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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:44 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 149):
I'm guessing the Salvadoran Supreme Court won't be weighing in on this one.

i don't know. Legislature is full of Chavez -lovers; so who knows..
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:15 pm

What brand does LACSA now operate under?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:51 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 151):
What brand does LACSA now operate under?

Isn't it Avianca Costa Rica? they still use the LACSA callsign though
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:38 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 150):
i don't know. Legislature is full of Chavez -lovers; so who knows

I doubt señor Kriete is overly concerned with that. He still has friends in high places, you know. In fact, perhaps the main reason why AV went against operational logic and avoided downgrading the SAL hub was so he wouldn't lose out what's left of his political leverage back home. It must've been a concession Efromovich made with great reluctance.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:25 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 148):
"Volaris tramita permiso para volar de México a El Salvador"

The terminal at Ilopango will need a lot of changes before it can be used again for commercial services. It is a neat building, though. Unfortunately, driving through Soyapango to get to Ilopango Airport from San Salvador is a very unpleasant experience.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Sun Oct 26, 2014 5:09 pm

based on today Prensa, AF is increasing CDG - PTY to 5 weekly with 777-200 (309 seats) . it seems as they had 88% ocupancy !!!

http://www.prensa.com/impreso/econom...rance-anade-quinta-conexion/414042
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:31 am

Quoting sfjeff (Reply 154):
Unfortunately, driving through Soyapango to get to Ilopango Airport from San Salvador is a very unpleasant experience

Doesn't mean people won't do it. People drive through bad neighborhoods all over the world to get to airports. Its closer to town than SAL which has its advantages.

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 155):
based on today Prensa, AF is increasing CDG - PTY to 5 weekly with 777-200 (309 seats) . it seems as they had 88% ocupancy !!!

nice….can PTY do anything wrong these days? How is TP doing?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:52 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 156):
can PTY do anything wrong these days?

Not PTY, but our former ruler put our country in shame when he broke-in Albrook Saturday looking for a suspicious helicopter which had flown earlier over his home.
Martinelli broke-in Albrook Airport. In Spanish from www.prensa.com
No idea if the government will sanction the former ruler or how.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:54 pm

Quoting sfjeff (Reply 154):
Unfortunately, driving through Soyapango to get to Ilopango Airport from San Salvador is a very unpleasant experience.

Doesn't matter. Meteorites fall meters away from the runway in MGA and people still fly! haha

http://www.el19digital.com/articulos...lo:22151-meteorito-cayo-en-managua
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:45 pm

The 738 enrolled on Copa Airlines and registered as HP-1827 CMP is featuring the Canal de Panama logo due to the centennial of their commercial operations in 2014.
The photo was taken some weeks ago in Orlando, Florida.





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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:24 pm

Today GUA receive a 747-400 from Qantas. Charter from around the world tour.
Got the chance to see it. It was amazing. I will share some pictures later.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:27 pm

Is this one time only, or will become more regular?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:37 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 162):
Is this one time only, or will become more regular?

Wish to be more regular, but it was a one time only flight. Yearly around the world tour.by Qantas.
This time it stopped in Guatemala.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:12 am

Quoting juanchito (Reply 161):
Qantas 747-400 in Guatemala

The next destination should be located close to Guatemala City, given the constraints at GUA for this authentic wide-body frame.
When KL did serve GUA before with 747s, MEX was the layover on the way to Europe, if I remember correctly.
I ignore if Pan Am flew the GUA-LAX north-bound segment in the past with 747s free of penalties.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:40 am

today's Prensa:

http://www.prensa.com/impreso/econom...nsa-reafirma-interes-panama/416283

based on this, LH is looking to close an agrement with Panama them will fly to PTY up to 5 weekly frequencies late in 2015 !!! very interesting indeed   
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:01 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 164):
The next destination should be located close to Guatemala City, given the constraints at GUA for this authentic wide-body frame.

Next stop will be San Francisco.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 164):
When KL did serve GUA before with 747s, MEX was the layover on the way to Europe, if I remember correctly.

It was not just layover, they do had 5th freedon rights on the route. It was operated up to 5 weekly with a combination of 747-400 Combi and 747-400 Full Pax

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 164):
I ignore if Pan Am flew the GUA-LAX north-bound segment in the past with 747s free of penalties.

Good question neither do I.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:33 am

Thomson Airways officially announces the opening of London Gatwick - Liberia service next year.
Perhaps the first incursion of the 787 service in Central America, as far as I know.
Costa Rica - Turkey is on the radar.

Related press release: http://www.ticotimes.net/2014/10/13/...p-flight-from-london-to-costa-rica


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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:43 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 167):
Thomson Airways officially announces the opening of London Gatwick - Liberia service next year.
Perhaps the first incursion of the 787 service in Central America, as far as I know.
Costa Rica - Turkey is on the radar.

PTY will be first, as they will be receiving familiarization flights for the 787 of Avianca later this year.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:40 pm

Reservations on F9 DEN-SJO and back are no longer available beyond March 01st.




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I briefly stayed at LIR for the weekend and they were preparing the opening ceremony due to the first flight on B6 BOS-LIR 1x weekly on November 01st.
The activity included a welcoming speech as well as a choreography of dances related to the culture of Guanacaste.
Authorities didn't allow me to take pictures.
  

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:50 pm

Venezuelan government authorities have suspended AV ticket sales at CCS for failing to disclose passenger airfares.. http://t.co/tuKwvSoqXj (link in Spanish).
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:11 am

So where would this third viva airline be

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...d-viva-airline-by-end-2015-405682/

SJO? PTY? GUA? or would he go further south to Argentina.

Joe knows Central America well. 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:38 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 171):
SJO? PTY? GUA? or would he go further south to Argentina.

Please let it be GUA, they are in desperate need of new service.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:19 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 172):
Please let it be GUA, they are in desperate need of new service.

While I agree GUA would be a good choice because of population, airport etc….SJO might be a better choice as it is "equidistant" from Vivas Colombia and Mexican operations, and SJO has the advantage of better tourism traffic in addition which helps to diversify the entire operation.

It also throws the challenge down to CM…..do not underestimate the ego thing in all of this.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:38 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 173):
GUA would be a good choice because of population, airport etc….SJO might be a better choice as it is "equidistant" from Vivas Colombia and Mexican operations, and SJO has the advantage of better tourism traffic

Consider both 5Z and VB involve local capital (Grupo Bolívar and Grupo IAMSA, respectively), so the question is who might be the local investors.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:57 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 173):
While I agree GUA would be a good choice because of population, airport etc….SJO might be a better choice as it is "equidistant" from Vivas Colombia and Mexican operations, and SJO has the advantage of better tourism traffic in addition which helps to diversify the entire operation.

It also throws the challenge down to CM…..do not underestimate the ego thing in all of this.

How much is the Panamanian goverment willing to give Viva to set up its 3rd airline base in BLB Howard Panama Pacifico, where Viva Colombia currently operates?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:42 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 175):
BLB Howard Panama Pacifico, where Viva Colombia currently operates

It would fit perfectly into the focus or niche strategy devised for BLB which is to specialize in serving a few specific markets, such as LCCs, charters, and cargo.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:01 pm

If Viva Centro America (If that is what it's called, which I think has a good ring to it) were to actually start, my guess is they would base aircraft around Central America like Ryan air and Easy jet do in Europe. I do not think they would have an actual hub bur rather a point-to-point structure based on O/D.

Even though it could be Central America, there are other countries that could use this

What do you think?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:01 pm

never thought about BLB....good idea.

So lets say the contenders are BLB, SJO, GUA for now.....what about ISSS? Good long runway. Lords knows the Salvadorans are pissed at AV and are trying desperately to lure carriers there. All they would need is a small terminal built.
And ISSS has a nice pop base to work with.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Fri Nov 07, 2014 12:41 am

UA IAH-SJO will temporarily operate an extra flight following the "red-eye" pattern:

UA 1181......IAH 21:10......SJO 23:57..........Frequencies may vary
UA 1172......SJO 00:52.....IAH 05:47...........Frequencies may vary
Effective: December 11 - May 04


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[Edited 2014-11-06 16:42:33]
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:03 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 179):
UA IAH-SJO will temporarily operate an extra flight following the "red-eye" pattern:

Good use of an aircraft that would probably otherwise sit idle at IAH. Perhaps UA should try a few more of it.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:15 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 169):
briefly stayed at LIR for the weekend and they were preparing the opening ceremony due to the first flight on B6 BOS-LIR 1x weekly on November 01st.
The activity included a welcoming speech as well as a choreography of dances related to the culture of Guanacaste.
Authorities didn't allow me to take pictures.

Was this for the 11/1 LIR-BOS flight?

I flew BOS-LIR on the inaugural - at BOS we just got free t-shirts, continental breakfast, and a welcome speech from B6's director of BOS ops. During the flight, B6 gave out two pairs of roundtrip tickets, some B6 TrueBlue points, caps, and giftbags. Upon exiting the jetway, passengers recevied a small gift box of local chocolates.

The BOS flight seems to be the only arrival in mid-morning, I breezed through customs at LIR and had a driver waiting so I didn't get a chance to nose around and see if they were doing anything else.

Flight was about 80% full as well. Going back probably 70%. I ran into a couple people who only stayed 4 days and went back via JFK.
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:46 am

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 181):
Was this for the 11/1 LIR-BOS flight?

I flew BOS-LIR on the inaugural - at BOS we just got free t-shirts, continental breakfast, and a welcome speech from B6's director of BOS ops. During the flight, B6 gave out two pairs of roundtrip tickets, some B6 TrueBlue points, caps, and giftbags. Upon exiting the jetway, passengers recevied a small gift box of local chocolates.

Thanks for visiting Guanacaste !
The activities mentioned in my reply 169 took place on the tarmac and they weren't oriented to passengers and general audience.




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Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 181):
The BOS flight seems to be the only arrival in mid-morning

The operations at LIR involving jet-line flights at the morning are usually minimal throughout the year, especially during the working days.
LIR drives the 15% of the international demand of passengers in Costa Rica.
Rumor has it that more than the 95% of passengers travelling daily on AA MIA-LIR are originated in the United States. Maybe a record for the airline.
In other words, all the new infrastructure built at LIR is justified for those passengers who want to spend their holidays in Guanacaste. Our local component is drastically low, in all these international flights.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:23 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 182):
Rumor has it that more than the 95% of passengers travelling daily on AA MIA-LIR are originated in the United States. Maybe a record for the airline.

95% is not unusual on some leisure routes. RTB falls into this category as well.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:52 am

Ranking about revenue seats per week on Copa Airlines and Copa Airlines Colombia out of Panama City.
Filter period: November 02 - November 09, 2014


......................................Weekly seats…........…..Remarks
San Jose **..........................7232.............24x E90 + 4x 73G + 28x 738
Havana.................................6468............7x 73G + 35x 738
Bogota..................................6400............14x E90 + 41x 73G
Cancun.................................6148.............7x 73G + 33x 738
Lima......................................5348.............7x 73G + 28x 738
Mexico City...........................5384.............6x 73G + 29x 738
Miami....................................5384.............6x 73G + 29x 738
Santiago, Chile......................4960............31x 738
Orlando.................................4852….........3x 73G + 28x 738
Santo Domingo.....................4634.............7x E90 + 14x 73G + 14x 738
Sao Paulo.............................4480..............28x 738
Medellín................................4368.............28x E90 + 14x 73G
Guayaquil..............................4018.............7x E90 + 21x 738
Quito......................................4018.............7x E90 + 21x 738
Guatemala City **..................3970.............33x E90 + 7x 73G
Punta Cana............................3838.............17x E90 + 14x 738
Managua **............................3406.............27x E90 + 7x 73G
Los Angeles...........................3360.............21x 738
New York JFK........................3360.............21x 738
Buenos Aires..........................2720............17x 738
Cali.........................................2632............28x E90
San Juan................................2418............7x E90 + 11x 738
Rio de Janeiro........................2240...........14x 738
Tegucigalpa **........................1988...........7x 73G + 7x 738
Las Vegas..............................1920...........12x 738
San Pedro Sula **..................1778............7x E90 + 7x 738
Brasilia...................................1760............11x 738
Washington…….....................1740…........5x 73G + 7x 738
Caracas…..............................1736….......14x 73G
Cartagena…...........................1692….......18x E90
Santa Cruz……......................1616…........4x 73G + 7x 738
Asuncion….............................1493…........3x 73G + 7x 738
Barranquilla….........................1316….......14x E90
Port of Spain….......................1316…........14x E90
San Salvador…......................1316…........14x E90
Belo Horizonte…....................1120…........7x 738
Chicago……...........................1120…........7x 738
Cordoba…..............................1120…........7x 738
Montevideo….........................1120…........7x 738
Porto Alegre…........................1120…........7x 738
Aruba…...................................1034….......11x E90
Pereira….................................1034….......11x E90
San Andres…..........................940….........10x E90
Boston…..................................868….........7x 73G
Maracaibo….............................868…........7x 73G
Port au Prince….......................800….....…5x 738
Toronto…..................................800…........5x 738
Guadalajara…...........................658…........7x E90
Manaos……..............................658…........7x E90
Valencia…….............................658….........7x E90
Montreal…................................640….........4x 738
Ft. Lauderdale….......................496….........4x 73G
Kingston…................................496….........4x 73G
Montego Bay….........................496….........4x 73G
Recife…..............................…..496….........4x 73G
St. Maarten…............................496…........4x 73G
Tampa…...................................496….........4x 73G
Bucaramanga…........................470.........…5x E90
Monterrey…...............................470…........5x E90
Santiago de los Caballeros…....470…........5x E90
Cucuta…....................................376…........4x E90
Curacao…..................................376…........4x E90
Nassau…...................................376….........4x E90
Georgetown…............................248…........2x 73G
Iquitos….....................................188…........2x E90
Liberia….....................................188…........2x E90


** Combined routes included.



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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:41 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 184):
Nassau…...................................376….........4x E90

I thought this had been upgraded to a daily 73G. I have seen 737s there many times.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 184):
Port of Spain….......................1316…........14x E90

wasn't this a mix of 73G and E90 because of cargo space?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Wed Nov 12, 2014 2:55 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 185):
Port of Spain….......................1316…........14x E90
wasn't this a mix of 73G and E90 because of cargo space?

The research was based on copaair.com and reflects the situation during the first week of November exclusively.
Anyways, a double check confirms that CM PTY-POS 14x weekly is now predominatly served with E90 jets.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 185):
Nassau…...................................376….........4x E90
I thought this had been upgraded to a daily 73G. I have seen 737s there many times.

I even saw CM PTY-NAS as 6x weekly in the past.
Analyzing flightstats.com, the 737 equipment is available in such route this week.
So, the original source is not entirely reliable, in terms of equipment.  
Some leisure stations such as NAS, SXM and LIR are popular for Americans. However, they fall within the bottom places in the list.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:20 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 186):
I even saw CM PTY-NAS as 6x weekly in the past.
Analyzing flightstats.com, the 737 equipment is available in such route this week.
So, the original source is not entirely reliable, in terms of equipment.  

I get through NAS quite often. Never seen an CM Ejet there. Always 737. Always FULL FULL FULL. Atlantis is teeming with Brazilians.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:40 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 187):
I get through NAS quite often. Never seen an CM Ejet there. Always 737. Always FULL FULL FULL

CM PTY-NAS will see the E90 on November 15th:

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:42 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 188):
CM PTY-NAS will see the E90 on November 15th:

Not doubting you....jsut thought it a strange turn of events.
NAS used to do really well for CM....a downgrade to E190 means loads or yields are struggling.
I once ran into a CM crew member in NAS who had non revved for a little R&R. They were stuck and couldn't get out because the planes we so full. He was frightened he would lose his job and had to buy a ticket to MIA to get back from there.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:43 pm

Nk just announced a whole lot of IAH-Central America. I wonder why GUA was not chosen over SAP (For example)

From another thread
IAH-MGA is 22:35-00:47+1
MGA-IAH is 01:45-06:24
Outbound operates Sunday/Wednesday/Friday

IAH-SJO is 22:35-01:10+1
SJO-IAH is 01:55-06:50
Outbound operates Mon/Tue/Thu/Sat

IAH-SAL is 22:35-00:24+1
SAL-IAH is 01:20-05:38
Outbound flights Sun/Tue/Thu/Fri

IAH-SAP is 22:35-00:14+1
SAP-IAH is 01:15-05:17
Outbound operates Sun/Tue/Thu
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:53 pm

Hello Guys!,

After being an avid reader of Airliners.net, I have decided to become an active member on the Forums!.

Looking at the state of Central America, and some movements in the Airline Industry lately, what do you guys Think of the almost inminent entrance of VECA Airlines into the Aviation Market?. There has been a lot of Buzz around with some Demonstration flights they have done with Dignataries, and political figures in the Country.

Central America is in deperate need of alternatives when it comes to specific routes that are just way up too expensive to fly on, we really need more Cost Effective Options for passengers, paying $700 USD to fly to Costa Rica or Guatemala is way up too high due to the lack of competition... But I am afraid this VECA Project is just a Political Gimmick that will end up not being operated as a true, safe, and effective Airline.

My largest concern is about the Safety and Trust of this company. There is so little know about who the real management is, who are the real investors (Besides being very public now that ALBA Petroleos is behind it 100%, and they have thrown out the other investors they had, in an apparent very intense fight...). I know some of the Pilots they have, and they are part of the best in the Region, but apparently the management is a tremendous mess. Last I heard the Pilots did not have Contracts, as the Airline was against providing them with a Contract, just because they did not want to give them a contract - Which is required by Law in El Salvador at Least.

Also, they have fired a lot of heads of the Maintenance Department, which were ex TACA People with a lot of years of experience. Does anyone know if these key positions were replaced, and their Maintenance department is in good hands?. When the FAA went to inspect their manuals and Maintenance department, they found so many irregularities that their permits to fly N-Registered Aircraft was delayed for months. Can we trust VECA to know what they are doing flying Airbus Aircraft in the Region?.

What do you guys Think?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:19 pm

Quoting CAMSky (Reply 191):
Looking at the state of Central America, and some movements in the Airline Industry lately, what do you guys Think of the almost inminent entrance of VECA Airlines into the Aviation Market?.

your a funny guy. we need that in this forum. They have been "imminent" for about 2 years.. I think they had counter space in SAP that SAP airport took back for non use.

Quoting CAMSky (Reply 191):
There has been a lot of Buzz around with some Demonstration flights they have done with Dignataries, and political figures in the Country.

thats a long way from scheduled service.

I wish VECA the best but I think their road to startup is very long and it in entirely possible it never sees the light of day.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:47 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 192):
They have been "imminent" for about 2 years

As "imminent" as CM's service to BZE! (sorry i just had to  )

Quoting CAMSky (Reply 191):
Cost Effective Options for passengers, paying $700 USD to fly to Costa Rica or Guatemala is way up too high due to the lack of competition.

Lack of Competition because there is a Lack of Market

I a may be completely but wrong, but lets face it, generally speaking CA is poor. Very few people travel between Central American countries for the fun of it. A Typical Salvadorean "middle class" family cannot afford a trip to CR or PTY even if the flight was $200 round trip. So what is the point of having a $400 ticket if the market (rich folks, or folks on business travels) will fork out $700 no questions asked?

Quoting CAMSky (Reply 191):
But I am afraid this VECA Project is just a Political Gimmick t

Of course it is,. Expect flights to Tehran soon.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:15 am

Well, the one piece they were missing (FAA 129.14) Permit, was finally granted some weeks ago. So they finally have legal clearance to take off with Scheduled flights, which they have already alerted to AOG with routes, flight numbers, and timetable. So, yes, funny enough we might see those airplanes in the air sooner than you think. Which is quite a concern, as we have no idea what ammount of dirty moves they played in order to obtain their permits and AOC.

They never got any space in San Pedro Sula, nor Tegucigalpa, so I don't think there is a chance Honduras is on their nearby future.

Central Americam Traffic is almost non-existent mainly to 3 reasons:

1 - Prices are way too high for Small and Medium Business owners to move around $700 tickets via Air.

2- Premium Bus Traffic between these cities is extremely high, you pay $100USD to and from Guatemala on a Premium Bus, because paying $600 for Air makes no sense.

3 - Car Traffic is also high on roads that takes you more than 7-8 hours to get there.

So the traffic question is not for the Leisure Central America (That is non existent), but to put all those Small and Medium Biz owners into Airplanes instead of Premium Buses. Fares are too high.

But at the end, a Game of an Airline with no real knowhow in the market will end up crumbling to its own lack of execution and strategy.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:58 am

According to the announcement from the Panamanian Civil Aviation Authority, they are planning a public hearing for COPA Airlines request to start the PTY-David (DAV) route.

14 weekly frequencies are planned for the COPA's first domestic route.
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:26 am

Quoting mt99 (Reply 193):
As "imminent" as CM's service to BZE! (sorry i just had to &nbsp Wink

Good one! LOL …..its any day now! LOL

Quoting greenmow (Reply 195):
According to the announcement from the Panamanian Civil Aviation Authority, they are planning a public hearing for COPA Airlines request to start the PTY-David (DAV) route.

14 weekly frequencies are planned for the COPA's first domestic route.

what would they use…E190?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:49 am

Quoting CAMSky (Reply 191):
Hello Guys!,

After being an avid reader of Airliners.net, I have decided to become an active member on the Forums!.

Welcome to the forum !   




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Quoting CAMSky (Reply 191):
I am afraid this VECA Project

I think the VECA model promotes many doubts, in terms of destinations, flight equipment and frequencies.
They don't seem to be competing face to face against Avianca and Copa.
Furthermore, we don't have enough information yet about the comprehensive operational plan into the region.

Regards.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:15 am

Quoting CAMSky (Reply 191):
After being an avid reader of Airliners.net, I have decided to become an active member on the Forums!.

Welcome aboard. We know there are more lurkers out there, especially in Honduras, who I wish would follow your example.

Quoting CAMSky (Reply 194):
we have no idea what ammount of dirty moves they played

No worries. It was always like that during the height of the Kriete era, most notably when dealing with competitors and with accident investigations.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 58

Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:49 am

Quoting greenmow (Reply 195):
According to the announcement from the Panamanian Civil Aviation Authority, they are planning a public hearing for COPA Airlines request to start the PTY-David (DAV) route.

14 weekly frequencies are planned for the COPA's first domestic route.

It's not CM opening DAV as new destination, is CM returning to DAV after 30 years without flying PTY-DAV.
As a purely domestic route, I've my doubts, for Panama City - David purely O/D traffic PTY airport is inconvenient, such a service by CM will attract that traffic heading or coming from DAV which doesn't want to change airports in Panama City, so it'd probably be better for CM to fly PTY-DAV-PTY solely for international connecting traffic.
I always thought if CM would return to DAV it'd be as an stop en-route to SJO, MGA or MIA.
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