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AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:05 am

Thinking of:

DFW-ABQ
DFW-OMA
DFW-OKC
DFW-MCI
DFW-STL

and other routes that have been all MD-80's for a long time, since the F100s left at least. What will replace the 80s on these routes. 738s, 321s, or 319s?
 
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Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:17 am

OKC is no longer all M80 from DFW, they've decided to grace our presence with RJ's once again.
 
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:41 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 1):

Today, for example, DFW-OKC has 3 50-seaters, but then 7 MD-80s. It's not like they're running all RJs ala UA.

Quoting DeltaXNA (Thread starter):

I think we could possible also see some US a320s helping out there as well.
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:45 pm

I want to say 7 mainline flights is the max without requiring the station to go back to mainline employees. So AA had to go the RJ route with additional frequencies.
 
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Sat Aug 16, 2014 4:48 pm

Quoting DeltaXNA (Thread starter):
DFW-ABQ

I'd say a mix of A319s and 738s, and possibly some PMUS A320s.
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:02 pm

You can add to that list the hourly DFW-ORD, it is no longer all MD-80. True, the majority of the 18 daily DFW-ORD flights are still MD-80s but we now start seeing the 738 on the route. I suspect that in two years from now, I'd say Fall of 2016, the route will be all 738 and at that point ORD will no longer see the MD-80.

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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:20 pm

AA's fleet has been a limiting factor for the carrier for quite awhile. There's a big deviation in seats between the CRJ/ERJ and M80, and until recently only a limited number of CR7 which were primarily concentrated in specific regions. By the time HPdbaAA has retired its remaining Super 80s, the carrier will have matured and will be able to fly its entire domestic fleet -- CRJ/ERJ, CR7, CR9, E70, E75, even E90, 319, 320, 321, 738 and 757 -- from DFW, best matching capacity to demand.

DFW will look completely different in five years than it does today. People really need to get beyond the idea that traditional AA structure will remain in place, because AA's fleet situation was clearly not optimal.
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:54 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 5):
You can add to that list the hourly DFW-ORD, it is no longer all MD-80. True, the majority of the 18 daily DFW-ORD flights are still MD-80s but we now start seeing the 738 on the route. I suspect that in two years from now, I'd say Fall of 2016, the route will be all 738 and at that point ORD will no longer see the MD-80.

Sometime back, someone on here noted the general plan was to pull back MD-80's to being all DFW based. I'm sure someone can tell us how close that actually is to being.

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 6):
AA's fleet has been a limiting factor for the carrier for quite awhile. There's a big deviation in seats between the CRJ/ERJ and M80, and until recently only a limited number of CR7 which were primarily concentrated in specific regions. By the time HPdbaAA has retired its remaining Super 80s, the carrier will have matured and will be able to fly its entire domestic fleet -- CRJ/ERJ, CR7, CR9, E70, E75, even E90, 319, 320, 321, 738 and 757 -- from DFW, best matching capacity to demand.

DFW will look completely different in five years than it does today. People really need to get beyond the idea that traditional AA structure will remain in place, because AA's fleet situation was clearly not optimal.

Very good point. While I enjoy the MD-80 as much as many of you do, particularly the 2-3 seating, we all know she can be tired bird on some days. Over a year ago, FAT was told that the 738 was coming by the end of 2013. Not yet..and as far as I can see FAT continues MD80 for months. Maybe it will be that last station for the MD 80..for when they retire them it is a short 30 min ferry to Mohave.
Personally, I'd like to see the 738 assigned to the DFW- FAT route..and on the wish list , a 319 to ORD 5 times a week.






 
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:03 am

Quoting DeltaXNA (Thread starter):

I think that MCI will get a mix of 319 and maybe a 320, while STL and OMA will get RJ. Also, I'll go on a limb and say that OMA will be the last Mad Dog route, because OMA always gets screwed like that!
 
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:40 am

Quoting BN727227Ultra (Reply 8):

OMA isn't the only station in the "only S80s from DFW" club. PDX and plenty others get that "screwed like that" feeling right there with you.
 
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:46 am

Quoting PDX88 (Reply 9):
OMA isn't the only station in the "only S80s from DFW" club.

I know SJC, PSP and EWR are as well.
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Sun Aug 17, 2014 2:49 am

Did ALB ever have S80 service? I seem to remember the ATR here alongside the F100, and then it was the RJ. We DO have M80 from time to time with DL
 
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:06 am

Phoenix and Cabo also get the MD80.

Anyone know what might fly these routes when they are gone?

How many MD80s are being retired a month? Year?
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Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:11 am

Quoting UPNYGuy (Reply 11):
Did ALB ever have S80 service? I seem to remember the ATR here alongside the F100, and then it was the RJ. We DO have M80 from time to time with DL

AA does not serve ALB. They did in the past but no current service. US does.
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Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:13 am

Quoting UPNYGuy (Reply 11):

Yes, I had a layover there on Good Friday in 2000. The one and only time I can remember flying there. It was an MD 80 from ORD.
 
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Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:29 am

SMF is also exclusively MD-80 service. I did fly an ex-TW 757 SMF-DFW back in 2005 though.
 
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:35 am

Quoting FriscoHeavy (Reply 12):
How many MD80s are being retired a month? Year?

I'd say in average 3 a month, because within a year time frame 30 to 40 MD-80 are retired. They have now about 150 left, so if they still plan on getting rid of all of them by 2018, that gives an average of more or less 35 MD-80s retired a year.

Quoting UPNYGuy (Reply 11):
Did ALB ever have S80 service?

Yes they did. I was a student at RPI four 4 years, from 1989 to 1993, that's how I know. Back then AA was flying the 727, the MD-80 and the F100 to ALB. ORD and RDU were the two markets AA was serving mainline from ALB. At that time the MD-80 and the F100 were new.
AA continued to fly mainline equipment, mostly F100 aircraft from ORD, till the early 2000s when the ORD-ALB route was downgraded to Eagle only. The RDU hub was closed in the mid 90s. Note that a lot of routes that used to see the F100 out of ORD during the 90s are now mostly Eagle.
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:57 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 16):
AA continued to fly mainline equipment, mostly F100 aircraft from ORD, till the early 2000s when the ORD-ALB route was downgraded to Eagle only. The RDU hub was closed in the mid 90s. Note that a lot of routes that used to see the F100 out of ORD during the 90s are now mostly Eagle.

AA's ORD hub through the years:

ORD in 2001 (excludes TW ops):
ERJ 180
100 91
M80 190
738 46
757 17
762 4
763 14
777 5

ORD in 2009:
ERJ 191
CR7 42
M80 137
738 11
757 21
763 8
777 9

ORD in 2014 (excludes US ops):
ERJ 217
CR7 29
E75 94
M80 53
738 92
757 0
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Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:39 am

ONT exclusively M80 on the AA side. US flies A319/20 plus one RJ.
BUR was a M80 destination but no longer served.
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:53 am

Fresno is all MD-80s (just 2x daily to DFW), BFL was as well before AA pulled out.
 
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Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:31 am

I'm going to miss the M80s at ABQ!
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Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:17 am

DFW-COS has been all MD-80 for a long time. Just booked a trip in October that is now on an A319.
 
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:43 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 5):
You can add to that list the hourly DFW-ORD, it is no longer all MD-80. True, the majority of the 18 daily DFW-ORD flights are still MD-80s but we now start seeing the 738 on the route. I suspect that in two years from now, I'd say Fall of 2016, the route will be all 738 and at that point ORD will no longer see the MD-80.

A friend of mine is an AA 737 captain, and he's been ORD crew base since 1991. He has heard, and the talk makes sense, that the ORD MD-80 crew base will close, and that DFW will be the last MD-80 base.

I seem to recall that as the 727 fleet was reduced, the ORD base closed first, followed by DFW, with MIA being the last crew base.

My friend thinks that ORD will still see the MD-80 for some time after the crew base closes. ORD-DFW will be the last MD-80 route out of ORD, and that will serve as a way to ferry MD-80s to ORD to work flights on other routes.

He figures that once US A320s start to work ORD flights to cities other than the US hubs, as well as US and AA 319s, that's when you will see the crew base close and the slow reduction of MD-80s at ORD.
 
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:38 pm

DFW-BNA is 6 daily MD80s and 3 daily B738s (using a random Monday in September as a base). Will it go all B738 (also used on 2x BNA-LAX/MIA(Seasonal 1x))? Or will A319 (or maybe A321) take over the mad dog flights? DFW is Nashville's second busiest route (shortly behind ATL).

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Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:38 pm

A lot of these comments assume AA will maintain status quo, which likely won't be the case, especially with US management at the helm.

You have to remember that AA was allowed a limited number of 70-seat aircraft, which it felt best to concentrate in specific regions. There's also a limited number of 757, whose capacity is largely concentrated around MIA. So in other words, when assigning aircraft from DFW, AA had two choices: a 50-seater or a 150-seater (and yes, I'm rounding all the seat capacity). That situation is not and never was optimal. But the "new" AA will be able to deploy 50, 70, 80, 100, 125, 150, 160 or 180 seats. The ultimate result is that a lot of all (or mostly) S80 routes today will see an array of equipment ranging from 66 seats to nearly 200. Many of the above responses seem to think the S80 will be replaced nearly 1:1 with 320 or 738, but I can all but guarantee you that won't be the case. DFW in five years will be a much different environment that it is today.

Another thing to consider is that re-banking DFW and ORD ultimately requires more aircraft to perform the same amount of work... so even though AA is gaining seats with new aircraft deliveries, overall it's losing capacity. Further, the industry is once again moving toward larger, lower CASM aircraft... it's very probable that many of the outstanding 319 and 738 deliveries will be converted to 321 and 739.

Quoting ckfred (Reply 22):
A friend of mine is an AA 737 captain, and he's been ORD crew base since 1991. He has heard, and the talk makes sense, that the ORD MD-80 crew base will close, and that DFW will be the last MD-80 base.

This summer ORD saw 53 S80 movements -- nearly 40% of them to DFW, and several other flights to distant places like LAS & PHX -- compared to nearly 300 at DFW. So yes, I agree with your pilot friend that the S80 will be removed from ORD before DFW... except for the ORD-DFW route of course.

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Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:43 pm

ORD-DFW gets 5 738's in September. The October schedule has 1 738, but also a 763 routing DFW-ORD-MIA-ORD-DFW. Not sure what will be loaded beyond that, but the MD80 will be a rare site at ORD in 2015. I do expect the last scheduled revenue MD80 flight to be DFW-ORD-DFW (possibly a STL or LGA routing in there for a farewell tour).
 
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Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:53 am

ALB had MD80 service up until 9/11 or so, and F100s after that. ALB became an AE station in 2002 I believe.
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:22 am

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 24):
That situation is not and never was optimal. But the "new" AA will be able to deploy 50, 70, 80, 100, 125, 150, 160 or 180 seats. The ultimate result is that a lot of all (or mostly) S80 routes today will see an array of equipment ranging from 66 seats to nearly 200.

If you look at AA's average load factor, though, it's hard to see how most routes with, say, more than 4 S80s today will see a significant amount of that capacity replaced by 50 or 70 seat RJs. I think your point is probably valid but that the range of replacement aircraft you envision is likely too large. Routes like DFW-OKC/BNA (just picking two mentioned above) will continue to see lots of mainline, but it won't all be the same size.
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:59 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 27):
If you look at AA's average load factor, though, it's hard to see how most routes with, say, more than 4 S80s today will see a significant amount of that capacity replaced by 50 or 70 seat RJs. I think your point is probably valid but that the range of replacement aircraft you envision is likely too large. Routes like DFW-OKC/BNA (just picking two mentioned above) will continue to see lots of mainline, but it won't all be the same size.

Not necessarily. Just as an example: a route serviced with 6xM80 today could transition to 2xE75, 1x319, 1x738 and 2x321, yielding similar overall capacity but enabling AA to better match capacity against demand per time period, potentially increasing profits/yields.
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Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:31 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 28):
Just as an example: a route serviced with 6xM80 today could transition to 2xE75, 1x319, 1x738 and 2x321, yielding similar overall capacity but enabling AA to better match capacity against demand per time period, potentially increasing profits/yields.

I don't think that example really contradicts the point I was trying to make. My point was that your hypothetical 6x M80 route isn't very likely to go to 6x CR7, 1x 320.
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Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:33 pm

Before the recession of the early 1990s, AA used to fly around 12 R/Ts on ORD-DFW, with everything from 727-100s and MD-80s to DC-10s. A friend of mine used to fly DFW-ORD on Fridays, and he eventually figured out that instead of taking the 5pm DC-10, which was always oversold, he could take the 7pm 727-200, which was usualy 1/4 to 1/2 empty.

It was after the first wave of DC-10 retirements that AA switched ORD-DFW to a shuttle schedule, with 16 to 21 R/Ts, all MD-80s save for one MD-11 (later 777).

Once AA/US start cross-fleeting, it will be interesting to see if ORD-DFW sticks with one aircraft type, or if we will see a variety of 737s, Airbus narrowbodies, and even larger Embrears and Canadairs, to meet demands thorughout the day.
 
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Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:45 pm

SLC is still MD-80 exclusive from DFW (E175's to ORD, though). I'm thinking we might get the A319 or 738, or perhaps a mix of both.
 
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Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:11 am

Quoting ckfred (Reply 30):
Canadairs,

No that I don't think. I don't see ORD-DFW going Eagle.

The latest issue of Airways came in the mail. There is a whole article about O'Hare. They mention, in fact, that the AA MD-80s are now rarer at ORD and are being replaced with 737-800s. They also say that ORD doesn't see the AA A319 or 321 yet.
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Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:28 am

MCI lost it's MD-80s on it's ORD routes. It's all E175s now. Hoping to see some mainline back on that route. DFW-MCI is all MD-80s right now.

LGA-ORD went from MD-80s and 738s to all 738s.
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Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:44 am

Quoting HNL (Reply 13):
AA does not serve ALB. They did in the past but no current service. US does.

I live in Albany (and have lived in Upstate NY my whole life...hence my handle), I think I know AA does not serve my local airport at the current time  . I was asking in the past tense. I couldn't recall if the S80 was ever brought here.
 
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Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:48 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 26):
ALB had MD80 service up until 9/11 or so, and F100s after that. ALB became an AE station in 2002 I believe.

That is interesting... I flew ALB-RDU-MCO my first flight (think it was 93). For some reason I seem to recall it was an F100 connecting to a DC-10, but now going off of what I'm reading here, it may have been S80 connecting to a DC-10.

I was 9 or 10 at the time, so my memory is a little vague
 
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:13 am

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 24):
it's very probable that many of the outstanding 319 and 738 deliveries will be converted to 321 and 739.

I agree with you that this is very probable, but so far I have not seen anything to suggest that AA is looking at the 739. There is probably more acceptance of larger CASM with the U.S. team than the legacy AA team. Seeing many over-sold 738 flights, one can see a need for the 739.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 32):
They also say that ORD doesn't see the AA A319 or 321 yet.

I really cannot see many A319s at ORD given how they have been configured by the legacy AA team. It is just not competitive for the market. The E175 is more comfortable and, with the new first class meal policy, it will soon matter little whether one flies AA or AE.

ORD does see the U.S. A321 from PHX and CLT. I'm not sure yet if AA has decided on the A321 routing once there is a significant amount of aircraft. This still seems to be in flux. I think that there will be more on ORD-PHX routes once the schedules are harmonized.
 
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Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:42 am

PNS also sees S80 service from DFW, as well as MQ E145 service.

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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:58 pm

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 37):
PNS also sees S80 service from DFW, as well as MQ E145 service.

This one is very new. PNS used to be exclusively Eagle until the Spring of this year.
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Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:07 pm

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 38):

Also, DL also is increasingly sending the 712 to the PNS station in place of the usual OO CRJ.

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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:28 pm

Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 36):
I really cannot see many A319s at ORD given how they have been configured by the legacy AA team. It is just not competitive for the market. The E175 is more comfortable and, with the new first class meal policy, it will soon matter little whether one flies AA or AE.

Again, we need to get beyond the "legacy" thought process. Inevitably the "new" AA will convert its aircraft to a single standard; undoubtely, industrial engineers are working hard to figure out how to add an extra row of First to the "legacy" 319 without decreasing the total seat count. And while the E75 may be competitive comfort wise, AA will measure its competitiveness in revenue and costs and thus it's probable mainline will increase in the ORD market.

As I mentioned earlier, as AA returns DFW and ORD to banked hubs, its fleet de facto shrinks as it will now require additional aircraft to perform the same amount of work. One solution to this is to optimize scheduling; AA and US typically schedule aircraft back to the hub they came from. We'll likely see this change.

Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 36):
I agree with you that this is very probable, but so far I have not seen anything to suggest that AA is looking at the 739. There is probably more acceptance of larger CASM with the U.S. team than the legacy AA team. Seeing many over-sold 738 flights, one can see a need for the 739.

No, there's no speculation regarding the 739, but the industry is trending toward larger aircraft and with US management at the helm, I doubt AA's outstanding orders will be delivered as is. Perhaps AA will jam 166 seats into the 738 and be satisfied, only upgauging the 319 order.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 29):
I don't think that example really contradicts the point I was trying to make. My point was that your hypothetical 6x M80 route isn't very likely to go to 6x CR7, 1x 320.

I agree with this, but I was never trying to make that point. The point I was trying to make is that AA doesn't necessarily have to replace S80s 1:1 (in fact, doing so isn't optimal), but instead can use an array of equipment to achieve incumbent capacity.
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:29 am

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 40):
And while the E75 may be competitive comfort wise, AA will measure its competitiveness in revenue and costs and thus it's probable mainline will increase in the ORD market

I'd be happy to see this. I frequent MCI from New York and prefer to keep it mainline when I fly. I'm hoping they restore mainline on ORD-MCI at some point so I have more options.
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:18 am

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 39):

Much more than that! Today, for example, DL's schedule on ATL-PNS has 3 757s and 4 MD-88s.
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:51 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 32):
No that I don't think. I don't see ORD-DFW going Eagle.

I could see an Eagle flight, say 12:30pm and 2pm, and possibly at 10pm. Years ago, AA used to have 10pm depatures out of ORD for DFW and vice versa. It was basically a means of catching up the misconnects that couldn't be accomodated on earlier flights, as well as buisness flyers whose schedule in Chicago or the Metroplex went until 8pm.

Many times, the MD-80 was less than half full. So, an E175 or CRJ 700/900 would certainly make sense in terms of size. But, AA could very well deem that route important enough with the elites that it must be mainline.

Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 36):
I really cannot see many A319s at ORD given how they have been configured by the legacy AA team. It is just not competitive for the market. The E175 is more comfortable and, with the new first class meal policy, it will soon matter little whether one flies AA or AE.

As the number of 757s dwindles, what will AA do about the ski resorts. The A321 is the right size for flying to JAC or EGE, but the A319 seems to be the aircraft that can climb out of those airports as well as the 757.

Assuming that the A319 doesn't get reconfigured for more F seats, it seems to me that maybe flying to leisure destinations that don't have a lot of elites could make sense. I flew ORD-MCO-ORD about 6 weeks ago. While there were a few Ex Plat and Plat passengers going down, the only elites coming back were Gold, and there were only a few of them.
 
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RE: AA Former MD80 Routes Once Retired

Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:42 am

Quoting DeltaXNA (Thread starter):

Can't forget SAT-DFW which is Also all Md-80's.

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