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First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:38 am

Hello everyone!

Great news for Avianca and 787 lovers.

The first Avianca 787-8 has been fully painted!



I think she looks fantastic! Though, I prefer the 'old' livery.

Thoughts?

www.twitter.com/anfelarce/status/499711146698747904/photo/1

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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:41 am

Haven't been the biggest fan of the new livery, but wow, it looks amazing on the 787-8 !
 
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:47 am

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 1):

Right? Looks great!
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:42 am

looks great! will it be appearing on the new LHR route?
 
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:11 pm

What a beauty!

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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:16 pm

The new livery looks great on the 787! Too bad the rest of the fleet can't pull it off.

Which routes will it see for training?
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:34 pm

Quoting Miami (Thread starter):
Thoughts?

I like what I see, the proportions of the titles and lines suit the airframe, and those red engines look hot !!!
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:43 pm

Looks spiffing. In my opinion one of the top 787 liveries so far.
 
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:50 pm

I also wasn't a big fan of their new livery but wow, it looks fantastic on the 787l!!!

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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:47 pm

Thanks for sharing the photo, but nope sorry, this is miles behind their old livery. I would have loved to see how the red looked on the 787s nose.  
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:51 pm

Does anyone know when it will leave Paine Field to either be tested or a delivered? I'm in Everett on the 28th and I really want to see this plane
 
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 5:26 pm

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 9):
I would have loved to see how the red looked on the 787s nose.  

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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 5:32 pm

I'm interested in knowing if AV will do a few short international routes for crew familiarization before it will start its intended regular schedule. It would be nice to see it here in CUR!!! AV has sent aircraft for registration purposes to CUR before. Keeping my fingers crossed.

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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 5:41 pm

Wow that looks fantastic on the 787, in fact it looks amazing, and this is coming from an Airbus guy who usually hates the 787!!  
 
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:33 pm

...at least they know how to properly draw a stylized bird (*cough cough - AA - cough cough*).

Warming up to the new scheme, a fairly nice interpretation of what was once know as "Eurowhite"...
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:08 pm

Not sure whether it is the colour scheme, or the lens used, or even the angle of the shot ( I know almost nothing about photography, sorry) but to me that photo makes the -8 seem even stubbier than usual.
 
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:02 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 15):
but to me that photo makes the -8 seem even stubbier than usual.

Wider angle lenses do distort the image a bit, depending on how wide the angle is. They make what is in the center of the lens larger and what is at the edges smaller. That would make it look more stubby.
 
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:26 pm

I definitely liked the more abundant red of the 'old' livery.

But this scheme looks fantastic on the 787!

Congrats to Avianca
 
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:35 pm

What a sad, uninspired looking livery. Miles behind their traditional red one. This bird would have looked great in their traditonal colors.
 
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:37 pm

This livery looks incredible. Avianca has 15 of these lovely birds on order; I wonder what the delivery schedule looks like.
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:38 pm

Quoting Miami (Thread starter):

I think she looks fantastic! Though, I prefer the 'old' livery.
Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 1):
Haven't been the biggest fan of the new livery, but wow, it looks amazing on the 787-8 !
Quoting DexSwart (Reply 5):
Too bad the rest of the fleet can't pull it off.

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):

I also wasn't a big fan of their new livery but wow, it looks fantastic on the 787l!!!

I always thought the new livery looked great, but there were detractors and whiners that won't like it because people on here don't like change no matter what.
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:19 pm

When AI got its 787, there was a discussion that the engines cannot be colored red due to some technical reason and so today the Dreamliners are the only AI birds without red-colored engines.

How is it that AV has managed to get red colored engines?
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:24 pm

Quoting justbala (Reply 21):
When AI got its 787, there was a discussion that the engines cannot be colored red due to some technical reason and so today the Dreamliners are the only AI birds without red-colored engines.

It's not that the engines can't be painted red, it's that nacelle paint other than the standard white or gray Boeing paint results in slightly higher fuel consumption.
 
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:50 pm

I'd say it is fortunate for the aircraft that they went with red engines. The white/gray pitched colors for the engine cowlings is challenging for most 787 operator liveries.
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:45 pm

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 5):
Which routes will it see for training?

The airline hasn't released any official announcement yet concerning to the training routes in which the 787 aircraft would be utilized.

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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:16 pm

I dont see MIA as a 787 familarization route because its where the LIM and BOG based a330's are exchanged. Perhaps CCS, MED, PTY ?
 
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:13 am

This airplane will arrive in BOG on the 27th of September with three more to be delivered before the end of the year, hopefuly this delivery schedule can be maintained and all birds are delivered, the second airframe for AV (N781AV) has begun final assembly.
 
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:34 am

Meaningless, bland colour scheme no matter on which aircraft it appears.
 
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:50 am

Aside from the striking red engines, in my opinion this livery exemplifies the worst of the white airplane movement. Just no imagination here. This fits a template that half the airlines use these days. Their old livery was 100% better.
 
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Sat Aug 16, 2014 3:30 am

Combining the AV colors and the TA tail design in one as the new AV tail now has, that was done very well. I think many people don't see this. It shows the new combined airline (AV/TA) perfectly. I like the new livery after seeing this.

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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Sat Aug 16, 2014 4:18 am

I think it looks great; especially compared to the A332! Congratulations AV and welcome to the "787 club"! Looking forward to AV's 787s @ SCL in October!  
 
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:27 pm

Looks great during the day! Although, you can't see much.
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Sat Aug 16, 2014 7:51 pm

Can't wait to see it flying across South America !   
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:11 pm

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 32):

They have 15 on order as of right now. So not much 787 flying for them. But the routes they plan (not confirmed) is BCN, MAD, and LHR.

They plan to use the 787 first at LIM and EZE in the mean time.

The 787 will be a replacement for the A330-200.
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:14 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 20):
there were detractors and whiners that won't like it because people on here don't like change no matter what.

I'm not going to apologise for having an opinion.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 28):
this livery exemplifies the worst of the white airplane movement

Even against IB?  
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:29 pm

It wouldn't be a.net unless someone got their panties in a bunch over a change in livery. It gets a bit predictable. Every time an airline changes livery, 1/3 love it, 1/3 hate it, and 1/3 say meh and move on to the next topic. Personally, I think there are far worse liveries out there. The red lettering and logo on the fuselage against the white looks crisp and clean. They painted the engine nacelles red, which I think helps. As far as the colored swooshes on the tail, could be worse. They're not distinctive and don't really stand for anything except as one poster mentioned perhaps the symbolism of old TACA and Avianca colors being blended together. All in all, I've never held an opinion that a livery looked better on one aircraft type versus another, so I don't really get all the comments about how it looks good on the 787 but not on the rest of the fleet. But that's just me.   
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:47 pm

Quoting Miami (Thread starter):
I think she looks fantastic! Though, I prefer the 'old' livery.

Totally agree!


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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:30 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 15):
Not sure whether it is the colour scheme, or the lens used, or even the angle of the shot ( I know almost nothing about photography, sorry) but to me that photo makes the -8 seem even stubbier than usual.

I think the angle of the picture makes it look smaller and chubbier. i think it doesn't give it justice!
 
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Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:51 am

It looks just okay, it's no American livery   
 
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Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:42 pm

AV mainline has 10 modern 330s that might not deserve the total substitution for their brand new 787s. The half of their brand new 330s started their operations only three years backward.
The former TACA PERU division received one 330 only two years ago.
In my view, their 330s and 787s can easily coexist into the fleet.

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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:42 pm

I don't like the new Avianca livery either. However, even United's "Frankenstein" livery looks best on the 787.

So, I agree with most here - the new livery looks great on the 787. The old one even better. I also would LOVE to see the 1970's orange version with the giant slope from upper front swooping to the lower back. She made the 747 look great. It's probably just too dated now, still I'd love to see it!

Also, I am burning to see the new Etihad on a 787!
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:23 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 39):
In my view, their 330s and 787s can easily coexist into the fleet.

And they will! AV has yet to tae delivery of at least one more A330 (which is ready in TLS), and N508AV, is barely 3 months old! This plane has a new business class configuration and less economy seats -and it is the AV A330 more often seen at LHR -at laso features the new livery, which looks just fine.
 
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Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:34 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 18):
What a sad, uninspired looking livery. Miles behind their traditional red one. This bird would have looked great in their traditonal colors.

This is the new Eurowhite. However, instead of a fully white fuselage, some of the color from the tail extends down to the aft fuselage. It looks OK for the first few carriers who do it, but now that it's been done, AV looks as if they're just following a trend. Their new brand tells a story of being an "also-ran," an airline that provides an undifferentiated and unremarkable service.

Their old livery with the red upper fuselage was much more distinctive. It was recognizable from a distance and told a story of a carrier that strived to be distinct, different, and Colombian.

This new livery speaks of a carrier with a white fuselage and a red tail. Just like Virgin, IB, and others. Other elements of the brand (the soaring bird, the new font) look good, but the livery is the single largest advertising opportunity they have and they've totally blown it.
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:46 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 42):
the livery is the single largest advertising opportunity they have and they've totally blown it.

I actually have to disagree. I think both airline enthusiasts and industry personnel (I have been both) place far too much emphasis on livery. The sad truth is the general public pays very little notice. What gets noticed by the public at large is the actual marketing pieces - TV commercials, print ads, billboards, etc... Some of the best and most effective advertising doesn't even feature images of aircraft exteriors (Singapore Girl campaign)
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Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:03 pm

Quoting PA110 (Reply 43):
I actually have to disagree. I think both airline enthusiasts and industry personnel (I have been both) place far too much emphasis on livery. The sad truth is the general public pays very little notice.

That's not what the folks at firms like Landor and FutureBrand will tell you.
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:13 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 44):
That's not what the folks at firms like Landor and FutureBrand will tell you.

Oh course, however that's what they are selling.. and every sidewalk social worker is a virgin.

Was reading that there is no substantiating evidence that liveries play more than a 2% role in ticket sales.. sure wish I could remember where I saw that. As I recall commercials were more important to leisure travelers than business, however ticket cost, schedules and destinations were foremost. Aircraft type didn't even make the list.
 
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Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:14 pm

Quoting PA110 (Reply 43):
I actually have to disagree. I think both airline enthusiasts and industry personnel (I have been both) place far too much emphasis on livery. The sad truth is the general public pays very little notice.

If that were so, airlines would not spend millions of dollars painting their aircraft. It would be a waste of money; and given the chance of seeing your painted aircraft in a crash scene on TV would even make painting a livery a prohibitive risk rather than a not so important issue.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 43):
What gets noticed by the public at large is the actual marketing pieces - TV commercials, print ads, billboards, etc

And what do those commercials, ads and whatnot feature? Most times, it's the airlines fleet and livery. Especially with new aircraft, airlines like to emphasize their modern fleet in their advertising.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 43):
Some of the best and most effective advertising doesn't even feature images of aircraft exteriors (Singapore Girl campaign)

Best in your eyes. Most cost effective in your eyes. Are you sure it's really that simple?

For an airline, the aircraft livery is an integral part of the corporate identity. You vastly underestimate the psychological effects of it on both workers and passengers. I guarantee you that passengers boarding a branded plane are much more likely to come back after a positive flight experience than passengers having a positive experience aboard an unbranded aircraft. And there are studies to prove this.
The human brain is a very visual tool. It has been proved frequently that images are much easier remembered than text or even music. This is especially pronounced in children.
Children first flying are often very excited about it and will remember these experiences for the rest of their lives. Now, what do you think will a kid remember about a flight? The name of the airline that was on the ticket, or the name that was on the side of this big huge plane on the tarmac? Even if the kid can't even read, it will memorize the brand iconography; it will (if all goes well) forever connect it with strong positive feelings and is likely to come back to the airline when it is an adult. This is only one of the many effects the livery of an airline can have.

You said it didn't matter to you as an airline worker. I think you play this down a bit too much. If you are proud of the company you work for and tell anyone 'oh, I work for XYZ'. How will they react of they can't connect the brand to anything? They will react much stronger if they can relate to some image in their head; meaning an aircraft of that airline they have seen, be it in real life or on TV or whatever.

Images of products reign supreme in advertising. Many tend to forget this today. Take for example P&G. First they alter the name, from a household name like Procter & Gamble that was known to any child, to some generic crap abbreviation P&G.
Then, they don't advertise for individual products anymore but rather promote the P&G brand, which is not a consumer brand like Febreze or Gilette. So, will people connect the P&G ad to Gilette? Many won't.

For an airline, the images that best represents their product are their aircraft. The next thing is their flying personell, the pilots and flight attendants. That's obviously especially pronounced in an airline like SQ with such iconic FA imagery.

To cut a long story short, there is some massive use in airline liveries; otherwise airlines wouldn't spend millions to don them.
 
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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:10 am

New picture of Avianca's 787.

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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:15 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 47):
New picture of Avianca's 787.

Wow, that's the new best livery on the 787 in South America. Very beautiful 

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RE: First Avianca 787 Fully Painted

Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:32 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 39):
AV mainline has 10 modern 330s that might not deserve the total substitution for their brand new 787s. The half of their brand new 330s started their operations only three years backward.
The former TACA PERU division received one 330 only two years ago.
In my view, their 330s and 787s can easily coexist into the fleet.

Avianca is not phasing out its 330 fleet, at least not in the short term. Au contraire, they plan to base most of their 330s in LIM.




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Quoting A388 (Reply 48):
Wow, that's the new best livery on the 787 in South America. Very beautiful

Indeed it is.
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