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Virgin Atlantic's New 787-9's...routes & Bases

Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:49 am

I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts (or facts even) on where VS are going to base their new 787-9's...all to LHR, some to LGW, or maybe MAN...likely routes they are going to be flying and so on...
 
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Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:54 am

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RE: Virgin Atlantic's New 787-9's...routes & Bases

Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:44 am

Why can't more airlines be this useful? Nice to have this info easily available for once  
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's New 787-9's...routes & Bases

Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:59 am

5 restrooms for 264 people?

UA has 7 for 252.

Perhaps the graph is wrong.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's New 787-9's...routes & Bases

Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:10 am

London to Perth direct on the 787 would be a winner.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's New 787-9's...routes & Bases

Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:21 am

Quoting BNE (Reply 4):
London to Perth direct on the 787 would be a winner.

In a price competitive market dominated by Emirates flying A388s over DXB, quantify the volume of customers willing to spend *that* long in an aeroplane and pay more than the ME3 for doing so. I think it would be a loser, which is why no one is actually seriously thinking about offering it. I certainly would not attempt this in anything below business class.
 
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Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:22 am

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 3):
5 restrooms for 264 people?

UA has 7 for 252.

Perhaps the graph is wrong.

It just shows where the toilets are located.

There will be 4 in the forward cabins and 4 in the centre of the economy cabin. The seatmap just doesnt show the split between toilets when there are 2 together like in the centre of economy.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's New 787-9's...routes & Bases

Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:25 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 5):
In a price competitive market dominated by Emirates flying A388s over DXB, quantify the volume of customers willing to spend *that* long in an aeroplane and pay more than the ME3 for doing so. I think it would be a loser, which is why no one is actually seriously thinking about offering it. I certainly would not attempt this in anything below business class.

  

... and there's a whole discussion to be had about the cost of tankering fuel, etc. that likely further underscores the fact that routes that long are likely not viable.
 
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Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:28 am

I've been told they will soon be operating them from Manchester, Glasgow, Belfast etc. as a replacement to the 747s..but we shall see  
 
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Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:06 pm

Quoting opticalilyushin (Reply 8):
I've been told they will soon be operating them from Manchester, Glasgow, Belfast etc. as a replacement to the 747s..but we shall see

As I understand it they are to replace the LHR based 747 fleet only at this point, so you will not see them in the UK outside of LHR.

The B744 leisure fleet out of LGW MAN etc will remain for a moment, A decision has not been reached on their replacement as yet.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's New 787-9's...routes & Bases

Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:39 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 5):
In a price competitive market dominated by Emirates flying A388s over DXB, quantify the volume of customers willing to spend *that* long in an aeroplane and pay more than the ME3 for doing so. I think it would be a loser, which is why no one is actually seriously thinking about offering it. I certainly would not attempt this in anything below business class.

No way I would take another ULH route after experiencing LAX-BKK nonstop with a bad headwind, was virtually crawling up the wall by the time we crossed Taipei - even in biz class
 
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Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:19 pm

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 9):


My understanding also, but it'll be interesting to see what does happen in the end
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's New 787-9's...routes & Bases

Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:12 pm

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 9):
As I understand it they are to replace the LHR based 747 fleet only at this point, so you will not see them in the UK outside of LHR.

Quite a reduction in capacity from 44/62/262 to 31/35/198, 787-9s are more equivalently sized to A343/A333s.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's New 787-9's...routes & Bases

Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:43 pm

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 9):
Quoting opticalilyushin (Reply 8):
I've been told they will soon be operating them from Manchester, Glasgow, Belfast etc. as a replacement to the 747s..but we shall see

As I understand it they are to replace the LHR based 747 fleet only at this point, so you will not see them in the UK outside of LHR.

The B744 leisure fleet out of LGW MAN etc will remain for a moment, A decision has not been reached on their replacement as yet.

It's also worth bearing in mind that the 'leisure' 747 fleet was only refurbished in the last 2/3 years, so it wouldn't represent a good investment if VS were to withdraw them right now. Even if they moved to LHR they would need to be re-configured to increase the amount of UCS seats.

If anything other than 747s were to operate at other UK airports besides LHR between now and withdrawal, I imagine it would be A330s seeing as VS operated them out of MAN and GLA when the 'leisure' 747s were being refurbished, though this was when the 3 they had at the time only had Y and PE.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's New 787-9's...routes & Bases

Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:55 pm

Quoting BNE (Reply 4):
London to Perth direct on the 787 would be a winner.

There will need to be a ULH version for this to happen . The 777-8X is the only aircraft on the horizon that has the capability.
 
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Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:58 am

Darn... I was hoping we might see these 787's here in LAS in the near future. I would think the 787 would be a good aircraft to put on their UK-LAS routes for BA and Virgin during the winter/slower months.

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RE: Virgin Atlantic's New 787-9's...routes & Bases

Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:39 am

Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 13):

Alternatively, VS could still move some LGW 744s to LHR and still offer the same type of flight and destination/s as LGW, eg LHR/MCO or LAS, or some Caribbean; didn't BA at least used to have up to 2 flights per day on some days to LAS, one from LGW (BA2277?) and one from LHR (BA275?)
 
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Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:21 pm

Quoting DarrellNichols (Reply 16):
Alternatively, VS could still move some LGW 744s to LHR and still offer the same type of flight and destination/s as LGW, eg LHR/MCO or LAS, or some Caribbean

VS do not have the LHR slots to do this.

As the LAS/MCO routes are primarily leisure orientated they do well out of LGW, so there would not be many reasons for such a move.
 
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Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:39 pm

Any chance these 787's could mean EDI-LAS expansion for VS, or perhaps a GLA-LAS frequency increase?

I think it'd be really nice to have an easier way to get to EDI or GLA from the west coast USA, thanks to ties with VX. It'd also be nice to see those airports get more USA routes overall... I'd love to see partnerships with DL or VX come of that, and the 789s seem a much more reasonable capacity than the 744's. Though I suppose if they didn't do it with the 333's they wouldn't with the 789's either.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's New 787-9's...routes & Bases

Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:26 pm

I wish BA and VS would deploy their 787 to SFO, rather than the old tired 744. BA should at least have one A380 to SFO.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's New 787-9's...routes & Bases

Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:30 pm

Hopefully they'll put the 789 on LHR-YVR, replacing the A330?
 
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Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:05 am

Quoting kamboi (Reply 19):
Hopefully they'll put the 789 on LHR-YVR, replacing the A330?

The A340-300 is currently scheduled for the bulk of YVR flying. In 2015 it is scheduled to be the A330.

Quoting kamboi (Reply 19):
I wish BA and VS would deploy their 787 to SFO, rather than the old tired 744. BA should at least have one A380 to SFO.

I guess once the 747 start leaving the fleet next year it is very likely SO will see the 787
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's New 787-9's...routes & Bases

Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:10 am

Quoting S75752 (Reply 18):

If VX gets 787s to configure in the LGW/MAN-leisure configuration to replace the 747s, which would be down the road a bit, then we might see some new adds is the market is viable. I think the 787 could open the door for a few new routes for VX.
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Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:01 am

Quoting anstar (Reply 21):
I guess once the 747 start leaving the fleet next year it is very likely SO will see the 787

Any news on the VS 340/744 retirement? I haven't heard them mentioned amongst carriers retiring them.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's New 787-9's...routes & Bases

Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:50 am

Will happen next year onwards as the 789 fleet builds up. NRT looks like being the first non-east coast US route to get the 789.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic's New 787-9's...routes & Bases

Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:34 am

Wow Cathay starts up and Virgin plans on sending it's 789! I picked a good time to move to Boston haha

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