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Kalitta Pilot On Radio Suffering From Hypoxia

Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:00 am

Cant see this posted anywhere on here, this is a disturbing conversation between ground and a pilot suffering from Hypoxia

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b97_1409965702

Thankfully all turns out well in the end.

[Edited 2014-09-06 00:03:04]

[Edited 2014-09-06 00:05:03]

[Edited 2014-09-06 00:08:59]

Ive since read this happened back in 2008 yet i personally have not heard about it before


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RE: Kalitta Pilot On Radio Suffering From Hypoxia

Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:07 pm

Just listened to that. Very interesting. Is that the same guy sounding much better towards the end of the recording?
 
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RE: Kalitta Pilot On Radio Suffering From Hypoxia

Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:13 pm

Hypoxia On Kalitta 66/ Info? (by SXDFC Oct 19 2012 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Kalitta Pilot On Radio Suffering From Hypoxia

Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:28 pm

Although this was discussed in the past, the last post is almost two years old and the thread has since been locked. I'll leave this one open for discussion due to the recent hypoxia crashes this week.
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RE: Kalitta Pilot On Radio Suffering From Hypoxia

Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:48 pm

Impressive sense of humor for being in a life or death situation:

"Unable to control altitude. Unable to control airspeed. Unable to control heading. Other than that, everything A-OK!"
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RE: Kalitta Pilot On Radio Suffering From Hypoxia

Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:33 pm

This video is often shown in my aviation safety and human factors classes. Most people laugh at how they sound drunk, but its not as funny when you realize that they could have died and it could happen to you.
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RE: Kalitta Pilot On Radio Suffering From Hypoxia

Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:43 pm

This happened a few years back, I want to say '07 without looking, and was an embarrassing moment for the company but it has become a huge training aid and I'm glad people get to hear it and that it did end up having a good outcome in that no one died. It was probably only minutes away from being another Payne Stewart accident. It was a combination of a new street captain who hadn't flown the Lear in decades and a weak "pay to play" FO. I actually just saw the FO's name on FB only a couple minutes ago as a "person I may know", yeah no.
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RE: Kalitta Pilot On Radio Suffering From Hypoxia

Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:39 am

Am I wrong or did the F.O wake up once they had descended? I don't quite understand the sub titles saying 2nd pilot. Is that another aircraft relaying his transmissions more clearly or what? THX.
 
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RE: Kalitta Pilot On Radio Suffering From Hypoxia

Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:56 am

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 7):
Am I wrong or did the F.O wake up once they had descended? I don't quite understand the sub titles saying 2nd pilot. Is that another aircraft relaying his transmissions more clearly or what? THX.

Yes he snapped out of it as soon as they got the pressurization back working. The Captain was in his late 60's and a smoker but miraculously stayed awake while the younger, in shape FO was out like a light.
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RE: Kalitta Pilot On Radio Suffering From Hypoxia

Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:59 am

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 7):
I don't quite understand the sub titles saying 2nd pilot.

Pilot from another plane

edit: early in video it's a pilot from another plane, later in the video it seems co-piot.

[Edited 2014-09-06 18:02:47]
 
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RE: Kalitta Pilot On Radio Suffering From Hypoxia

Sun Sep 07, 2014 1:16 am

Perhaps someone who knows more than I about this can say a little more. Due to a medical condition I once experienced an inability to take a needed action. And a friend after a stroke described the neurology of his paralysis.

We take in sensory data
We process it
We decide what to do about it
There are then one or two steps, not available to consciousness which then..
Activate muscles and action

The inability to do something can happen solely to those one or two steps not available to consciousness. When it happened to me it was truly weird. I knew what I wanted to do, and what I needed to do. I just couldn't do it.

Does anyone know how hypoxia works, and does it impair the same at all earlier stages?
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RE: Kalitta Pilot On Radio Suffering From Hypoxia

Sun Sep 07, 2014 1:45 am

Quoting tb727 (Reply 8):

Yes he snapped out of it as soon as they got the pressurization back working. The Captain was in his late 60's and a smoker but miraculously stayed awake while the younger, in shape FO was out like a light.

Reminds me of an episode of fear factor some time ago where they tried to see who could hold their breath underwater the longest. The fit people were 30sec to 1min, but the smoker lasted 5-6min or something like that before he gave in.
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RE: Kalitta Pilot On Radio Suffering From Hypoxia

Sun Sep 07, 2014 1:46 am

If they had hypoxia at such an altitude why didn't they use the O2 masks? Was this aircraft a 747?
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RE: Kalitta Pilot On Radio Suffering From Hypoxia

Sun Sep 07, 2014 3:15 am

Yeah I thought this all happened on a 747? Above guys are saying Learjet. Wouldn't mind some clarification on that.

Edit--- just looked it up and sure enough it was a Learjet. All these years I thought this happened on a 747. Good to know.

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RE: Kalitta Pilot On Radio Suffering From Hypoxia

Sun Sep 07, 2014 3:16 am

http://avherald.com/h?article=428a428b
I think this is the incident. It was a Leadjet 25 indeed.
 
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RE: Kalitta Pilot On Radio Suffering From Hypoxia

Sun Sep 07, 2014 5:31 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 12):

If they had hypoxia at such an altitude why didn't they use the O2 masks? Was this aircraft a 747?

They had no idea they had a problem. Ignored the cabin altitude warning horn, they thought it was a malfunctioning warning system. Never thought of looking at the cabin altitude itself. Finally realized the problem was that they had turned off the Air Bleed switch on the ground thinking that they would get cooler air on the long taxi on a hot day. Stupid because A, the Lear has a freon a/c system with a fan, B, the Lear has no bleed air coming into the cabin until after takeoff. Shutting the switch off and forgetting about it would have been totally avoided if they just had remembered the basics of the system. Captain had come from a major airline after retiring and used to big jet systems which misled his thought process.

They were lucky to live to tell about it and I'm glad this serves as a learning tool so that this hopefully never has to happen again to anyone. If you even think you have a problem, get on O2 and then you can take a moment to figure it out with a clear mind.
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RE: Kalitta Pilot On Radio Suffering From Hypoxia

Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:58 pm

Kalitta Charters is not Kalitta Air (747's) they fly 727's and Learjets plus maybe some Falcons that are still around.

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