGA are seasonal, they performe very good.

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 12):
Any word on VECA or will it become "failure to launch"?

It seems they are having issues with their authotization from the FAA, they are working on that. Since the airplanes are N registered they need permit from the FAA as well. I heard they are coming to MGA soon to do operational checks. We'll see
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:38 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 10):
The U.S. mortgage crisis, the recession process of December 2007 - June 2009 and high prices of oil worked against these projects.

Actually the routes did fine. DL pulled the plug on the entire LAX experiment not because LAX-Central America was a failure, but because they needed to focus on other core business. I would expect to see them add MGA/SAP-LAX as soon as they have spare aircraft to do it. Remember they need 738s and 752s to do the routes. DLs 320/319 cannot do the routes....they both took/take load hits on LAX-BZE/CUN with the former being switched over to a 738 this past May for the very reason. They used to have to block out 7 seats northbound on the 320.

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 13):
Both DL and TA LAX-MGA are seasonal, they performe very good.

as far as I know DL does not currently fly MGA-LAX in any form.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Fri Aug 15, 2014 4:02 pm

First AV 788 is out of the paint shop. I think I would have loved to have seen this aircraft in the old TA (the yellow red and blue) colours.

https://twitter.com/anfelarce/status/499711146698747904/photo/1

[Edited 2014-08-15 09:16:19]
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Fri Aug 15, 2014 4:06 pm

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 13):
Aerocaribbean still does HAV-MGA on tuesdays and saturdays operated by an ATR72

It's good to know about the steadily service on HAV-MGA !




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Quoting MGASJO (Reply 13):
Conviasa is Flying on saturdays from CCS to MGA with an E190, there´s a stop in PTY but I don't know which way.

V0 CCS-PTY 6x weekly with E90 is active since December 2013.
Simultaneously, V0 CCS-PTY-MGA and back is running Saturdays only.

V0 7200/7701.....CCS 11:00.........12:50 PTY 13:50...........14:30 MGA.........Sa.........E90
V0 7702/7201.....MGA 15:30........18:10 PTY 19:10............22:00 CCS.........Sa.........E90

I didn't list the MGA-PTY-CCS service on the map because the information only displays their non-stop routes.


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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:31 am

Any chance that Westjet might increase ops to Liberia from other parts of Canada? Or even start to SJO? So far, aside from AC and AV, there are no others. Can 738 do it?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:16 pm

TAP Portugal crew got robbed in their hotel

Hope it dont affect their operations to Panama City
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:24 am

Quoting shaq (Reply 18):
TAP Portugal crew got robbed in their hotel

what a shame  

based on the articule nobody got hurt but still it's a bad situation.

Panama police need to get these guys out of the streets !!!
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:43 am

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 17):
Any chance that Westjet might increase ops to Liberia from other parts of Canada? Or even start to SJO?

I ignore the answers.
WestJet from Canada is basically oriented to the Caribbean and some Mexican vacation destinations related to this geographical area.
Liberia is getting seasonal services from Canada deployed by Air Transat, Sunwing, WestJet as well as the year-round services supplied by Air Canada.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:34 pm

Thanks for patience and heads up on that information.
By the way, I saw some pics on Jetphotos.net of LAN A320s at SJO.
Are those going MX or are they special charter flights?
I wish LAN would start service to CR and eventually outdo AVIANCA in SJO and severely punish them for dehubbing a very key hub. Other than a nice name change for SAL from Comalapa to Cuscatlan to Oscar A. Romero airport (which is a very appropriate change), the facilities at SAL, the long drive - all are least appealing about keeping SAL as a hub under the new AV. This is wishful thinking by the way. However, as a native to CR, you have much better insight into why or why not SJO would make a good hub airport.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:11 pm

DL added some sat frequencies ATL-BZE starting mid feb. So your typical Feb/March saturday at BZE in 2015 will look like

DL - ATLX3, LAX X1
UA - IAH X4, EWR X1, ORD X1
AA - MIA X2, DFW X2, CLT X1
AV - SAL X 1
9N - CUN X2, MID X1, RTB X1, SAP X 1, FRS X 1

Not too shabby.
Only thing missing our our friends from WN, B6 and CM.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:24 pm

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 21):
By the way, I saw some pics on Jetphotos.net of LAN A320s at SJO.

It had to make a stop because a fault in the aircraft.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:27 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 22):
FRS X 1

Last monday I wen't to BZE and they use 2 C208 in the morning.
So that varies depend the demand of the day.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:53 am

Quoting juanchito (Reply 24):

Last monday I wen't to BZE and they use 2 C208 in the morning.
So that varies depend the demand of the day.

It varies between a 208 and a King Air. the King Air either RONs in RTB or FRS. When it doesn't go to RTB, it goes to FRS. Both seat 12.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:05 am

Copa Airlines is paying tribute to the Panama Canal due to their 100 years of operations.
The airline has painted “100 years of pride” and “100 years connecting the world” on two of their 738s.
Furthermore, CM is displaying the Panama Canal centennial logo next to boarding gates for 40 aircrafts.




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Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 21):
why or why not SJO would make a good hub airport.

Possibly there's no chance due to lack of proper infrastructure, in terms of amount of jet-bridges, boarding lounges and so forth.
Due to this assertion, the hub at SJO on TACA lost its former status once their operations were centralized under the AV brand. As a result, SAL became as its sole regional hub.
LAN recently acquired the former Aires from Colombia and it rapidly became a LAN division. I don't think they will open a new transferring center at SJO.




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Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 21):
some pics on Jetphotos.net of LAN A320s at SJO

The LAN Cargo division with 763 is the only brand staying regularly at SJO by now.
Neither LAN mainline, LAN Peru nor LAN Colombia have demonstrated interest in Central America yet.
That possibility may happen once LATAM will be unified.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 22):
UA - IAH X4, EWR X1, ORD X1

Do you happen to know when will UA ORD-BZE begin ?

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:55 pm

Cubana [HAV-SJO] will resume their services and deploying the Antonov 158 aircraft.
When AV dismantled its San Jose hub, TA/AV SJO-HAV was removed from the route map.

CU 216..........HAV 08:30...........SJO 10:00.........Th, Su.......... A58
CU 217..........SJO 11:30...........HAV 15:00..........Th, Su......... A58
Effective: November 16th.




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AeroMexico plans to expand code-share service with Avianca into the following Central American routes:

San Jose - San Pedro Sula
San Jose - Tegucigalpa
San Jose - Panama City
San Salvador - Guatemala City
San Salvador - San Pedro Sula
San Salvador - Tegucigalpa
Effective: August 22nd

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:10 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 26):
Do you happen to know when will UA ORD-BZE begin ?

Dec 20

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 27):
AeroMexico plans to expand code-share service with Avianca into the following Central American routes:

San Jose - San Pedro Sula
San Jose - Tegucigalpa
San Jose - Panama City
San Salvador - Guatemala City
San Salvador - San Pedro Sula
San Salvador - Tegucigalpa
Effective: August 22nd

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:14 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 28):
And so the long assimilation into sky team begins

When the river roars, stones it brings.. ?
Well I've been waiting for DL to put CM code-share on its ATL-PTY for a long time.. SkyTeam KL and AF don't have a problem with that.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:49 pm

It has long been rumoured that since AV did the shotgun *A wedding that DL has been courting them hard to jump ship and that AM has been playing an integral part of that courting.

Really it makes little sense for AV and CM to be in the same alliance, competing for the same passengers and especially since they really don't like each other very much.

IMHO, the *A marriage of them both was a case of lets see who blinks first and exits. CM has been working hard to fortify its *A relationships...AV not so much. This might be AV blinking and testing the Skyteam alliance.

AV would bring a lot to the Skyteam alliance.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Aug 21, 2014 4:01 am

If you consider how great a stake UA holds in COPA, it's not at all surprising. AV has in a very friendly wAy opened a lot of award seats to Mileage Plus and I've enjoyed a great deal of flexibility as a MP member redeeming my miles for AV. I for one don't want AV to leave. Having both AV and CM gives me more options. Also, AV economy is even more Comfy than CM.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:31 pm

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 31):
If you consider how great a stake UA holds in COPA,

UA does not hold a financial stake in CM anymore. They are just very tight buddies.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:59 am

Avianca is adjusting its capacity on Bogota - Panama City 21x weekly:
AV BOG-PTY 7x weekly 320
AV BOG-PTY 14x weekly 319
Effective: September 01.

The 332 will be no longer available in such route.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:49 pm

United axed the flight between IAD-GUA
This flight was operating 4 weekly.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:02 pm

Quoting juanchito (Reply 34):
United axed the flight between IAD-GUA

It's just a seasonal withdrawal.
UA IAD-GUA will resume their services from November 01st on a weekly basis.
Frequencies may rise onward.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:33 pm

Seems PTY has no funds for its expansion.
PTY without funds for South Terminal from www.prensa.com in Spanish
New South Terminal is expected to be operational 2017.
Tocumen INC. can't get funds from Duty Free concessions before terminal is ready.
Tocumen INC. has only paid Brazilian contractor Odebrecht USD200 million; PTY new terminal price tag runs into USD700 million and has to paid University of Panama for the land where the new terminal is being built.
PTY is considered Panama most important asset after the Panama Canal and for Panama sake we hope the new administration can fix all the bugs left in PTY by the former one.
One thing is for sure, PTY would surely see an increase in the number of remote gate positions.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:47 pm

Apparently Speaking at the International Aviation Forecast Summit in LAS today,B6 CEO Dave Barger specifically mentioned SAP and BZE as destinations of extreme interest to them.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:57 pm

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 37):
Apparently Speaking at the International Aviation Forecast Summit in LAS today,B6 CEO Dave Barger specifically mentioned SAP and BZE as destinations of extreme interest to them.

That'd be SAP from MSY and BZE from FLL I believe?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:30 pm

I dunno but I would guess both sap and BZE would be JFK or FLL. With JFK more likely for BZE
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:48 am

The spread of B6 would be a nice addition to Central America.
I'm still puzzled about how San Pedro Sula might work into the route map of the airline.
Ft. Lauderdale might be a potential candidate taking into account the NK SAP-FLL 4x weekly service and following purely the red-eye pattern.
The dimension of the traffic between SAP and South Florida does not precisely deserve one more carrier in such route. Both AA and TA don't operate more than a daily flight.
I don't believe on any B6 MCO-SAP.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:39 pm

CEO Dave is quoted as saying "if it speaks Spanish it does well for us, real quick"
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:30 am

Copa Airlines will add five more weekly frequencies into the crowded SJO-PTY market.
As a result, some flights displayed into the first outbound bank at PTY will be easily available from SJO.
SXM had lost the immediate connectivity from SJO due to its early departure from Panama City.

CM 458...PTY 21:58.....SJO 22:22....Ex Mo, Fr
CM 459...SJO 04:35.....PTY 06:53....Ex Tu, Sa
Effective: September 02

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:13 am

4:35 departure from SJO is brutal. Who ever flys that flight will earn my respect. Regardless, I'm glad to hear SJO getting more service.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:49 am

Quoting avi8 (Reply 43):
4:35 departure from SJO is brutal

CM 428 [MEX-PTY] leaves at 04:44
CM 497 [GUA-PTY] leaves at 05:00
CM 668 [CLO-PTY] leaves at 05:04
CM 532 [MDE-PTY] leaves at 05:06
CM 634 [CUC-PTY] leaves at 05:07

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:58 am

Quoting avi8 (Reply 43):

Amen! Might as well go straight to the airport from the bar!
Nevertheless the airline industry is about utilization. If they can get enough pax to fly it at break even that is like money in the bank.
When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:05 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 44):
CM 497 [GUA-PTY] leaves at 05:00

Wonder why there's no GUA-PTY departing at 0330h (0630h PTY arrival).
GUA misses a lot of connections with a PTY arrival at 0800h.
I'm not on CM's payroll.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:36 pm

AA is changing MIA-BZE (both rotations) to a 319 (vs 738) starting in Nov. Guess this will further drive up the yield. But wonder how they will get all that cargo out?

all those free upgrade happy hindus and Gov't officials aren't going to like the 8 seats of the 319.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:56 pm

Is it the AA A319 or the US A319?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:54 am

Quoting juanchito (Reply 3):
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 40):
I'm still puzzled about how San Pedro Sula might work into the route map of the airline.

Why not? They could start with an E-190 if available.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 40):
Ft. Lauderdale might be a potential candidate taking into account the NK SAP-FLL 4x weekly service and following purely the red-eye pattern.

From what I'm told, that flight is always full.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 40):
Both AA and TA don't operate more than a daily flight.

AA operates two daily flights most of the year (right now one).

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 40):
I don't believe on any B6 MCO-SAP.

Agreed. I can't see the demand.

Now, what I would love to see (and won't happen any time soon) is B6 flying FLL - TGU. They could do it on an E-190.

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