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Turkish Aviation September 2014

Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:39 pm

Wow,
Where did summer go??? So fast, here we are in September.


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Greetings Turkish Aviation Fans,
This thread comes to you from the sunny beaches of Southern Turkey.
As you might guess, it is all about sun, beach, food and beer these days for me.

I have very few things to mention:
-As I predicted, the Presidential 332 delivered right after the Presidential elections. May it serve the elected officials for many years to come, in peace.
-Third 77W of the new batch for TK is about to be delivered, within days.
-Congratulations to our a.net member "Wing". He now flies the A330 for TK.

Please join us with your news, photos, rumors and good old sense of humor.
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:53 pm

Thanks TK787 for starting the thread again.

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Where did summer go??? So fast, here we are in September.

How can it go if it has never come? Applies at least for Switzerland...
Here some people say "I love summer. It's my favourite day."

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
As I predicted, the Presidential 332 delivered right after the Presidential elections. May it serve the elected officials for many years to come, in peace.

Hope they will release picture of the interior. Taxpayers should know what is being bought with their money.

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Third 77W of the new batch for TK is about to be delivered, within days.

Nice to see the Triple Seven fleet becoming bigger. Will the 1st batch aircraft be adjusted to the new config? When are the Jet Airways aircraft going to leave?

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Congratulations to our a.net member "Wing". He now flies the A330 for TK.

Congrats also from my side!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:27 pm

I've following question:
I was thinking about giving TK WB service a try, since they are flying from September on OTP. Especially for 184,00 EUR, I think there is not much you can do wrong. However, doing the booking process there appear 2 different A330 models, one is noted simply as 33A and the other one as AIRBUS A330-203.
What's the difference?

Thanks in advance.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:58 pm

Thanks for a new thread. Indeed the Summer went by too fast and for the second year in a row Ireland actually got one !

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
As you might guess, it is all about sun, beach, food and beer these days for me.

Nothing wrong with that !  
Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 1):
Hope they will release picture of the interior. Taxpayers should know what is being bought with their money.

Well Im just curious to see what its like inside  

Has there been any update on Caribbean routes?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:28 pm

Any changes to winter schedule for Europe? TK still maintaining 3-4x daily to top markets? I need a trip soon. TK good option.

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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:30 pm

Yes summer is over, back to work or school now.

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 1):
Hope they will release picture of the interior. Taxpayers should know what is being bought with their mone

One of the Turkish papers had photos online last week.

Aircraft seats 90. Much needed jump in capacity over A319CJ.

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 1):
When are the Jet Airways aircraft going to leave?

They are off the schedule starting mid October, with planned redelivery late Oct/early November after maintenance work.

Quoting Transportatorul (Reply 2):
However, doing the booking process there appear 2 different A330 models,

Actually TK has 8 A330 versions.

332
33R
33Q
3GF
33J
33A
333
334
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:14 pm

So are we going to see TK make an order for the 777X in the coming months? Seems like a logical path if they intend to grow.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:45 am

After all these years and all that money spent this is the livery they come up with?????  
I am really disappointed.
Thanks to kokpit.aero for the link of the Turkish Presidential 332 paint scheme;

http://kokpit.aero/tc-tur-boyandi

Named "TUR", What???
"Bi TUR da bana verirler mi???"  Smile

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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:00 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 7):
After all these years and all that money spent this is the livery they come up with?????
I am really disappointed.

I guess its very ''official'' and no mistaking which country it belongs too !    
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:36 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 7):

After all these years and all that money spent this is the livery they come up with?????  
I am really disappointed.

As a humble peasant, my comment has no value: "Büyüklerimiz öyle uygun görmüş!"

If I were the decision maker, I'd go for a livery design competition open to public with a jury of experts (artists, managers from aviation industry, etc). This way, citizens would feel that it belongs to public and represents them. People would proud of it, no matter how much money spent for it. But wake up, we are only peasants.
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:04 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 7):
After all these years and all that money spent this is the livery they come up with?????
I am really disappointed.

It is one of the ugliest liveries ever. Almost on par with the new Iberia livery.
Especially the tail does not fit at all to the other painting scheme. Aircraft was painted in only 3 days, maybe that is the reason why it looks so shabby.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:33 pm

Not bad.
I think its quite bold. Maybe the type font could be different but the A330 its builds on the A319.


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Also I think its TC-TUR as TUR is the legal ISO code for Turkey and used by military, government, organizations, NGO's etc to reference Turkey.
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:59 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 7):
After all these years and all that money spent this is the livery they come up with?????
I am really disappointed.

Is it just me or does it look like the former AB livery?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:03 pm

Bottom of the fuselage with the thin stripes and off white color reminds me of Alia.


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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:47 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Actually TK has 8 A330 versions.

I am surprised that they have a less number of versions than numbers of aircraft...

Quoting Transportatorul (Reply 12):
Is it just me or does it look like the former AB livery?

That came into my mind as well.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:43 am

Thanks for another thread here's JJT http://paineairport.com/kpae10636.htm Delivery looks to be soon..
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:05 am

I will be flying to London tomorrow morning with one of 9W 777, this is going to be my first flight on 9W plane , what are the differences on business section between TK's own birds and these ones ? Are they still wet leased ?
 
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:50 am

 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:55 am

Client always says: "Make the logo bigger"  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:46 pm

Quoting umit (Reply 16):

I will be flying to London tomorrow morning with one of 9W 777, this is going to be my first flight on 9W plane , what are the differences on business section between TK's own birds and these ones ? Are they still wet leased ?

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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:44 pm

Quoting umit (Reply 16):

I will be flying to London tomorrow morning with one of 9W 777, this is going to be my first flight on 9W plane , what are the differences on business section between TK's own birds and these ones ? Are they still wet leased ?

For a solo traveler, 9W business class seats are perfect, despite as a family classic seats of TK birds are preferable. Also 9W birds have very large and beautiful business class lavatories, a perfect design for members of mile high club.  
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:30 am

I'll possibly have a visit to ULN in 15 days. I've checked TK website but strangely on IST-ULN leg there are 5 weekly flights and on ULN-IST leg there are only 3. More interestingly I can not get general weekly flight planning on Flight Schedule page: ULN is not defined at all. Can someone find the weekly flight schedule and aircraft types? Is there any reasonable alternative to TK for someone originating from ESB and going to ULN?
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:58 pm

Per GDS

TK342 IST-ULN 1905-1005+1 737 MoWeFr
TK343 ULN-IST 1105-1720 737 TuThSa

Flights are 1-stop via Bishkek

I looked at week of Sept. 22.

If you don't want to go TK from IST, you could go via Aeroflot from Moscow, or MIAT Mongol from FRA or SVO also but it means getting to those cities and longer overall journey time.
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:19 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):

TK342 IST-ULN 1905-1005+1 737 MoWeFr
TK343 ULN-IST 1105-1720 737 TuThSa

that's a hell of a trip, first flying 5hrs+ to FRU and than another 4hrs with the same 737 to ULN...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:29 pm

Too bad there is no plane that holds about 150 seats with near 8-10-hour range.

I know TK has wanted to launch service to URC (Urumqi China), but looks to be just outside the 739ER performance envelope. Maybe the future MAX/NEO can do it?
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:23 pm

New B777 TC-JJT had the delivery flight yesterday. Now in Istanbul.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Sat Sep 06, 2014 5:44 am

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 25):
New B777 TC-JJT had the delivery flight yesterday. Now in Istanbul.

With this 3rd frame PVG will be swapped to 77B in about 2 weeks. I keep following IAH and their 49 J section seems to be quite full.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:00 am

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 26):
I keep following IAH and their 49 J section seems to be quite full.

Good for TK.

I was one of the last people that flew out of the old Konya Terminal last night. The new terminal to be opened to day by the new PM. My first time in Konya, was kinda surprised that a city that size still has a tiny terminal from the 1980's with minimal facilities and only few dozen seats for waiting pax.
The new terminal looks 3 times the size, a glass box type taller building, standing right next to the old one. Also it was cool to see the 3 x Turkish AWACS 737s and the Turkish Stars on the tarmac.

IST Domestic terminal and traffic outside was crazy at 1:00 am. People are moving back to the city for the start of the school year but still... Can't imagine what it would look like tonight and tomorrow night.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:54 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 27):
Domestic terminal and traffic outside was crazy at 1:00 am. People are moving back to the city for the start of the school year but still... Can't imagine what it would look like tonight and tomorrow night.

You should see the Hadj returns,Approximetely 50 welcomers for each person arriving from hadj and try driving there after a 13 hour workday   
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Sun Sep 07, 2014 11:56 am

Unexpected outcome  
Changing the dates on my Y ticket IST-JFK, the date change fee was 322TL, an upgrade to Comfort was a mere 180TL more. Outstanding!!! I was ready to pay $350 upgrade fee at the airport.
Also this date/class change made my V class ticket move up to A Class.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Sun Sep 07, 2014 2:15 pm

Is TK planning to fly to Colombia? I read somewhere it is one of their planned destinations in the coming year.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Sun Sep 07, 2014 7:21 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 29):
Unexpected outcome

Great. Sometimes things work out well. Enjoy your flight.

Quoting Flightlover (Reply 30):
Is TK planning to fly to Colombia? I read somewhere it is one of their planned destinations in the coming year.

Yes.

Four intended destinations in Latin America have been announced - BOG, CCS, HAV & MEX
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:06 pm

one question:
what is the real range of TK s A321 and A 320.


according to airbus it is around 4-5 K KM, however ar skylife and web page of TK it was 3350 KM, later they deleted range info. I know , TK deploys to some CIS cities, KBL and Lisbon which are more than 3350 Km, so I am confused, is there any body to help me to understand it, maybe laxint
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:40 pm

Quoting wing (Reply 28):
You should see the Hadj returns,Approximetely 50 welcomers for each person arriving from hadj and try driving there after a 13 hour workday

I hated them with passion when I worked as a tourist guide in high school.
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:20 am

DHMI released the Aug 14 pax figures of Turkish airports.
For Sep13 - Aug14 (12 months) i calculate pax numbers as follows:

IST: 54.948.593
SAW: 22.301.390
AYT: 28.540.608
ESB: 11.118.774
ADB: 10.657.472

I guess IST has passed AMS to become 4th busiest airport in Europe... 10% growth necessary to also pass FRA.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:51 am

Thanks Laxintl and TK 105
I completed my travel in both 9W . Actually I kind of liked A-330 and TK's own 777's business classes more comparing to 9W. I am surprised that all announcements by the cockpit was in English. Good load on both ways . Very interestingly plane did not circle around UK/London and landed in 3h10 minutes even the return trip to Istanbul took 3h30 minutes. While terminal 2 looks much better the where TK used to use , it has a long way to walk to out of terminal .
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:32 pm

TK's new 77B without CC went to YYZ today.Were there too few CC passengers, so that they were able to upgrade the CC passengers to J?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:52 pm

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 36):
TK's new 77B without CC went to YYZ today.Were there too few CC passengers, so that they were able to upgrade the CC passengers to J?

Kinda unexpected right??

Nice TR about TK and Turkey I thought:"
Go Turkey (Jetstar, Turkish J/Y, Pegasus And SQ J) (by ycp81 Aug 30 2014 in Trip Reports)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:57 pm

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 32):

one question:
what is the real range of TK s A321 and A 320.
according to airbus it is around 4-5 K KM, however ar skylife and web page of TK it was 3350 KM, later they deleted range info. I know , TK deploys to some CIS cities, KBL and Lisbon which are more than 3350 Km, so I am confused, is there any body to help me to understand it, maybe laxint

There are tons of variables, so don't fall for marketing claims.

First numbers can be presented in different units that create confusion - KM, SM (statue miles) or NM (nautical miles).

Then you need to remember airplanes have weight options. Airbus might be displaying performance based on its max weight version - for example 78.0tons on A320, while many of the TK fleet are lighter 73.5ton versions.

You also then have carrier specific issues such as limitations based on its hub airport runways, altitudes, fuel policy, average payload carried, etc.
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:02 pm

thank u very much for detailed info laxint.
what is interesting for me is that, TK announced range as 3,350 KM for 320/331 later deleted range from web page and deployed aircraft to destinatons such as casablanca.kbl,bishkek,tashkent,dushanbe, lisbon which are either more than 3350 or close to 3350 km
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:45 pm

I've just received an SMS from Onur Air. Apparently they are turning back to scheduled European operations. Daily flights to Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Dusseldorf and 3 weekly to Vienna starting from October 26th.

Is it a new strategy to get back on track? Any news on how they've been doing?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:41 pm

Quoting boun (Reply 40):
Is it a new strategy to get back on track? Any news on how they've been doing?

Yes its a new strategy, with new owners and management.

Basically they seek to become the primary Turkish LCC based at IST. The new network schedules will be banked so you will be able to fly from Anatolian points to IST and connect to the Europe flights in the morning, and do return in the afternoon with connections back to domestic cities.

Basically a baby TK hub version  

Keep in mind however they have been serving many of these destinations already, just on charter basis, so now they are going after also direct sales from consumers.

In addition they just commenced new service to Ganja Azerbaijan. I have heard they will also add new domestic markets like Kayseri, but drop a couple like Erzurum and Elazig.
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:27 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 38):
Quoting ist2014 (Reply 32):

one question:
what is the real range of TK s A321 and A 320.
according to airbus it is around 4-5 K KM, however ar skylife and web page of TK it was 3350 KM, later they deleted range info. I know , TK deploys to some CIS cities, KBL and Lisbon which are more than 3350 Km, so I am confused, is there any body to help me to understand it, maybe laxint

There are tons of variables, so don't fall for marketing claims.

First numbers can be presented in different units that create confusion - KM, SM (statue miles) or NM (nautical miles).

Then you need to remember airplanes have weight options. Airbus might be displaying performance based on its max weight version - for example 78.0tons on A320, while many of the TK fleet are lighter 73.5ton versions.

Generally a press worker is an average guy,mostly who has no interest and knowledge in aviation and airplanes in general.When the editor asks him/her to prepare the pages,probably makes a google search and comes up with the first numbers he/she can find.Skylife magazine and web page staff are just journalists,most can not differ airbus from boeing let alone knowing the range and specific staff.Shortly mistakes about Boeingbus 321-800 are typically normal  

An A320 with certified take off weight of 73.5 and 78 tons has actually no difference in range,both can fill the same amount of fuel in their fuel tanks.There are actually no weight difference between the two aircraft except the certificate paper they carry on board.Airbus requests money to upgrade the airplane to 78 tons.THY choose 73.5 mtow to be in the lower segment of overflight landing fees.
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:43 pm

Quoting wing (Reply 42):
There are actually no weight difference between the two aircraft except the certificate paper they carry on board.Airbus requests money to upgrade the airplane to 78 tons.THY choose 73.5 mtow to be in the lower segment of overflight landing fees.

Interesting story ==> During original order TK was about to get 77ton A320 fleet, but at last minute (days prior to signing) leadership asked for a further discount, and Airbus agreed but changed to lighter 73.5ton version.

Once discovered what their executives did the TK commercial folks got upset, as it meant not being able to schedule the A320 to places like Scandinavia or deeper into Middle East as original analysis intention and had to use 738 instead.
However since as part of some of the A330 orders, TK managed to get Airbus to provide higher weight authority.

Range difference @ 150 seats is about 400-500nm, or about little more than 1hr flight time.

p.s. - I dont show TK having any of latest 78ton versions. Only mix between 73.5 and 77ton.

[Edited 2014-09-10 14:03:02]
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:43 pm

Any news on Pegasus ? I will be flying them next year. Seems pretty decent LCC. I think they've added a few routes.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:20 pm

thank u for reply.
to complete puzzle, i think when they ordered second time in 2010(14+6) they went on hgw version and consequently higher range and perhaps these birds are deployed at places i mentioned ( in addition to later certifications)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:03 pm

Personally, I am quite happy about Onur Air. I always liked them.

How much can they actually grow at IST given the congestion and the limited number of slots available?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:05 am

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 43):
nteresting story ==> During original order TK was about to get 77ton A320 fleet, but at last minute (days prior to signing) leadership asked for a further discount, and Airbus agreed but changed to lighter 73.5ton version.

I was not in the room when the officials made negotiations and deals but sounds kind of not logical.I don't think the suppliers can make configuration changes by their own to compensate discounts.What if TK asked further discount, Airbus deliver the airplanes with one wing?  
Quoting mercure1 (Reply 43):
Once discovered what their executives did the TK commercial folks got upset, as it meant not being able to schedule the A320 to places like Scandinavia or deeper into Middle East as original analysis intention and had to use 738 instead.

I can believe this more rather than the other one, although I havent heard anything specific about this but ,there had been and still are lots of problems since the departments does not have enough communications between each other.

When we first recieved the A320's and 321's we didnt recieved enough cargo containers for outstations.So the problem was not the range mainly but the outstations specificly didnt want the A320.When A320/321 arrived they had to unload the airplanes cargo containers,take it to baggage area unload and reload it,take it back to airplane.Double work load compared to 737.They solved the problem by getting extra containers.   
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:21 pm

Quoting wing (Reply 47):
I was not in the room when the officials made negotiations and deals but sounds kind of not logical.I don't think the suppliers can make configuration changes by their own to compensate discounts.What if TK asked further discount, Airbus deliver the airplanes with one wing?

The 73.5t A320 planes were substituted when TK wanted further revised terms. Airbus did not cheat TK or anything and openly said what they could do and proposed the 73.5 planes in return for the better pricing. TK executives(board) agreed to the substitution and approve contract.
If you participate in any contract formulation you will see there are lots of variables that come in and out of agreement. There are many features and options that parties negotiate over. For example Airbus can thrown in or take out host of features on aircraft from cabin furnishings, avionic packages, weights, pilot and mechanic training credits, parts, future support agreements, etc.
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RE: Turkish Aviation September 2014

Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:27 pm

Quoting boun (Reply 40):

Interesting move and will be eager to see how it works out for them. We have seen their charters for years here at DUB and although only on a charter basis seat only was available from the T.O.

Their choice of scheduled routes is no surprise though. Will be interesting to see their fares.

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Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos