|Quoting neutronstar73 (Reply 117):|
Anti-elitism? WTF are you on about? I guess you want a caste society then. It's a damn bathroom on the plane, not your personal space. It's not about anti-elitism, it's about convenience and opportunity. It makes no damn sense to have a long queue at the economy lavatory when the F-cabin is sitting idle.
Yes, anti-elitism. It is a bathroom dedicated to the use of first class passengers. What is so hard to accept about that?
Flying is not about convenience and opportunity. We all know that flying in economy is always terrible, but we get what we pay for. It makes perfect sense in my mind for a Y pax to wait for his lav to become free. The F lav is reserved for the use of F pax and when they want to use it, they can, thankful with the knowledge that it is stocked with upgraded amenities and a reduced pax load for the washroom.
|Quoting Mir (Reply 57):|
Which is all well and good, but runs up against the issue of practicality. Let's say I'm flying DL, and I'm on a 739. I'm in row 11 (2nd row of Y cabin), the lavs are in the very back at row 37. The drinks carts are at row 18 at the moment, and moving toward the rear at the normal slow drinks service pace. I'll wait if I can, but if I've simply got to use the toilet right then and there, I'm going to have to go use the one in the F cabin, since that's the only one I can get to at the time. And I will, and if some people in F get pissy about that then that's their problem. We're all human, and it's not asking a lot to let someone use a bathroom when they really need to, even if they're not really supposed to. I'll be nice about it, and I'll apologize to the FAs, but I will be using that toilet.
Like I said, I have no problem with pax asking the cabin crew to use a lav they are not entitled to. Common sense (with respect for the rules) and discretion should always take place, but it should not be a god given right and should be considered as a courtesy if they allow you to break procedure. I refer you to what I said earlier:
|Quoting BA0197 (Reply 24):|
Yes, like you said, discretion should be used by the cabin crew, and with their permission I agree, the use of the forward toilet can be allowed for Y pax, but it should be an exception in rare circumstances. A queue in the back loo should not discourage you from going back there and waiting.
If you approached a checkin desk for Y-class that was packed; it would be most improper to go to the First class checkin area. Now, if you were going to miss your flight because you were late checking in, a member of staff may approach you and offer you to use the F class checkin area as a courtesy; but I for one, would not feel it appropriate at all for me to use that if I was not entitled to do so.
|Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 100):|
The vast majority of F passengers in the US have not paid for it with dollars. Most are frequent fliers either getting comped or cashing in miles.
Pax with upgrades have paid for it in some way. Whether that is because of their FF
programmes or a paid- F ticket.
Also, why are we restricting this debate to the USA? I'll tell you if I were travelling BA WT
+ and tried to use the CW
washrooms (which are nearer) the cabin crew would be very quick to put me in my place and send me back a cabin to WT
to use their washrooms. Why? Because I'm not entitled to use the CW
|Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 100):|
Says the guy who thinks he's entitled to sneer at "the lower classes" because he has more zeros in his bank account. "Let's hope the courts make an example of this" bahahahaaa. It's too bad your elitism prohibits you from actually knowing what this lawsuit is about.
Firstly, I would like to point out that I fly economy for a considerable portion of my flights. I am a student at university that travels for my degree. I do not believe in lower forms of human beings and I do not think we like in 1912. I do however, know my place. I will never take something I have not paid for, full stop. The fact of the matter is, is that we live in a world with classes (Whether Americans accept that or not is another debate entirely). We have F class on aircraft because people pay extra for privileges and service.
When I fly economy, I do not have the privilege of availing myself of any of the premium services, and I know this. I have not paid for it. I'm not going to go to the F class checkin desk because the Y class one is full. I'm not going to go through Fast track at security. I'm not going to go and take food from the higher classes. I fail to see why this is a debate? You have not paid for the privilege of having a lav with a lower pax count and the added amenities there are in there. There are usually two lavs dedicate to Y and I know to use those. If that involves queuing, tough for me. I respect rules and etiquette. Some people seem to think that they do not have to because they deem it to be something that they SHOULD be entitled to, but in fact, are not. The curtain/rope is there for a reason.
Like I said, why limit this discussion to US airlines? Why do we not hear things about this on FR
, EZY, EI
? Like I said, I would be whipped back into my seat if i tried this on a BA LH
flight, AF LH