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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Sep 07, 2014 6:24 pm

If there are news that the largest immigrant group by birth in Alaska are from the Philippines, wouldn't be a good idea for UA to offer a MNL-GUM-ANC-EWR a couple of days per week.
Probably there's some military traffic between GUM and ANC which could use that route too.
Not sure how UA wide-bodies are flown to/from HKG when in maintenance, but routing those that way could also make use of the ferry flights.

B.T.W., the largest in Rhode Island are Domincans, for sure UA not looking to jump into flying PVD-SDQ/STI, even if UA does need to increase its foothold in the Boston region.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:00 pm

Quoting N104UA (Reply 148):

so would you agree that DL is giving in to UA since they cancelled SFO-NRT?
 
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Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:38 pm

With the mention of AUA and LGA, I think that what I've noticed is UA has really put a strong focus on consolidating routes specifically to their hubs with the exception of some UAX services that seem to be becoming fewer and fewer.
Taking advantage of the 1 day a week range exception, though, brings up an issue that I also felt about the recent DL MSY-CUN announcement. It pretty much means that if you want to take advantage of that nonstop flight, you absolutely have to stay there a week, not something that everyone will afford or want, a twice weekly is so much more convenient and gives so much more option, but LGA doesn't seem to allow that.

The mention of SEA makes me rather curious the background of SEA-NRT. It always seemed like a sort of historically-based route from a different time, given the lack of an alliance base (was SEA a former UA/CO hub?) and it didn't seem like one that would last anyways, especially with a big 772.

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 149):
What about EWR-ICN? Can the new 787 do LAX-SIN nonstop? Or EWR-SIN?

EWR-ICN seems inevitable, in fact I'm very surprised that neither UA nor OZ serve that. That is a route that even a 788 is fully capable of.
SIN on the other hand, we almost certainly won't see from LAX nor EWR, not even SFO. It's simply too far for any of UA's fleet.
Buuuuut... Maybe, a connection could be established as SFO-GUM using a 788, and use that same 788 to go onward to SIN. I think that makes more sense than the HKG and NRT 5th freedom routes. SIN doesn't have any flights to GUM but it does to both HKG and NRT on carriers with bases on both sides of those routes.
On the topic of SIN, if not a Mainland connection, then perhaps a 738 Hopper for GUM-BWN-SIN.

Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 145):
BRU has that unique west African network by SN ... of course now it must be in a world of hurt thanks of ebola (the phrase all eggs in one basket comes to mind)

Why not SN's inter-Europe network? They seem to have pretty good options alongside LH to perhaps warrant an SFO and IAH 763, although...

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 147):
(at least that wouldn't duplicate/conflict with other LH Group offerings)

Does LH make that difficult?
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:50 pm

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 151):

Quoting N104UA (Reply 148):

so would you agree that DL is giving in to UA since they cancelled SFO-NRT?

I would argue that airlines are taking the trend of focusing on fleet utilization and operating international routes from about 2 gateways in each region of the country (West coast, Midwest, and East Coast) and figuring out where best to keep those routes from, including feeder routes, besides CVG every route that DL serves in SFO has a nonstop DL flight to NRT (and the same thing with UA in SEA with the DEN-NRT service, every route that UA has into SEA has a nonstop to NRT).

DL is giving in to UA in SFO because they can better accommodate NRT pax through other cities.

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 149):
There is no evidence to suggest UA is not happy with LGA operations or that they believe LGA is redundant. No one has ever suggested LGA detracts from EWR. You have no proof, it is just an imagined notion. Imagine the reaction if UA dropped LGA and moved even more to EWR, we would never hear the end of it. As a matter of fact, at one time EWR was not slot controlled and LGA/JFK were slot controlled a lot of years ago, well before your time (judging by your profile). So you already lost your bet since CO never dropped LGA to focus on EWR. Everyone knows JFK was the problem airport for CO, CLE/IAH to JFK never lasted. They won't keep flights that have little profitability or strategic purpose. LGA is a prime airport that UA will never, ever, ever leave. Unimaginable to even suggest this.

Sorry, I was not saying that UA should or is thinking about pulling out of LGA, I am just saying that with the way UA is consolidating their route structure, it would not surprise me if they pulled out of LGA if EWR and JFK weren't slot restricted, as it would bring them increased cost savings to run on from 2 airports in NYC than 3, however because EWR and JFK are slot restricted they must use LGA to keep up with demand. Also with Smisek I would not put anything out of imaginability.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:24 pm

 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:43 pm

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 154):

UA might want to consider IAH-TLV:

http://fuelfix.com/blog/2014/09/09/i...s-for-energy-investment-expertise/

does Israel have oil fields, or they're just looking for expertise for their investments in oil fields elsewhere ? usually the IAH-XXX flights are going to where the drilling is (hence the SAS flight to middle-of-where in Norway)

Quoting S75752 (Reply 152):
Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 145):
BRU has that unique west African network by SN ... of course now it must be in a world of hurt thanks of ebola (the phrase all eggs in one basket comes to mind)

Why not SN's inter-Europe network? They seem to have pretty good options alongside LH to perhaps warrant an SFO and IAH 763, although...

Because I was referring to what SN can uniquely offer. For inter-Europe, nearly everything can be done via FRA and MUC, so SN/BRU offers very little incremental value (other than a REALLY long walk at BRU terminals)
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:53 pm

Quoting S75752 (Reply 132):

Connectivity at both LTN & STN are much better than it used to be, so that shouldn't be an issue; available slots always will be to a point; but I can't see why there shouldn't be EWR or IAD flights to either STN or LTN
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:55 pm

Quoting S75752 (Reply 152):
Quoting Jetblue1965 (Reply 145):BRU has that unique west African network by SN ... of course now it must be in a world of hurt thanks of ebola (the phrase all eggs in one basket comes to mind)
Why not SN's inter-Europe network? They seem to have pretty good options alongside LH to perhaps warrant an SFO and IAH 763, although...
Quoting S75752 (Reply 152):
Quoting LHCVG (Reply 147): (at least that wouldn't duplicate/conflict with other LH Group offerings)
Does LH make that difficult?

To answer your second point, no not necessarily. However, to your first point, it would duplicate other offerings from LH/OS/LX for similar services, which they MAY (or may not for that matter) deem redundant and see as attrition instead of additional demand. They might feel that it's better to route you via the big hubs at FRA/MUC/ZRH for a given route that BRU duplicates in order to focus BRU on exclusive connections or ones that make more sense (e.g., like UA might push you to use EWR over ORD for a shorter routing).

It's not necessarily a good or bad thing either way, but something they might consider when offering connections -- what marginal benefit does BRU provide when they can put you on a bigger a/c via FRA en route to the same final destination, for example?
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:59 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 155):
hence the SAS flight to middle-of-where in Norway)

FWIW, I've seen a few bags on the SAS flight connect to Aberdeen.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:06 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 155):
does Israel have oil fields, or they're just looking for expertise for their investments in oil fields elsewhere ?

They have fairly substantial gas fields out in the Mediterranean, and Noble is now ready to export Israeli gas to to places like Jordan.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:49 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 158):

Since SK started, there's been chatter about Aberdeen. Hypothetically, if IAH did get a flight there, who would serve it and what plane would they use? A 73W seems like it would be the perfect plane, but I don't think Privat has anymore. If UA were to serve it, a 763 or 788 would be too big and a 752 doesn't have the range.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:02 pm

ORD should gain a few European flights . The schedule out of ORD is somewhat limited to the "big" Euro airports like LHR, CDG, AMS and FRA. Summertime flights to BCN, EDI, even FCO or MXP would be helpful. However, UA management seems to enjoy selling out the Euro flights out of EWR and IAD with high yields, and adding extra lift would probably cause fares to drop a little, something management is keen to avoid.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:57 pm

Quoting iahworldflyer (Reply 161):
Summertime flights to BCN, EDI, even FCO or MXP would be helpful.

It does have Summer EDI. I'd much rather connect in ORD instead of EWR or IAD from the West coast, quicker. A BCN or MAD would certainly be nice.

Another more (brief) thought is EWR-TRD, may be too low activity through TRD for it anyways though.

Also from ORD, TLV is still left unserved... Instead of IAH it might be better flown through ORD.

[Edited 2014-09-09 15:02:18]
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:52 pm

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 5):

I"m excited about our next new route!! However, I'm keeping quiet as it hasn't even hit any rumors anywhere at this point. The company has done a good job of keeping this one quiet so far!

CALMSP, can we expect an announcement any time soon?
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:24 pm

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 5):
I"m excited about our next new route!! However, I'm keeping quiet as it hasn't even hit any rumors anywhere at this point. The company has done a good job of keeping this one quiet so far!
Quoting diesel33 (Reply 163):
CALMSP, can we expect an announcement any time soon?

is it one of those 737-reachable destinations or a really exciting widebody long-haul route that is in brand new unchartered territory, pre-empting all competition ?
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:25 pm

What is the possibility that we see GUM-LAX/SFO in the near future?
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:43 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 165):
What is the possibility that we see GUM-LAX/SFO in the near future?

Sadly, extremely low. Only a high density 763 would work, which UA no longer has (all IPTE now). The AirMike 764 can theoretically work, but probably payload penalized.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:33 pm

Quoting iahworldflyer (Reply 161):
ORD should gain a few European flights . The schedule out of ORD is somewhat limited to the "big" Euro airports like LHR, CDG, AMS and FRA. Summertime flights to BCN, EDI, even FCO or MXP would be helpful. However, UA management seems to enjoy selling out the Euro flights out of EWR and IAD with high yields, and adding extra lift would probably cause fares to drop a little, something management is keen to avoid.
ORD has year round service to LHR, FRA, MUC, CDG, AMS and BRU on UA and seasonal service to EDI and SNN...when you add in the JV partners you gain DUS, ZRH and VIE as well.

There is quite a lot of lift out of ORD to Europe already but I agree with you that adding a couple of flights to some holiday destinations in Europe would be rather cool especialy if they could push AA out of the markets (MAN, DUB ect)

[Edited 2014-09-10 09:34:54]
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:07 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 166):
The AirMike 764 can theoretically work, but probably payload penalized.

I thought all CM 764s were configured and that the high density 777 replaced the 764s on Pacific routes.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:29 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 168):
I thought all CM 764s were configured and that the high density 777 replaced the 764s on Pacific routes.

Oh ... in that case, there won't be a single plane currently configured to be suitable for a hypothetical GUM-SFO.

If UA has spare 787s, a LAX-BNE is a much better use than SFO-GUM.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:39 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 169):

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 168):
I thought all CM 764s were configured and that the high density 777 replaced the 764s on Pacific routes.

Oh ... in that case, there won't be a single plane currently configured to be suitable for a hypothetical GUM-SFO.

all of the 764s are in 39J 203Y configuration....UA does fly them on a couple of routes out of HNL but probably not a good fit for low yielding routes.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:42 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 170):
all of the 764s are in 39J 203Y configuration....UA does fly them on a couple of routes out of HNL but probably not a good fit for low yielding routes.

I've flown that EWR-HNL 764 in the front ... possibly the most comfortable way to reach Hawaii from the east coast.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:06 pm

What is the possibility of introducing some Latin markets out of ORD. I could see UA attempting PTY, BOG or UIO out of ORD.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:16 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 165):

What is the possibility that we see GUM-LAX/SFO in the near future?

People have suggested this for ages on here. Slim to none. It would take a large aircraft. I think there is a lot of originating and terminating traffic in Hawaii. The flight would miss out on this.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:16 pm

Quoting jetskipper (Reply 172):

ORD-BZE season starts this December, and quietly announced new seasonal ORD/IAD-SJO saturday service as well.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:16 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 169):
Oh ... in that case, there won't be a single plane currently configured to be suitable for a hypothetical GUM-SFO.

If UA has spare 787s, a LAX-BNE is a much better use than SFO-GUM.

Can the high density 777 over fly HNL to LAX? maybe switch it to GUM-LAX and replace the GUM-HNL portion with a sCO etops 752?

I am sure more cargo and better discounts can be flown in non-stop from mainland to GUM than HNL in that 777.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:28 pm

Quoting malaysia (Reply 175):
Can the high density 777 over fly HNL to LAX? maybe switch it to GUM-LAX and replace the GUM-HNL portion with a sCO etops 752?

I don't think either 752 or 777-200A has the range to do that route westbound. If any case, it would be SFO-GUM not LAX-GUM, but I don't think either is realistic today.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:09 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 176):
I don't think either 752 or 777-200A has the range to do that route westbound. If any case, it would be SFO-GUM not LAX-GUM, but I don't think either is realistic today.

The longest current HD 777 route is ORD-HNL and well....

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=ORD-HNL,+LAX-GUM

[Edited 2014-09-10 12:11:03]
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:45 am

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 171):
I've flown that EWR-HNL 764 in the front ... possibly the most comfortable way to reach Hawaii from the east coast.

Ya but it is the worst way to reach it if you are in the back. The old CO seats are super hard.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:49 am

Quoting N104UA (Reply 178):

Ya but it is the worst way to reach it if you are in the back. The old CO seats are super hard.

All of the Y class seats were replaced with B/E Pinnacle seats when they retrofitted the flat bed seats in J.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:54 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 176):
I don't think either 752 or 777-200A has the range to do that route westbound. If any case, it would be SFO-GUM not LAX-GUM, but I don't think either is realistic today.

yes maybe when a 788 or 789 extra comes on line, it could be a possibility but today,, but I keep feeling that LAX is better than SFO cause bigger south pacific community?
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:12 pm

Any chance of IAH-LAD? With United's experience serving LOS with the 788 maybe they could make LAD work.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:29 pm

Quoting malaysia (Reply 180):

Such a route probably would not be O&D oriented, SFO has a shorter flight.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:37 pm

Quoting boeingrulz (Reply 181):
Any chance of IAH-LAD? With United's experience serving LOS with the 788 maybe they could make LAD work.

Maybe a tag-on would work better in this case ? IAH-LOS-LAD ?
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:41 pm

Quoting boeingrulz (Reply 181):

Any chance of IAH-LAD? With United's experience serving LOS with the 788 maybe they could make LAD work.
Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 183):
Maybe a tag-on would work better in this case ? IAH-LOS-LAD ?

Wouldn't this require the approval from the Angolan government?
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:53 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 183):
IAH-LOS-LAD ?

With how few passengers LAD handles, I'd be surprised if UA wanted to go to that much effort. Seems someone already charters that anyways.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:16 pm

Nah, that Atlas charter is in a premium configuration, operates a couple of days a week, and is rarely full. So, LAD is most likely a non-starter.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:38 pm

The Atlas air charter flight operated as SonAir Houson Espress is only for people who are affiliated with USAEA (U.S. Africa Energy Association). As far as I can tell, the performance of this particular flight wouldn't really reflect the real market potential for the route. I am not contending that there is or is not sufficient traffic for UA to serve the city pair, but I don't think that SonAir's service reflects the market.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:46 am

Quoting boeingrulz (Reply 187):

Fair enough, I can lend myself to that assessment.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:58 am

A 777 between HNL and GUM is the perfect solution easy connections to all over the USA from HNL. Mainland US to GUM I doubt we will ever see.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:25 am

Quoting S75752 (Reply 152):
The mention of SEA makes me rather curious the background of SEA-NRT. It always seemed like a sort of historically-based route from a different time, given the lack of an alliance base (was SEA a former UA/CO hub?) and it didn't seem like one that would last anyways, especially with a big 772

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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:18 am

Just to clarify, SEA-HKG and SEA-NRT (along with PDX-NRT 1x/week) were United's first long haul international services. They were already flying to points in Canada and Mexico.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:14 am

EWR will see a few new cities from India. BLR, HYD & MAA. Only a matter of time and the right a/c...

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 150):
If there are news that the largest immigrant group by birth in Alaska are from the Philippines, wouldn't be a good idea for UA to offer a MNL-GUM-ANC-EWR a couple of days per week.

UA will launch SFO-MNL.

Quoting S75752 (Reply 152):
EWR-ICN seems inevitable

  

Quoting N104UA (Reply 178):
Ya but it is the worst way to reach it if you are in the back. The old CO seats are super hard.

I'd rather have open seat next to me in legacy CO coach than their outdated Biz/First seat.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:50 am

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 1):

Well, HGH announced that HU would operate it's first non-stop US route HGH-LAX. So it's not likely for UA to open a new route to HGH at present.

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