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UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:23 am

What international services are on the horizon for UA? I ask this because I was looking for jobs on united.com and looked under different countries and saw, among others, Russia, Indonesia, and Turkey. Yes UA recently cut IST, but sUA flew to DME years ago and the same for sCO with DPS. Is UA looking to return to those markets? Or add totally new ones? Or even new routes like ORD/IAH-DXB?

Sidebar: there is a picture of a sCO 764 landing in SVO in the database. Does anyone know why it was there?

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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:31 am

I'd like to see
IAH-BSB/PVG
SFO-CAN/HGH/FUK/GRU
EWR-BGO/KEF/LUX(Longshot)
IAD-DME(tried before)/TXL
ORD-BCN/MXP

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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:37 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):

PMCO used to be a sky team member and SVO is an Aeroflot hub and still a current sky team member...that's my best guess,

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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:40 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):

military charter is why that bird was in Russia.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:42 am

IAH-BSB/AKL/PVG/MAD/YHZ?/TLV

I'm completely uneducated on other hubs so I'm not going to touch those!
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:00 am

I"m excited about our next new route!! However, I'm keeping quiet as it hasn't even hit any rumors anywhere at this point. The company has done a good job of keeping this one quiet so far!
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:02 am

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 5):

Why must you do this to me?
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:09 am

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 4):
IAH-BSB/AKL/PVG/MAD/YHZ?/TLV

BSB: needs right aircraft. 757 doesn't have the range and the 788 is way to big
AKL: maybe within the next 10 years
PVG: maybe within the next 20 years
MAD: kinda thought this would work with UAs LatAm network, but with UA not in Oneworld or Skyteam, who knows.
YHZ: fat chance
TLV is interesting. I work for a foreign airline in IAH and TLV is one of our most popular destinations and is pretty high yielding. ATH is another popular destination with people up front as well. With a Star buddy in ATH, A3, it may work out in say, 10 years time.

I can see VIE working from any hub to link in with the OS east Europe network.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:18 am

Wouldnt be surprised if UA started SFO-TLV.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:16 am

Wasn't there some rumour last year with their 787-8 / -9 aircraft coming to BNE ? Or am i totally wrong??
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:17 am

My thoughts:

EWR-DXB before EK does. They missed their chance with ORD, I can't see them missing their chance with EWR.
ORD-KEF 752 or EWR-KEF 737.
IAH-CDG; I really can not see UA letting AF walk away with this.
IAD-EDI, given the success of other EDI routes.
IAH-AKL Either with a 788 from the UA end, or a 789 from the NZ end
IAH-ICN This is another that I really can't imagine UA simply letting KE have

SFO-BNE This seems like a no brainer, especially with the 788.
SFO-MEL Less likely, but who knows, if LAX has enough success they might consider this with a 789 as well.
SFO-DEL This also seems like a no-brainer with the 789, but only if the federal issues with India still prevent AI from serving it themselves.
SFO-AMS I admit this one's very wishful thinking.
SFO-BRU Well, considering that they apparently find this worthy of sending 772's to from other nearer hubs...
SFO-GRU/GIG/SCL These are wishful thinking too, but I would think that at least one would be bound to work.

LAX-HKG Even with just a 788, this too is one that I can't see them leaving to a CX monopoly.

And finally a domestic one but I feel it really deserves a shoutout since it seems like it would be very useful;
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:30 am

Quoting JakeNorton (Reply 9):
Wasn't there some rumour last year with their 787-8 / -9 aircraft coming to BNE ? Or am i totally wrong??

I believe you are thinking of AC.

Quoting S75752 (Reply 10):
EWR-DXB before EK does. They missed their chance with ORD, I can't see them missing their chance with EWR.

There is no real comparison between UA and DL flying to DXB and EK flying to DXB. The US carriers are almost entirely dependent on DXB O&D, whereas EK isn't. It is therefore much, much, much easier for EK to enter any new market from DXB than for UA to do so. Moreover, given the connection potential, UA serving a market is unlikely to ever stop EK from doing the same.

Quoting S75752 (Reply 10):
SFO-BNE This seems like a no brainer,

With VA about to increase BNE-LAX to daily, the BNE-USA market is going to become very saturated. I posted the figures in another thread, but BNE-LAX was only going to have 25 fewer seats per day between QF 747 and VA 77W than MEL-LAX with QF 388 and UA 789. Admittedly I calculated that before QF announced that they were making MEL-LAX 10x weekly, which probably averages at about 180 additional daily seats, but the Melbourne Metro is double the size of Brisbane Metro. While the recent QF announcement possibly makes it slightly less likely, I would suggest that SFO-MEL is a real possibility if LAX-MEL is even remotely successful. Given that the 3 QF frequencies basically replace the 3 VA frequencies one-for-one, there is no real change in the market dynamics.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:48 am

I would like to see;

Manchester UK to Chicago ORD
Newcastle UK to Newark EWR

Both with the 75W

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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:58 am

SFO-BNE 787 Nobody on this route
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:04 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 11):
With VA about to increase BNE-LAX to daily, the BNE-USA market is going to become very saturated.

While that is indeed true, the primary reason I bring up BNE is that unlike MEL, it is likely very do able at its range with a little 788, rather than having to go all the way with a large 789. Likewise, it is a route that UA would have all to themselves, plus their connection infrastructure at SFO. Same with MEL.

On the US side, QF relies on AA, VA relies on DL (and VX??? I couldn't find any codesharing), DL relies on itself, and UA gets to rely on itself. I suppose that is a bit of a disadvantage on the Australia side.

Apparently, UA seemed to be enough of a force to make VA go "Forget this!" on LAX-MEL... Something I honestly did not see coming at all!
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:42 am

Quoting S75752 (Reply 10):
LAX-HKG Even with just a 788, this too is one that I can't see them leaving to a CX monopoly.

United tried this route with a 744, and cut it for some reason. We flew it twice it was full both times each way. One ironic thing, is there must have been 20 people on the CRJ2 to PHX who were on the HKG 744 flight. It was short lived, so I assume full was not profitable in this case.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:43 am

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 13):
SFO-BNE 787 Nobody on this route
Quoting S75752 (Reply 14):
While that is indeed true, the primary reason I bring up BNE is that unlike MEL, it is likely very do able at its range with a little 788, rather than having to go all the way with a large 789.

Even the 788 is too much airplane for that route currently.

With so much capacity going into LAX from Australian airports, it will not be competitive to try and start on a route with such small O&D figures like BNE-SFO, given the likely lack of decent yields and a reliance on transit pax it would likely require.

Quoting S75752 (Reply 14):
Apparently, UA seemed to be enough of a force to make VA go "Forget this!" on LAX-MEL... Something I honestly did not see coming at all!

Given how weak VA's market position was on MEL-LAX, it was just sitting there ready to be taken, which then saw UA receive the perfect aircraft to do it and it made its move.

I for one was not shocked, especially given that UA's presence in the MEL market has been quite strategic for some time now, even as it had the chance to cut the tag service over the years if it wanted to. That seems to point to it having something up its sleeve once it got the chance.

VA/DL took their time getting around to making sure the 3 east coast markets were covered effectively (SYD, MEL,BNE) and wound up outmaneuvered quite easily in the end.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:31 pm

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 12):
I would like to see;

Manchester UK to Chicago ORD

I'd rather see AA keep the monopoly on that route, hopefully making the route's longevity a given, and for UA to give MAN a IAH route; more diversity for MAN, more choice for the customer. BP, for one, would be delighted with such a link.

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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:38 pm

EWR-BLR/DUS/DXB/JNB/ICN/PRG   
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:00 pm

UA has flown LAX-HKG on numerous occasions-the most recent was back in 2008 when it was cut alongside LAX-FRA during the beginning of the financial crisis. Both were flown with a 777. I can't remember when the flight was suspended before that, but it was flown with a 744 before.

There is a market for UA on LAX-HKG, the only problem would be they would be up against Cathay's multiple daily flights, flown on aircraft that are 100x more competitive than whatever UA would throw at the route.

I could see UA back on LAX-FRA as well.
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Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:21 pm

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 16):
With so much capacity going into LAX from Australian airports, it will not be competitive to try and start on a route with such small O&D figures like BNE-SFO, given the likely lack of decent yields and a reliance on transit pax it would likely require.

Why would there be particularly small O&D figures? And from which side?
Obviously it would be reliant on pax that are connecting through SFO, but aren't the LAX routes as well (via DL and AA)?
 
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Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:23 pm

I doubt we will see any new Australia routes from SFO.

In another thread, the O&D figures for US-AU flights were posted, and the figures were very LAX centric.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:25 pm

I wonder if we'll see UA in CAI anytime soon.
DL operated JFK-CAI using a 767 from 2008 as part of their massive Africa/Middle East expansion, but the route was axed a few years later. CO had announced EWR-CAI but never got around to operating their service.
CAI is of course a *A hub and can offer convenient connections to several African and Middle Eastern markets. The question would be whether UA would operate from IAD or EWR. IAD/EWR-CAI is doable with a 767, 777, and of course the 744, but I guess the optimal a/c would be the 787.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:39 pm

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 5):

Can you give us a clue?? The suspense is killing me!

[Edited 2014-08-31 06:48:47]
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:42 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):
I ask this because I was looking for jobs on united.com and looked under different countries and saw, among others, Russia, Indonesia, and Turkey.

I don't see those, but I do see City Ticket Office jobs in Santiago, Chile.

Quoting flyiguy (Reply 2):
PMCO used to be a sky team member and SVO is an Aeroflot hub and still a current sky team member...that's my best guess,

United previously flew to DME. Star Alliance carriers have pretty much (or all?) moved from SVO to DME.

Quoting S75752 (Reply 10):
IAD-EDI, given the success of other EDI routes.

What is driving the success here, especially ORD-EDI?
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:50 pm

It would be wise to fly ATL-AUH, as there is a new US immigration service that makes life easy to those who want to travel to USA from AUH.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:04 pm

As for LAX-HKG, I would not doubt this possibility. 789 or A350 can and should make it. Why is CTU accessible with 789 but not HKG?
I anticipate EWR-XMN to counter Xiamen Airlines service from FUZHOU.
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Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:22 pm

Not all of UA's new international routes have to be long haul. ORD-GUA has a decently sized local market and could support a 3 weekly flight easily; AV did it in the past (formerly known as Taca) but cut it when they centered everything at SAL. Connecting some Columbian cities to IAH could also work. I have no experience in this field but I don't think that the future of United international lies solely on long haul routes.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:33 pm

I would love to see UA add another city in Colormbia. MDE or Cali. Maybe back to GYE in Ecuador.

Of course there were rumors of JED/RUH with the 787.

I was just in CAI. Things are calm there now. They decided to nix CAI and sent the 777 to LOS instead.

What happened to the UAs 777 that was on SEA-NRT?
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:35 pm

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 6):
Quoting CALMSP (Reply 5):

Why must you do this to me?

Because he wants to keep his job! But more importantly, at least for we a-netters, he is a great source of information here.

CALMSP, didn't you used to be at MCO?
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:46 pm

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 26):

As for LAX-HKG,

I thought they quit that a few years ago as it was just not making money, fares were rock bottom on that. I suppose given these 787s coming online that might change the economics of it, but just not feeling that one.

CAI, the economy and political situation is in shambles. MS is not doing so hot financially. EWR-CAI not too sure on.


EWR-BLR at 8311 miles would still be hard even with the 787s or A350s, no matter how efficient the plane is you are still burning fuel to carry fuel. Perhaps if some large corporate contract.

My guess is some 2nd german city or central america.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:57 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 21):
In another thread, the O&D figures for US-AU flights were posted, and the figures were very LAX centric.

Are the flights a result of that, or is that a result of the flights?
DL, VA, and QF all have alliance or partner hubs on both ends, and UA only has the LAX end, yet they still jump bravely in to the fray of MEL, and apparently somehow push aside VA on that... Surely a lot of that is connections within the USA.

I simply can't wrap my head around SFO not being able to handle a small UA 788 on a non daily basis to BNE with its own connections throughout the US, while LAX can fill 744's and 77W's. Would MEL stand a better chance?

(On the other hand, I am also surprised LAX's goldmine O&D isn't enough to keep 744's on HKG and NRT.)

I think I saw the list of O&D in another thread a while ago but I don't remember the thread, if anyone knows which one off the top of their head, please do mention it.

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 24):
What is driving the success here, especially ORD-EDI?

That's honestly what I'd like to know. 2x EWR + Irregular ORD is interesting. Any info on how the ORD one is doing?
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:33 pm

Quoting ORDJOE (Reply 30):
CAI, the economy and political situation is in shambles. MS is not doing so hot financially. EWR-CAI not too sure on.

I thought UA announced EWR-CAI and never started it because of the civil unrest in Egypt?

Quoting ORDJOE (Reply 30):
EWR-BLR at 8311 miles would still be hard even with the 787s or A350s, no matter how efficient the plane is you are still burning fuel to carry fuel. Perhaps if some large corporate contract.

I heard SFO-BLR and it's even longer than EWR. Give SFO the TLV route and let EWR handle India.
 
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Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:40 pm

Quoting fxramper (Reply 18):
EWR-BLR

Music to my ears  
Quoting ORDJOE (Reply 30):
EWR-BLR at 8311 miles would still be hard even with the 787s or A350s, no matter how efficient the plane is you are still burning fuel to carry fuel. Perhaps if some large corporate contract.

I agree - EWR-BLR is not going to be a cheap route, and UA should only start if if they have some corporate contracts. If that were the case, I can imagine it being more from SFO and less from EWR.

Quoting fxramper (Reply 32):
I heard SFO-BLR and it's even longer than EWR. Give SFO the TLV route and let EWR handle India.

In my view the best option would be for UA/NH to start a NRT-BLR as a part of their JV - that way UA's NRT hub can be extended to BLR.
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Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:46 pm

Quoting fxramper (Reply 32):
I heard SFO-BLR and it's even longer than EWR. Give SFO the TLV route and let EWR handle India.
Quoting ORDJOE (Reply 30):
EWR-BLR at 8311 miles would still be hard even with the 787s or A350s, no matter how efficient the plane is you are still burning fuel to carry fuel. Perhaps if some large corporate contract.

Why would EWR even need BLR? AI just joined *A so let them take care of it via DEL or BOM. EWR-BLR nearly overflies BOM and AMD anyways.

Both TLV and DEL make great sense for SFO, but DEL is most necessary. TLV can at least be handled nicely by the new TK via IST if necessary. EWR is a terrible place to connect to India from the west coast, and SFO to India doesn't overfly close to any stopping points except YVR or ANC if range really is an issue.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:53 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 19):
I could see UA back on LAX-FRA as well.

Unless there is not enough capacity on LAX-FRA, I don't think duplicating a route that an alliance partner flies makes much sense. FRA and MUC are both served from every UA hub (except for DEN-MUC) and that's pretty solid coverage.

I have no idea what's on the horizon for UA. They might be planning to pull another "CTU" and open an entirely new market or they might try to get into the fray of an existing market where they have limited or no hub presence. (DEN-LHR or EWR-GIG etc.) I wouldn't mind seeing them give AA a little 'love' south of the border instead of letting AA have monopolies in so many markets.

Quoting ORDJOE (Reply 30):
EWR-BLR at 8311 miles would still be hard even with the 787s or A350s, no matter how efficient the plane is

   It will always be hard to compete, and be profitable, for the Indian traffic against the ME3s and their lower labor costs and shiny, new planes. Now that AI is part of Star, there might be something brewing.

At least 2015 will be a year when UA acquires more planes than they shed so hopefully they can get back in the game, get their labor house in order and start running an airline again instead of spending so much time and money on a merger process that never seems to end.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:02 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 35):

I have no idea what's on the horizon for UA. They might be planning to pull another "CTU" and open an entirely new market or they might try to get into the fray of an existing market where they have limited or no hub presence. (DEN-LHR or EWR-GIG etc.) I wouldn't mind seeing them give AA a little 'love' south of the border instead of letting AA have monopolies in so many markets.

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 35):

I'd love to see the return of DEN-LHR, and while a 772 couldn't do it the last two times around, perhaps a 788 could this time. Plane capacity was one of the main reasons why they stayed out of DEN-NRT for so long.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:07 pm

I could see a IAH-DUS with a 787 perhaps.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:08 pm

I don't see United expanding much right now. The economy isn't too stable, and they have major business markets covered.

EUROPE
EWR-KEF: already served by Icelandair, and Delta has seasonal service from JFK. So that sounds excessive.

EWR-NCL: American tried to open JFK-NCL, had a celebratory party, but never served the market. Maybe not enough money.

EWR/IAD-DME: Both American and United tried and failed with Moscow service. I guess the market isn't as good as some others. They might have made money, but there was more money somewhere else. And United still has the codeshare with Singapore Airlines from Houston.

IAH-CDG: I miss that flight, but I think it was useful under SkyTeam, not so much under Star Alliance.

I was sad to see STR go. I always heard that was a high-yield market. But I guess it wasn't high-yield ENOUGH. They may have struggled with the range of the 757-200, and they have to compete with Delta from Atlanta.

I remain surprised that CPH stopped. But I guess the codeshare with SAS is strong enough that they don't need it. I imagine that the same would apply for Bergen: it's easy to get to Bergen through any number of connections, so I don't know if a direct flight from Newark would be useful. Norway, however, has a much stronger economy than many places.

The same for Vienna. United probably has no need for Vienna service on their own metal since AUA has the US East Coast gateways covered.

The only secondary European market that occurs to me is Nice. I was under the impression that NCE was very profitable for Delta, but the French economy is lagging, so that may not be up for any consideration.

Helsinki is covered by Finnair and American. St. Petersburg is far and relatively small. Prague and Warsaw are easily accessible through Star Alliance connections. And they're comparatively small markets without the same economic draw as some markets.


MIDDLE EAST
Additional TLV flights: my understanding is that United does not want to add additional service to Tel Aviv because it would dilute the revenue. They make so much money off of flights 84 and 90. If they added another flight, they could reduce load factors, have cheaper fares, etc.

Given that United already dropped Bahrain, I don't know if they're really interested in pursuing much more in the Gulf.

Egypt's economic and political situation, sadly, isn't good right now.

Istanbul didn't work. And it is very well served from just about everywhere by THY. There just isn't a need for United to serve Istanbul with its own aircraft.


AFRICA
Delta has reduced its presence substantially, which speaks to the possible low revenues on West African flights. And United already dropped Accra.

I remember United announcing Johannesburg service in the early 90s. And I think they were going to go by way of São Paulo. At this point, they already have the SAA codeshare, and I don't see this happening any time soon.

Luanda has a booming economy. But I don't know if there is enough traffic to warrant a flight on a US carrier. Delta announced it but never served it. Maybe the weekly charter from Houston is enough to fill seats for the oil business. Otherwise, there are connections through Europe or South Africa.


AUSTRALIA/SOUTH PACIFIC
Yes, I'd love to see Auckland come back. But every US airline except Hawaiian (American, Northwest, Continental, United) dropped the market. Air New Zealand and Hawaiian have it covered.

I'm not sure about Brisbane. United used to fly there, but it's far, and maybe not a strong enough market compared with Sydney and Melbourne.


SOUTH AMERICA
Brasilia needs the right aircraft (not a Brasilia--ha ha). And it is already served from Atlanta and Miami. So I'm not sure if that would work.

The more likely service would be San Francisco-São Paulo. That would mean that United would have service to São Paulo from each of its US international hubs except Los Angeles. But I do not know if there is enough traffic to support it.


ASIA
I know very little about the Asian market. So if any expansion happens, I'd put my money on Asian markets, especially from SFO.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:21 pm

Quoting S75752 (Reply 34):
Why would EWR even need BLR? AI just joined *A so let them take care of it via DEL or BOM. EWR-BLR nearly overflies BOM and AMD anyways.

Just so you know, though AI is a part of star, UA does not currently sell domestic through flights on AI, they continue to sell 9W as the domestic connecting service. And why would EWR need BLR - I agree - not much reason - SFO-BLR is far more relevant. However given UA already has 2 India services running ex-EWR, I'm not sure if that in any way makes EWR as a better bet for a 3rd Indian destination.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:49 pm

Quoting S75752 (Reply 10):
IAD-EDI, given the success of other EDI routes

Doubt it. think there will be some rationalisation of the existing three peak summer UA EDI services that went this year as loads appear to have be diluted somewhat
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:51 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 39):

Just so you know, though AI is a part of star, UA does not currently sell domestic through flights on AI, they continue to sell 9W as the domestic connecting service.

Oh wow... I bet that makes things awkward and complicated! Any chance they might start with AI if/when the 9W contract expires?

Quoting Nimish (Reply 39):
And why would EWR need BLR - I agree - not much reason - SFO-BLR is far more relevant. However given UA already has 2 India services running ex-EWR, I'm not sure if that in any way makes EWR as a better bet for a 3rd Indian destination.

SFO-BLR is far out of range of anything carriers on either end have so that's out of the question, SFO-BOM would also be pushing range a bit too far, but SFO-DEL seems not only likely but inevitable. It's within 789 range (LAX-MEL is longer), and all the existing 1-stop routes are far out of the way with EWR being one of the worst in that regard.

What I would like to see is UA taking on a nonstop SFO-DEL with their 789, and AI take on a YVR-DEL with their 788.
I'd be willing to bet an SFO-DEL seeing a 772 upguage in time, possibly AI taking over with a 77W to DEL or adding BOM.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:57 pm

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 24):

I know that, I used to work the flint from IAD. He was referring, asking why a PMCO 767-400 would be flying into SVO.

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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:30 pm

SFO - TLV makes great sense given the difficulty for premium pax to find available premium seats on the transcon connectors to EWR. It is my understanding that many simply connect in the EU rather than deal with the potential 5 hours in coach.

BUT, me thinks it will be a new route to the APAC region with the 787s.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:35 pm

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 1):
I can see VIE working from any hub to link in with the OS east Europe network.

OS currently flies to both ORD and IAD - key UA hubs so fat chance for that one, maybe EWR since OS flies to JFK.
However, OS network has shrank and it is not what it used to be years ago. There is more coverage from FRA and MUC with LH, so this one is not happening any time soon.
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:46 pm

I'm going to throw ORD or IAH to DUB into the mix
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:53 pm

I will throw IAH-PVG or IAH- TPE
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:49 pm

I know this thread didn't predicate new routes, so I could see EWR-BOM x2 or EWR-TLV x3. I'm still scratching head for why EWR-EDI & EWR-DUB are 2x daily on 757.

Quoting ORDJOE (Reply 30):
My guess is some 2nd german city or central america.

Didn't UA/CO burn down the bridge on the way out of CGN? I don't know why EWR-STR is going away but maybe EWR-DUS can use the 757 frame.

Quoting DariusBieber (Reply 37):
I could see a IAH-DUS with a 787 perhaps.

Waste of a 787.   
 
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:17 pm

Quoting S75752 (Reply 31):
Are the flights a result of that, or is that a result of the flights?
Quoting S75752 (Reply 31):
Surely a lot of that is connections within the USA.

Here is the PDEW data posted by LAXintl in UA's New 789 To MEL...should Be From SFO Not LAX? (by jmc1975 Aug 9 2014 in Civil Aviation)

LAX-SYD: 530
LAX-MEL: 303
LAX-BNE: 234
LAX-AKL: 222
LAX-PER: 53
LAX-ADL: 40
LAX-CHC: 33
LAX-WLG: 26
LAX-CNS: 25

SFO-SYD: 134
SFO-AKL: 69
SFO-MEL: 57
SFO-BNE: 26

As you can see LAX dominates as the largest market to Australia/New Zealand. It is so far in front it is actually quite ridiculous but the "cultural" ties between Los Angeles and the South Pacific run deep, and this drives a massive amount of LAX traffic.

Just playing with the numbers, MEL-SFO actually does make a bit more sense than BNE-SFO if you want to focus on the connection potential. This surprised me, but 33% of capacity on SYD-LAX is O&D (going off the PDEW figures), about 40% for BNE-LAX, about 50% for MEL-LAX.

Quoting S75752 (Reply 31):
UA only has the LAX end, yet they still jump bravely in to the fray of MEL, and apparently somehow push aside VA on that

VA were tenuously hanging in the market anyway, and knew that they weren't competitive with 3x weekly frequency. The rumour was that VA and DL were looking to "fix" MEL and BNE, but dragged their feet on doing so, which meant that when UA came to town they had absolutely no strategy to respond. They folded and ceded the entire market, as they really didn't have any other choice apart from cancel BNE, make MEL daily, and deliberately start a capacity war in response to UA.

Quoting S75752 (Reply 31):
I simply can't wrap my head around SFO not being able to handle a small UA 788 on a non daily basis to BNE with its own connections throughout the US, while LAX can fill 744's and 77W's

It probably can on connections alone, but at what price? It's not yet clear what is going to happen to prices on BNE-LAX after VA dumps excess capacity into the market, but I expect that sitting out the next 12-24 months would be a smart strategy.

Quoting S75752 (Reply 31):
Would MEL stand a better chance?

If the plane could get there, undoubtedly yes. IMHO from a yield perspective a 789 to MEL 3x weekly makes more sense than a 788 to BNE, and as I said up-thread I think that this would be a good route if LAX-MEL is successful. 3 weekly would be the right frequency to start, as NZ did before working the route up to daily.

Quoting S75752 (Reply 31):
LAX's goldmine O&D isn't enough to keep 744's on HKG and NRT

There is basically no comparison between the Asian market and the South Pacific market. The Asian market is (1) vastly bigger, (2) much more competitive, (3) often runs on lower yields.
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RE: UAs Next International Service?

Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:49 pm

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 3):
Quoting TWA772LR (Thread starter):


military charter is why that bird was in Russia.

Russia doesn't sound like a likely destination for U.S. troops.

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