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New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:30 am

Well "146" was getting a bit long so lets start a new one for everyone - New Zealand Thread 146 can be located here -
New Zealand Aviation Thread 146 (by EK413 Jul 15 2014 in Civil Aviation)

Many thanks.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:34 am

It looks like it is going to be a good week with numbers - expect NZ yearly profit to be around 300-330 Million NZ$ WOW! but first ..


"Auckland Airport profits soar 21pc"

Auckland International Airport, the country's main gateway, reported an 11 per cent gain in full-year underlying earnings, broadly in line with guidance it gave in the first half, as aeronautical charges led a gain in revenue that outpaced growth in expenses.

Underlying profit, which strips out changes to investment and derivative valuations, was $169.9 million in the 12 months ended June 30, from $153.8 million a year earlier, the Auckland-based company said in a statement. Sales rose 6.1 per cent to $475.8 million while expenses gained 2.6 per cent to $120.6 million. Net profit jumped 21 per cent to $215.9 million.

The airport company forecast underlying profit for the 2015 year of $160 million to $170 million, suggesting it expects no earnings growth on that measure in the coming year. But the company said its preferred measure was earnings per share, which would be between 2 per cent and 9 per cent up in the year, after the company returned $454 million of capital and cancelled 10 per cent of its stock.

In the latest year, airfield income rose 7.4 per cent to $87.6 million while passenger services charge revenue rose 9.4 per cent to $131.6 million.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11312056
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:39 am

First refitted 777-200 (ZK-OKA) schedule for the next 2 weeks as follows:

27/08/14 ~ AKL-PER ~ NZ175
27/08/14 ~ PER-AKL ~ NZ176
28/08/14 ~ AKL-RAR ~ NZ46
27/08/14 ~ RAR-AKL ~ NZ45
28/08/14 ~ AKL-HKG ~ NZ87
29/08/14 ~ HKG-AKL ~ NZ80
30/08/14 ~ AKL-BNE ~ NZ135 ? (Unconfirmed)
30/08/14 ~ BNE-AKL ~ NZ136 ? (Unconfirmed)
31/08/14 ~ AKL-MEL ~ NZ123
31/08/14 ~ MEL-AKL ~ NZ124
31/08/14 ~ AKL-PVG ~ NZ289
01/09/14 ~ PVG-AKL ~ NZ288
02/09/14 ~ Unknown/NA
02/09/14 ~ Unknown/NA
02/09/14 ~ AKL-HKG ~ NZ87
03/09/14 ~ HKG-AKL ~ NZ80
04/09/14 ~ AKL-PER ~ NZ175
04/09/14 ~ PER-AKL ~ NZ176
05/09/14 ~ AKL-APW ~ NZ292
05/09/14 ~ APW-AKL ~ NZ297
05/09/14 ~ AKL-HKG ~ NZ87
06/09/14 ~ HKG-AKL ~ NZ80
07/09/14 ~ AKL-SYD ~ NZ119
07/09/14 ~ SYD-AKL ~ NZ118
07/09/14 ~ AKL-HKG ~ NZ87
08/09/14 ~ HKG-AKL ~ NZ80
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:24 am

Any cabin pics of the refit?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:54 am

NZ is operating 2x daily AKL-SYD on August 30th Air New Zealand Plans 2x Daily 787-9 To SYD (by Miami Aug 25 2014 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:30 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 2):
First refitted 777-200 (ZK-OKA)

Are there any seat maps available for the refitted 777-200ER yet?
 
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Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:12 pm

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 2):
05/09/14 ~ AKL-APW ~ NZ292
05/09/14 ~ APW-AKL ~ NZ297

Is a Triple-7 on regular rotate to APW or is this just a one-off? Is there just particularly heavy bookings for Samoa over September?
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Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:55 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 6):
Is a Triple-7 on regular rotate to APW or is this just a one-off? Is there just particularly heavy bookings for Samoa over September?

Not weekly but not uncommon either. In this case, there is a big conference in Samoa early Sep though.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:04 am

"Air New Zealand's profit up 45 percent"

WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) New Zealand's national airline on Wednesday posted a 45 percent increase in profit on slightly higher revenues.

Air New Zealand announced an after-tax profit of 262 million New Zealand dollars ($218 million) for the year ending June. Revenue was up 1 percent to NZ$4.7 billion.

Chairman Tony Carter said in a statement it was the carrier's third straight year of strong earnings growth. He said the carrier's new aircraft were able to operate more profitably and it had formed good alliances with other airlines.

He said the company's capacity will grow significantly in the coming year as new airplanes arrive.

So we finally get to see some new routes then? or old ones being re-opened?!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11314991
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:06 am

"Key talks to Air NZ about pricy fares"

Prime Minister John Key says he has spoken to Air New Zealand about its expensive regional airfares after the government-controlled carrier's profits rose for a third year in a row.

Mr Key applauded the national carrier's huge growth over the last year, but said he had also directly raised the issue of expensive regional flights with chief executive Christopher Luxon.

"I've made it clear that I think Air New Zealand needs to continue the work it's doing while making sure that it reduces prices to the regions if it can.

"Because in the end we always know they're likely to have a more monopoly-type position in those areas. And they've got to make sure that they continue to deliver fair pricing to the regions."

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:10 am

"Air New Zealand bullish on trans-Tasman growth"

Air New Zealand will increase trans-Tasman flights to match recent announcements by Qantas as the airlines continue to slug it out across the pond.

Following this morning's record profit earnings, AirNZ CEO Chris Luxon said that the trans-Tasman alliance between the Kiwi carrier and Virgin Australia "is doing incredibly well, we have about a 52% market share... we’re certainly holding our own and being very competitive across the Tasman."

But with Qantas increasing seasonal flights to New Zealand, Luxon said that "we do have capacity increases planned in the coming years."

Could this just be increase or open new ports in OZ?

http://www.ausbt.com.au/air-new-zealand-bullish-on-trans-tasman-growth
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Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:56 am

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 7):

Thank you. Yes I'd forgotten about the UN's Small Island Developing States conference in early September. Polynesian Airlines has just completed a VIP lounge at Fagali'i airport in Apia city to cope with the delegates arriving from the U.S. and further afield via American Samoa.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:34 am

This was in today's issue of Travel Today Australia:

Quote:
MU to Auckland?

CHINA Eastern Airlines is the subject of strong rumours across the Tasman, with speculation the carrier is set to imminently announce direct flights from Shanghai to Auckland, according to Tabs on Travel Today.

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Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:44 pm

"NZ Airports calls for Commerce Commission action to ensure fair prices on monopoly routes"

New Zealand Airports Association (NZ Airports) has welcomed Air New Zealand’s commercial success, but says regions are right to question whether provincial routes are generating excessive profits.

Association chief executive Kevin Ward said the situation could be resolved by the Commerce Commission introducing an information disclosure regime for regional airlines with monopolies on routes.

“News of a third consecutive rise in Air New Zealand profits shows our national airline is consistently successful, which is good for New Zealand,” said Mr Ward.

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Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:58 pm

I wonder if we will see EK start a AKL-DXB non-stop with a 77L. There will come a time when they will have a couple surplus as they add more 77W's and 575t A380's . The sector time will be ~ 17hrs westbound which will give them pretty close to max volume limited payload. A competitive bid against NZ/SQ for the AKL/SIN/ and further west business.
 
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Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:46 am

Quoting QF175 (Reply 12):
MU to Auckland?

CHINA Eastern Airlines is the subject of strong rumours across the Tasman, with speculation the carrier is set to imminently announce direct flights from Shanghai to Auckland, according to Tabs on Travel Today.

  
Wouldn't be surprised. It's been rumoured before. AKL is overdue for another Chinese carrier In my opinion.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Thu Aug 28, 2014 5:10 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 13):

I'm still not convinced that fares are that high, all things considered.

When I fly domestically in New Zealand I often pay around $250 for a one way flexi ticket into or out of Gisborne. Sometimes this is booked far in advance and sometimes less than a week out. For interests sake last night I checked prices for Monday from Auckland to Gisborne and all 4 flights were around $250 for flexi plus.

Now of course it could be argued that Air NZ have been adjusting pricing given the recent media scrutiny but my experience in the last 6 years of travelling back to NZ do not mesh with the current media hype.

Out of curiosity I've gone through some old tickets in my email:

> 25/03/10 onwards booked on 8/03/10 AKL-ZQN-CHC-WLG-GIS $491 (Smart Saver inc. Travel Insurance)
> 22/10/10 booked on 14/09/10 AKL-GIS $287 (Flexi Plus)
> 2/11/10 booked on 31/10/10 GIS-AKL $228 (Flexi Plus)
> 1/06/11 booked on 28/05/11 AKL-GIS $170 (Smart Saver inc. Travel Insurance)
> 29/06/11 booked on 21/06/11 GIS-AKL $139 (grabaseat inc. Travel Insurance)
> 16/12/11 booked on 9/12/11 AKL-GIS $276 (Flexi Plus inc. Travel Insurance)
> 28/12/11 booked on 18/12/11 GIS-AKL $241 (Flexi Plus inc. Travel Insurance)
> 7/06/12 booked 24/05/12 AKL-GIS $238 (Flexi Plus)
> 19/06/12 booked 1/06/12 GIS-AKL $165 (Smart Saver)
> 26/07/12 booked 18/07/12 AKL-GIS $238 (Flexi Plus)
> 8/08/12 booked 26/07/12 GIS-AKL $234 (Flexi Plus)
> 29/12/12 onwards booked 12/11/12 AKL-GIS-WLG-GIS-AKL-ZQN-AKL $1064 (mixed grabaseat to Flexi Plus)

So I don't think regional fares are out of line. What is out line are New Zealand's (the country as a whole) woeful salaries and Air New Zealand could go some way to addressing this vis-à-vis regional pilot salaries.
 
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Thu Aug 28, 2014 5:31 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 14):

I wonder if we will see EK start a AKL-DXB non-stop with a 77L

17 hours in 3-4-3 economy or 2-3-2 business cabins. Struth! At least if you got stuck with an NZ 772 in 3-4-3 to SIN you only have to wait 10 hours for a more comfortable arrangement.
 
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Thu Aug 28, 2014 5:52 am

The New Zealand domestic market is deregulated.

The only reason NZ has a "monopoly" on regional traffic is that no other airline chooses to operate those routes ( as opposed to a genuine monopoly where no other carrier would be permitted to fly those routes).

If another airline believed that NZ was really making disproportionate profits on regional routes surely they would have taken the opportunity to grab a slice of the pie for themselves.

The fact that no one has taken up the opportunity to do so suggests that they don't consider that those markets could be served and generate a sufficient return on investment to make it worth their while.

Most regional routes do not have economy of scale. If it costs more per seat/km to operate those routes then it is not surprising that the average fare per seat/km needs to be higher than on mainline services. If NZ are put in a position where they are artificially constrained from setting fare levels that deliver sufficient return on investment then some provincial towns may just find that they lose service altogether. Be careful what you wish for.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:08 am

Quoting SelandiaBaru (Reply 16):
So I don't think regional fares are out of line.

I have trouble getting to HLZ for less than $340 return. And that is booking months in advance. Same for IVC.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:21 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 18):
The only reason NZ has a "monopoly" on regional traffic is that no other airline chooses to operate those routes ( as opposed to a genuine monopoly where no other carrier would be permitted to fly those routes).

NZ has in the past been very aggressive, some would say too aggressive at attempting to eliminate the competition. I don't think it can be held against NZ but with their dominant position in a small market it would require an exceptionally well funded and backed organisation to be able to compete. For all intents and purposes on regional routes it is a monopoly. However, my contention is that I don't see price gouging going on.

Quoting texan (Reply 19):
I have trouble getting to HLZ for less than $340 return. And that is booking months in advance. Same for IVC.

HLZ and IVC from/to where? $340 return if it's on the B1900D doesn't seem outrageous.
 
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Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:33 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 18):
If another airline believed that NZ was really making disproportionate profits on regional routes surely they would have taken the opportunity to grab a slice of the pie for themselves.

That is 100% correct. The problem with regional populations is that they believe they also deserve main trunk style fares and can't think what the true costs are. Its clearly obvious by reading all the comments in the comments section. Another obvious thing is when someone who knows something about aviation posts a reply then all the regional populations with no knowledge/believe in cheap fares for them also hit the thumbs down logo
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Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:57 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 18):
The New Zealand domestic market is deregulated.

I guess we will see how Vincent Aviation goes when they start the Saab 340 service MRO-AKL 5 days per week.
Will be interesting to see if they can make it work when Air NZ couldn't.
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Thu Aug 28, 2014 10:40 am

Local hero for Central New Zealand Soundsair is doing very well now, servicing WLG, Whanganui, Nelson, Blenheim and Picton. Fares are cheaper than NZ on same routes and on short legs the Caravans aren't too much less comfortable than the B1900's. Tomorrow they're booked out so am paying $180 on NZ from WLG to Blenheim.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Fri Aug 29, 2014 5:03 pm

Hello everyone,

I tried doing a search but couldn't find what I was looking for but does anyone know if the final flight on ANZ B744 is still scheduled to be NZ8/7 AKL-SFO-AKL run on the 10th of September? Wanted to make sure I got out there and captured a picture of her arrival into SFO.

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Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:08 am

Quoting stealth777 (Reply 24):
Hello everyone,

I tried doing a search but couldn't find what I was looking for but does anyone know if the final flight on ANZ B744 is still scheduled to be NZ8/7 AKL-SFO-AKL run on the 10th of September? Wanted to make sure I got out there and captured a picture of her arrival into SFO.

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Just looked up on the NZ website, and both are currently B744. NZ1 might have inside knowledge about the reliability of that information...

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:09 am

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 25):

At the moment, the flights you quoted are correct. NZ8 leaving AKL on 10th Sep and NZ7 arriving AKL on 12th Sep are the last scheduled flights for ZK-NBV. A sad day for all us 747 lovers, but the end of an era.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:31 pm

In another thread, it was mentioned that Air New Zealand has licensed the Skycouch to Brazil's Azul with installation taking place early next year. I believe this is the second airline they've licensed the Skycouch to, the first being China Airlines.

Historical question: Why did Air New Zealand never take delivery of ZK-OJJ?

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 14):
I wonder if we will see EK start a AKL-DXB non-stop with a 77L.

IMO we would see DXB-PER-AKL-PER-DXB first. But it was mentioned somewhere that EK had already maxed out their bilateral with New Zealand, so probably unlikely.
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:01 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 27):
But it was mentioned somewhere that EK had already maxed out their bilateral with New Zealand, so probably unlikely

But they could reduce the present frequency to make room for it ?
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:37 pm

^re: DXB-AKL non-stop - hypothetically they could start it anytime they wanted, in my understanding. What is maxed out is their trans Tasman fifth freedom flights ( which I believe are limited by Australia, not New Zealand). A nonstop service would not require additional fifth freedom rights. Having said that, I would be astounded if they decided it was worthwhile. It would be a very long fuel hungry service and I doubt whether the yields out of AKL would warrant it.
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:15 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 27):

ZK-OJJ was considered surplus to the Airline's requirements at the time so was sold to SAAD in the Middle East. It became a corporate hack.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:23 pm

Casually looking at Flightaware just now, noticed an AKL - DUD flight. After doing some 'racetracks', it seems NZ671 is diverting to CHC. Wonder what's up at DUD?
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:43 pm

Quoting HLZCPH (Reply 31):

At a guess given the high pressure system over the country with no winds, I'd say Fog
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:22 am

Quoting ZK-NBT from the previous thread

AKL-LAX was only 9-10 weekly when they ran the daylight LAX-AKL which was 1999/00 for a year maybe 18 months. They first went double daily AKL-LAX in October 2002, SYD-LAX was dropped in April 2003 and AKL increased to 17pw then 19pw in NW 03/04. AKL-SFO started in June 2004 at 3pw and CHC-LAX in November 2004 3pw with AKL-LAX 14pw, so 20 744s weekly NZ-US. Plus 2-3 weekly 763s AKL-HNL.

Compared to NS 2014.

LAX 14pw 77W
SFO 7pw 3x 744, 2x 77W, 2x 772
HNL 4-5pw 763
YVR 3-5pw 772

So up to 31 weekly services AKL-US today compared to 22-23 10 years ago. QF still had a daily 744 in 2004 AKL-LAX, nothing now.

I think thats it.


Cheers. Was QF more than daily at some stage on this route?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:08 am

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 33):
Was QF more than daily at some stage on this route?

I don't recall it ever being more than daily. Just QF25/26.

I'm still waiting for someone like AA or UA to start services to AKL.... Give NZ some competition and give us more options!
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Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:15 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 34):
I don't recall it ever being more than daily. Just QF25/26.

QF did announce at one stage (years ago) that they were planning to commence AKL-DFW in addition to AKL-LAX, but nothing came of that.
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Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:45 am

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 33):
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 34):

QF had a second service QF155/156 between 2-5 weekly with 744s after UA dropped AKL it lasted about a year when they decided to add BNE-LAX and increase MEL-LAX at the time.
 
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Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 28):
Quoting zkojq (Reply 27): But it was mentioned somewhere that EK had already maxed out their bilateral with New Zealand, so probably unlikelyBut they could reduce the present frequency to make room for it ?

If EK reduce one of their flights to AKL then it will affect the EK/QF partnership here, so QF would have to replace the frequency. Since Jetconnect are loosing a B738 then QF would have to replace the lost capacity with a VH registered aircraft. Maybe re-introduce an Aussie-AKL-USA service?

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 14):
will see EK start a AKL-DXB non-stop with a 77L

Would love to see maybe a EK or QF USA service from AKL but then........... continues below.........

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 34):
I'm still waiting for someone like AA or UA to start services to AKL.... Give NZ some competition and give us more options!

I've heard rumors via a friend in the USA that AA is looking at AKL with 777/787s. He flies for UA but has heard it via some friends at AA. Apparently the rumour has been getting stronger for the last few months, especially now that QF executives have expressed an interest in AA operating the route and that AA is interested in expanding their Pacific routes from LAX. QF/JQ/EK codeshare/JV maybe?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:31 am

Does anyone know who I would contact in regards to the AKL lookout point on Puhinui Road? The council, or is it on airport land?
 
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Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:42 am

Quoting Candace (Reply 38):


Does anyone know who I would contact in regards to the AKL lookout point on Puhinui Road? The council, or is it on airport land?


Pretty sure it's AKL airport land.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:44 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 27):
IMO we would see DXB-PER-AKL-PER-DXB first. But it was mentioned somewhere that EK had already maxed out their bilateral with New Zealand, so probably unlikely

New Zealand and UAE are both MALIAT signatories, so there is no restriction on EK (or EY) flying to New Zealand. The hold-up is at the Australian end as EK are fully utilising the four daily beyond rights in the Australia-UAE bilateral. The bilateral was amended last year, giving the UAE carriers more capacity to Australia, but there was no-change to the beyond rights.

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I've heard rumors via a friend in the USA that AA is looking at AKL with 777/787s. He flies for UA but has heard it via some friends at AA. Apparently the rumour has been getting stronger for the last few months, especially now that QF executives have expressed an interest in AA operating the route and that AA is interested in expanding their Pacific routes from LAX. QF/JQ/EK codeshare/JV maybe?

I've heard the same rumours, from a generally reliable source. The route will be operated within the existing QF/AA JBA, but I doubt that EK would be allowed to codeshare on the route (nor that AA would appreciate that outcome).
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:18 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 39):
Quoting Candace (Reply 38):


Does anyone know who I would contact in regards to the AKL lookout point on Puhinui Road? The council, or is it on airport land?


Pretty sure it's AKL airport land.

Auckland International Airport land, but you will see Auckland City Council vehicles/staff emptying rubbish bins etc under contract.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:36 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 40):
New Zealand and UAE are both MALIAT signatories, so there is no restriction on EK (or EY) flying to New Zealand.

I did not know that the UAE had become a signatory to MALIAT. It doesn't appear on the website.

http://www.maliat.govt.nz

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:53 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 42):
I did not know that the UAE had become a signatory to MALIAT

You're absolutely right, my apologies. Nonetheless from my understanding there are no capacity restrictions in the New Zealand-UAE bilateral. Is that correct?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:03 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 43):
You're absolutely right, my apologies. Nonetheless from my understanding there are no capacity restrictions in the New Zealand-UAE bilateral. Is that correct?

That's my understanding, but that's gleaned second hand and I can't carve it in stone.

There is a poster here from time to time who is much more familiar with the various aviation agreements, maybe he'll chime in.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:13 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 44):

There is a poster here from time to time who is much more familiar with the various aviation agreements, maybe he'll chime in.

John Macilree's been a bit quiet lately. Perhaps he's not allowed to talk about about work.

http://nz.linkedin.com/in/macilree

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:35 am

LAN will soon change its schedule on the SCL-AKL sector of LA801. On certain days later this month the flight will arrive at AKL at 02:50! Is there a time change in New Zealand during September?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:57 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 45):
John Macilree's been a bit quiet lately. Perhaps he's not allowed to talk about about work.

I don't want to put words in Johns mouth, but my understanding is that he is no longer working on Air Services at the Ministry of Transport.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:59 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 46):
On certain days later this month the flight will arrive at AKL at 02:50! Is there a time change in New Zealand during September?

On 26th 27th September AKL arrivals only. AKL-SYD and SYD-AKL-SCL schedules look to stay the same. Only time change is NZ Day Light Saving starts on Sunday 28th, but this seems to be unrelated. The flight leaves SCL at 2240 rather than 2355 from the 24th though arrives AKL 26th, maybe a mistake? Since it arrives 2 days later it should change ex SCL from the 26th.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 147

Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:12 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 48):
On 26th 27th September AKL arrivals only.

Yes, I just checked the timetable. It appears that only two flights are scheduled to arrive at 02:50.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 48):
The flight leaves SCL at 2240 rather than 2355 from the 24th though arrives AKL 26th, maybe a mistake?

No it's accurate. LAN has changed the departure time of LA801 from SCL to 22:50 (LA801 will arrive into AKL at 04:00 instead of 04:30) due to upcoming repair work on Runway 27L @ SCL that starts on 24SEP. LA801 will still depart AKL at 06:00 for SYD.

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