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OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:02 pm

FAQ

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

*3M ATL-MEI NOV 1.7>0.2 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.7>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0
*3M ATL-PIB NOV 1.7>0.2 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.7>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0

8D ADQ-KOZ SEP 0.9>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0
8D ADQ-ORI SEP 0>0.9 OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>0.9 JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>0.8 APR 0>0.9
8D KOZ-ORI SEP 0.9>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0

AA DFW-FRA DEC 1.0>0.9
AA DFW-MAD NOV 1.0>0.8 DEC 1.0>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7
AA JFK-BCN JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.7
AA JFK-MAN JAN 1.0>0.9 FEB 1.0>0.9 MAR 1.0>0.9
AA JFK-MXP DEC 1.0>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6
AA JFK-ZRH JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7
AA MIA-BCN JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.8
AA MIA-MXP NOV 1.0>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.4 MAR 1.0>0.5

AM SAT-MEX NOV 1.1>1.2 DEC 1.8>1.5
AM SFO-GDL OCT 0.7>0.9 NOV 0.7>0.9

Apparently HOU is pretty poor
*B6 BOS-HOU OCT 1.9>1.1 NOV 1.8>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.6>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0
B6 FLL-CTG APR 0.7>0.6
B6 JFK-BQN JAN 1.8>1.0 FEB 1.6>0.6 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0
B6 JFK-CUN OCT 1.8>1.7
*B6 JFK-HOU JAN 1.8>1.1 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 1.9>1.0 APR 1.9>1.0
B6 JFK-LRM OCT 0.4>0.3 NOV 0.4>0.3
B6 JFK-PUJ OCT 2>1.8
B6 JFK-SRQ FEB 1.6>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0
B6 JFK-UVF OCT 0.8>0.6
B6 LGA-PBI NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4
B6 MCO-LGA NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5 APR 4>5
B6 MCO-SJU JAN 7>6

CI LAX-TPE NOV 3>1.9 DEC 2>1.9 JAN 2>1.8 FEB 2>1.9 MAR 2.0>1.8

DL ATL-BZE FEB 1.1>1.3 MAR 1.1>1.3
DL ATL-MSY FEB 11>13 MAR 11>14 APR 11>14
DL DCA-CVG OCT 4>3
DL DTW-CRW DEC 0.6>0.1
DL DTW-CUN APR 1.3>0.6
*DL DTW-ESC DEC 1.7>0.1 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.7>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0
DL DTW-FSD OCT 0.5>0.3
DL DTW-MSY JAN 1.1>2.0
DL DTW-OKC DEC 1.6>1.0
*DL DTW-ROA DEC 0.8>0.3 MAR 0.8>0
DL JFK-BNA OCT 1.0>0.6
DL JFK-CMH MAR 2>3
DL JFK-IAD MAR 2>3 APR 2>3
DL JFK-NAS FEB 1.0>1.5 MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2
DL JFK-STT APR 1.0>0.7
DL JFK-YUL MAR 2>3
DL LEX-MSP OCT 1.0>0.6
DL LGA-DCA NOV 11>12 FEB 12>13 MAR 12>13 APR 12>13
DL MEM-MSY OCT 0.7>0.5
DL SAN-SJD APR 1.0>0.2
*DL SLC-RDU NOV 0.8>0.0 DEC 0.7>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0

*HA OGG-SFO DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0

IB MIA-MAD NOV 1.7>1.6 DEC 1.7>1.5 FEB 1.6>1.4 MAR 1.8>1.7

KL JFK-AMS JAN 2>1.8 FEB 2>1.7

LA MIA-CCS SEP 0.3>0.1

*OJ JFK-GEO SEP 0.1>0 OCT 0.2>0 NOV 0.1>0 DEC 0.1>0 JAN 0.2>0 FEB 0.1>0

PR SFO-MNL DEC 1.0>1.3 JAN 1.0>1.2

SY GPT-PIE SEP 0.7>0

TCX LAS-MAN SEP 0.4>0.3

*UA ACV-CEC DEC 0.9>0.1 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0
*UA ACV-SMF DEC 1.7>0.1 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.7>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0
UA DEN-RSW JAN 0.3>1.1
UA EWR-ALB MAR 5>4
UA EWR-AUS JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4
UA EWR-AVP MAR 3>2
UA EWR-BDL JAN 3>4
UA EWR-BNA JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5
UA EWR-BTV JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4
UA EWR-BUF FEB 6>5
UA EWR-CHS FEB 4>2
UA EWR-CLT JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5
*UA EWR-CZM MAR 0>0.1 APR 0>0.1
UA EWR-DAY FEB 3>1.8
UA EWR-DFW JAN 6>5
Didn't this happen before and was reversed? Real this time?
*UA EWR-DSM JAN 0.8>0.2 FEB 0.8>0
*UA EWR-OKC JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 0.9>0
*UA EWR-SAT JAN 0.9>0.2 FEB 0.9>0
*UA EWR-TUL JAN 0.8>0.1 FEB 0.9>0
UA EWR-DTW JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5
UA EWR-FLL MAR 7>8
UA EWR-GRR JAN 3>1.8 FEB 3>1.7
UA EWR-GSO JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
UA EWR-IND JAN 7>6
UA EWR-JAX JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4
UA EWR-LAS JAN 7>6 FEB 7>5
UA EWR-MCI JAN 5>3 FEB 5>4
UA EWR-MCO FEB 9>11
UA EWR-MHT JAN 4>3
UA EWR-MSN JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 1.9>0.9
UA EWR-MSP FEB 6>5
UA EWR-PBI MAR 7>8
UA EWR-PHX JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
UA EWR-PWM JAN 5>4
UA EWR-RSW MAR 3>5
UA EWR-SAV JAN 3>1.1
UA EWR-SDF JAN 3>1.8 FEB 3>1.7 MAR 3>1.7
UA EWR-SEA JAN 3>1.9 FEB 3>1.8 MAR 3>2
UA EWR-STL JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5
UA EWR-YUL JAN 5>4
UA IAD-AUA FEB 0.1>0.3
UA IAD-DUB NOV 0.8>0.7
UA IAD-PUJ FEB 0.1>0.6
UA IAH-DEN DEC 11>12
UA LAX-EWR JAN 12>10 FEB 12>11
*UA LAX-YUM DEC 3>0.2 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0
UA ORD-ANC JAN 0.6>0.2
UA ORD-AUA JAN 0.4>0.7 FEB 0.3>0.8
UA ORD-MKE NOV 12>11 DEC 12>10 JAN 12>9 FEB 12>9
UA ORD-PUJ FEB 0.1>0.7
UA ORD-PVR JAN 0.5>0.8 FEB 0.4>0.9
UA ORD-SJD JAN 0.4>0.7 FEB 0.3>0.9
*UA SFO-CIC DEC 3>0.2 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0
UA SFO-EWR JAN 14>11 FEB 13>10 APR 15>14
UA SFO-IAD FEB 10>9
UA SFO-OTH NOV 0.9>0.6

UN LAX-VKO FEB 0.1>0.0

*VX AUS-SFO JAN 1.1>1.9 FEB 1.0>1.9 MAR 1.0>1.8 APR 1.0>1.9
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:34 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Didn't this happen before and was reversed?

It did. Unfortunately, I can't tell you whether it's real now.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:49 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-FRA DEC 1.0>0.9
AA DFW-MAD NOV 1.0>0.8 DEC 1.0>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7
AA JFK-BCN JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.7
AA JFK-MAN JAN 1.0>0.9 FEB 1.0>0.9 MAR 1.0>0.9
AA JFK-MXP DEC 1.0>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6
AA JFK-ZRH JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7
AA MIA-BCN JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.8
AA MIA-MXP NOV 1.0>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.4 MAR 1.0>0.5

That is quite a bit of seasonal reductions across the pond. BCN and MAD are very surprising considering the OW dimension here.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-CRW DEC 0.6>0.1
DL DTW-CUN APR 1.3>0.6
*DL DTW-ESC DEC 1.7>0.1 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.7>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0
DL DTW-FSD OCT 0.5>0.3
DL DTW-MSY JAN 1.1>2.0
DL DTW-OKC DEC 1.6>1.0
*DL DTW-ROA DEC 0.8>0.3 MAR 0.8>0

Is it just me, or has DL quietly trimmed DTW back a bit in recent years? Correct me if I am wrong but it seems like MSP now has more departures than DTW, and a number of DTW markets have been either trimmed or cut in favor of routing pax through ATL. DTW was a very important Asia gateway for NW prior to the merger, and everyone says it still is for DL, yet DL is trying to build up SEA as an Asia gateway and seems to be cutting a bit of the feed into DTW that the DTW hub has relied on for years for its Asia flights.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL LGA-DCA NOV 11>12 FEB 12>13 MAR 12>13 APR 12>13

It is worth noting that this is happening right after DL announces an upgauge on the BOS-LGA shuttle and a shift to Terminal C at LGA. Probably just a coincedence but I thought I would point it out.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:51 pm

Is all the UA drawdown at EWR due to runway construction ?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:05 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 BOS-HOU OCT 1.9>1.1 NOV 1.8>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.6>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0

For comparison, how many daily flights does B6 offer to IAH?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*HA OGG-SFO DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:12 pm

Quoting Thomaas (Reply 3):

You can pour concrete in January?

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):

I think it is last to transition from CRJs so there are a lot of gauge changes happening.

I thought the Shuttle freq increase was announced at the same time. There was also a fleet change I think.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:14 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 BOS-HOU OCT 1.9>1.1 NOV 1.8>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.6>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0

For comparison, how many daily flights does B6 offer to IAH?

B6 only serves HOU.

BOS loads were brutal = 50-65%. Does anyone know if the single flight will be a morning departure from BOS?
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:16 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 5):
I think it is last to transition from CRJs so there are a lot of gauge changes happening.

  

A couple of those, certainly ROA and ESC and possibly also CRW, were historically Saab cities.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:21 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA ACV-CEC DEC 0.9>0.1 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0
*UA ACV-SMF DEC 1.7>0.1 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.7>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0

OO retiring more EMB-120's. Lots of holes in routes maps in Oregon and California from these retirements. Doesn't look promising for anyone to pick up any of these routes
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:21 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 6):
B6 only serves HOU.

BOS loads were brutal = 50-65%.

Oh dear god that's awful
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:31 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-MSY FEB 11>13 MAR 11>14 APR 11>14

14 flights? Wow. Most ever from DL. Nice to see.

Also, all three LAX-MSY flights are being upgauged from 319 to 738 in November.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:36 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
That is quite a bit of seasonal reductions across the pond.

This has been thoroughly discussed in multiple threads over the span of weeks - regarding AA specifically, and its other major U.S. competitors. U.S. carriers are very aggressively throttling capacity to Europe this coming winter - particularly the lowest-of-the-low-demand months (January-February) so they can match profitable capacity with profitable demand.

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
BCN and MAD are very surprising considering the OW dimension here.

Alliance connectivity or not, traffic to Europe - especially southern Europe - absolutely drops off a cliff in the winter, especially between New Years and the spring. AA will still be operating at least daily service to BCN, MAD, MXP, FRA, etc. this winter - just not necessarily to the same U.S. gateway from day to day. To my knowledge, the only typically-year-round Europe market that AA is eliminating altogether during the winter is FCO, and even that is only for a period of less than 30 days. Again, look at Delta and United - you'll see much the same thing going on with those carriers.

Quoting mwh787 (Reply 8):
OO retiring more EMB-120's. Lots of holes in routes maps in Oregon and California from these retirements. Doesn't look promising for anyone to pick up any of these routes

I still find it unfortunate that AA couldn't get the LAX-ACV to work. Like EUG, RDM, etc. - it seems like that market could work with a couple of CRJs to LAX.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:53 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

*DL SLC-RDU NOV 0.8>0.0 DEC 0.7>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0

Hmm.

A lot of people are going to be unhappy about this. This is the second time DL tried the route, and I would have thought it would have performed well with the recent RDU build up.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:01 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL DTW-ROA DEC 0.8>0.3 MAR 0.8>0

Seasonal or is DL just going to serve ATL from ROA?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL SLC-RDU NOV 0.8>0.0 DEC 0.7>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0

somehow I am not surprised by this. When is DL going to announce RDU-SEA  
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:09 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA ACV-CEC DEC 0.9>0.1 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0
*UA ACV-SMF DEC 1.7>0.1 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.7>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0
Quoting mwh787 (Reply 8):
OO retiring more EMB-120's. Lots of holes in routes maps in Oregon and California from these retirements. Doesn't look promising for anyone to pick up any of these routes

You beat me to it, OO has dropped LMT, CIC, YUM. But with these two cities UA/OO will still be flying in and out of ACV & CEC, it's just that it'll only be with non-stops from SFO.

Good news for those people who I know that live in Brookings and fly 4 times a year for business. No ACV stop enroute to SFO anymore but still an EMB-120 with a 2 x daily service by next June. I doubt the CR2 economics would allow continued service to CEC. But it is good news both flights are not tags any longer, I guess. Who knows for sure with UA.

ACV is losing it's direct air service to the State capital, thus forcing SMF traffic to transit SFO, it's still likely shorter than driving, especially given the road from Redding over to Eureka. But by 6/15 UA will have 7 ACV departures a weekday all on the EMB-120, these are the routes where the CR2 will need to fill when the Brazilias are gone.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA SFO-OTH NOV 0.9>0.6

Looks like OO/UA are only flying twice a week (Mo & Fr) SFO-OTH-SFO with the CR2, come 6/15 it goes daily again but then operates only 1 x daily, leaving SFO at 10:40am, not the best timing, still operates on a CR2, this route must mean something to UA, must be NOAA or the port business.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:18 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 BOS-HOU OCT 1.9>1.1 NOV 1.8>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.6>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 JFK-HOU JAN 1.8>1.1 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 1.9>1.0 APR 1.9>1.0

B6 really needs to move the service to IAH. There's a reason that they are the only airline not named SWA serving Houston exclusively from Hobby. Most people in Houston only think SWA operates out of Hobby and all other airlines are at IAH. Plus, UA is much easier to compete against in their hubs than WN (see MDW, BWI, etc).
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:25 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 2):
Is it just me, or has DL quietly trimmed DTW back a bit in recent years? Correct me if I am wrong but it seems like MSP now has more departures than DTW, and a number of DTW markets have been either trimmed or cut in favor of routing pax through ATL. DTW was a very important Asia gateway for NW prior to the merger, and everyone says it still is for DL, yet DL is trying to build up SEA as an Asia gateway and seems to be cutting a bit of the feed into DTW that the DTW hub has relied on for years for its Asia flights.

Yes, DL's expanded seasonal suspensions & reductions to a number of smaller markets from DTW (which had previously seen five weekly frequencies on average); some last for a few weeks (especially around the Christmas/New Year's Holidays) while others last the entire winter. But even with these reductions, overall capacity for the fall & winter remains flat. MSP's also seeing seasonal reductions to smaller stations like ALB, BUF, etc.

DTW's still ahead of MSP in ASM and movements. MSP surpassed DTW for the summer in capacity because DL opted not to move forward with traditional summer expansion from DTW, but that covers less than 9 weeks; DTW's still comfortably ahead the rest of the year. DL's decided to grow ATL, but keep its overall trunk capacity flat... that capacity had to come elsewhere.

ASM between DTW & Asia will actually grow for 2014. Most of the decreased seasonal service has no impact on Asia feed. SEA's role is overstated on here... every day we have predictions for SEA - medium-sized markets like MKE, MSY, RDU (on this thread!), IND, etc. Yet PHX is the furthest east DL has expanded to...
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Sometimes I do ponder what the DL planners are thinking. Later this year DL will operate 60% of the capacity to LAX from MSY that it does from DTW. Including all airlines, MSY will have more capacity than DTW... despite the fact that nearly twice as many people travel between DTW/LAX during this time period - and that's not even factoring in the DL hub in DTW

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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:33 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-MSY FEB 11>13 MAR 11>14 APR 11>14
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 10):
14 flights? Wow. Most ever from DL. Nice to see.

I have just checked the schedules for March 5, Delta is setting a shuttle service between New Orleans and Atlanta actually. All flights will be operated by M88 so MSY will loose its 757s. ATL is already by far the busiest route from Louis Armstrong airport, this will again boost the numbers.

MSY 615 - 839 ATL M88
MSY 715 - 939 ATL M88
MSY 815 - 1039 ATL M88
MSY 915 - 1139 ATL M88
MSY 1015 - 1239 ATL M88
MSY 1115 - 1339 ATL M88
MSY 1215 - 1439 ATL M88
MSY 1315 - 1539 ATL M88
MSY 1415 - 1639 ATL M88
MSY 1515 - 1739 ATL M88
MSY 1615 - 1839 ATL M88
MSY 1715 - 1939 ATL M88
MSY 1815 - 2039 ATL M88
MSY 1915 - 2139 ATL M88

ATL 750 - 824 MSY M88
ATL 850 - 924 MSY M88
ATL 950 - 1024 MSY M88
ATL 1050 - 1124 MSY M88
ATL 1150 - 1224 MSY M88
ATL 1250 - 1324 MSY M88
ATL 1350 - 1424 MSY M88
ATL 1450 - 1524 MSY M88
ATL 1550 - 1624 MSY M88
ATL 1650 - 1724 MSY M88
ATL 1750 - 1824 MSY M88
ATL 1850 - 1924 MSY M88
ATL 2050 - 2124 MSY M88
ATL 2250 - 2324 MSY M88
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:38 pm

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 17):
I have just checked the schedules for March 5, Delta is setting a shuttle service between New Orleans and Atlanta actually. All flights will be operated by M88 so MSY will loose its 757s. ATL is already by far the busiest route from Louis Armstrong airport, this will again boost the numbers.

Chances are you might see a few 757's in the mix by the time February rolls around. The equipment isn't finalized as of yet. But overall, this is a very impressive schedule.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:18 pm

BOS-HOU 0700 departure 1030 arrival
HOU-BOS 1800 departure 2246 arrival

JFK-HOU 1415 departure 1722 arrival
HOU-JFK 1110 departure 1528 arrival

So, the BOS-HOU plane will land in hobby then go back to JFK and the JFK arrival goes back to BOS. JetBlue is defiantly catering to the Boston business pax. Just my 2 cents, I just don't see the viability of the JFK-HOU route, I wouldn't be shock to see that end in favor of the 2 daily BOS-HOU
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:32 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 12):
*DL SLC-RDU NOV 0.8>0.0 DEC 0.7>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0

Hmm.

A lot of people are going to be unhappy about this. This is the second time DL tried the route, and I would have thought it would have performed well with the recent RDU build up.

SEA-RDU would in fact work better, but SLC can easily make connections through bigger hubs at ATL or MSP.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:49 pm

Quoting JetBlueCLT (Reply 19):
So, the BOS-HOU plane will land in hobby then go back to JFK and the JFK arrival goes back to BOS. JetBlue is defiantly catering to the Boston business pax. Just my 2 cents, I just don't see the viability of the JFK-HOU route, I wouldn't be shock to see that end in favor of the 2 daily BOS-HOU

I question both to be honest but JFK-HOU does fine loadwise. BOS-HOU has been an absolute disaster for B6. I'm not sure if they will go back to 2x daily for summer.

Texas will get even worse for B6 once all of the DAL flights start on either WN or VX. Keep your eye on what goes on when BOS-DAL is launched in 2015. BOS-DFW performs better than BOS-HOU at this time.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:57 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 11):
I still find it unfortunate that AA couldn't get the LAX-ACV to work. Like EUG, RDM, etc. - it seems like that market could work with a couple of CRJs to LAX.

AA is still very much interested in ACV, but the community can't get it's act together regarding the travel bank.

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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:12 pm

JFK HOU was proftiable and fine at two daily.

Route planning expanded to BOS and the station went down the tubes.

They are trying a different approach now.

Connect to the JFK intl bank. Bos bankers hours flights.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:25 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 23):
They are trying a different approach now.

Connect to the JFK intl bank.

HOU-JFK-Caribbean is a painfully long detour compared to nonstops from IAH or convenient options via ATL/CLT/MIA. Especially when the competition is doing IAH-LGA, B6 should definitely cater to O&D and not worry about folks heading to PR or DR.

B6 should feel lucky that both WN and VX are busy up the road at Dallas, so they still have time to fix their HOU problems without being bombarded.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:27 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 12):
Hmm.

A lot of people are going to be unhappy about this. This is the second time DL tried the route, and I would have thought it would have performed well with the recent RDU build up.

As an RDU weekly flyer, I was a bit disappointed by this. But to be fair, while I fly on DL most often to the West Coast, I've yet to take an SLC-RDU trip. It's just never worked out for me. I usually connect in LAX or ATL/MSP (depending on where I'm going). I would've been more likely to use it in Winter to go skiing.  
Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 13):
somehow I am not surprised by this. When is DL going to announce RDU-SEA

As much as I would love to see this (SEA is somewhere I go 3-4x/year) I doubt it will happen anytime soon (but I'd love to be wrong). Since SEA is such a long haul and in the corner of the NW U.S., really the only connections that would be useful would be those to Asia...almost all of which can be served quicker via DTW...
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:35 pm

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 25):
As an RDU weekly flyer, I was a bit disappointed by this. But to be fair, while I fly on DL most often to the West Coast, I've yet to take an SLC-RDU trip. It's just never worked out for me. I

I have noticed that through CLT at least, DL charges a premium for connecting through SLC over CVG/DTW/MSP/ATL. It's too bad, because the connections are often quite convenient (like 40 minute layovers).
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:38 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA ACV-CEC DEC 0.9>0.1 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0
*UA ACV-SMF DEC 1.7>0.1 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.7>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 14):
Good news for those people who I know that live in Brookings and fly 4 times a year for business. No ACV stop enroute to SFO anymore but still an EMB-120 with a 2 x daily service by next June. I doubt the CR2 economics would allow continued service to CEC.

CEC is one of only 4 EAS cities in California.

OO recently was re-awarded the service with about $2.45 million/year in EAS subsidy. The proposal was for 14 CEC-SFO nonstops per week, so they are eliminating the CEC-ACV-SMF flights that are not subsidized and dropping to the minimum service bid.
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If OO ever decided CEC-SFO was not feasible at all there is still the possibility that someone else like SeaPort might bid on an EAS contract for CEC.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:51 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
DocLightning is going to love this
What metal is this operating with?

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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:06 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 23):

I shouldn't have assumed JFK-HOU did bad I'm just viewing it as an entire station with BOS included and I was opting more of a business pax view. JFK-HOU must have been doing something right because I remember a year or two ago they had a daily A320. Having 2 flights a day is not pretty especially when the flights to HOU are blocked in for over 4 hours.

I'm just hoping my beloved CLT station can get some more love from blue.   looking forward to our added A320 flight for a few Saturdays in December. Hopefully we have a repeat from RDU where they had a daily A320 on Saturdays for the first few months of the new year.

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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:10 pm

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 16):

Yes, DL's expanded seasonal suspensions & reductions to a number of smaller markets from DTW (which had previously seen five weekly frequencies on average); some last for a few weeks (especially around the Christmas/New Year's Holidays) while others last the entire winter. But even with these reductions, overall capacity for the fall & winter remains flat. MSP's also seeing seasonal reductions to smaller stations like ALB, BUF, etc.

Does this have anything to do with up gauging equipment at DTW?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:13 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Apparently HOU is pretty poor
*B6 BOS-HOU OCT 1.9>1.1 NOV 1.8>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.6>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0
*B6 JFK-HOU JAN 1.8>1.1 FEB 1.9>1.0 MAR 1.9>1.0 APR 1.9>1.0

B6 is competing against two carriers with strong hubs in Houston, and they're doing it at the wrong NYC airport and to a hub with few or no logical connections at BOS. The once-daily BOS-HOU schedule will work for BOS-based business travelers, but it won't connect to anything. JFK-HOU was never strong for B6, and it can only have gotten worse with WN now operating HOU-LGA.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 JFK-BQN JAN 1.8>1.0 FEB 1.6>0.6 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0
B6 JFK-SRQ FEB 1.6>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0

It's a little surprising to see a VFR market like this reduced during the winter/spring travel season in NYC. Ditto for cuts to SRQ during the only worthwhile time for serving the market.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 LGA-PBI NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4
B6 MCO-LGA NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5 APR 4>5

Where are these slots coming from?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:21 pm

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 24):
HOU-JFK-Caribbean is a painfully long detour compared to nonstops from IAH or convenient options via ATL/CLT/MIA. Especially when the competition is doing IAH-LGA, B6 should definitely cater to O&D and not worry about folks heading to PR or DR.

I'm sure the poster meant the Transatlantic/Middle East/Asia on partners and interline partners even though the good yielding traffic goes via IAH and most likely non or 1-stop.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 31):
JFK-HOU was never strong for B6, and it can only have gotten worse with WN now operating HOU-LGA.

Its been over 80% LF all of 2013 so its not that weak either.

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 24):
B6 should feel lucky that both WN and VX are busy up the road at Dallas,

BOS-DAL has been announced as happening. The question is when. Also, WN gets stronger on BOS/LGA-HOU when the international terminal is completed as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if B6 were to only serve AUS within Texas someday.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:28 pm

I was worried about Escanaba with the reduction of 50 seat jets. Being a crew member who flies in there I have to say the ground crew does a fine job there and they take really good care of the crews. Folks will just have to travel 60 miles up the road now to mqt which will probably end up with all crj 900 or 717 service.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:33 pm

Does anyone think Skywest will do eas service Dtw esc?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:40 pm

Quoting dtwpilot225 (Reply 33):
I was worried about Escanaba with the reduction of 50 seat jets. Being a crew member who flies in there I have to say the ground crew does a fine job there and they take really good care of the crews. Folks will just have to travel 60 miles up the road now to mqt which will probably end up with all crj 900 or 717 service.

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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:57 pm

Quoting dtwpilot225 (Reply 34):
Does anyone think Skywest will do eas service Dtw esc?

OO is one of two companies to bid on the EAS contract at ESC, the other is Charter Air Transport. Both proposals call for flights using Brasilias. Both propose 12 weekly nonstops.

Big difference though in requested subsidy. SkyWest wants $3.5 million annually, Charter Air Transport wants only $2.5 million.

Selection of carrier will happen in the next couple of months. But that $1 million dollar difference will probably swing the decision.

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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:04 pm

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 36):
Charter Air Transport wants only $2.5 million.

I didn't realize that CAT was going after EAS routes.... have they ever done this before?
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:14 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-BZE FEB 1.1>1.3 MAR 1.1>1.3

Increasing Sat flying. The BZE yields are very good and everyone is beginning to stake out their territory for eventual B6, AS or WN entry.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:16 pm

Quoting Thomaas (Reply 3):
Is all the UA drawdown at EWR due to runway construction ?

When the cuts came up the first go around, runway construction was the reason relayed. Of course then they put them back in and now they are out again. I don't think they really know how much the construction is going to impact ops yet.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:16 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
LAX to Modesto is next for AA.

I would prefer LAX-SCK. Since SCK is S of town and fairly easy to get to from Modesto.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:27 pm

Quoting JetBlueCLT (Reply 29):
Hopefully we have a repeat from RDU where they had a daily A320 on Saturdays for the first few months of the new year.

Well now JFK-RDU has a daily a320 whereas CLT still has the Embraers. I'm a huge JetBlue fan, but I don't see them doing much more in Charlotte than they are now.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:04 pm

Quoting nkops (Reply 37):
I didn't realize that CAT was going after EAS routes.... have they ever done this before?

They have been bidding on other EAS routes the past few years but I am not sure if they were ever selected for any.

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 40):
I would prefer LAX-SCK. Since SCK is S of town and fairly easy to get to from Modesto.

There still seems to be a big Stockton vs Modesto competition, that has stopped the two cities and two counties from working together before.

But SCK is lining up funding for a multimillion dollar terminal expansion (once again also talking about adding a FIS). That may lead to non-Alleigant service down the road.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:07 pm

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 41):

The JFK-RDU A320 will go back to the E190 very soon. First or second week of September if I remember. I will respectively disagree with you. I do see a little light to the CLT station in terms of capacity or a/c up gauge which is already being seen on a few Saturdays in December which traditionally sees 1 E190 from BOS on Saturdays. With that said, CLT as a jetBlue station has been improving very greatly compared to the 2013 year.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:53 pm

Quoting JetBlueCLT (Reply 43):
With that said, CLT as a jetBlue station has been improving very greatly compared to the 2013 year.

How has the CLT station improved greatly since 2013? Your still running a minimal 2 daily to BOS and 2 daily to JFK which has stayed the same as last year.

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 41):
I'm a huge JetBlue fan, but I don't see them doing much more in Charlotte than they are now.

Maybe they can get FLL back again on B6 but we shall see, thats about all i can possibly see.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:59 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
A couple of those, certainly ROA and ESC and possibly also CRW, were historically Saab cities.

true.. but 3-4 saabs to crw and roa.

Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 13):
Seasonal or is DL just going to serve ATL from ROA?

seasonal
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:12 pm

Quoting JetBlue1058 (Reply 44):

Well if you look at some numbers you will see a positive trend in growth. In terms of ticket prices to BOS & JFK increasing which has increased revenue more. Occupancy rate has increased from about 2-3 percent for the first 5 months of the year compared to last year. Our revenue for passenger miles have increased with higher fares to both respective cities. Don't be surprised to see cheap walk up fares, that generally means the higher premium fares were already purchased in advance time.

FLL would be nice but it's not a ideal thing to add at this time. The difference here is US Airways/American Airlines operates 671 flights a day at CLT. Adding another route from CLT is not good for business, considering JetBlue has there hands full against 8-9 US Airways from BOS which is 1000 plus seats per day. CLT-JFK is a little more relaxed with only 6 US Airways flights. CLT-FLL has 7 flights which contains mostly A321 and A320s.

As nice as it would be to get FLL back, now is probably not the best considering JetBlue is a little thin on planes.
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:30 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL SLC-RDU NOV 0.8>0.0 DEC 0.7>0 FEB 0.8>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0
Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 13):

somehow I am not surprised by this. When is DL going to announce RDU-SEA
Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 20):
SEA-RDU would in fact work better, but SLC can easily make connections through bigger hubs at ATL or MSP.

I'm willing to trade the 1 daily RDU-SLC for a 1 daily SEA AND a 1 daily SAN.. If Delta wanted to capture the West coast traffic, I think they have seen that offering nonstop stimulates growth and fares and thusly would be more apt to push nonstop. There really isn't anywhere special that SLC offers that LAX and SEA wouldn't offer.. plus, the pax count to the sites show that:

LAX = 659 daily pax @ ~$500 (previously ~250 before nonstop flights)
SEA = 263 daily pax @ ~$600 (potentially 550 daily pax with a nonstop)
SAN = 207 daily pax @ ~$575 (potentially 500 daily pax with a nonstop)
SFO = 525 daily pax @ ~$625 (previous ~250 before nonstop flights)
SLC = 159 daily pax @ ~$550 (including nonstop flights)
PDX = 131 daily pax @ ~$600 (potentially 300 daily pax with a nonstop)

I don't see PDX working well but SAN and SEA have LOTS of potential, IMO...

just my opinion, though..
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:38 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 48):
There really isn't anywhere special that SLC offers that LAX and SEA wouldn't offer.. plus, the pax count to the sites show that:
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 48):
LAX = 659 daily pax @ ~$500 (previously ~250 before nonstop flights)
SEA = 263 daily pax @ ~$600 (potentially 550 daily pax with a nonstop)
SAN = 207 daily pax @ ~$575 (potentially 500 daily pax with a nonstop)
SFO = 525 daily pax @ ~$625 (previous ~250 before nonstop flights)
SLC = 159 daily pax @ ~$550 (including nonstop flights)
PDX = 131 daily pax @ ~$600 (potentially 300 daily pax with a nonstop)

Are these O&D numbers?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 8/22/2014: AA/DL/UA

Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:40 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 49):
Are these O&D numbers?

Yes... taken from Faremeasure.. not sure what QTR they are from, but they are only O&D numbers..
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