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Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:49 pm

Allegedly going to be using Xtra Airways 737 to do the flying, along with lease of E120 aircraft for a feeder network.

Seeks 2015 launch, with service to Tampa-St. Pete, Ft. Lauderdale, Daytona Beach, Lehigh Valley, Pittsburgh, Chicago, St. Louis and Worcester.

Story:
New airline, Air Florida, announces plans
http://www.masslive.com/news/worcest...ew_airline_announces_plans_to.html

They have a website
http://www.airflorida.co/




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I guess people cant leave good enough alone.

Though I love the American spirit, people always dreaming about new ventures in this industry.

[Edited 2014-09-05 12:00:03]
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Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:20 pm

All is missing now is another PanAm and a new TWA and we re all set for year of the living dead airlines 
 
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:24 pm

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 1):

Or more like defunct airline names and brands being recycled. I would be ok with a new Pan Am and TWA, and especially the new Eastern. More airlines equals more choices.
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:25 pm

Maybe another Braniff will resurface too !
 
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:26 pm

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 1):
All is missing now is another PanAm and a new TWA and we re all set for year of the living dead airlines

Don't forget Braniff

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Seeks 2015 launch, with service to Tampa-St. Pete, Ft. Lauderdale, Daytona Beach, Lehigh Valley, Pittsburgh, Chicago, St. Louis and Worcester.

Seems they're going with an Allegiant hybrid here.. Using GYY for Chicago? I don't remember the last time that was successful for anyone..

[Edited 2014-09-05 12:28:10]
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:27 pm

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 2):

I meant no ill of the actual airline my friend just some humor   Actually I d love to see all those names again but only if it was a serious try. Plus I have all those miles from TWA but I think they expired in 1998 
 
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:37 pm

According to their website, they're also planning service to IAD, INT, CMH, BNA, ABY, CHA, PSM, BUF, AZA, LAX, GNV, APF, TLH, SWF, and SJU within their first year of operation (in addition to FLL, PIE, DAB, GYY, BLV, PIT, ABE, and ORH):

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Within Our First Twelve Months Of Operation, We Also Propose To Serve: Allentown, PA; Chicago, IL; Washington Dulles; Winston-Salem, NC; Pittsburgh, PA; St. Louis, MO; Worcester, MA; Columbus, OH; Nashville, TN; Albany, GA; Chattanooga, TN; Portsmouth, NH; Buffalo, NY; Phoenix, AZ; Los Angeles, CA, Gainesville, FL, Naples, FL, Tallahassee, FL, Stewart, NY And San Juan, PR
http://www.airflorida.co/where-well-fly/

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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:50 pm

Well, I'm certainly not mad they included ABE in the mix of their first cities. Especially with the amount of service they are saying they are going to have out of ABE.

I'm not sure what their plans are, but I hope it works except I just don't see this business model working with EMB-120s.
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:54 pm

This is the one of the best periods in ages to start a new airline in the U.S.

While I don't think this one necessarily will be successful, I think we will have 2-3 successful airline start-ups over the next 4-7 years.
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Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:00 pm

MD-11 LAX-PIE-SJU? Sure, why not?

http://www.airflorida.co/press-information/

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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:13 pm

Also, from their web site

We Have Reached An Agreement In Principle With Xtra Airways Of Boise, ID For The Provision Of Multiple 737-400 Aircraft (And Crews) On An ACMI Lease Program.

Is Xtra getting more aircraft? They only have 4 737 as it is.

Feeder Jets, an MD-11, as well as a hub at PIE, they have pretty big ambitions.
 
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:19 pm

Why in the world would you want to reuse the name of an airline perhaps best remembered for crashing an aircraft into the Potomac?
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Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:52 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
While I don't think this one necessarily will be successful, I think we will have 2-3 successful airline start-ups over the next 4-7 years.

I agree. This one seems too ambitious (An MD-11? Really?). But I think, if PEX keeps it up they might have something. I could also see an Allegiant or Spirit competitor working in the long run.
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:57 pm

Quoting spinkid (Reply 10):
Is Xtra getting more aircraft? They only have 4 737 as it is.

Xtra is also doing a big bunch of work for Apple Vacations, starting this winter, replacing a lot of the Airtran stuff.

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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:58 pm

I don't think anyone has told them that World has ceased operations.
 
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Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:01 pm

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 12):
I agree. This one seems too ambitious (An MD-11? Really?).

People behind that venture haven't read apparently both books published by Airways about airlines deregulation. Otherwise they would know how many of these attempts have either left the ground or succeeded.

Anyone interested at restarting Western Airlines?  
 
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Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:06 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 15):
Anyone interested at restarting Western Airlines?

The what, 2 week?, revival wasn't enough for you?
 
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Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:12 pm

I was going to say the revival of Western was very short lived.
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Fri Sep 05, 2014 10:31 pm

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 4):
Seems they're going with an Allegiant hybrid here.. Using GYY for Chicago? I don't remember the last time that was successful for anyone..

The way you said what you said above, implies that using GYY as CHI has worked for anyone. Although RFD had worked well for G4.

Quoting KBUF (Reply 6):
According to their website, they're also planning service to IAD, INT, CMH, BNA, ABY, CHA, PSM, BUF, AZA, LAX, GNV, APF, TLH, SWF, and SJU within their first year of operation (in addition to FLL, PIE, DAB, GYY, BLV, PIT, ABE, and ORH):

Wow, they must have a ton of capital or really good credit to even suggest such a huge expansion in less than a year, especially as a start-up. I think this is a pipe dream, if this operation gets it's approvals and off the ground, it'll be suicide for this Air Florida re-start to expand into so many secondary airports so fast.

So what will they fly to AZA from PIE, the M11 or a 734? LAX-PIE-SJU looks like the only route an M11 could work on.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 11):
Why in the world would you want to reuse the name of an airline perhaps best remembered for crashing an aircraft into the Potomac?

It's the first thing I think of when I hear Air Florida ... just saying.

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 12):
I agree. This one seems too ambitious (An MD-11? Really?). But I think, if PEX keeps it up they might have something. I could also see an Allegiant or Spirit competitor working in the long run.

So is there any way a wide-body (like the M11) could operate profitably in a ULCC type carrier, here in the USA? PE had 747s flying EWR-LAX/OAK, but look how well that worked out. IIRC those planes became a burden in the end.

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 15):
Anyone interested at restarting Western Airlines?  

Based where, not SEA I hope, maybe PDX? Not BLI again hopefully. SAN would be interesting, but could SAN handle a hub operation space wise, given current operations?
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:46 pm

This is seriously the most ridiculous business plan of an airline "start-up" in years. Almost every single thing they propose is exactly the wrong thing to do in today's environment.

Wrong planes...check
Wrong fleet strategy...check (three types, really?)
Wrong brand...check
Wrong operating model...check
Wrong ancillary strategy for a LCC...check
Wring pricing strategy...check
Wrong markets....check

I'm sure if they publish more plans, there will be more "wrongs".

And...if you are claiming that you've got an operator lined up...you ought to check with them first.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...n-air-florida-revival-plan-403402/
 
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Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:52 pm

I thought Hollywood sucked at having original ideas, but the airline industry is catching up!

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Sat Sep 06, 2014 12:01 am

Predictable a.net negativism. You all said the new PEOPLExpress wouldn't fly too.

I for one am excited at the prospect of a new airline here in the USA.
 
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Sat Sep 06, 2014 12:09 am

After seeing Xtra's press release that they do not have an agreement, I have to wonder if this is just a "virtual airline" created by someone having fun.

I also found the web site to be poorly written, lots of strangely worded sections.
 
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Sat Sep 06, 2014 12:21 am

I personally, am glad to see DAB on the list of proposed cities. I wish the new Air Florida much luck.
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Sat Sep 06, 2014 12:37 am

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 9):
MD-11 LAX-PIE-SJU? Sure, why not?

Hey, if it means there will be a PAX MD-11 flying in the USA I'm all for it.  
 
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:10 am

Quoting OA412 (Reply 11):
Why in the world would you want to reuse the name of an airline perhaps best remembered for crashing an aircraft into the Potomac?

Then why keep a name that is associated with some of the worst disasters of all time?

JAL - Dump it.
UAL and AA - Dump it.
KAL - Dump it.
Etc., etc.

I'm sorry, but that's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted on A.net.

Ever.
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:15 am

Quoting Jamake1 (Reply 23):
I personally, am glad to see DAB on the list of proposed cities. I wish the new Air Florida much luck.

Ditto, and not only a proposed city, but a proposed Focus City at that. Notice MCO wasn't on the list? Marketing DAB as Orlando Area maybe? I think DAB would be good for intra-Florida and Northeastern Destinations. DAB's largest demand is in the northeast.
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:19 am

A whois lookup shows that the domain was registered in May 2014 by Dean Capone of "Ovrtone Music Group, Inc." of St. Petersburg, Florida. A BBB search places the company in Nashville and has a BBB rating of F.

I think this is either a hoax or a pipe dream.

Edit: or a scam

[Edited 2014-09-05 18:20:58]
 
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Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:51 am

Throw in another Northwest and everything is good.
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:05 am

Quoting vatveng (Reply 27):

A whois lookup shows that the domain was registered in May 2014 by Dean Capone of "Ovrtone Music Group, Inc." of St. Petersburg, Florida. A BBB search places the company in Nashville and has a BBB rating of F.

I think this is either a hoax or a pipe dream.

Edit: or a scam
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...n-air-florida-revival-plan-403402/

We'll have to wait and see, but the above link certainly does help your argument.

[Edited 2014-09-05 19:08:17]
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:15 am

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Allegedly going to be using Xtra Airways 737 to do the flying, along with lease of E120 aircraft for a feeder network.

Seeks 2015 launch

"seeks"? From whom? They don't need DOT approval to pay Xtra Airways. That's why PEX stopped the approval process.
 
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Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:31 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 21):

Just wait till the new Eastern starts flying! I mean its nice to see these names coming back, but these are just new carriers using the names and brands of defunct carriers, even thought it may sound unoriginal, think of it as recycling.
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:03 am

This is so fake...and what's more, MassLive.com is going to feel awfully bad for posting a column about a site that is a virtual airline.

There is NO WAY this is real. The grammar in the 'press release' is poor, half of the words are capitalized and some are spelled incorrectly or with unnecessary hyphens.

I would LOVE to see Air Florida gracing the skies again, but it isn't happening here. This is fake. I hope I am wrong, and will gladly admit to being so...but this site was made by someone with a lot of time on their hands, and very basic HTML and graphics experience.
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:06 am

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 31):
Just wait till the new Eastern starts flying! I mean its nice to see these names coming back, but these are just new carriers using the names and brands of defunct carriers, even thought it may sound unoriginal, think of it as recycling.

At least Eastern has real investors and legitimate capital behind its strange business plan. Air Florida is a joke.
 
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Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:27 am

interesting! with airline choices dwindling, I say what the heck...lets see them give it a shot!
 
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:56 am

I would love to see Air Florida in the skies again. But, who knows, we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
 
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:57 am

Quoting spinkid (Reply 22):
I also found the web site to be poorly written, lots of strangely worded sections

i'm willing to bet that's compliance and legal issues.

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 34):


interesting! with airline choices dwindling, I say what the heck...lets see them give it a shot!

agreed
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:14 am

How can you fill an MD-11 to PIE from LAX, ill bet that route couldn't fill a 737
 
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Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:31 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 21):
Predictable a.net negativism. You all said the new PEOPLExpress wouldn't fly too.

Sorry, what reaction did you expect when they propose MD-11 service between Los Angeles and Clearwater?
 
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Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:37 am

There are a few of these          that tells me this is some sort of a hoax:

1) I did not find the name of any person involved with this operation.
2) An MD-11 to operate LAX-PIE-SJU.
3) The telephone number in the press release. A simple Google search reveals that the phone number belongs to a payday loan outfit.
 
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Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:40 am

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 1):
All is missing now is another PanAm and a new TWA and we re all set for year of the living dead airlines 

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Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:47 am

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 15):
Anyone interested at restarting Western Airlines?

Hell yes! I'd do it like Allegiant or the Doug Parker-era led US Airways based out of LAX or SLC.
 
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Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:47 am

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 1):
TWA

There is the AA plane that's gonna be in TWA colors...  

I like they are coming back with the original ogos. Apparently that's the new trend. BA started it by bringing back the crest, the Frontier "F", and now this.

I'm waiting for the reincarnation of Northwest, and Continental.  
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Sat Sep 06, 2014 5:37 am

Quoting OA412 (Reply 11):
Why in the world would you want to reuse the name of an airline perhaps best remembered for crashing an aircraft into the Potomac?
Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 25):
I'm sorry, but that's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted on A.net.

Ever.

PC12, yours is an interesting perspective, and maybe things change, but OA412's perspective is exactly why Midway Airlines changed the name of Air Florida to Midway Express when it bought the remains of that airline in the 1980s. I remember having a conversation with Midway's president in 1984 or 1985, when he called me after an article that I had written about his airline was published in the Sunday edition of the Chicago Sun Times. We had a wide-ranging discussion about all sorts of airline topics.

His exact comment about Air Florida was that people almost universally associate the brand with "worthless tickets and tailfins sticking up out of the Potomac." (The "worthless tickets" comment arose because when the airline tanked, its tickets weren't accepted by other airlines.) That was almost 30 years ago, so memories fade and people who were around then die, but bringing back the exact brand and logo makes no sense. The brand is pretty generic anyway, so one might think to use the name and rebrand it with a new logo and hope people have forgotten the only thing that most people remember about that brand. But why bother when there are a zillion other options out there.

That's why it's probably just some goofball's fantasy.
 
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Sat Sep 06, 2014 5:46 am

And for what it's worth, to say they have an ACMI agreement reveals that the authors of the web site have no clue. You can't do an ACMI agreement with a carrier unless you yourself are already a certificated air carrier. That's why peoplExpress adopted a model where the tickets are issued by Vision Airlines, Inc. d/b/a peoplExpress. Otherwise, you are a public charter and have to operate under a public charter prospectus and the very stringent financial rules governing public charters.

Anybody actually in the business would already know that.
 
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:06 am

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 25):
Then why keep a name that is associated with some of the worst disasters of all time?

JAL - Dump it.
UAL and AA - Dump it.
KAL - Dump it.
Etc., etc.

Airlines do rebrand after particularly noteworthy accidents. You use KE as an example. Recall that after KAL 007, they rebranded with a slightly different name (Korean Air instead of Korean Air Lines) and a new livery. Rumor has it that MH is looking to do the same. But, you have to look at extenuating factors such as the strength of a brand, why an accident happened, etc. AA and UA are very strong brands that could "weather the storm" associated with 9/11. Besides, it was not their own negligence that caused those accidents. The same is true for JL 123 which was caused by Boeing engineers improperly repairing the rear pressure bulkhead. Air Florida 90 was the result of pilot error, and Air Florida wasn't exactly a strong and established brand.

Airlines on the brink can certainly go under as a result of a tragic accident. PA103 and TW800 were some of the final nails in the coffin for each airline.

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 25):
I'm sorry, but that's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted on A.net.

Ever.

There really is no need for name calling. A difference of opinion is fine, but please don't discount my opinion as dumb simply because you disagree with it.
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Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:06 am

Quoting AA94 (Reply 38):
Sorry, what reaction did you expect when they propose MD-11 service between Los Angeles and Clearwater?

Throw in a free in-seat personality test, some auditing equipment, call it Xenu Airways and I think you just *might* have a moneymaker!
 
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:25 am

Do I get an award for being the first one to call BS on this web site?                
 
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:31 am

This is a hoax. Someone with too much time on their hands and a sentimental attachment to Air Florida.
A few observations:
1) The website is very amateurish.
2) Every section appears to have been written by a sixth grader.
3) What is Air Florida Systems? They only say they filed for rights to the name, logo etc
4) A start-up / revival of Air Florida would unlikely brand themselves with the same logo and old slogans, especially when that logo is associated with plunging into the Potomac River.
The "Connect the dots..." slogan was used by the original Air Florida. I'm not a marketing expert, but I don't believe revitalizing an old name includes resurrecting slogans from the 1980s.
5) Nothing they say is definitive. It all reads along the lines of: we're looking into this, we hope to do that, etc. All plans are up in the air (no pun intended).

Again, this doesn't appear to be an initiative with serious minds or money behind it. I do hope we get some new airlines, revivals or otherwise; I'd love to see something similar product wise to Virgin America.. or perhaps another jetBlue or Allegiant tap into different markets across the country.
 
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RE: Air Florida Reincarnation - Plans 2015 Launch

Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:54 am

I am absolutely excited to see any new startup bring back a famous name from aviation history, especially when it re-uses the retro logo...BUT....I have a hard time believing this airline is legit...MD-11s are not economical in today's market, firstly, and secondly...their exponential growth plans are just about exactly what the original Air Florida did wrong...too much growth, too fast.

I'd love to see Air Florida back, but let's be smart about it, like Eastern is doing.

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