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Quoting N766UA (Reply 6): You can't sell a dangerous jet, so I don't get their argument. Safe jets sell, so "building a jet to sell" is inherently building it to be safe. |
Quote: The same is true for a memo the documentary cites as proof that quality is being sacrificed to meet production targets. The dramatic presentation is undermined by a lack of detail. (The Seattle Times reviewed that memo earlier this year and concluded it was not proof that safety was being compromised for production’s sake.) |
Quoting nikeherc (Reply 14): 2. What I've seen so far does not provide any corroboration of their allegations. |
Quoting nikeherc (Reply 14): My experience in dealing with unions is that they protect the most incompetent with the greatest vigor. |
Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 18): Funny enough, 787 is the only plane built at non-union CHS, and you don't hear them writing another story about the 737/748/77W ..... if Boeing has lax standards, it should equally be lax at all their assembly lines. To single out non-union CHS and 787 makes you wonder what the ulterior motive and hidden agenda is. |
Quoting nikeherc (Reply 14): I'll discredit the entire story because: 1. It's on Al Jazeera |
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 16): In the end, that's why we have regulatory agencies that - we hope - are overseeing these things appropriately. You can never be 100% safe or sure, though. |
Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 18): if Boeing has lax standards, it should equally be lax at all their assembly lines. |
Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 30): Sad to see this internal tussle played out on international media. I hope union has no hand in this. |
Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 18): if Boeing has lax standards, it should equally be lax at all their assembly lines. To single out non-union CHS and 787 makes you wonder what the ulterior motive and hidden agenda is. |
Quoting RDH3E (Reply 34): Do you have any source for this? I've not seen or heard any evidence of this. |
Quoting Ecflyer (Reply 42): For the longest time, the teachers' union effectively smeared any attempt at charter schools, testing, etc. |
Quoting nikeherc (Reply 14): As far as Charleston goes, the first question asked when a 787 has a major malfunction is "Was it made in Charleston?" Thus far the answer is almost always "No." My experience in dealing with unions is that they protect the most incompetent with the greatest vigor. |
Quoting Nouflyer (Reply 47): Firstly, Qatar is a key US ally, and hosts an enormous American base. |
Quoting Nouflyer (Reply 47): My fear is that the 787 will also suffer the sort of accidents we associate with the Starfighter. |
Quoting Nouflyer (Reply 47): Firstly, Qatar is a key US ally, and hosts an enormous American base. |
Quoting Nouflyer (Reply 47): Secondly, Al Jazeera's English language news channel is probably the second most respected TV news operation in the world, after the BBC but far, far ahead of any American or mainland European broadcaster. |
Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 18): Funny enough, 787 is the only plane built at non-union CHS, and you don't hear them writing another story about the 737/748/77W ..... |
Quoting B777LRF (Reply 24): Having quality control issues is hardly something new for Boeing. Few years ago there was a documentary, focusing on the sub-contractors Boeing employes. |
Quoting travaz (Reply 25): AL-Jazeera is the same as any other organization that relies on eye balls for money. I believe the truth of the matter is somewhere between the documentary and Boeing's statements. All news organizations now need a sound bite to hook in some viewers. Those that believe will believe and those that don't won't. Remember NBC made a much ballyhooed charge about GM trucks in 93 only to be proven to be a set up. |
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 40): Boeing would not stay in business long if it produced planes that regularly fell out of the sky. Knowingly building substandard planes seems to me a pretty enormous gamble. |
Quoting holzmann (Reply 41): They should just go ask BP what happens |
Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 32): Sure the 787 has had many problems, but so has the A350 |
Quoting Nouflyer (Reply 34): Thirdly, it seems increasingly obvious to me that the 787 is the civil aviation equivalent of the F35 JSF: a very badly executed airplane which is unfit for purpose because the manufacturers chose to ignore the fundamentals of airplane design, construction and testing in favour of an assumption that stitching up the market is more important. |
Quoting Nouflyer (Reply 34): My fear is that the 787 will also suffer the sort of accidents we associate with the Starfighter. |
Quoting holzmann (Reply 48): Does Boeing have anything similar to the famous "Duales Ausbildungssystem" that is so wildly successful in Germany? |