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BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:02 am

BA will fly the 388 on the 287/286 rotation, the later departure from both LHR and SFO, on Mondays, Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays. Tuesday and Wednesday flights will remain 744 operations.

Press release:

http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/2176419

For now SFO seems to have edged out the always highly anticipated MIA.
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:17 am

Very nice but a shame about MIA!
 
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Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:13 am

Very pleasant surprise...IIRC people were saying that all of BA's A380's were spoken for and that SFO would be left out. As much as I love BA's 747-436 fleet and hope to keep seeing them at SFO, if a replacement's going to happen, better an A380 than a 777   
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:45 am

Congrats to SFO! Definitely not a surprise.

How many carriers send the A380 to SFO now?
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:00 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 3):

Only LH and AF currently.
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:01 am

BA A380 routes

LAX
HKG
JNB
IAD
SIN
SFO

British Airways has a total of 6 A380 in fleet at this moment. With the 7th due for delivery soon.
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:03 am

I know BA have said they aren't going to buy any more A380s but I think we'll see a reorder a la SQ, there are too many destinations they need the volume - San Fran and Miami are full every day, in every class, and not reward tickets for FFs (try finding a seat with Avios if you don't believe me). Miami will definitely happen, BA ground crew at MIA have all been trained on the A380. Add in Singapore, Washington, Joburg, HK, plus SF, the 2x LA, they're running out of planes.
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:32 am

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 6):

I know BA have said they aren't going to buy any more A380s but I think we'll see a reorder a la SQ, there are too many destinations they need the volume - San Fran and Miami are full every day, in every class, and not reward tickets for FFs (try finding a seat with Avios if you don't believe me). Miami will definitely happen, BA ground crew at MIA have all been trained on the A380. Add in Singapore, Washington, Joburg, HK, plus SF, the 2x LA, they're running out of planes.

I agree. Maybe the Skymark frames.
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:05 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 6):

I agree. They have been adding the A380 to several routes already in just a short period of time.

BA only has 12 on order with 7 options. They might as well go for Skymark's frames. And make those options firm.

Clearly BA needs more A380s for several routes that have the demand.

To the point where you mentioned MIA. One of the reasons why BA chose SFO over MIA is because MIA has no A380 gate in the North Terminal. Yet.

I have no doubt in my mind that MIA will eventually see a BA A380. There's already training, a gate being built. But I can't say I'm surprised. SFO is definitely something needed.

Again, congrats to SFO and BA.
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:11 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 5):
With the 7th due for delivery soon.

Being delivered to LHR tomorrow 11 Sep
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:13 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 6):
I know BA have said they aren't going to buy any more A380s but I think we'll see a reorder a la SQ, there are too many destinations they need the volume - San Fran and Miami are full every day, in every class, and not reward tickets for FFs (try finding a seat with Avios if you don't believe me).

In such situations switching from a 744 to a 777W would be ideal, imagine the yields on those filghts.
BA only needs to closely monitor the noise in the MIA marketplace, once the complaints about lack of seats from paying pax gets to loud its time to consider additional capacity either by larger a/c or by more flights, slots at LHR for BA should not be an issue. I almost forgot the JV with AA, they could also pick up some slack, one thing I do not expect is anything that would dilute the current high yields on the route.

I also would not be shocked to see an A380 subbed for a flight to MIA, it is certainely a quicker turn around than one to SFO, of course time is relative  
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:13 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 9):
th the 7th due for delivery soon.

Being delivered to LHR tomorrow 11 Sep

when is the next BA A380 coming ?
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:30 pm

Reply 7
I agree. Maybe the Skymark frames.

I did wonder about that (or some of them - as there was talk of ANA I believe taking some for commuter routes)
If they wanted say 3 frames very quickly I am sure a deal would be on the table from Airbus.
However looking at their 7 options. You have to (I think) wonder about the Emirates NEO discussion.
We have seen (777-9) how 'other' airlines are now piggy backing onto Emirates orders to get the best deals. Why not BA? However such an aircraft would be 4 years away I imagine.

Whilst most would disagree if I were BA I would use the 'A380 factor' to bully smaller airlines off routes (as Emirates do). I would go for Cape Town (with existing JNB),Vancouver and Toronto.
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:48 pm

Beautiful aircraft for a beautiful city !

Quoting parapente (Reply 12):

I'm not sure 'bully' is the right word ? The A380 is available for any airline to purchase.
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:53 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 6):
I know BA have said they aren't going to buy any more A380s but I think we'll see a reorder a la SQ, there are too many destinations they need the volume - San Fran and Miami are full every day, in every class, and not reward tickets for FFs (try finding a seat with Avios if you don't believe me). Miami will definitely happen, BA ground crew at MIA have all been trained on the A380. Add in Singapore, Washington, Joburg, HK, plus SF, the 2x LA, they're running out of planes

.....and they haven't touched China or India yet.......
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:02 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 5):
LAX
HKG
JNB
IAD
SIN
SFO

Interesting...IAD, SIN, JNB, SFO all non-oneworld hubs.
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:59 pm

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 15):

Quoting Miami (Reply 5):
LAX
HKG
JNB
IAD
SIN
SFO

Interesting...IAD, SIN, JNB, SFO all non-oneworld hubs.

I can't speak for JNB but I'm pretty sure all of the others have solid yields. I can't remember an SFO-LHR flight I took on BA or anyone else that wasn't pretty full and the Bay Area with all of the tech corporations has to pull in lots of contracts.
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:23 pm

I don't know why BA ordered so few. Other than EK's super hub model, the A380 is virtually custom designed for LHR, in which BA is the major beneficiary

Also interesting that BA's A380 network has a large overlap with that of AF and LH, but BA has yet to express interest in sending the whale to India
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:49 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 3):
How many carriers send the A380 to SFO now?

LH and AF currently with EK coming in December. Still waiting for SQ 1/2...
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:59 pm

Quoting SFOA380 (Reply 18):
LH and AF currently with EK coming in December. Still waiting for SQ 1/2...

SQ 1/2 was flown by A380 sometime around december of 2012. I do not know why SQ downgraded it to a 77W after that. Also SQ never brought A380 again the following year 2013. Probably there was not enough traffic to justify a A380 in that route. If others have any insight into it I would love to hear it.
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:00 pm

I'm curious, how many A380 gates does SFO have now?

I connected thru the intl concourse last summer and I

only saw the one corner gate where a LH A380 was parked.

Rest of the concourse was 744's & 777's wingtip to wingtip.
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:04 pm

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 16):
I can't speak for JNB but I'm pretty sure all of the others have solid yields. I can't remember an SFO-LHR flight I took on BA or anyone else that wasn't pretty full and the Bay Area with all of the tech corporations has to pull in lots of contracts.

Right, it's just a different set of cities as I always thought of the A380 as an alliance hub to hub high density route a/c like Air France does with JFK>CDG and LH IAD>FRA (save EK of course). Good to see the A380 finding many uses.
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:23 pm

I bet this is a retaliatory measure being taken against Virgin's planned increase of SFO from daily to 12 weekly from S15 season !
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:28 pm

Sorry if this has been asked before, but what is a Skymark frame?
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:32 pm

One issue with BA having too many A380s is T5 (too many pax no space in lounges and on the TTS) and space on the ground for them when not flying. I guess when they get T6 manybe we will see more BA A380 orders.
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:35 pm

Quoting DAL763ER (Reply 23):

Sorry if this has been asked before, but what is a Skymark frame?

Airbus cancelled the Skymark A380 order due to worries they would not be able to pay for the frames.

Now the ones built are sitting on the tarmac in TLS awaiting a new owner. AFAIK, Skymark is still liable for the amounts as stipulated in the contracts so finding a new buyer is imperative for both Airbus and Skymark. ANA has been mooted to take on the Skymark frames in a high density domestic configuration whilst also taking a large stake in the airline.

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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:54 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 25):

One issue with BA having too many A380s is T5 (too many pax no space in lounges and on the TTS) and space on the ground for them when not flying. I guess when they get T6 manybe we will see more BA A380 orders.

The lack of A380 cargo space is a big consideration, BA is a major belly freight hauler. How many times has Walsh said they are not interested in more? As for the ones they are getting, they have to send them somewhere, thus the new destinations.
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:03 pm

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 15):
Interesting...IAD, SIN, JNB, SFO all non-oneworld hubs.

With Comair's operation in JNB, BA's operation shouldn't be overlooked and BA in South Africa have a much better reputation than SAA.
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:03 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 26):

This is not like EK who have placed triple digit orders.

With only 12 firm orders obviously BA are 'going to send them somewhere'

We all knew before the first delivery where BA would be sending them.
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:14 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 26):
As for the ones they are getting, they have to send them somewhere

Oh if ever someone's glass was half empty...  

Those damned A380 behemoths. What fool ordered them?  
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:14 pm

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 20):

The other 380 operators (EK, AF and now BA) operate from the A Concourse, you were in the G Concourse to see LH. But you question is valid, how many 380 gates does the A side have since all three operators are mid to late afternoon arrivals and departures. Also, both EK and BA allow boarding directly from their lounges so those specific gates would have to be 380 ready to continue this

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 20):
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:18 pm

Quoting Armodeen (Reply 1):
Very nice but a shame about MIA!

It is not currently possible for BA to fly the A380 to the North Concourse. Gate D1 should be complete in the third quarter of 2015 allowing A380 service to commence for W15.
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:20 pm

It was only a matter of time before BA scheduled the A380 for SFO. They are doing it now as routes demanding a larger a/c with larger premium cabins have now been covered. They were able to continue flying SFO with 2x daily 744s. Now they have the additional frame to bring in on the days with the largest demand.

Remember LHR T5 only has so much space for A380s. As it is now, how many international flights are having to dock at hard stands/bus gates?
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:26 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 10):
In such situations switching from a 744 to a 777W would be ideal, imagine the yields on those filghts.

I don't agree with this completely - if they downsize capacity, yes it pushes yield up but if they're always sold out, or only offering mega high fares, it puts them out of reach of ordinary travellers and they become a niche, boutique carrier. If they were always £300 more than UA (say), after a while, ordinary people will stop thinking of BA as a realistic option. You need a spread of fares to stay in the marketplace.

Quoting SelseyBill (Reply 14):
.....and they haven't touched China or India yet.......

I was going to say Beijing and Shanghai, for sure; I also though about India but only wanted to list the most desirable destinations, and it is true that to some extent, India is lower yield than other markets and thus not necessarily worthy of the capital investment of a couple of A380s. But I think definitely India in future.

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 15):
Interesting...IAD, SIN, JNB, SFO all non-oneworld hubs.

Yes because London is such an in-demand destination. Sure BA and LHR see plenty of transit traffic and T5 functions reasonably well as a hub, but you don't need hub-to-hub when you have London at one end of the route. Dubai, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Singapore - these are hubs (while of course having plenty of appeal as destinations, don't get me wrong, I am a fan of all of these places) but London is in it's own league when it comes to traffic volume, so you can actually fly to or from it from just about anywhere and fill an aeroplane with purely O&D traffic.
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:30 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 3):

Congrats to SFO! Definitely not a surprise.

How many carriers send the A380 to SFO now?

As stated above both LH and AF seasonal service. LH has gone year-round t the A his year. EK will start Dec 1st, also year-round. So the BA addition will make 4.

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 20):
I'm curious, how many A380 gates does SFO have now?

SFO has 4 Int'l gates that are set up for the A380, but only 2 have the tri-jetbridge setup.

The timing of BA is interesting and smart. With them operating is on the later flight, they should have access to A-9. This is the desired gate on A concourse, leaving AF and EK fighting for the gate earlier in the day.
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:37 pm

Quoting bharathkv (Reply 19):
SQ 1/2 was flown by A380 sometime around december of 2012.

It was just a holiday upguage.
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:01 pm

Quoting as739x (Reply 34):
SFO has 4 Int'l gates that are set up for the A380, but only 2 have the tri-jetbridge setup.

The timing of BA is interesting and smart. With them operating is on the later flight, they should have access to A-9. This is the desired gate on A concourse, leaving AF and EK fighting for the gate earlier in the day.

Agreed, I wonder if they chose the later flight (BA286 instead of BA284) to avoid the battle with AF and EK for the lone three-jetway gate in the A concourse. Any plans for SFO to add a third jetway to another A concourse gate? With the increasing number of A380 operators at SFO, I wonder if the airport will add a third jetway to the two A380-capable gates that currently have only two jetways.
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:23 pm

oh no what will happen to my direct First lounge access ?
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:31 pm



Quoting by738 (Reply 37):
oh no what will happen to my direct First lounge access ?

What do you mean? First is on the lower deck...you'll still be able to board from the lounge. Or is A4 not the gate the A380 will be using?

[Edited 2014-09-10 10:36:48]
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:42 pm

Quoting Lofty (Reply 24):
One issue with BA having too many A380s is T5 (too many pax no space in lounges and on the TTS) and space on the ground for them when not flying. I guess when they get T6 manybe we will see more BA A380 orders.

That's not the only problem with A380s at LHR. The extended separation required for an A380 is impacting the number of aircraft that can be processed on arrival and departure at peak times. Everyone was assuming that everything being equal, A380s would allow more passengers to be handled, but everything isn't equal. Taxiway congestion has also been a problem.
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 5:43 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 10):
In such situations switching from a 744 to a 777W would be ideal, imagine the yields on those filghts.

Not obvious. You may price yourself out of the market. People may choose to fly VS or connect through, say, AMS or FRA, instead of through LHR.
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:07 pm

Quoting DAL763ER (Reply 38):
What do you mean? First is on the lower deck...you'll still be able to board from the lounge. Or is A4 not the gate the A380 will be using?

A4 is not a A380 gate. BA has dibs on this gate due to direct access to their lounge. The A concourse gates that can accomodate the 380 are A-9 with the upper jetway and A2,which does not. These 2 gates will be spoken for between 12:00 and 15:00 when EK and AF are operating during the summer schedule.

BA Lounge passengers will have to make the walk of shame and be scene in public at they wall to one of these gates for their flight  
Quoting modesto2 (Reply 36):
Any plans for SFO to add a third jetway to another A concourse gate?

Not that I am aware of. The A concourse can ill afford any gates to be out of service for configuration at it is. With AS now moved there, A is packed extremely tight. The bigger concern is more 787 fitting.
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:28 pm

Quoting as739x (Reply 41):
make the walk of shame and be scene in public

One wonders whether the A380 is really worth it...  
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:29 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 33):
if they downsize capacity,

BA's 77Ws are configured for up to 297 passengers (F14 / J56 / W44 / Y183). Their 'Hi J' 744s are configured for 291 (F14 / J70 / W30 / Y177). So yield wise the 744 is premium class rich. However the overall capacities are pretty equivalent.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 33):
Sure BA and LHR see plenty of transit traffic and T5 functions reasonably well as a hub,

Heathrow Airport Ltd's published data for 2013 illustrates this. They report 26.0 million transfer passengers over the year. This is 37 per of all passengers.

There are quite a few airports with a higher proportion of transfer passengers but with a couple of exceptions the absolute size of LHR puts it up amongst some of those airports that are more widely regarded as being a hub operation.
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:04 pm

Quoting as739x (Reply 41):

I am guessing that the carrier that uses A2 will need to be towed into the gate?
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:06 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 3):

Congrats to SFO! Definitely not a surprise.

"Congrats" until you arrive on the AF A380 right after the EK A380 and maybe a few other 77Ws. Have fun at customs!
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:37 pm

Quoting legacyins (Reply 44):

Quoting as739x (Reply 41):

I am guessing that the carrier that uses A2 will need to be towed into the gate?

Correction. Its A-1. My bad!

Quoting modesto2 (Reply 36):
Any plans for SFO to add a third jetway to another A concourse gate?

Just told from a reliable source G99 will be the next with the upper jetbridge installed.

http://www.cmaanorcal.org/pdfs/112912_sfo_presentation.pdf

Page 10 shows that A9 and A1 are A380 capable. No indications that the new B pier will have capabilities. Though that can change, as a few of these gates will have a connection to CBP via a walkway
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:56 am

Schedule:
BA287 LHR1405 – 1655SFO 388 x23
BA286 SFO1905 – 1315+1LHR 388 x23
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:09 am

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 33):

  

Don't worry I agree with what you said I was just amused by your a.net diplomacy skills. What time you due back at the Embassy ?
 
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RE: BA A380 To SFO From April 2015

Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:51 am

My next guess is that CPT will see the BA A380 sooner rather than later. Not saying it will be before MIA but I would not be surprised given that VS has dropped the route, BA is now the only airline flying direct year round.

CPT has always been a solid performer for BA with 777/744 so it would make sense.

Can definitely also see them taking more frames, but in typical BA style they will downplay their happiness with the A380 and remain conservative - should help achieve a better price for them too perhaps.

MIA is a no-brainer and further Far East expansion too

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Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos