gilesdavies
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Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Wed Sep 10, 2014 11:36 pm

I am very out if the loop with Delta and their 767-300ER Improvements, and how the programme to refurbish the cabins and bring them up to date was progressing?

I have tried searching and everything seems very old and refers to their Domestic 767 fleet.

I am sure I remember reading a year or so back that Delta was to improve their product on the 767-300ER for international travel to bring on-par with their 777's and A330's, but due to the sheer size of this fleet type, it would take some time...

How is this progressing and do these new improved aircraft operate on the London and Manchester routes?

Could anyone recap on the IFE type and seats used.

Be honest is it comparable with the rest of their Long Haul fleet!
 
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:15 am

All aircraft are refurbished. New overhead compartments and IFE. Awesome product.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:16 am

Quoting gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Could anyone recap on the IFE type and seats used.

All have been refurbished as already stated. All feature Panasonic AVOD, Thompson Vantage flat bed seats in BusinessElite, and Weber/Zodiac 5751 seats with winged headrests in Y.
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:13 am

While I did not fly the refurbished 763 across the Atlantic, I did fly it across the pacific SEA-KIX right before the route was cancelled and I had a great experience on the aircraft. If you are looking at booking a trip and were hesitant cause of it I would book it!

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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:28 am

Flew one SEA-ATL last October. Comfortable, nice ride, expansive IFE offering.
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:16 am

I'm going on one AMS-ATL in a month. Really looking forward to the flight, haven't done transatlantic on a 767 before  
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:51 am

Fantastic product!

I flew a JFK-CDG last year and the new leather seat and AVOD are gorgeous.
Looking forward to fly again on one of these cozy 767 instead of the sardine cans 777 others are using...

All DL 767 refurbished? even the non-wingletted?
I saw one without winglets at CDG about one month ago I thought it should be the old interior

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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:01 am

Quoting varig md-11 (Reply 6):
All DL 767 refurbished? even the non-wigletted?
I saw one without wiglets at CDG about one month ago I thought it should be the old interior

Yes. All 767-300ER and 767-400ER aircraft have lie flat seats, pivot overheads nose to tail and AVOD nose to tail.

Some of the 763ERs don't have winglets however.


Also the domestic 767s all have nose to tail AVOD.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:18 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 7):

Some of the 763ERs don't have winglets however.

But all of Deltas 767 fleet will eventually have winglets, right?
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:50 pm

Thats great to hear all the positive feed back!

I am due to fly them next March and realised after it was on a 767-300 and at the time was a little unhappy. I have been spoilt with A330's and 777's in recent years.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:01 pm

Looking forward to my trip next week on both the reconfigured A330-300 and the 767-300ER coming back. I haven't been on either since their mods.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:13 pm

Recently flew to AMS from ATL and back from LHR on DL's 763 and the experience was quite nice overall. Solid IFE, comfortable cabins. The only downfall was the lavs. On those longer flights those things smell! It amazes me how poorly people treat the lavs on flights. One can only wonder what their homes are like...
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:13 pm

We flew in Economy Comfort on DL's 767-300ERs r/t ATL-VCE back in July. We thought the product was very good: great IFE; comfortable in A and B both ways. We were very happy with the food/beverage service. The middle-of-the-night duty free hawking by the flight attendants was a bit annoying on the flight to VCE, but otherwise both flight experiences were nice, a vast improvement, we thought, for DL. Talking with a colleague and his wife in Venice who flew on AA ORD-FCO, it doesn't sound like there was any comparison. They did not enjoy their AA trans-Atlantic experience.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:27 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):

Looking forward to my trip next week on both the reconfigured A330-300 and the 767-300ER coming back. I haven't been on either since their mods.


The 767s are definitely much nicer than they used to be. They do not have the spacious feel of the A330 or 777, but the three abreast seating in back is a huge advantage with this aircraft. The refurbishments have made the 767 much more comfortable, even if there is still the sense that the aircraft is smaller than other ships. Note that the lavs are still smaller than on the 777 and A330. This can be unpleasant at times.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:09 pm

Quoting 727tiger (Reply 12):
The middle-of-the-night duty free hawking by the flight attendants was a bit annoying

Shouldn't be a problem any longer, as Delta ceased offering inflight duty free shopping in August.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:36 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
Looking forward to my trip next week on both the reconfigured A330-300 and the 767-300ER coming back. I haven't been on either since their mods.

If you are flying in economy, please share your thoughts on your flights since i will be on the A333 heading back from the states  
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:02 pm

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 13):
Note that the lavs are still smaller than on the 777 and A330. This can be unpleasant at times.

Don't know about the Y lavs, but the J lavs on the refurbished DL 763ERs are larger and more spacious than the A330 and 777 lavs (except for the humongous 777 handicap lav).
 
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:06 pm

Quoting SDLSimme (Reply 15):
If you are flying in economy, please share your thoughts on your flights since i will be on the A333 heading back from the states

Not all of the A330 reconfigurations are completed yet, although if you are in economy the A330 mods are much less dramatic than the 767 mods.

Post-reconfiguration, I think the 767-300ER/767-400ER are the nicest aircraft in the fleet for economy passengers. Big bins, wide seats, high ceilings, and almost no chance of a middle seat.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:13 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 17):
Not all of the A330 reconfigurations are completed yet

Actually, they are all done - have been done since the end of May 2014. All of DL's widebodies now have direct aisle access J seats and nose-to-tail AVOD PTVs.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:16 pm

Quoting panamair (Reply 18):
Actually, they are all done - have been done since the end of May 2014. All of DL's widebodies now have direct aisle access J seats and nose-to-tail AVOD PTVs.

That was quick! Thanks for the correction.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:23 pm

Quoting panamair (Reply 16):
Don't know about the Y lavs, but the J lavs on the refurbished DL 763ERs are larger and more spacious than the A330 and 777 lavs (except for the humongous 777 handicap lav).

My favorite feature in the lavs (besides the cool lighting) is the infrared sensing faucet which allows the passenger to avoid touching the sink area. There's also a large green or red light to indicate if the lav is in use.

I've flown this aircraft countless times, and I love the BusinessElite configuration. If you're traveling with someone, the center section with two seats is great. If you're traveling alone, the single window seats work well, especially the ones configured with the seats closest to the wall.

Above all else, I'm thrilled that the old 767 overhead bins are gone. I've always been a fan of the 777-style recessed bins, and they work well (albeit smaller) on the 767.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:37 pm

Quoting tistpaa727 (Reply 11):

Recently flew to AMS from ATL and back from LHR on DL's 763 and the experience was quite nice overall. Solid IFE, comfortable cabins. The only downfall was the lavs. On those longer flights those things smell! It amazes me how poorly people treat the lavs on flights. One can only wonder what their homes are like...

After eating the food on overseas flights, the loos are going to have an odour not akin to living beside a rendering plant.
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:12 pm

Quoting SDLSimme (Reply 15):
If you are flying in economy, please share your thoughts on your flights since i will be on the A333 heading back from the states

I've flown on both the old and refurbed A333 and 763, here are my thoughts:
Old 763: slightly dated looking, monitors for IFE
Old A333: slightly dated interiors, small AVOD screen
New 763/A333: good seats, awesome screen size, easily navigable touchscreen

As far as cabin service, I've been very happy with DL's performance since 2012, it's the perfect blend of professionalism and casual American charm.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:13 pm

Quoting LH707330 (Reply 22):
New 763/A333: good seats, awesome screen size, easily navigable touchscreen

How is the legroom in economy? Are the new seats of the thin type that gives you more room for your knees?
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:52 pm

Quoting SDLSimme (Reply 23):
How is the legroom in economy? Are the new seats of the thin type that gives you more room for your knees?

The legroom's not bad, I'm 1.91m and was fairly comfortable on a 10-hour flight. They seem somewhat slimmer than the old ones, but not like the new short haul ones.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:19 pm

Quoting SDLSimme (Reply 15):
If you are flying in economy, please share your thoughts on your flights since i will be on the A333 heading back from the states

I Don't want to derail the 763 thread, but since you asked, I was in Y on the A332 just last week on CDG-SLC. Very clean and comfortable interior. Extensive IFE offerings. USB power at every seat. Very professional service. Pretty good catering out of CDG. Three major rounds of cabin service: lunch after departure, mid-flight snack (olives, crackers and hummus), and calzones + ice cream before arrival. Water service almost every hour, including an early round when they offered large bottles (500 ml I think). It was a major shift from my outbound flight the previous week, on one of AZ's old 332s from Air One...
I was in 22A -- window seat at the 3L exit row. Great seat, although I wouldn't want 22B. Crowds were congregating near the lavs throughout the flight, and were constantly bumping him and/or invading his personal space. People kept hitting his IFE screen or tripping on his feet. But they didn't ever come over near the door by me. I think it helped that there is no break in the overhead bins over that door. The lav did start to get smelly after about 6-8 hours.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:38 pm

Quoting SDLSimme (Reply 23):
How is the legroom in economy? Are the new seats of the thin type that gives you more room for your knees?

Both are slimline seats, although the 763ER uses the Weber/Zodiac 5751 while the A330 uses the B/E Aerospace Pinnacle.
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:23 pm

Quoting SDLSimme (Reply 15):
If you are flying in economy, please share your thoughts on your flights since i will be on the A333 heading back from the states  

I flew AMS-DTW last week on N820NW (an A333). The interior refurbs were amazing, and I was sitting in Economy Comfort. The seats were comfortable and the AVOD works like a dream (especially compared to some of the older systems) and a small number of A330's have WiFi available as well, but I don't have a count on which ones do, the installations were suspended for the summer season.

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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:58 pm

Quoting hilram (Reply 8):

No.
 
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RE: Delta 767-300ER Trans Atlantic - Improvements

Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:28 am

To add to what others have said, the 767 makeover reminds me a lot of the NW DC9 refurb back in the late 90s, they took an aging fleet that while functional wasn't anything to remember. The new cabins are a vast improvement, the older aircraft now feel fairly new, bright, clean and open. Despite still being "old" they feel new and most people won't know the difference.

Plenty of room even in Y. I'm 6'2" and while anything in coach is a squeeze, it's doable and the new seats are not nearly as hard as the old ones. Big improvement. If you have the chance to upgrade to EconomyComfort/Y+ do it. The extra space alone is well worth the money and I believe the pricing is very reasonable.

On the A330s, the old cabins weren't bad but they were cramped, lots of fun sticking my knees into the tray table. The AVOD was decent but laggy and felt out of date or behind compared to the tablets or phones. The J cabins were also functional and comfortable but getting behind the curve.

I flew to AMS in March to try the new A330 J product and I felt mixed--the fully lie flat product is new and exciting, having a "suite" is neat and being able to put the seat in any position you can think of and the huge AVOD screen is a much appreciated upgrade. But I found the seat very hard and "crunchy", I ended up using the new down blanket to cushion it some. That helped. If you're any taller than me, about 6'2"--you're going to be curled up on your side in order to fit laying down. My only other complaint was the total lack of storage at the seat, I found myself jumping up to the overhead far more than I would have liked. Overall I believe it to be an improvement and would recommend it to others.
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