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Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:29 pm

Starting May 2015!!!

KEF-PDX nonstop
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:31 pm

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.   

There is a market to PDX for Icelandair??

QUINCY, Mass., Sept. 9, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- Icelandair will begin seasonal non-stop service from Portland, Oregon to Reykjavik, Iceland beginning May 20, 2015 and continuing through October 21, 2015. With this new route, Icelandair now provides flights to its third gateway in the Pacific Northwest region of North America, and 14(th) overall in the United States and Canada.

http://www.providencejournal.com/bus...w-service-from-portland-oregon.ece

[Edited 2014-09-09 10:31:51]
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:31 pm

Right on! Portland must be a hot market during the summer season............
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:49 pm

Wow was not expecting this at all. Three nonstop destinations to Europe from PDX!
been quite the past couple days at PDX. First PDX-FRA is announced and now PDX-KEF. These will do well in PDX due to interline agreements with AS.

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PDX-FRA
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:51 pm

Quoting KPDX (Reply 1):
There is a market to PDX for Icelandair??

Maybe not between KEF and PDX only, but if Icelandair is able to offer good connections between this flight and their destinations in Europe... why not? If you don't have a non-stop flight from your home city (like eg FRA next summer with Condor), why not change flights half way without any detour (like with many other connections within Europe). Definitely not the worst thing do.
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:55 pm

I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for BA to PDX!!!!
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:56 pm

Quoting KPDX (Reply 1):
There is a market to PDX for Icelandair??

Sure. There may not be a ton of O/D between PDX and Iceland itself, but FI has done really well here in DEN by offering customers very reasonably priced flights to Europe at fares often several hundred dollars cheaper than its competitors. The stop at KEF isn't so bad when you're saving quite a bit that you can spend at your destination.
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:02 pm

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 5):
I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for BA to PDX!!!!

I think it's really doubtful you'll see BA start PDX now. PDX had a hard time supporting 2 carriers to Europe in the pas, and LH blinked. With the announcements from DE and FI, along with DL's PDX-AMS, that's probably all the Europe service PDX can support at this time.

Edited to add: Oops, I didn't realize FI is only 2 weekly seasonal service. I'd say BA is still a possibility under those circumstances.

[Edited 2014-09-09 11:19:24]
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:03 pm

Quoting KPDX (Reply 1):
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.   

There is a market to PDX for Icelandair??

I think you have to widen the scope by considering KEF as a hub between Europe and North America, with flights of shorter duration due to the location of said hub. And as reported, the service will be seasonal and twice weekly.
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:13 pm

FI is also increasing frequencies to YYZ with 4 x weekly morning departures from KEF and to IAD with 3 x weekly morning departures to IAD.
BOS increases to 21 x weekly and EWR to 6x.
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:28 pm

What next Thomas Cook Airlines and Thomson Airways to Gatwick? Is Oregon the new untapped summer destination now??
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:33 pm

It must be one long flight on the B757! What would be the top markets from Portland? UK? France? I suppose it will cater mostly for the US tourists visiting Europe.

How long would the flight be? It must be close to the limits of the B757, no?
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:39 pm

EWR, YYZ and IAD also seeing increased frequencies
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:40 pm

How is FI getting ahold of excess 757's with RR engines? I figured the freight companies would be scooping them up in droves.
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:49 pm

Quoting JU068 (Reply 11):
How long would the flight be? It must be close to the limits of the B757, no?
PDX-KEF is 3739 SM compared to EWR-TXL at 3980 SM. UA operates EWR-TXL with a 752, so I'd say PDX-KEF is well within the range of FI's 752s, especially considering it's only 16 miles further than SEA-KEF, which FI has operated for quite some time now. As far as flying time, it's blocked at 7 hours, 35 minutes.

[Edited 2014-09-09 12:02:18]
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:52 pm

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 14):

Great, thank you!
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:21 pm

Cant see BA being concerned by this, if they were ever to launch PDX. Nice niche route from FI. Theyre doing well. Excellent use of the mid region hub.
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:21 pm

This is awesome! Having just moved to Oregon State for a job this is welcome news. I'm looking forward to pricing out a trip to Iceland now!
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:54 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 7):
I think it's really doubtful you'll see BA start PDX now. PDX had a hard time supporting 2 carriers to Europe in the pas, and LH blinked. With the announcements from DE and FI, along with DL's PDX-AMS, that's probably all the Europe service PDX can support at this time.

Edited to add: Oops, I didn't realize FI is only 2 weekly seasonal service. I'd say BA is still a possibility under those circumstances.

I don't think FI would ever put a halt to BA and PDX. They both serve very different markets. BA offers connections to the whole of Europe and FI only connect to the more major cities in Europe.
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:03 pm

Quoting clemsonaj (Reply 17):
I'm looking forward to pricing out a trip to Iceland now!

Act quickly. When FI announced YVR and YEG, they offered screaming initial deals, which were soon snapped up. Return flights to KEF could be found for under $600 CAD.
Regular fares in the summer to or via Iceland aren't much cheaper than the established alternative airlines that overfly, but if you want a stunning stopover to many European destinations, choosing Icelandair is a great option.
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:07 pm

THIS IS INSANE.

Wow, haven't been this surprised by an announcement like this for a long long time!
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:17 pm

[quote=threepoint,reply=19]Regular fares in the summer to or via Iceland aren't much cheaper than the established alternative airlines that overfly, but if you want a stunning stopover to many European destinations, choosing Icelandair is a great option.



good point and from the pictures i have seen it seems there are more sunny days other than in summer in Iceland, albeit it shorter! Their off -season fares are hard to beat and they offer one ways which some folks may need. The legacies charge outrageeous one way fares
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:25 pm

Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 20):

Not insane at all... Most of Icelandair's passengers connect in KEF... And the 757 is a sensibly-sized plane. I'm sure they'll do well on the route!
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:27 pm

I meant insane in 'insanely good', positive, awesome.

INSANE, seriously.

Bet it will work fine, but totally out of left field!
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:43 pm

I think this route will do quite well. FI caters well to a lower-yield demographic - folks going on vacation who don't mind an extra stop, VFR crowd, etc. They don't cover the smaller European destinations, but their hub works well to larger places like the UK, Scandinavia, Spain, Paris, Germany, etc. They also have the experience of the (now-ended) Alaska Airlines partnership ... there were a reasonable number of pax connecting from SEA-PDX. I'm sure a seasonal service will do quite well for the summer holiday crowd, while DL will continue to get the bulk of business travel and connections to smaller European markets and beyond.
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:14 pm

I may have missed it, but when do these go on sale?
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:22 pm

I think they'll have no problem running this in the summer. Like DEN its a backpacker and younger people heavy destination both to/from Europe. I see no problems getting people in the seats and if they can do it for a lower price i think alot of people will pick them. Good luck, cool plane to see in PDX!

I think this will certainly hurt BA. Yes totally different market but its more seats in the summer with people headed to europe heavy destinations. PDX is certainly less attractive with all those seats headed to Europe now at low fares. Icelandair has like the southwest effect, it should lower the prices people pay to europe during the busy summer. Everyone wants to compete and watches each others fares.
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:15 pm

I would think all the new Europe-PDX service isn't too bad for Delta either...

The FI and DE service will most likely be low-yield leisure travellers to/from(?) Europe - DL will still have the business travellers, the Nike relationship, and those travelling beyond Europe's major cities as well as Africa and the Middle East.

Or, rather, easier than going up against BA.
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:27 pm

I can't figure out if this will hurt the chances of additional frequency to PDX.

If you look at Seattle, they've added a ton of service via Delta attempting to turn it into a hub.
And yet, so far at least, the only service that has stopped is United on SEA-NRT.

I realize they are very different markets, but maybe we can continue to see small cities like PDX add unique service like KEF-PDX, FRA-PDX that is really only stealing traffic from PDX-JFK-XXX on any other airline.

So, to fight back, we might see more direct PDX-Europe service.


The city and airport have changed a lot since 2007, more and more passengers, more and more business.
The economy still isn't great here, but we're getting better paying jobs downtown for creative types.

Companies like mine are adding staff and flying them around the world, and lord knows we prefer the non-stops.


So, I would love to see PDX-AMS and PDX-LHR co-exist year round with some summer season carriers thrown in.
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:30 pm

This is excellent news for the Portland/Vancouver metro area. My daughter flew Icleandair this past summer from SEA-KEF-CDG. She commented on the fact that there were at least 30 people on the flight that had also flown from PDX-SEA on AS, in order to catch the FI flight.
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:21 pm

Also keep in mind many people south of Olympia drive to PDX as it is normally cheaper and less headaches in PDX vs. SEA. PDX draws from a large albeit small population base. At 2x weekly I think it will do just fine.
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:41 pm

All those mid-tier cities vying for a BA flight should look to FI for a Euro-link. The right sized aircraft, the right connecting spot, some might even support year-round service at lower frequencies.
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:07 am

Schedule:
FI665 KEF1715 – 1815PDX 75W 24
FI664 PDX1540 – 0615+1KEF 75W 35
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:12 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 32):

wow, they sure dont utilize their fleet that much. Just like DEN, lots of ground time.
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:33 am

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 33):
wow, they sure dont utilize their fleet that much. Just like DEN, lots of ground time.

they are trying to fit the departure and arrival time to the bank in KEF. Arriving in KEF at about 06:30, doing a trip to a European destination and leaving KEF at about 16:30 for PDX.
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:34 am

Great news! As long as they keep SEA! I think PDX will be pretty good. Lots of retired folks in PDX that would jump on this service.
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:50 am

Congrats to PDX on yet another European route! This is very impressive indeed.

So this makes, what, 3 new foreign flags added as residents at Portland Intl recently? Way to go!

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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:55 am

Thank you SanFan! Were all shockingly excited too about the new recent additions.......It seem to be coming from way out in left field somewhere.....
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:04 am

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 35):
Great news! As long as they keep SEA! I think PDX will be pretty good. Lots of retired folks in PDX that would jump on this service.

Well SEA does great for them. They fly there daily all year long. Doubt they'll drop that.

Regarding having an aircraft sit on the ground all day: The low capital investment required for a B757 allows them to have them sit around.
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:23 am

Quoting JU068 (Reply 11):
It must be one long flight on the B757
Quoting jporterfi (Reply 14):
Quoting JU068 (Reply 11):
How long would the flight be? It must be close to the limits of the B757, no?
PDX-KEF is 3739 SM compared to EWR-TXL at 3980 SM. UA operates EWR-TXL with a 752, so I'd say PDX-KEF is well within the range of FI's 752s, especially considering it's only 16 miles further than SEA-KEF, which FI has operated for quite some time now. As far as flying time, it's blocked at 7 hours, 35 minutes.

PDX-KEF is about the same as many other transatlantic 757 nonstops, for example 1 nm further than PHL-AMS and 20 miles shorter than PHL-BRU. It's a couple of hundred miles shorter than a few 757 nonstops such as EWR-TXL and EWR-ARN.

PDX-KEF 3,248 nm

PHL-AMS 3,247 nm
PHL-BRU 3,268 nm
EWR-TXL 3,458 nm
EWR-ARN 3,415 nm
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:38 am

Awesome news. The Portland flight can also receive some passengers via the Alaska Airlines codeshare agreement, in particular, from Los Angeles.

Glad to hear Newark will see more service and it still amazes me Boston can go three daily during the summer.
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:42 am

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 35):
Lots of retired folks in PDX that would jump on this service.

I could be wrong.. But I really think the percentages of retired people in SEA metro and PDX metro are about the same.
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:51 am

Quoting stlgph (Reply 40):
Awesome news. The Portland flight can also receive some passengers via the Alaska Airlines codeshare agreement, in particular, from Los Angeles.

Unless there's a significant fare saving, I can't see many people in LAX wanting to make 2 stops and 2 connections to get to Europe when LAX has so many much more direct nonstop and 1-stop options. And with only 2 flights a week during the peak season I doubt FI will need to dilute their revenue with much interline traffic.
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:11 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 42):
Unless there's a significant fare saving, I can't see many people in LAX wanting to make 2 stops and 2 connections to get to Europe when LAX has so many much more direct nonstop and 1-stop options. And with only 2 flights a week during the peak season I doubt FI will need to dilute their revenue with much interline traffic.

It's for Iceland-bound tourist traffic. The Los Angeles area is one of, if not Iceland's largest North American tourism market(s) without nonstop air service.
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:23 am

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 3):
These will do well in PDX due to interline agreements with AS.

I'm absolutely convinced that was a measure used in FIs decision making process.

Quoting BobMUC (Reply 4):
if Icelandair is able to offer good connections between this flight and their destinations in Europe... why not?

IF? That is what FI has been doing for decades, and steadily expanding at a responsible rate.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 11):
It must be close to the limits of the B757, no?

Meh, the 757 just came into it's own when it started doing TATL service, what an amazing aircraft, all hail the 757!

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 14):
As far as flying time, it's blocked at 7 hours, 35 minutes.

Actually that's a do-able flight time, the break in KEF between planes is enjoyable more in the middle.

Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 20):
Wow, haven't been this surprised by an announcement like this for a long long time!

That is the understatement of the year .... Wow!

Quoting Vasu (Reply 22):
Not insane at all... Most of Icelandair's passengers connect in KEF... And the 757 is a sensibly-sized plane. I'm sure they'll do well on the route!

Truly one of the best examples of, despite the fact we speak the same language, we often times don't know what the other one said.

I laugh because my folks were raised in a Crown Colony in the 30s, 40s & 50s, they spoke perfect British, but I was raised here in America, this has happened to many before you, I enjoyed the luxury of understanding both dialects.

Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 28):
but we're getting better paying jobs downtown for creative types

You'd be surprised on how many of those creative type jobs are showing up in Washington County & Wilsonville.

Quoting alexinwa (Reply 30):

Also keep in mind many people south of Olympia drive to PDX as it is normally cheaper and less headaches in PDX vs. SEA. PDX draws from a large albeit small population base.

My friends in-laws live in Centralia and they always fly from PDX, unless it's a choice between connection from PDX vs a n/s out of SEA.

Quoting Miami (Reply 32):
Schedule:
FI665 KEF1715 – 1815PDX 75W 24
FI664 PDX1540 – 0615+1KEF 75W 35

Wow, a 21.5h RON at PDX, this schedule clearly optimizes FI's connecting potential, so this route is definitely geared around connections, with little to no O/D from PDX. But who knows, if PDX is a success in 2015, they'll be back in 2016 with more days a week, I doubt it'll be year round with SEA just up the road.

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 35):
Lots of retired folks in PDX that would jump on this service.

A larger percentage of young folks (which traditionally is FIs target audience) will use this as an International getaway. Portland is one of the youngest cities in America. Yes we have older folks too, but as a generality when it comes to Portland, retiirede folks aren't the largest demographic, not FIs target audience.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 36):
Congrats to PDX on yet another European route! This is very impressive indeed.

So this makes, what, 3 new foreign flags added as residents at Portland Intl recently? Way to go!

bb

Thanks for your continued enthusiastic support of our hometown. You have a lot of Fans here in Portland.

Quoting stlgph (Reply 43):
The Los Angeles area is one of, if not Iceland's largest North American tourism market(s) without nonstop air service.

Back when FI tried SFO, the choice was given to the employees as to which city they would serve LAX or SFO. The problem is, SFO nor LAX can be reached on the 752 with a meaningful payload, the Loftlieder 767 was not a fit into the FI system.

FI would have to acquire an entire new type to operate LAX, and given the outcome of the SFO trial, I'd expect LAX to remain un-served n/s, but with connections via SEA or now, PDX with AS.
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:53 am

I am seriously excited! I would most likely have taken the DL AMS flight to Europe next summer, but will seriously consider using this service and spending a few days in KEF while on my way with the waived charge inside of 7 days. There are a couple of trip reports on here that show some of the beauty of Iceland. Would love to add Iceland to the bucket list. This flight will help.
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:50 pm

A little off topic, but can FI's 757 make it down to FLL or MIA? I know they flight to Orlando but maybe the extra 200nm or so would be too much?
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:41 pm

Quoting yv773p (Reply 46):

FI used to fly to FLL even before winglets. So yes.
 
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:18 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 44):

Wow, a 21.5h RON at PDX,

FI has a similar RON at SEA, out bound leaves at 4:30pm and the inbound arrives at 5:45pm.
They must use these 22 hour RONs for maintenance...


I wonder where they found the extra airplane?
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RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:20 pm

Quoting natflyer (Reply 47):
FI used to fly to FLL even before winglets. So yes.

Did not know that. Thank you.
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