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FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:02 am

No one was hurt.

http://imgur.com/a/faJ8X

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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:17 am

Ohhh It is going to be toughest job hard to remove aircraft under hanger. It's impossible crane up against hanger clearance. Aircraft would be not able to repair. It looks like serious damaged and written off. Fed Ex is unhappy that day.

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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:22 am

That is what we call an "incident" airplane

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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:28 am

Maybe next Thursday's Boeing O&D update will show a single 767-300F order for FedEx.   
 
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:41 am

Think it's a write off?
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:00 am

Quoting Q (Reply 1):
Ohhh It is going to be toughest job hard to remove aircraft under hanger.

Air Bags to get dolleys under it. If they want to fixit, put shoring cradles under it. Probably not worth the effort.
 
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:06 am

Quoting Q (Reply 1):
It's impossible crane up against hanger clearance. Aircraft would be not able to repair. It looks like serious damaged and written off

I suspect they should be able to lift it from the original points or with bags to get the gear back down.

Makes you wonder exactly what happened to bump the aircraft off the jacks. It looks like they were in the process of a gear swing.

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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:12 am

Quoting okie (Reply 6):
Makes you wonder exactly what happened to bump the aircraft off the jacks. It looks like they were in the process of a gear swing.

The first thing that comes to mind is either weakened jacking points (damaged by being previously jacked incorrectly or perhaps corrosion) or using the wrong jack adapter for the aircraft. I hope the mechanics working that day were borrowing their uniforms from UPS.   
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:17 am

Minor damage to the Fetzer valve. It's all ball bearings these days.
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:19 am

Next trade-a-plane. Airbus 300 for sale FedEx colors really cheap  
 
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:22 am

It does look like a lot of damage. I suppose it depends on how old and worn the plane is whether or not it will be repaired. But if the structure was not bent I think it can be fixed.
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:26 am

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 8):
Minor damage to the Fetzer valve. It's all ball bearings these days.

Yep, makes the run to Provo every weekend.

I hope the damage is not as bad as it looks.

[Edited 2014-08-22 18:26:57]
 
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:47 am

Ouch, looks bad!

Speculating that the wing rear spars are okay, only secondary structures damaged, the tail cone puncture might also be fixable unless the rear pressure bulkhead has been deformed/damaged. Engines removed means structure was light and with heavy gear and flaps flailing about, perhaps they just 'shook her off' the jacks!

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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:21 am

Given the age of the plane its prob a w/o ,especially if the rear bulkhead is screwed.. thats alot of work
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:46 am

This happened over a month ago, so I would think some info on what is happening to the aircraft should be out there. My bet, being an old converter A300 or A310 it is going to be a write off.
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:48 am

Ouch, that hurt ! That hurt the plane and whoever was responsible for overseeing the placing of the jack.
 
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:08 am

Quoting PITrules (Thread starter):

At the bottom of that link it says the photos were posted a month ago.

Quoting Q (Reply 1):

There are additional fuselage jacking points at frame 17 & 76, these screw onto the fuselage. You can take hanger roof panels off, use a gantry crane, air bags etc.
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:22 am

Engines off and cowls taped up, putouts tapesd, looking rather scruffy... My guess is this is a retired A310 at Victorville, being prepped for storage or part out...
 
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:10 am

while getting it back on its legs is easy, with a hole through the fuel cell and patched wing skins could be used, the repair may exceed the value.. however I believe the jack is salvageable..

not familiar with Airbus jacking points but is that one behind the jack in the next to last picture or an access panel?
 
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:20 am

Quoting jetjeanes (Reply 13):
Given the age of the plane its prob a w/o ,especially if the rear bulkhead is screwed.. thats alot of work

If it's a 310, most likely. The A300s are some of the newest trunk aircraft in the fleet.
 
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:29 am

Doing a photo search, looks like the 310s have patched over wing emergency exits like the incident aircraft. The 300s don't by and large. I'd wager it was a 310.
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:38 am

Every scenario I imagine for lifting this thing keeps sounding like something from "Raise The Titanic".
 
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:46 am

Quoting FLDude (Reply 11):
I hope the damage is not as bad as it looks.

On an aircraft that age, any damage is bad damage. Her career is done.
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 5:10 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 22):
On an aircraft that age, any damage is bad damage. Her career is done.

Write off written all over the damaged wings.... sad mishap.

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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 5:19 am

Oooh man I cringed while looking at that. Probably one of the most painful looking things I've ever seen, and Aircraft don't even bleed... aside from fuel.
 
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 5:30 am

The fact that two of the main jacking points are aft of the engines on the rear spar and are closed up makes me think it wasn't jacked. Looks like the right gear collapsed dropping the aircraft onto the jack sitting under the wing. The fwd and aft jacks may have been carrying load or may not have but also obviously got "relocated" once the fall began.

Using the gear handle to function check certain items gone wrong is my guess.
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 5:38 am

I'm willing to bet that this incident made a hell of a lot of noise!
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:20 am

Looks like one for Joe Patroni...

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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:39 am

Do we know where this happened?.

Also the side loads on the undercarriage in image 6 look bad.
 
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:43 am

They were lucky if no one was killed.
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:40 am

Its an A310, but which one? Strange no registration is visible.
And as its a A310 its a write-off no doubt. This type is being phased out by Fedex with most already stored or scrapped. Almost all that remain are older than 25 years.
 
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:01 am

Quoting na (Reply 30):
Strange no registration is visible.

Because angles of pictures don't allow to see the purple part below tail where rego is.

Quoting na (Reply 30):
This type is being phased out by Fedex with most already stored

This one was either already or about to be stored since it has no engines and protective foils everywhere.
 
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:33 am

I have no first/second hand info, however my theory based on the photo's is a gear removal gone wrong. First, the ram extension of the jacks makes it pretty clear to me it was jacked. Second, take a look at picture six and nine, the pallets on the floor appear to have gear parts such as side struts and down lock over center linkage. Also both gear side struts appear to be missing from the plane. I think what ultimately caused the plane to come off the jacks has something to do with that telescopic forklift behind the right main gear.
 
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:57 am

Considering that it has no engines and it looks like the gear is being disassembled it may have been retired already, and is being dismantled for parts.
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:20 pm

Quoting garpd (Reply 4):
Think it's a write off?

If the rear spar is damaged at the jack points, even with a new plane, it will be too expensive to repair. It also looks as if the pylons got damaged as well, from the plane sitting on the #2 reverser. The area around the nose jackpoint and the tail jack point (re-inforced frames) also got damaged.

They are luvky nobody got hurt or killed.

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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:31 pm

We saw these pics over a month ago at work. Our speculation was it was in for a paint visit and the engines were removed for other work. It is common on widebodies to jack the aircraft, retract the gear and then lower the aircraft back down to spray. You can then spray with all the doors closed and the belly can be done while standing on the ground. We think they did not have the aircraft high enough when they retracted the gear. The right main hit the ground as it was going up and kicked the aircraft off the jacks. Damage looks pretty bad for this old of an airframe. I doubt it was repaired.

Some here have speculated it was being scrapped and the gear removal went wrong. I doubt that. Most gear are removed from scrapped aircraft outside. Once you remove the gear the next step is cutting it up which usually involves excavators to load the scrap. Tough to do inside.
 
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:17 pm

Quoting PITrules (Thread starter):
That will buff right out.

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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:26 pm

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 35):
We saw these pics over a month ago at work. Our speculation was it was in for a paint visit and the engines were removed for other work. It is common on widebodies to jack the aircraft, retract the gear and then lower the aircraft back down to spray. You can then spray with all the doors closed and the belly can be done while standing on the ground. We think they did not have the aircraft high enough when they retracted the gear. The right main hit the ground as it was going up and kicked the aircraft off the jacks. Damage looks pretty bad for this old of an airframe. I doubt it was repaired.

Do aircraft mx manuals come with a specified aircraft height for a gear swing or is that something individual airlines' mx departments come up with?
 
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:34 pm

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 38):
Do aircraft mx manuals come with a specified aircraft height for a gear swing or is that something individual airlines' mx departments come up with?

Normally when we jack aircraft, we jack them to a position that puts the main landing gear tires about two inches off the ground. However, if the gear was retracted, it would be hard to determine that height without the tires out there! Surely there's a maintenance manual that specifies the height to jack with gear retracted.... right?
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:42 pm

Where and when did this happen?
 
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 5:25 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 31):
This one was either already or about to be stored since it has no engines and protective foils everywhere.

Picture 4 also shows the upper leading edge of the vertical stabilizer missing. I know it is some sort of antenna that has been removed, just can't remember which one. I think it is the SATCOM or HF antenna. In any case I doubt that would be removed during the painting process.   
 
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 5:43 pm

Quoting twincessna340a (Reply 40):
Picture 4 also shows the upper leading edge of the vertical stabilizer missing.

The second to last picture shows a lot of missing paint, did this bird have a tailscrape? Pretty talented to do that on an A310.

The final picture shows the wing/body fairing taped up pretty sloppily if it were in for paint. My wild guess was swapping the gear for timed out ones before towing her outside to have more parts removed.

Fedex has been retiring a number of 310s lately, including one that was ferried to VCV at low altitude (N428FE) FedEx Low Altitude Retirement Flight? (by Spacepope Dec 30 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:27 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 39):
Where and when did this happen?
Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 37):

Do aircraft mx manuals come with a specified aircraft height for a gear swing or is that something individual airlines' mx departments come up with?

The hangar appears to be one in Victorville.
AMM and airline procedures typically tell you to raise the airplane high enough for the intended work. Gear swing - typically 2 or 3 inches.
A good rule of thumb is to place a chock underneath the wheel.
Often due to sloped floors, it takes some adjustment - as you have to keep the plane level and maintain the desired distance underneath the wheel.
So - even though the airplane is level there is more air under one wheel then the other.
 
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:14 pm

http://forums.jetcareers.com/threads...t-a-little-jacked-up.203568/page-2
"Ok so, apparently, it wasn't high enough to do a gear swing. The mains pushed the airplane up off the jack and shifted it as the gear started to go up."
 
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:21 pm

Fortunate that it was an old A310, still cringe-worthy though.
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:36 pm

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 38):
Normally when we jack aircraft, we jack them to a position that puts the main landing gear tires about two inches off the ground. However, if the gear was retracted, it would be hard to determine that height without the tires out there! Surely there's a maintenance manual that specifies the height to jack with gear retracted.... right?

Question: how would be you be jacking a plane with the gear retracted? Surely the gear would have to be extended before you jacked it up, right? Otherwise, how would you get it into the hangar?
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:59 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 45):
Otherwise, how would you get it into the hangar?

You levitate it in, of course.
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:08 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 22):
On an aircraft that age, any damage is bad damage. Her career is done.

It would be interesting to know if was having useable parts being removed before scrapping or in for a painting.
Either case I suspect there will be some insurance involvement by the contractor doing the work.

Looks like an unceremonious trip to the canning line at Pabst.

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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:52 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 45):
Otherwise, how would you get it into the hangar?

It's a plane, you fly it into the hangar.
 
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RE: FedEx Airbus Falls Off The Jacks

Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:25 pm

The A310 in question is N411FE that was retired. It is a gear removal gone wrong, Southern California Aviation was harvesting the landing gear.

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