|Quoting Opethfan (Reply 154):|
Guys, this is simple. It's called "discretion" and "common sense." 1/70 Y pax washrooms full? What's more inconvenient for everyone on board, crew or guests - a biohazard accident requiring diversion or a pleb shitting in the fancier hole in the ground?
I really hope that I'm wrong and misinterpreting what some people in this thread are saying, but I get the impression that some would rather see the biohazard accident happen, and just make sure that it's confined to Coach/Economy. Better that than allowing the unwashed masses to violate the sanctity of the upper-class cabins, and if the other people don't like the smell/bacteria, they should have thought about it before and shelled out the money for a higher class seat.
|Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 168):|
I'd rather hang out with a poor person who sees everyone as an equal than a millionaire who thinks he's above people.
|Quoting DexSwart (Reply 171):|
But, like I said. You make your way over before the crap hits the fan.
I've seen some people develop emergencies very quickly...maybe one minute between "I'm feeling okay" and "I need to get on a toilet RIGHT NOW". If that happens and there's a long line for the lavatories in your cabin, what's the best course of action at that point?
|Quoting AT (Reply 197):|
How about having a general discretionary policy that eases restroom access while still maintaining some exclusivity for F class.
-in general passengers should use the restroom in their ticketed cabin.
-passengers can not congregate by the front rest rooms / cockpit door
-in cases where there is a queue of more than say four or five passengers waiting in Y, the flight attendant can direct a few of them to the F class cabin. Then, if a F class passenger needs to use the restroom, the attendant may usher them in front of the Y class passenger.
This makes perfect sense to me, in the absence of rules mandating a minimum number of lavatories per person on any given flight (which actually seems like a better idea, but unless/until that's implemented, we have to make do with the infrastructure that currently exists).
|Quoting evomutant (Reply 202):|
The attitudes of some of the people on this thread are starting to make me think I am better off saving some money and travelling Y instead, lest I be associated with the incredible smugness some of my fellow premium passengers seem inflated with.
Could not agree more...after reading through this thread, I'm more disgusted with humanity than I have been in a very long time (actually, the last time I felt this way was after reading a thread on here where half of the responders wanted to ban all children from aircraft cabins). This is coming from someone who's never used a lavatory on a flight that lasted less than 5 hours, can usually get away with one "pit stop" on a 10 hour flight, and who wouldn't dream of "going through the curtain" into an upper class unless it were an absolute emergency. In general, I respect the differences between the cabins and know my place, but IMHO there needs to be an element of common sense injected in here. Sometimes emergencies happen (and I'm sure it's happened at least once to most of us; if it hasn't happened to you, congratulations and consider yourself lucky), and I strongly believe that there needs to be some flexibility in this policy to take such events into account.
The argument was made that, if the lavatories are opened up for more general use, then by extension all other amenities that pertain to physiological needs (food, wider seats, etc) would need to be also...IMHO that's a false comparison. People are usually okay with not eating for a 5 or 6 hour flight (and, maybe my experience isn't representative of how things "really" are, but on the longer flights I've been on, even Coach/Economy passengers get a meal) and IIRC can purchase food onboard if they do need to eat (i.e. if they haven't had a chance to eat in a while or are having blood sugar issues). However, while what/how much you eat and drink can influence your bodily functions, you don't have complete control over them. Like I said before, sometimes emergencies happen, and I strongly believe that, especially with there being so few lavatories on narrow-body aircraft that are being used for longer and longer flights these days, some flexibility is really important. I'm not saying that everyone from Coach/Economy should be parading up to the forward lavatory, but if there's a long line for the ones aft and someone has a very pressing matter, the forward lavatory shouldn't be completely off-limits, either.
|Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 102):|
Ever heard of the 80/20 rule? 20% of the cabin (First class/Business Class) supply 80% of the profit. While not 100% accurate on the bare numbers, the theory behind it obviously holds true.
I've heard references to this rule before...but, going by that logic (and the implication that Coach/Economy has no value to the airline's bottom line), why haven't airlines eliminated Coach/Economy altogether and just used smaller planes on all routes? I know some flights do this (BA's LCY
service, and to an extent, UA
's P.S. service JFK
), but why not do this industry-wide if the airlines are getting so much of their profits from the premium cabins?