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Australian Aviation Thread 105

Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:10 am

Welcome to the 105th instalment of Australian Aviation. Can you believe that we are already 5% of the way to our next century?!?! Time flies….

In 104 we touched on:

*Qantas Loyalty is not for sale
*MEL passenger numbers up 10% YOY in July
*Qantas top on-time performance for 19th month
*Qantas announce new domestic catering concept
*JQflightie likes Lindt chocolate balls
*Qantas announce additional MEL-LAX and SYD-SCL flights, QF107/108 re-timed
*BITRE data for May
*CASA approves gate-to-gate electronic usage
*Qantas and Virgin Australia announce FY14 results
*Qantas retiring two A330s and two 737s, taking delivery of 5 737s and one Q400
*John McCormick, CASA chief, has retired
*Discussion about “lines in the sand”, “cornerstone investors”, 777s … the usual
*Blah, blah, blah
*Discussion about the future of LDH post-Q200
*Rumour that VA is considering PER-SIN
*60 Minutes covering 767 retirement to VCV
*Qantas set to announce service to Wallcamp
*Xiamen Airlines interested in service to Australia
Australian Aviation Thread Part 104 (by 777ER Aug 19 2014 in Civil Aviation)


It came to my attention during the last thread that Koruman is, sadly, no longer with us. In his absence, I would like to say a few words. Koruman was a polarising figure on this website, and trying to engage in a discussion with him could be, shall we say, frustrating at times. His opinions about Alan Joyce, Jetstar, Gold Coast/Coolangatta airport etc. are legendary, and while some of his ideas lacked commercial basis (to put it politely, outright irrational might be another term), Koruman was truly passionate about aviation in Australia and New Zealand, and for that we should not knock him. His plans to re-shape the aviation industry in Australia had an almost child-like innocence about them, a Gatsby-esque quality, but Koruman had a dream that aviation in Australia and New Zealand could be so much more than what it is, and I sincerely hope that is what he is remembered for.

So long Koruman, godspeed, and I hope that our paths have the chance to cross again.

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Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:27 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Thread starter):
*60 Minutes covering 767 retirement to VCV

I'm just curious what route the QF 767s would fly to VCV? I am guessing a stop in HNL then straight on to VCV?

Also, it would be nice if aviation enthusiats could purchase tickets to ride on one of these legs - that would offset a fraction of the fuel costs  
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Australian Aviation Thread 105

Wed Sep 03, 2014 2:16 am

From the last thread...

I'll just post this to keep the discussion going:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 200):
Because of China's "one airline policy" PEK-SYD/MEL, PVG-SYD/MEL, and CAN-SYD/MEL/PER/BNE are out. I honestly wonder if it would make more sense for them to try one of PEK/PVG-BNE/PER than something left-field like XMN-SYD or FOC-MEL.


And Sydscott posted this quote from CAPA:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 201):
Losses in Australia are narrowing, and it is uncertain if China Southern will be able to meet growth targets. Australia is content to dispense additional traffic rights to China but the Chinese government has held off so airlines can first improve their financial position on existing Australian services – a strong play of hand that indicates weakness but also Beijing’s concerns that airlines do not always act as rationally as they should

That is fascinating, and it is interesting that the Chinese government are mindful of the competitive situation in Australia when approving new routes.

Out of interest how many "secondary" Chinese markets are served from Australia? I know that MU (or is it CA?) fly SYD-NKG, and 3U fly SYD-CKG and MEL-CTU. Any others?
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 2:26 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 1):
I'm just curious what route the QF 767s would fly to VCV? I am guessing a stop in HNL then straight on to VCV?

They've generally been going SYD-LAX-VCV.

Re the 787 Japan issues, I believe GE has been rolling out a software fix for all GEnx engines that removes the restrictions, thus allowing the older airframes to operate to Japan.
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 2:33 am

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 3):
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 1):
I'm just curious what route the QF 767s would fly to VCV? I am guessing a stop in HNL then straight on to VCV?

They've generally been going SYD-LAX-VCV.

I guess the 767-300ER can make SYD-LAX non-stop without pax / cargo... I always wondered that... How close to the max / empty range limit is that though? Does it land on just fumes or have a bit of juice left in the tank (I hope so if a hold or go-around or two is needed)? I'd love to do SYD-LAX on a QF 763ER... I will miss those birds when they are all gone. 2-3-2 in Y is almost impossible to beat from a passenger perspective IMO...
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:02 am

Interesting about the China-Australia route discussion.

Interestingly, China does allow some room for movement on certain routes. MU and CA both operate MEL/SYD-PVG (The MEL CA flight is MEL-PVG-PEK), but this would have been before the latest round of CZ led growth into Australian markets.

Overall, with many new routes and frequencies added, it is a smart move to consolidate the existing services, rather than taking on routes that will struggle at this stage (ie.low yield secondary China markets).
 
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:14 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 4):
Does it land on just fumes or have a bit of juice left in the tank (I hope so if a hold or go-around or two is needed)?

It would still have to meet regulatory minimums.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 5):
China does allow some room for movement on certain routes. MU and CA both operate

CA is the exception. Because they enjoy a very cosy relationship with the halls of power in Beijing they can get "exemptions" that allow them to compete with domestic carriers. The same opportunities do not exist for MU and CZ (plus the plethora of smaller carriers). That said, this doesn't preclude carriers competing in the same market if they go to a different airport, hence HU are launching PEK-EWR (CA already fly PEK-JFK). If CA drop LGW then I expect HU will immediately apply for PEK-LGW, although that is probably a good enough reason for CA to maintain the route, even if it is loss making!
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:38 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 2):
From the last thread...
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 200):
Because of China's "one airline policy" PEK-SYD/MEL, PVG-SYD/MEL, and CAN-SYD/MEL/PER/BNE are out. I honestly wonder if it would make more sense for them to try one of PEK/PVG-BNE/PER than something left-field like XMN-SYD or FOC-MEL.

IIRC HU operated SYD-SZX-HGH 3x weekly and it didn't last long. Against 4x daily CX to HKG would be tough for anyone flying SYD-SZX. Maybe BNE-PVG-PEK to kill two birds with one stone?

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 2):

And Sydscott posted this quote from CAPA:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 201):
Losses in Australia are narrowing, and it is uncertain if China Southern will be able to meet growth targets. Australia is content to dispense additional traffic rights to China but the Chinese government has held off so airlines can first improve their financial position on existing Australian services – a strong play of hand that indicates weakness but also Beijing’s concerns that airlines do not always act as rationally as they should

That is fascinating, and it is interesting that the Chinese government are mindful of the competitive situation in Australia when approving new routes.

Probably because the Chinese government ultimately owns all Chinese carriers. If MU/CZ/CA are loss-making then Beijing loses out. 3U's flying to SYD/MEL is subsidised by the regional provinces so I guess Beijing allows it for now.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 2):

Out of interest how many "secondary" Chinese markets are served from Australia? I know that MU (or is it CA?) fly SYD-NKG, and 3U fly SYD-CKG and MEL-CTU. Any others?

MU flies SYD-NKG-PEK, probably to allow them to have a direct SYD-PEK flight (since CA already claimed SYD-PEK non-stop).
 
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:18 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 5):
Overall, with many new routes and frequencies added, it is a smart move to consolidate the existing services, rather than taking on routes that will struggle at this stage (ie.low yield secondary China markets).
Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 7):
Probably because the Chinese government ultimately owns all Chinese carriers. If MU/CZ/CA are loss-making then Beijing loses out. 3U's flying to SYD/MEL is subsidised by the regional provinces so I guess Beijing allows it for now

I agree with both of your statements. I think the Chinese, and especially those at China Eastern and China Southern who are probably more exposed to Australia than is Air China, are smart enough to look at what has happened in Southeast Asia and to not just dump a whole lot of capacity into the market. That is a smart and prudent thing to do and with Cathay bilaterally constrained it means that, hopefully, decent returns can be generated over the medium to long term as capacity grows with the market rather than ahead of it.

The CAPA article also has has some interesting stats on China Southern and its sixth freedom traffic but note that it is starting from almost nothing:

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...14-and-faces-new-challenges-184932

Fair Use Excerpt "China Southern's international transit passengers grew 5% to 1,062,000 in 1H2014 compared to 1H2013, while sixth freedom passengers grew 6.8% to 225,000. China Southern carried about 5.3 million international passengers in 1H2014, indicating its sixth freedom role is still very small. Assuming the 225,000 sixth freedom passengers are defined as having taken two international flights, sixth freedom traffic comprises under 9% of China Southern’s total international carriage. Meanwhile weekly hundreds of thousands of sixth freedom seats out of Australia alone fly via Hong Kong, Singapore, Dubai and other points."

I think there is plenty of existing capacity for someone like China Southern to aggressively its share of sixth freedom and transit traffic on existing services without having to build up frequencies as yet.
 
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:41 am

QantasLink has announced Wellcamp services from this coming November:

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/med...port-takes-flight-with-qantas-deal

Twice daily Mon-Fri and daily on weekends, to SYD with Q400s.
 
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:47 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 9):
QantasLink has announced Wellcamp services from this coming November:

It's on the route map:

http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/route-maps/global/en

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Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:28 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 1):
I'm just curious what route the QF 767s would fly to VCV? I am guessing a stop in HNL then straight on to VCV?

The ferry flights usually operate direct SYD-VCV.

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Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:12 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 9):
QantasLink has announced Wellcamp services from this coming November:

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/med...port-takes-flight-with-qantas-deal

Twice daily Mon-Fri and daily on weekends, to SYD with Q400s.

Expect to see VA on the route? Could out-do QF and put the E190 on it...
 
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:16 am

^^

I wouldn't expect VA to put business class to WTB/YBWW. Perhaps the Skywest (VA Regional) ATR72s?
 
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:32 am

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Expect to see VA on the route?

The Two Airline Policy Redux?

You're probably right, but I wish there was a more interesting way.

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Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:38 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 12):
Expect to see VA on the route? Could out-do QF and put the E190 on it...

I wonder if a JQ or TT flight a few times weekly would work to MEL?

As was stated in a subsequent post, can't see QF or VA putting J class into the market.
 
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:47 am

I really can't see huge demand for this airport so will be surprised if VA join QF any time soon. Toowoomba is a lovely regional city but it is hardly a tourist hotspot and whilst it will get some FIFO traffic from the developing CSG industry in the region, most of this is centred around Roma which is further west and has its own services already. Calling it Brisbane West is disingenuous. Even Ryanair wouldn't fly to Wellcamp and call it Brisbane. It is 140kms west of the city and over an hour's drive from Ipswich which is near the western edge of the Brisbane urban sprawl.

I note from the Wellcamp website that they continue to claim that Wellcamp is the first privately built public airport in Australia which I think is incorrect. I would've thought that honour belonged to HTI which was privately developed by Ansett and Keith Williams in the '80s.
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:52 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 11):
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 1):
I'm just curious what route the QF 767s would fly to VCV? I am guessing a stop in HNL then straight on to VCV?

The ferry flights usually operate direct SYD-VCV.

Interesting that they haven't opted for the Alice Springs facility given that Tiger has aircraft there.
 
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:55 am

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 17):
Interesting that they haven't opted for the Alice Springs facility given that Tiger has aircraft there.

Are there facilities for scrapping aircraft at the ASP establishment? The Tiger A320s are not being parked permanently, so it makes sense to not fly them half-way around the world if you are just going to bring them back again. The QF 767s aren't coming back! CX has a 744F stored in China for the same reason (as opposed to the aircraft being retired which are ferried to Bruntingthorpe).
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:03 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 16):
I really can't see huge demand for this airport

They are going for the Toowoomba to Sydney market IMHO, and I think they will be relatively successful there. Toowoomba is larger than the likes of Wagga Wagga, Orange, Tamworth, Armidale and Albury-Wodonga which support flights to Syndey on QF, and while those are actually in NSW, Toowoomba is a relatively large market and I'm sure a couple of flights a day to Sydney won't be hard to fill. Put it this way, if ARM is now up to 6 flights between QF and Rex, 2 to TWB should be a diddle to fill.

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 16):
Calling it Brisbane West is disingenuous

More like stupid, I think they need to market it as Toowoomba.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 17):
Interesting that they haven't opted for the Alice Springs facility given that Tiger has aircraft there

It's possible that OGG could be destined for WS.
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:10 am

Quoting sq256 (Reply 13):

Agree but if they did use E90s it would operate as all Y class like they do with Cloncurry and Broome. The E90 would be a too costly proposition for the route and would be better served by the ATRs.

Skytrans has also waved the white flag and will cancel its existing Toowoomba-Sydney services at a date to be announced - source
 
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:22 am

How much longer will QF use the B747 on the LAX-SYD route on QF108? I just flew that last Saturday. Overall the flight was nice, once we got up. After we pushed back from the gate at LAX, the captain said that he was having problems getting #4 fired up and we had to get pushed back to the gate for assistance to get #4 going. Was a matter of about 5 minutes or so, so nothing very major other than the cabin being a little warm until everything was running. I usually fly QF107 back home. But this time I am not sure when I am going home. I am in SYD for at least the next year, and I know that QF has major plans with their B744s. so maybe I might get an A380 back home...whenever that may be.
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:31 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 11):
The ferry flights usually operate direct SYD-VCV.

One exception was OGG, which went via LAX.
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:40 am

Quoting csturdiv (Reply 21):
How much longer will QF use the B747 on the LAX-SYD route on QF108?

Effectively only until the beginning of next year. The QF107/108 timings will become QF11/12 and operate with an A380, with the 744s instead operating a new afternoon departure from SYD (as QF17/18).

But there will be 744s on SYD-LAX right out to the end of the decade (unless something really radical happens, like a full withdrawal from DXB/LHR).
 
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:16 am

Hi guys,
Re: my post about Xiamen Airlines and Sydney, and Hainan Airlines and Australia...

It is definitely Sydney that Xiamen is planning on launching. I have it on very very good authority. I don't know for sure what the Chinese point of origin is, or if there is an intermediate stop, but Sydney is the intended Aussie destination. Dreamliners are the planned aircraft... And yes, I am aware that NYC is the first intercontinental destination for Xiamen...

Hainan Airlines have lost the regional government subsidy to operate to Australia, even at the limited frequencies it has operated in the past. The routes proved to be heavy loss-makers and unsustainable without the subsidy. The hoped for influx of Aussie tourists did not happen, nor the outflow of Chinese seeking a down under holiday using the airline. Interestingly, Sichuan operate with a similar regional government subsidy (as was stated in the previous thread) and I would be very interested to see what would happen if their subsidy was cut ...

And while on the topic of Chinese airlines, anyone know the latest on China Southern's plans to use the Dreamliner into Australia?

No additional news on Air Asia Indonesia's hoped-for Sydney and / or Brisbane flights that I am aware of, anyway, lol.

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Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:29 am

Skytrans announced today they are pulling their TWB-SYD service due to QFlink commencing Wellcamp.
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:43 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 24):
No additional news on Air Asia Indonesia's hoped-for Sydney and / or Brisbane flights that I am aware of, anyway, lol.

It had applied for slots at MEL and SYD. BNE did not have any applied for from what I have seen.

Judging by the level of capacity into DPS and the rest of South-East Asia I would feel now is not a great time to consider such a move though anyway.

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 24):
It is definitely Sydney that Xiamen is planning on launching. I have it on very very good authority. I don't know for sure what the Chinese point of origin is, or if there is an intermediate stop, but Sydney is the intended Aussie destination. Dreamliners are the planned aircraft.

True I have heard that too, but I guess it will depend how it goes on its other routes first.

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...n-flags-787-for-australian-routes/

Given that both 3U (39%) and (51%) have significant stakes owned in them by China Southern, certainly is lot of capacity that the group has put into Australia. Mind you, those airline investments in the end all roll up to the Chinese govt anyway  
Quoting bunumuring (Reply 24):
Interestingly, Sichuan operate with a similar regional government subsidy (as was stated in the previous thread) and I would be very interested to see what would happen if their subsidy was cut ...

Based on the struggle that it has had filling seats to MEL,YVR and SYD, let alone the yields it would be achieving, I fear it would be out of those markets in no time without support.
 
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:04 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 26):
Based on the struggle that it has had filling seats to MEL,YVR and SYD, let alone the yields it would be achieving, I fear it would be out of those markets in no time without support.

Hi mate,
That's what I believe too. Without the subsidy, Sichuan would leave Australia with it's tail between it's legs, so to speak.
Thanks for the other information in reply to my post. Much appreciated!
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:11 am

My daytime AirAsiaX flight KUL-SYD on Sep 30 got canned "for commercial reasons". Wonder if that's indicative of poor bookings or just a one off. Couple of others on the flight got moved to the overnight service, we were put on the following day's flight. It's during school holidays so you would have thought that demand would be good. Only a single data point, but hmmm...
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:26 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 1):
could purchase tickets to ride on one of these legs

Interestingly, I just saw an ad for 60 Minutes this Sunday, that looked like Charles Wooley was doing just that. Riding to VCV that is, Im sure he didn't pay for it.
 
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:26 am

Quoting BAeRJ100 (Reply 22):


Quoting EK413 (Reply 11):
The ferry flights usually operate direct SYD-VCV.

One exception was OGG, which went via LAX.

Could this be due to the camera crew? How does immigration into the US work at VCV? I know the CX 747s have been going to MAN to clear UK immigration then onwards to Bruntingthorpe. Does VCV have its own?
 
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:07 pm

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 26):
Given that both 3U (39%) and (51%) have significant stakes owned in them by China Southern, certainly is lot of capacity that the group has put into Australia. Mind you, those airline investments in the end all roll up to the Chinese govt anyway  

Was meant to say MF (Xiamen Airlines) (51%).
 
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:29 pm

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 15):
I wonder if a JQ or TT flight a few times weekly would work to MEL?

I doubt we will see JQ or TT for a long time at BWW/TWB. Why put a LCC in a market if VA/QF can keep it to themselves (like CBR).

Quoting QF175 (Reply 20):
Agree but if they did use E90s it would operate as all Y class like they do with Cloncurry and Broome. The E90 would be a too costly proposition for the route and would be better served by the ATRs.

Skytrans has also waved the white flag and will cancel its existing Toowoomba-Sydney services at a date to be announced - source

TBH I didnt even think about J class, which is a good point. I more meant from a prestige point of view of having a jet service. I think the airport should be very successful and it wouldnt surprise me to see many more flights to come from QF and VA over the next 3 years.

QF isn't marketing it as Brisbane West from what I can see, on the route map it is Toowoomba. Lets hope that stays that way, would be worse than the stupid idea it was to call it Melbourne (Avalon).
 
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:56 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 11):
The ferry flights usually operate direct SYD-VCV.
SYD-VCV is about 7,567 MILES.
SYD-LAX is about 7,487 MILES.

So I guess if an empty 767-300ER can make LAX from SYD it could probably make it 80 or so miles farther to VCV.

I wonder how many pilots operate the fery flight? 3 or 4? Would there be a FA or just a couple of 'tucker bags' to snack from?

Quoting BAeRJ100 (Reply 22):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 11):
The ferry flights usually operate direct SYD-VCV.

One exception was OGG, which went via LAX.

Probably just to drop off the camera crew as they were on OGG because I'm sure OGG is just as capable as the other ERs...

Quoting polehillsid (Reply 30):
Quoting BAeRJ100 (Reply 22):


Quoting EK413 (Reply 11):
The ferry flights usually operate direct SYD-VCV.

One exception was OGG, which went via LAX.

Could this be due to the camera crew? How does immigration into the US work at VCV?

Apart for making it easier for the 60 Minutes crew immigration could be another issue. The pilots that fly SYD-VCV non-stop would still need to deal with immigration though, no? So maybe VCV has immigration or there are special arrangements in place?

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Australian Aviation Thread 105

Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:07 pm

I intend visiting Victorville with a mate who has been there before. He raved about the place. We want to fly to LAX and then LAS Before Victorville. I want a side trip to Seattle for obvious reasons and perhaps another side trip transcontinental to try out jetBlue's 'mint' throne seats one way and American's A321T biz class the other way.
We hope to make the trip early in the new year.
I would love to fly ex-QF 767 direct to Victorville ... And return on a Delta 777-200LR from LAX as I haven't flown on a -200LR before... Failing that, a VA 777-300ER or QF 747-400ER would be nice...
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:15 pm

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 34):
And return on a Delta 777-200LR from LAX as I haven't flown on a -200LR before...

The -200LR was the last type / variant of 777 I hadn't been on. So I flew Virgin 77W SYD-LAX and the return LAX-SYD on the DL 77L. My back hated me for it. It was N701DN and perhaps it was just my seat, but I was basically in pain before pushback. I've never had such an uncomfortable seat - especially for such a long flight. I am glad I did it beacuse after that I had been on every 777 type and the 77L holds the current range record IIRC, but I will avoid the DL 77Ls again. Also, their GE90s are a bit more quiet than the 300ERs which have a bit more thrust (about 5K more?) each to get the longer / heavier frame of the ground. From my experience I could rerally notice how much quieter the 77L engines were on takeoff. Nothing beats the GE90-115B noises during start up and take off on the 777-300ER  
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:23 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 35):
The -200LR was the last type / variant of 777 I hadn't been on. So I flew Virgin 77W SYD-LAX and the return LAX-SYD on the DL 77L. My back hated me for it.

Hi mate,
Sad to hear about your back! The things we do for our log books, eh?
Still, I will try DL's 'pain plane' despite your warning, just to tick it off.
Take care, mate.
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:23 pm

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 34):
QF 747-400ER would be nice...

How long will it be on the QF8 BNE-SYD leg? IIRC there is about a month left...

I was thinking of, one evening, catching the last SYD-MEL flight to log one last QF 767-300ER (as per schedule some nights), hang out at BNE for a few hours, and then catch QF8 back to SYD to log the 747-400ER. I don't want to risk getting a non-ER on an intl flight which would cost a lot more $$$. I hear QF8 BNE-SYD is an ER for sure as that will be the only 744 available to do that sector. My mate from Mexico flew QF16 a few days ago and it was on the non-ER OJT   When my brother flew QF16 it was on Wunala  
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:34 pm

Quoting QF175 (Reply 20):
Skytrans has also waved the white flag and will cancel its existing Toowoomba-Sydney services
Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 25):
Skytrans announced today they are pulling their TWB-SYD service

While I am sad to hear this, it is not altogether unsurprising. With only one flight per day, and that flight not particularly well timed for business travellers, it was inevitable IMHO. It is sad that Skytrans didn't do a better job to corner the market when they had the chance.

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 34):
American's A321T biz class the other way

Have you considered flying outbound on the UA98 MEL-LAX? It is the exact same seat. If you want to try the soft product then I can't say much there, but if I personally had the money to pay for the AA transcon premium product I'd go F.

(actually I lie, I'd go UA)

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 35):
My back hated me for it.

  

The DL seats aren't conducive to sitting 14 hours in them.
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 2:36 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 38):
Have you considered flying outbound on the UA98 MEL-LAX? It is the exact same seat. If you want to try the soft product then I can't say much there, but if I personally had the money to pay for the AA transcon premium product I'd go F.

Great suggestion, mate... Could log a 787-9! fly Canberra-Melbourne on a 717, Melbourne-LA on a 787-9, LAX-LAS on whatever, visit Victorville in a Ford Mustang, LAS-SEA on something Alaskan, visit Boeing and say 'g'day', SEA-SFO on something else Alaskan (a 737-900 would be nice in the log book), SFO-JFK jetBlue 'mint' throne seat, JFK-LAX on AA A321T biz or first, LAX-SYD DL 777-200LR, SYD-Canberra VA ATR-72 or E190...

Phew!
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:55 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 37):
How long will it be on the QF8 BNE-SYD leg? IIRC there is about a month left...

29 Sept is the first A380 to DFW, so the last QF8 BNE-SYD should be 30 Sept (as the 31 Sept will be the first A380 returning direct to SYD). Someone correct me if my calculations are wrong!?
 
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Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:01 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 39):
Great suggestion, mate... Could log a 787-9! fly Canberra-Melbourne on a 717, Melbourne-LA on a 787-9, LAX-LAS on whatever, visit Victorville in a Ford Mustang, LAS-SEA on something Alaskan, visit Boeing and say 'g'day', SEA-SFO on something else Alaskan (a 737-900 would be nice in the log book), SFO-JFK jetBlue 'mint' throne seat, JFK-LAX on AA A321T biz or first, LAX-SYD DL 777-200LR, SYD-Canberra VA ATR-72 or E190...

You could try to add a few other rare types whilst in the USA (if you don't already have them) - 767-200, 767-400ER, and my favorite 757-300... Even A319s etc.   So many good options over there...

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 40):
29 Sept is the first A380 to DFW, so the last QF8 BNE-SYD should be 30 Sept (as the 31 Sept will be the first A380 returning direct to SYD). Someone correct me if my calculations are wrong!?

Thank you for that.

I will start looking at options...  
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Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:10 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 40):
s the 31 Sept will be the first A380 returning direct to SYD)

I doubt that but the 1 October will definitely be an A380  
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Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:24 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 42):
I doubt that but the 1 October will definitely be an A380

Ummmmm... yep! My bad :P Think I need another coffee!?!?!?
 
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Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:24 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 40):
29 Sept is the first A380 to DFW, so the last QF8 BNE-SYD should be 30 Sept (as the 31 Sept will be the first A380 returning direct to SYD). Someone correct me if my calculations are wrong!?
Quoting tullamarine (Reply 42):
I doubt that but the 1 October will definitely be an A380

The last QF8 744 service on DFW-BNE-SYD leaves DFW on 28 September so would arrive BNE on September 30th and presumably operate BNE-SYD on that date as well. (That's according to the QF timetable)
 
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Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:34 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 44):
Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 40):
29 Sept is the first A380 to DFW, so the last QF8 BNE-SYD should be 30 Sept (as the 31 Sept will be the first A380 returning direct to SYD). Someone correct me if my calculations are wrong!?
Quoting tullamarine (Reply 42):
I doubt that but the 1 October will definitely be an A380

The last QF8 744 service on DFW-BNE-SYD leaves DFW on 28 September so would arrive BNE on September 30th and presumably operate BNE-SYD on that date as well. (That's according to the QF timetable)

Given that this is not just a straightforward 'upgauge' and includes a route change / dropping a sector (DFW-SYD instead of DFW-BNE-SYD) I am assuming that due to allready made booking that that date is fixed and won't be shifted by a day or so at the last minute? I know at times in the past when a straightforward upgauge / downgauge has occured on a route that sometimes it has been brought forward or pushed back by a few days without much notice just because the frames are available... I'd hate to try to book the last 744ER flight to arrive to hear the A380 started a day early - that happened to me once on a QF flight being permanently downgauged from a 744 to a 333 - I booked the last dated 744 flight to arrive and get shafted onto a 333 without notice - you could imagine how I felt   But that flight didn't include a route / sector change...
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Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:53 am

Jetstar to introduce cabin baggage officers

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A Jetstar spokesperson has confirmed the airline will introduce cabin baggage officers to crack down on passengers who try sneak on oversized or heavy carry-on luggage on board, instead of paying extra fees to check-in them in.
The officers will enforced the airline's carry-on size and weight limits at Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Cairns and the Gold Coast airports on a trial basis.

Fair enough, considering the limits are 10kg. The problem is when you start a trip well under the limit and buy things along the way. But that's no excuse.  

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Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:30 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 39):

Just to be clear, when I was talking about the seats on the UA 787 vs AA 32T I was referring to J.

For SEA-SFO you could also try out VX. And to be honest if you wanted to specifically ride on a 77L then I would recommend AC from YVR over DL's torture chamber.
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Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:37 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 39):

LAX-HNL UA 757-300 then HNL-SFO UA 767-400ER if you have time  
Quoting RyanairGuru (Thread starter):
*Qantas set to announce service to Wallcamp
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...sland-airport-20140903-10btd8.html
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Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:45 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 48):
Quoting RyanairGuru (Thread starter):*Qantas set to announce service to Wallcamphttp://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...sland-airport-20140903-10btd8.html

I find the last paragraph in the article to be the most interesting:

Fair use excerpt - "The airport's 2.87-kilometre runway would be capable of landing a Boeing 747, which Wagners managing director Denis Wagner said was a possibility in the shape of a cargo plane."

I'll admit I'm not that familiar with that part of QLD but is there unmet demand for Air Freight capacity from the region? Are there time sensitive exports or something like that which come from there?

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