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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:22 pm

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 33):
I'm another vote for 'keep the canyon blue' as I love it!

I'm with you. The old "baby puke" color was not cute. Canyon Blue is much more visible on a tarmac, much more visually striking.

The good news is that I think we can have faith that WN will not choose a boring mostly-white scheme.
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:28 pm

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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:32 pm

I think they fixed the fading issue on the Canyon Blue planes. Some of them looked awful, but I haven't seen those floating around in the last three or so years.

In any event, I vote for these two WN schemes.  
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:32 pm

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 28):
I'll bet that what we will see is a "Dallas One" livery and that will be the extent of it.

Maybe a sub-head "The Wright Airline!"

"I'm open for a new design, but the current one on WN looks stunning. How anyone can say the current blue is hideous is beyond me."

It looks great when it is not faded. The problem is that this particular blue seems prone to fading very fast.

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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:43 pm

Quoting pdxswa (Reply 45):
Boeing paints all new build 737s in GEG so where is the speculation on that ?

They do? I don't think that's accurate. GEG has one paint booth, and there would be a flood of 737's sitting around waiting for paint. While Boeing does do some overflow painting in GEG, those a/c are ferried there and back by Boeing - predelivery. The 2 green a/c that were flown to GEG had already been delivered to SWA - that's why the speculation.
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:49 pm

Quoting justlump (Reply 30):
Management wants serious concessions from the employees.

Not true. I am a union employee with WN. People just don't understand the concept of "negotiations".

Quoting pdxswa (Reply 45):
Currently 800 series aircraft cannot go to every city WN serves. So WN would only do an 800 special livery if they could go to all cities WN serves.

Which cities can they not go to and why would it have to be served by every city to get a special livery?
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:51 pm

Time to take the name off the tail and place it on the fuselage. The whole look is very dated. The font has not changed since 1973.
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:57 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 55):
Which cities can they not go to and why would it have to be served by every city to get a special livery?

I too am trying to think of a city that the -800 can't go in to.....
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:18 pm

Quoting dsuairptman (Reply 8):

I miss the old desert brown scheme. Have never been overly huge on the canyon blue motief.

I loved the old scheme, but I haveto say I like the Canyon Blue, as well. I think it looks pretty sharp.
 
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Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:19 pm

Since we are all on the topic of a new / revised livery, there is something else I've been thinking about. If there is going to be a new "Clean Sheet" design, will that come with a new interior? I understand that the "Evolve" interior came out in 2012, however I've been hearing and seeing that it does not age well at all. Recently I was aboard a new -800 and it already looked really worn. I can understand the concept behind "wear and tear", however I'd think that after a month and a half it wouldn't look that bad. I've also heard that B/E Aerospace is being sold as well? Perhaps maybe a new seat design too?

Quoting WesternDC6B (Reply 53):
It looks great when it is not faded. The problem is that this particular blue seems prone to fading very fast.

I agree with this, there are some planes out there that look just terrible. The blue doesnt mesh really well with the GSE either. However if you venture out to some other stations, there is still some gold GSE around.

Quoting justlump (Reply 30):

One thing I do want to add to this, is that if it is indeed a whole new livery, and one that looks very well, then I hope its one of the many tools to be used to boost some of the overall moral. As much as I LUV WN, we're very much stuck in the 70s and its time to be updated to 2015.
 
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:52 pm

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 59):
Since we are all on the topic of a new / revised livery, there is something else I've been thinking about. If there is going to be a new "Clean Sheet" design, will that come with a new interior? I understand that the "Evolve" interior came out in 2012, however I've been hearing and seeing that it does not age well at all. Recently I was aboard a new -800 and it already looked really worn. I can understand the concept behind "wear and tear", however I'd think that after a month and a half it wouldn't look that bad. I've also heard that B/E Aerospace is being sold as well? Perhaps maybe a new seat design too?

Interesting. I've not been on any Evolve aircraft that looked worn. Maybe I was just lucky. Overall, I like the interior, though I do hate that WN decreased pitch on the 73G.
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:23 pm

Quoting windowflyer (Reply 44):
I rather like the current colour scheme. In fact, its the only thing about Southwest that I like.

But the blue looks so shabby after a couple of years of being painted.

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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:47 pm

The fading issue has largely been corrected.
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:00 pm

Bring it on. Can always keep some 'special liveries' with red and gold.

Quoting vulindlela744 (Reply 5):
Funny, I work for SWA and haven't heard this rumor at all. Highly doubt this is true.

Guess you haven't worked in aviation very long then because their employees are always the last to know about anything company related.  
 
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:07 pm

Quick historical note WN got such rave reviews on the color of triple crown one with the blue,Orange, red and gold.
It was a win win on picking the new colors.
Because back then WN was actually always at the top in every category.
So people recognized the airline easier and remember the quality and timely kept schedules.
Brand redesigned or refreshing isn't a bad call at this point in the game.
Not only have several SNFU hurt the image the 4yr merger with FL has left a bitter taste in everyone's mouth.
While I LUV the traditional WN look maybe it's time for something new.
Let's just hope AA design team not part of WN now because the new AA is ugly.
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:10 pm

How about an "International One" paint scheme to celebrate the new service?
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:50 pm

2014 is a HUGE year for Southwest with completion of the AirTran integration, inauguration of international service, end of the Wright Amendment (sorta), and major service increases to DCA & LGA. WN has temporarily stopped branding certain service items (cups, water cans, etc.). On Monday, "Spirit" inflight magazine will be replaced with a new one called, "Southwest - The Magazine" with a totally different font on the cover. New uniforms are planned for next year.

All of this points, to me anyway, that a rebranding is indeed imminent.
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:27 am

I think a new livery is needed to fit their "we've become no better than the other guys at this point" motive that they've been going for these past few years.
 
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:47 am

I'm excited to see what it is, so long as it doesn't go Eurowhite.

Quoting BN727227Ultra (Reply 23):
Would make me happy if they adopted AirTran's...

It's going to be AirTran's livery with "Southwest" on the Fuselage taking the Continited rebranding gospel.   
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:57 am

Quoting gr8slvrflt (Reply 66):
All of this points, to me anyway, that a rebranding is indeed imminent.

These are interesting developments. I remain cautiously optimistic. WN is one airline that really does "get" branding.
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:57 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 68):
It's going to be AirTran's livery with "Southwest" on the Fuselage taking the Continited rebranding gospel.  

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Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:00 am

Quoting BN727227Ultra (Reply 70):
W00t!

That's not actual information. I was being sarcastic and poking fun at United taking Continental's livery and slapping "UNITED" on it, hence the   .
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:02 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 71):
That's not actual information. I was being sarcastic and poking fun at United taking Continental's livery and slapping "UNITED" on it, hence the   .

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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:03 am

Quoting twaconnie (Reply 25):

AA needes new tail before WN

No doubt about it!

I much preferred the old desert or corndog scheme on Southwest, and with the white trim around the windows - something missing on the few "retro" or heritage jets. Although I do like the sharper or brighter shade or brown on those jets. I'd like to see WN go back to that. The blue is not my favorite at all, and it quite often looks faded.

We will see shortly if something is coming out after all or this is just a rumor with no truth.
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:03 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 68):
It's going to be AirTran's livery with "Southwest" on the Fuselage taking the Continited rebranding gospel.   

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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:07 am

Quoting panam330 (Reply 74):
"I designed it." - Gary Kelly

                 

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 73):
I much preferred the old desert or corndog scheme on Southwest,

That's a very anachronistic color palette. Those kinds of oranges and browns were all the rage in the 1970s, but not appropriate for 2014.
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:41 am

If WN does decide to do a 600 aircraft repaint I and most of my coworkers will be very disappointed. There are several work groups at WN that have contracts that have been renewable for years. Notice I did not say expired because they don't expire they are just now negotiable for the past few years. I love our red bellies, always have. No need to change it.

I see a couple of new specialty aircraft and nothing more. JMO.
 
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:29 am

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 76):
If WN does decide to do a 600 aircraft repaint I and most of my coworkers will be very disappointed.

Although my work group is working with an expired contract, I am sitll interested to see what WN has in store..

Regardless, all of our planes will need to be repainted at some point in time regardless of the livery it wears. WN has many planes that look very tired and chalky looking, and those who are in close proximity to our planes can probably agree to that. There are many -700s out there ( especially the N9** series ) that are in need of a fresh coat of paint, and I am sure there are less expesnive designs out there than the livery we wear now.

One other thing to think about with regards to this potential new livery is that the titles would have to be on the tail. Why you might ask? Well just look at some of our specialty planes where the tail titles fit perfectly.
 
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:50 am

Quoting barney captain (Reply 57):

The Gates SW uses at Burbank cannot fit an 800. With that being said, they did and may still have an 800 do a Vegas turn less than daily in the afternoon, parking at A7 when US and B6 were not using it.
 
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:00 pm

With DirecTV and wifi onboard now, I would love for any refresh of the cabin to include electric or USB power ports. My iPad gets through about 1.5 movies on MCO-LAS before it dies completely. That last hour is pretty boring. Just some vast desert with a big crack in it.  

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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:04 pm

Quoting av8orwalk (Reply 79):
With DirecTV and wifi onboard now, I would love for any refresh of the cabin to include electric or USB power ports. My iPad gets through about 1.5 movies on MCO-LAS before it dies completely. That last hour is pretty boring. Just some vast desert with a big crack in it.  

The FA's would like there to be power-outlets as well for the pax, not everyone wants to drain their phone or iPad battery during the flights only to have nothing left for the rest of their day. Also headphones... I am surprised at the number of people who do not travel with headphones. We don't hand them out (yet) because it's a labor issue... this is not unique to WN, it's just an additional duty that would need to be worked into our contract and/or discussed with our unions depending on which work-group handled them.

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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:36 pm

Quoting av8orwalk (Reply 79):
My iPad gets through about 1.5 movies on MCO-LAS before it dies completely.

Sounds like it's time for a new iPad!
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:18 pm

Quoting av8orwalk (Reply 79):
I would love for any refresh of the cabin to include electric or USB power ports.

This needed to happen from the moment WiFi was added. You can't offer inflight entertainment that requires someone to use their own device and not offer power for that device.
 
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:03 pm

Quoting phllax (Reply 78):
The Gates SW uses at Burbank cannot fit an 800. With that being said, they did and may still have an 800 do a Vegas turn less than daily in the afternoon, parking at A7 when US and B6 were not using it.

I've taken an -800 in there in the evening as a through flight from LAS to OAK, and you're correct we had to park at the very end. We have several jetways/parking areas around the system that cannot accommodate an -800, but AFAIK, they can operate in to all of our cities.

Quoting av8orwalk (Reply 79):
I would love for any refresh of the cabin to include electric or USB power ports.

Me too. This seems like it would be much easier and cheaper than 120v outlets, but wouldn't help the laptop users.
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:53 pm

I have not heard a word about this internally which means there just might be something to this rumor.  

I will say that if this is true, at least one union will be upset. Don't get me started on how they spin the 717 transition to Delta.      

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 55):
Quoting justlump (Reply 30):
Management wants serious concessions from the employees.

Not true. I am a union employee with WN. People just don't understand the concept of "negotiations".

I can only speak for Ground Ops, but it would appear both sides don't understand the concept of "negotiations."
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:35 pm

Definitely seems like new branding starting this fall. Spirit Magazine is changing to Southwest: The Magazine with a completely different look. It's not SOUTHWEST: The Magazine, it's Southwest: The Magazine as the new typeface and potential logo. I can't say if this is part of the potential new branding or not, but if it is, I'm not a big fan.
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:54 pm

Quoting wncrew (Reply 80):
The FA's would like there to be power-outlets as well for the pax, not everyone wants to drain their phone or iPad battery during the flights only to have nothing left for the rest of their day.

How about we settle for wifi that WORKS, then move on to power?  
Quoting maverickTTT (Reply 82):
This needed to happen from the moment WiFi was added. You can't offer inflight entertainment that requires someone to use their own device and not offer power for that device.

Most airlines don't have power fleet wide.
 
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Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:17 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 86):
Most airlines don't have power fleet wide.

Most airlines don't currently require the passenger to bring their own device in order to use the on-board entertainment system.
 
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:30 pm

Looking at Flightaware, it looks like an -800 flew from GEG to VCV as flt 8525 on AUG26 and never flew out again. Funny thing is that it left GEG at 0250 and landed in VCV at 0450... under the cover of darkness.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8525
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:40 pm

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 73):
I much preferred the old desert or corndog scheme on Southwest, and with the white trim around the windows...

I agree with you. The white trim was very characteristic!
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:44 pm

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 88):
Looking at Flightaware, it looks like an -800 flew from GEG to VCV as flt 8525 on AUG26 and never flew out again. Funny thing is that it left GEG at 0250 and landed in VCV at 0450... under the cover of darkness.
Quoting barney captain (Reply 20):
Delivered N8642 'green'

Looks like 8642 is the culprit here..
 
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:55 pm

Quoting maverickTTT (Reply 87):
Most airlines don't currently require the passenger to bring their own device in order to use the on-board entertainment system.

Delta has streaming content on their A319/320 fleet and my MD-88 ride the other day had it as well. AA doesn't even have individual IFE on most of their planes. Alaska doesn't have any IFE (unless you're on a digiplayer route) and neither does US.

That being said, if someone's iPad dies after two movies, it's time for a new iPad. Or read a book.  
 
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:29 am

Quoting barney captain (Reply 20):
Delivered N8642 'green' from PAE on the 16th, already ferried out painted to VCV for storage until the reveal

So it was in GEG from AUG16 to AUG26, 10 days. Would that be too long for the process of painting a standard new livery or just about right for a special theme paint scheme?

Also, hearing rumors of #8645 being the second plane in GEG right now.
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:49 am

There is a Southwest plane parked at Boeing Field in the current Canyon Blue scheme, FWIW.
 
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Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:15 am

Quoting Prost (Reply 93):

That doesn't mean anything. They were taking new deliveries in the desert brown scheme right up until the big reveal of the canyon blue spirit livery.
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:19 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 18):
Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 17):
the name Southwest doesn't fit their broader market any more

I respectfully disagree. While some might think the name implies geographic limitation, to most it's (falsely, IMHO) synonymous with low fares, and people flock to them when they open a new destination based on that perception.

Corporate mindsets may differ.

HP took US Airways name and branding based on the logic that 'America West' was too geographically limited and no longer fit the company's broader market.

Southwest bought ATA names, logos, trademarks, etc. dirt cheap. If they rebrand, it's pretty much a given what they are going to call themselves.

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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Mon Sep 01, 2014 1:55 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 18):

agreed. Same thing with AS, most people aren't stupid enough to think that AS only has flights to Alaska. I don't think many see WN as a "southwest" airline.

Of course you also had NW who didn't even have a hub in the Northwest US.

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 39):
Lastly, I noticed Nose 8647 arrived into IND the other day, perhaps she too was unpainted?

I don't think AAR does paint work and i would bet its in for some kind of visit at IND. (also don't know of a painter in IND)

could be completely work though. IIRC UA did build one of the bays at IND to be a paint bay.

is that a -700 or a -800? I have no idea how your ship numbers work so I can't look up the tail.....
 
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:04 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 96):
Of course you also had NW who didn't even have a hub in the Northwest US.

Well as American history goes, anything past the Appalachians is considered West. Ohio is west. So their Detroit and Minneapolis hubs were in fact North and West, if you go by what historians define it as. In seriousness, their Anchorage hub for Northwest Cargo counts.
 
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:08 am

Quoting pjc747 (Reply 97):
Well as American history goes, anything past the Appalachians is considered West. Ohio is west. So their Detroit and Minneapolis hubs were in fact North and West, if you go by what historians define it as. In seriousness, their Anchorage hub for Northwest Cargo counts.

I mean i get what your saying, but when some says the Northwest of the US I don't think of DTW or MSP. That more midwest.

However you win with the ANC hub.  
 
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RE: Rumor: WN To Get New Livery?

Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:15 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 96):
is that a -700 or a -800?

8647 is an -800..

Both 8646 and 8647 are in IND as we speak, however they arrived during the day. If they were painted or not has yet to be disclosed..

One thing I do remember is that when AA first introduced its new livery, they were still taking delievery of planes in the old AA colors...

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