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TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:44 pm

The TriStar - one of my first memories of flying and being enthusiastic about flight and planes. I flew relatively many of them as a kid with my parents in the mid-90s.

A young adult now, I read of many types being retired and many "last flights". I was so surprised the DC-10 doesn't have any passenger operators anymore... I flew it on one route and thought it was supermodern compared to Airbus A300 or Airbus A310.

So I tried to search the TriStar and was even more surprised - where did it end? When did it end? Am curious to find out about the final operators and the last ever flights of the type.

I am starting to feel really old - I can already tell my younger cousins that I flew planes that essentially don't fly anymore!!
 
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:50 pm

My guess would be ATA for the last L-1011 operator. They were mainly used for charters but IIRC they did schedule them on LAX-HNL somewhere around the December 2007 - January 2008 timeframe.
 
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:05 am

Quoting Airbus747 (Thread starter):
I was so surprised the DC-10 doesn't have any passenger operators anymore...

The DC-10 has been in commercial passenger services since August 5, 1971, so I don't find it surprising. It's even less surprising since the last DC-10 was rolled-out a quarter century ago.

Quoting Airbus747 (Thread starter):
Am curious to find out about (...) the last ever flights of the type.

Aren't there still a couple of Tristar flying for some minor operators?
 
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:21 am

YES Air, Luzair and Euro Atlantic are the last few remaining ones I recall around 2007-2009? Thai Sky Airlines had 2 and went under in 2006. There may have been 1 or 2 doing Hajj charters in the middle east during that time frame too. After Delta retired them in 2001, a few got scattered around the globe for start-ups but I'm sure maintenance caught up to them and most were parked within 5 years.
 
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:57 am

If you think you feel old, try this: my first flights included airplanes like the DC6 and DC7; Martin 404; Convair 440; Fairchild Hiller FH 27.
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Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:27 am

I believe the SANDS hotel was using a L1011 for VIPs, and I believe it was damage in Asia, and replaced by an ex SQ A345.
 
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:42 am

Delta - last revenue flight was 7/31/01 from MCO-ATL.

Very fondly remember connecting through Atlanta as an unaccompanied minor and always seeing the L1011's lined up for trips to the West Coast, Florida and Hawaii. Also vacationing in Waikiki ~1999 and going to this ocean water park a few thousand yards past the East/Waikiki end of the Reef Runway watching nothing but DC-10's of AA/CO/HA/JL/NW/UA and L1011's of ATA/DL depart.

For myself personally nothing will ever compare to the widebody tri-jets.

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Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:31 am

Quoting nikeherc (Reply 4):
If you think you feel old, try this: my first flights included airplanes like the DC6 and DC7; Martin 404; Convair 440; Fairchild Hiller FH 27.

Try a Boeing 377 on for size. First flight in 1948.

I searched for TriStars (not Tri Star or Tristar) being operated and came up with nothing. I'm sure that a few remain in charter service somewhere, but I can't find them.

I once flew from ATL to LGW on DL and upon landing in LGW we had to do a go-around due to heavy fog. I'll never forget the sheer power of those three RR's launching that TriStar skyward. Great aircraft.
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:34 am

odds are none are in service right now. this article states onlly 3 airworthy examples:

http://aviationweek.com/blog/contras...s-old-freighters-california-desert
 
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:40 am

Check out this website.....might give you some insight into DL's TriStars


http://l1011.homestead.com/
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Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:53 am

You could also take a look at www.eucomairlines.de
 
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:44 am

Wow, thanks for all the resources.

Time flies indeed...

Wonder if there are any sort of aviation museums with any of these planes still visitable/intact, or are they all dismantled?
 
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Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:58 am

I will check at the weekend.
 
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:34 am

oddly enough, I was just talking to a friend the other day mentioning she had made her way up to palmdale.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N140SC
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:15 am

The last non-military pax operator was Barq Aviation opf Askari Aviation, shuttling between Pakistan and Africa.

They operated N162AT, N164AT and N194AT. Their last flight was about April 2013. I flew on N162AT about 2 months prior to suspension of operations.

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EDIT: The aircraft have recently been re-registered to Peru as OB-2049/60/61-P and are stored in RKT.

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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:16 am

The Royal Air Force operated a fleet of nine TriStars in a transport and flight refuelling role. All had previously been operated by airlines including BA.

The last RAF TriStar sorties were flown on 24 March this year. Then two aircraft flew refuelling missions over the North Sea.
 
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:42 pm

Quoting Airbus747 (Reply 11):
Wonder if there are any sort of aviation museums with any of these planes still visitable/intact

Yes, the one in Kansas City was flown in there fairly recently from ROW. http://www.airlinehistory.org/?page=l_1011
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:25 pm

Quoting Loran (Reply 14):
The last non-military pax operator was Barq Aviation opf Askari Aviation, shuttling between Pakistan and Africa.

They operated N162AT, N164AT and N194AT. Their last flight was about April 2013. I flew on N162AT about 2 months prior to suspension of operations.

Regards,
Loran

EDIT: The aircraft have recently been re-registered to Peru as OB-2049/60/61-P and are stored in RKT

That is also my most recent information and I'm very interested in monitoring the last TriStar flights.
Even though Barq still has a website with pictures of their TriStars http://www.barqaviation.com/.

There have been several charter flights of HR-AVN (Privilege, operated by Rollins Air) during 2010 World Cup but after an INS failure over the Atlantic Ocean they lost their permit to fly to Europe. HR-AVN is grounded since, unfortunately.
They do still advertising for their TriStar on http://rollinsair.blogspot.de/

My one and only remaining hope in ever flying the mighty and beautiful TriStar relies on the success of the project http://tristarhistory.org/l1011-n91011/
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Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:53 pm

Quoting tjh8402 (Reply 8):

odds are none are in service right now. this article states onlly 3 airworthy examples:

http://aviationweek.com/blog/contras...s-old-freighters-california-desert

This is to my understanding too, only three are left one of them is the piece with Orbital Sciences …

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_L-1011
 
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Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:03 pm

Ahh yes. One of my favorite planes. I thought the bathrooms in the very rear of the plane were so spacious compared to other aircraft. I was lucky to have flown them many times on 5 different airlines. TWA, Delta, Hawaiian, British Airways and PSA. They called their L-1011 "The Mother Grinningbird" and used it on the LAX-SFO-LAX route multiple times a day. I used to love to sit atop the hill at LAX at the end of the north runways , when you were allowed to do so, and watch the L-1011's takeoff right over your head. They were always so much lower than the other jumbos when departing. I miss those days.
 
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:25 pm

Not the last, but one of the final operators was Hewa Bora Airways, with a single TriStar (albeit a newer -500 series) flying between Kinshasa and Brussels in 2006.

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Quoting Airbus747 (Thread starter):
I am starting to feel really old - I can already tell my younger cousins that I flew planes that essentially don't fly anymore!!

Do I know that feeling! Probably 90% of what I have flown on is now cooking foil and beer cans. At least three-quarters of the type of aircraft would fall in the same category of the TriStar, with not a single flying example left! * sigh! *
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:36 pm

I went to STN a few days ago and saw an all white L-1011 with a green/red color flag on the tail. I am wondering if this is a state a/c?
 
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Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:40 pm

It is g-ioit, which is used for instructional purposes.
 
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Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:11 pm

They is a Facebook page for L1011 fans.
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Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:16 pm

Quoting Airbus747 (Reply 11):
Wonder if there are any sort of aviation museums with any of these planes still visitable/intact, or are they all dismantled?

The forward section of the prototype is on display at the Delta Heritage Museum. It was previously the museum store before becoming a conference room following the improvements made there this year.
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:18 pm

Is there a complete Tristar in a museum somewhere?
 
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Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:19 pm

Quoting AF185 (Reply 21):
I went to STN a few days ago and saw an all white L-1011 with a green/red color flag on the tail. I am wondering if this is a state a/c?

It's engineless and is used for tug training if I remember well. It's been at STN for more than a decade now.
 
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Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:22 pm

Remember when Lockheed was selling the TriStar it was commonly referred to as "The Most Advanced Airliner In The World", and at the time it was!
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:28 pm

Long time since I flew on a Tristar. Must have been around 1990 when I flew with ATA and LTU.
 
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Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:42 pm

Ahhh, the L-1011. Flew them a lot with Eastern and Delta. I lived in Puerto Rico until 1974 and Eastern used them a lot from SJU to the mainland. My first L-1011 experience was in 1973, a triple shot SJU-JFK, LGA-MIA and MIA-SJU with Eastern. I had flown the 747 with AA SJU-JFK the year before and the experience of those first rides on those huge aircraft made a big impression on my teenage mind.

And by the way, those early EA L-1011s were 2-4-2 with small space to hang your coat between the 2 center seats in the middle row. In coach. Needless to say, they were sweet.

I also flew them cross country with Delta MIA-ATL-SEA-PDX and back in 1982. Nine and a half hours on an L-1011 each way. I remember being both tired and happy.  

Still one of the best looking commercial jets ever.

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Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:47 pm

Quoting na (Reply 25):

Is there a complete Tristar in a museum somewhere?

Yes. See the link I posted in reply #16
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Fri Aug 29, 2014 12:47 am

Ok Tristar fans, here's your chance to share your passion with the world. 5 of them are for sale, available for sale as a group. all they need is a (few million $ worth of ) love. Who wants to start the online crowd sourcing fundraiser?

http://www.controller.com/listingsde...1/1980-LOCKHEED-L-1011/1325125.htm

Since it's a used airplane that they have experience with, maybe DL will pick them up for that 763/744 replacement order...  stirthepot 

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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:21 am

Well not the Last TriStar Flight, but I thought you might enjoy seeing this. I was working up at VCV, and they were telling me this L-1011-500 was being prep to fly out. I hope its true. Its reg is N91011. Hope you enjoy  
 
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:43 am

Sounds like the ex raf tristars.
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:15 am

So is there one operational Tristar anywhere in the world ?



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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:34 pm

I was lucky enough to fly one of the last DL tristar runs from Hawaii to LAX. Those RB211's sounded great.....!
 
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:57 pm

Not the last for sure, but didn't TS operate their L1011's right up until about 2004?
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:10 pm

I was fortunate enough to fly on Deltas last revenue tristar back on July 31 2001..A large crowd on the ramp at MCO of Delta employees waved to us as we taxied out under power, but other then that very little fanfare. It too was the captains retirement flight as well. I was disappointed that no fly by at MCO or ATL just a straight flight. We did get a water cannon salute taxiing into the gate. Upon deplanning I signed my name in marker on the fuselage by the main door. There was cake and a slight ceremony in the terminal area but 95% of the passengers on this packed flight were making a connection in ATL and breezed right past that ceremony not acknowledging it or caring at all about the significance of that flight. I had the flight crew sign my Gemini Jets model and the wings to my 1/100 PAC MIN model and also had them sign two matching Final Farewell L-1011 certificates that were handed out.. Nice collectors piece for the L-1011.. A few hours later back to MCO on a 757 .....
 
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:19 am

Quoting diverted (Reply 36):
Not the last for sure, but didn't TS operate their L1011's right up until about 2004?

Found this in another site referring to 2004:

Air Transat [Canada] retired its last L-1011, C-GTSZ (msn 1103) on October 12 as scheduled, putting a period to the airline's long association with the trijet that lasted for over 16 years. Pre-9/11 plans called for the L-1011s to be kept in service until 2006, but soaring fuel prices together with competition and the availability of more fuel-efficient aircraft on the secondhand market led the airline to retire its trijets earlier. Meanwhile on October 30, Air Transat's service to Paris Charles de Gaulle operated by an Airbus A330 had the honor of becoming the last scheduled passenger flight to depart from Montreal's Mirabel Airport. It departed Mirabel at 20:55 local time. All passenger operations have since been consolidated at Dorval Airport and Mirabel is responsible for cargo flights only.
 
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Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:36 am

Quoting na (Reply 25):

Is there a complete Tristar in a museum somewhere?

There are three examples at museums, though they are inaccessible to most of us:

1. Air Universal, 9L-LDC, Tehran Aerospace Exhibition Center. This is the best of the bunch, with a complete cabin:

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Although the cheatline looks like it's from Delta, this was originally a TWA bird, N7035T.

2. Air Universal, 9L-LDE, Tehran Aerospace Center.

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This one was a former Delta bird, N740DA.

3. An untitled frame, TT-DWE, with Caledonian colors, TT-DWE, at Emirates National Auto Museum. She is in poor condition, very faded from exposure to the desert heat.

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The aircraft flew for British Airways, Caledonian, and Aer Lingus, G-BBAF. Last flew for Ducor World Airlines (Equatorial Guinea) and AMW (Tchad), as recently as 2007!

Not in Museums:
A former Air Transat ship, CF-TNA, sits at Lyon

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The fuselage of a former Eastern bird serves as a cafe in Daegu, South Korea:

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In Storage:
The former Flying Hospital plane, P4-MED, at Tuscon

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Al Anwa Aviation, HZ-AB1, at Victorville

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Several L-1011s were baking in the sun at Ras Al Khaimah, United Arab Emirates. I don't know if they are still there. A bunch of others are/were in Aqaba and Amman, Jordan. I don't know if they're still around.
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:31 am

The caption for the aircraft in south Korea says it was scrapped in 2007.
 
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:09 am

Quoting fanofjets (Reply 39):
Air Universal, 9L-LDE, Tehran Aerospace Center.

How come the best two examples are in Tehran? Did Iran Air even operate L-1011 back in the day?
 
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:56 am

There are two TriStars still listed as active according to PlaneLogger.com

N140SC - Orbital Sciences
3C-MIA - Private Operator
 
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Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:24 am

Quoting fanofjets (Reply 39):
TT-DWE, at Emirates National Auto Museum. She is in poor condition, very faded from exposure to the desert heat.

She was towed to the Museum (minus engines, APU and brakes to reduce weight) from RKT by a 49 tonne truck between 24 and 27 January 2009. It was a 45 mile journey. Of this 27 miles was on roads but 18 miles was across desert - hence the need for weight reduction.

Note in the photo linked by fanofjets that it still carried the Caledonian Airways name 'Loch Fyne' on its nose even though it had variously been registered 3C-QRL (Ducor World Airways), A8-AAB (International Air Express), EX072 (Skygate International?) and TT-DWE (Aircraft Machinery Works, Chad) since it was withdrawn from use by Caledonian in November 1999.

The last report I have seen of it operating was on a freight flight (SEB (Sebha, Libya)-IST) on 19 September 2006. However at a minimum it must have subsequently positioned IST-RKT.
 
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:50 am

Quoting HAWAIIAN932 (Reply 19):
I thought the bathrooms in the very rear of the plane were so spacious compared to other aircraft. I was lucky to have flown them many times on 5 different airlines. TWA, Delta, Hawaiian, British Airways and PSA.

The bathrooms across the back end of the aircraft were very noisy under #2, but very spacious.This was where the smokers, that sat in non-smoking would loiter while they sucked down one after another, all the while making the back, the pits, even as a smoker at the time, I rarely lit up.

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Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:29 pm

Quoting fanofjets (Reply 39):
In Storage:
The former Flying Hospital plane, P4-MED, at Tuscon

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The original "Mother Grinningbird" delivered to PSA (Pacific Southwest Airlines) in 1974 as N10112. Later flew as Aero Peru, Worldways (C-GIES), Operation Blessing (N787M) and last as The Flying Hospital (P4-MED). It was last sited at TUS.
 
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Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:20 pm

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 42):
There are two TriStars still listed as active according to PlaneLogger.com

N140SC - Orbital Sciences
3C-MIA - Private Operator

According to Flightaware, N140SC flew Mojave - Ontario - Palmdale on August 21.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N140SC

Ironically, Palmdale is where the L-1011 was built.

[Edited 2014-09-01 13:56:59]
 
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:51 pm

Sheldon Adelson could easily buy 1-2 L10s and return them to service. Well.. I am making assumptions as usual (check my name).

But, if it can legally be done for $20m or so, for him that is pocket lint.
 
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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:27 pm

Quoting fanofjets (Reply 39):
Several L-1011s were baking in the sun at Ras Al Khaimah, United Arab Emirates. I don't know if they are still there. A bunch of others are/were in Aqaba and Amman, Jordan. I don't know if they're still around.

N700TS (CN 1066) is missing from your list. It was flown to MKC in 2010.


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RE: TriStar L-1011 Last Passenger Operators & Flights?

Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:20 pm

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 48):
N700TS (CN 1066) is missing from your list. It was flown to MKC in 2010

This bird was not at either of the airports in Jordan, but stored at KTUS. I didn't mention this beauty only because someone else beat me to it.  Post scriptum:
I had heard about a TriStar in Saudia livery being stored or preserved, but could not verify that. It may have been a rumor several years ago.
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