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Column - Build New Airport Between CVG And DAY

Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:48 pm

I was reading the newspaper here in Cincinnati yesterday and one of the opinion columns was rather interesting- they suggested building a new airport somewhere in Butler or Warren County about halfway between Cincinnati and DAY, instead of having the two airports compete. They argued that it will probably attract international service.

Thoughts?

My opinion- good idea, but it's not viable. DL has the lease on its terminal for the next few years or so, and finding land in ever-expanding Butler County will be problematic. And costly. Not to mention the building costs.

CVG is simply too large to replace, but I can see it becoming a very large international cargo hub, more than what it is today.

I think this column writer, who lives somewhere in Deer Park, wanted this because they're sick of driving an hour to DAY for WN's low fares.
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RE: Column - Build New Airport Between CVG And DAY

Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:59 pm

Might have been a good idea in 1950. Today you would be improving only a few people's door-to door journeys. And harming many other journeys, because the airport is farther away in most cases. Change is good now and then. But it sounds a little bit non useful.
 
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RE: Column - Build New Airport Between CVG And DAY

Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:02 pm

Was it this?
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/opin...-airport-to-serve-region/15326251/

This is not even an opinion column or op-ed by any credible person in the media or public official. This is a letter-to-the-editor from a reader.
There is nothing feasible to this idea at all.
 
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RE: Column - Build New Airport Between CVG And DAY

Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:18 pm

The writer was undoubtedly thinking of the very same Dallas/Ft. Worth concept and the simple fact that many people are driving further distances to an airport or alternate airport whether it be for airfares or schedules, or reductions in their hometown anyway. CVG/DAY is just one example. CLE/CAK. Toledo people primarily rely on DTW.
 
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RE: Column - Build New Airport Between CVG And DAY

Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:03 pm

50 years too late for this one.

Here's a better idea: Spend the money on a proper high speed train from Dayton (and elsewhere) to CVG. While you're at it, extend it all the way up Ohio to Cleveland and over to Chicago. Seems this almost happened until someone's Governor threw a political stunt at it... that's all I say on the matter  
 
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RE: Column - Build New Airport Between CVG And DAY

Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:16 pm

Nothing new here.

When I lived in the Cincinnati area in the 70's this was bandied about several times ..
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RE: Column - Build New Airport Between CVG And DAY

Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:17 pm

And why pollute Butler county with noise? DAY and CVG won't close, so you spread out the noise across the entire region. Having lived in Butler county, the 45-60 minute drive to either airport wasn't so bad, better than the noise and congestion a closer airport would cause. And the state roads in the area are already pretty backed up during peak times, add in airport traffic to that and it's unlivable.
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RE: Column - Build New Airport Between CVG And DAY

Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:51 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
I think this column writer, who lives somewhere in Deer Park, wanted this because they're sick of driving an hour to DAY for WN's low fares.

So because someone is sick of the drive, a few billion should be spent leaving two stranded existing airports (if closed)?

We use DAY and CVG based on price and time. Yes, we drive. We also go to the Mason area. It just isn't that bad.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
They argued that it will probably attract international service.

So what if it would? What's the cost/benefit analysis of that?

Just cause it makes it print doesn't make it worthy of consideration.
 
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RE: Column - Build New Airport Between CVG And DAY

Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:20 pm

Heck, if this was a viable alternative, Wilmington (ILN) or Springfield (SGH) would already be massive international hubs. They're ideally situated between DAY, CVG and CMH.

Obviously, the business case can't be made for either of these, so how would it be any better to do a clean sheet airport or massive expansion at Hook Field?
 
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RE: Column - Build New Airport Between CVG And DAY

Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:23 pm

Quoting gregarious119 (Reply 8):

That's exactly right -- if any airport is ideally situated as-is (without building a completely new one from scratch, or converting a small GA airfield) ILN would be it. The only leakage then would be south of 275 in NKY, some point East of Newark or maybe Zanesville where CAK would start to be competitive, and likewise well up 33 Northwest of Columbus or likewise North of Dayton up I-75 toward TOL, and then past the Polaris area North of Columbus towards CLE (and that's probably conservative, but wouldn't see it any South of there).

The theoretical catchment area would be pretty sizable, both geographically and population-wise, and would likely support a bit more int'l service than current (the 1x CVG-CDG flight).

BUT, you'd need good HSR to each of the Cincinnati, Columbus, Dayton, and Springfield city centers, plus reasonably good suburb/edge city connections too. Not an easy (or cheap) feat.
 
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RE: Column - Build New Airport Between CVG And DAY

Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:53 pm

I can't think of anywhere along 75 that might be able to support a new airport, and the only existing one between DAY and CVG ON 75 that could handle jets would be MGY, but they're lacking runway (5000', with a displaced threshold if you land on 20. It theoretically could be extended with the help of eminent domain). Plus, they've had problems with NIMBYs, who were kindly told "Pony up the money to sue us or shut up" by the City.

Since we're spitballin' (in response to the ILN suggestion):

As a Zanesville native, CMH (1 hr) is/was always the primary option for our travel, with DAY (2 hrs) as a rarely-used secondary. With the speed limit at 70, Google Maps has CAK now at 1 1/2 hrs away, but it might have been a bit longer when we were still Slowhio prior to 2013 (with CAK's advantage today being that it would be 70mph all the way, as opposed to CMH or DAY where it still ducks to 65 just from just East/West of Columbus and in all of Montgomery County (the last 11-12 miles to DAY).

Assuming some sort of super-airport for the Columbus, Dayton, Springfield, and Cincinnati markets were to be built at ILN, ILN is just under 2 hours away, and would make CAK top of the list only if CMH were to close. The one twist in all this would be the nearest airport with commercial service at that point would become...PKB (Parkersburg, WV/Marietta, OH), which is an EAS airport.
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RE: Column - Build New Airport Between CVG And DAY

Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:22 am

Meh, coulda shoulda woulda. In an ideal world, way back when LUK needed replacing, they probably should have built something north of the city. The point is moot now, CVG is a perfectly capable and well-built (over-built even) airport to serve the region. Constructing or expanding a new airport for the region would be an unnecessary and expensive fiasco. Any suggestion of a new airport is just probably irrational friction from Ohioans who still haven't gotten over the fact that the airport is in Kentucky....and they need to get over it fast. The Cincinnati metro area spans three states, each side needs to work together to move the region forward and not be hung up on petty jealousies.
 
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RE: Column - Build New Airport Between CVG And DAY

Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:29 am

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
My opinion- good idea, but it's not viable. DL has the lease on its terminal for the next few years or so, and finding land in ever-expanding Butler County will be problematic. And costly. Not to mention the building costs.

Which airline is going to hub there? AA and UA are hubbed at ORD and DL is hubbed at DTW and MSP. The only other large airlines that might make use of a hub would be WN (which is hubbed at MDW and STL) or maybe B6 (and that would be an odd hub for them). Not VX.

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RE: Column - Build New Airport Between CVG And DAY

Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:10 am

Clearly this is a CRAZY idea. Would be a good idea before CVG was built.

There is already way too much capacity, can you imagine building a new airport!

This would be a what $5 billion idea minimum even if someone donated the land? Costs would go thru the roof for airlines and customers! Higher costs you will make service leave if anything. CVG is kind of lucky to have 767 service to CDG on DL, an airport in between could what maybe attract a single additional international flight to Europe? Maybe is the key word. That airport would never be a legacy hub and would never be able to attract a major amount of international service. The high costs would be carried by the passengers and everyone would need to drive alot further. Business would suffer also instead of having an airport close to both cities, everyone would have to drive.

CVG is at a good point right now. Delta has released its grip on fare locking and the ULCC have finally entered. Fares have and will continue to come down. Relief is finally here and lower fares are good for business.

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