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Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:47 pm

Another 747-400 bites the dust : Air New Zealand retires its last 747-400 jet.

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Air New Zealand's last Boeing 747-400 affectionately referred to by pilots as "Daddy's yacht" completed its final flight in teal livery today, as the airline ushers in a new generation of long-haul aircraft.

The 16-year-old aircraft registered as ZK-NBV, also named Christchurch, made its final touchdown with Air New Zealand this morning on a flight from San Francisco to Auckland.

The company introduced its first 747 in 1981 and has operated 13 since then.

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http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/air-...s-747-goes-into-retirement-6078641
http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/6...ng-747-400s-completes-final-flight

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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:54 pm

Only 16 years old and destined for the chop no doubt  
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:16 pm

Quoting Armodeen (Reply 1):
Only 16 years old and destined for the chop no doubt  

From the articles:

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The company will not say what it intends to do with the 16-year-old aircraft.

But, it is understood the carrier is in negotiations to sell it to another airline for continued use.
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Before its final flight ZK-NBV had completed 67,552 flight hours and 7284 landings.

Air New Zealand said it could not confirm details of the future of the aircraft due to commercial sensitivities.

But the aircraft was likely to continue flying elsewhere, unlike many of its predecessors which ended up in wreckers' yards.

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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:19 am

Sad to see the end of the 744 for another operator.

My only NZ 744 flight was a dream!

Our 763 from SYD-AKL went tech in SYD because of, what I was told, 'water flooding'. We were delayed about 5 hrs until a replacement was flown in from AKL. It was a 744. The 767 flight had a very small load and every single pax was upgraded to either F or J. I had a nice J seat so the delay turned into a J ride on a NZ 744 instead of Y in a 763. However, I missed my connection to LAX and had a much longer layover in AKL... That was back in 2002 IIRC.
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:11 am

The One News piece says that they've agreed to sell it to another airline. That's news to me (and several sources contradict it), but I hope its correct. 16 is much too young to meet the scrapper!

I've got plenty of fond memories of Air New Zealand 747s; ZK-NBT was the second plane I ever flew on, I been into the flight deck of ZK-SUH and stood in the engine of ZK-NBU. Compared to other aircraft, I don't particularly like flying on 747s as a passenger, but I'll miss the aircraft nonetheless.

Now that the last Air New Zealand 747 is retired, the only 747s that regularly operate to Auckland Airport are those of China Airlines, Singapore Airlines Cargo and Atlas Air (operating for Qantas). None of these services are daily.  
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:39 am

And again, SFO was the last airport to get the 747. I wonder why.

In the last month, SFO has lost the CX, PR, and now the NZ 744s.  
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:46 am

So sad to see another airline retiring the 747-400.   

Fly on them as long as you can. Not many left apparently.

I did 249 flights on the 744 in my life and more to come.   

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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:56 am

Hi zkojq, I saw on your list you were in the cockpit of ZK-SUH. I just saw her in VCV a few weeks ago. I think the week after I took this picture, there was more missing off of her.
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:35 am

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 2):

From the articles:

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The company will not say what it intends to do with the 16-year-old aircraft.

But, it is understood the carrier is in negotiations to sell it to another airline for continued use.
Quote:
Before its final flight ZK-NBV had completed 67,552 flight hours and 7284 landings.

Air New Zealand said it could not confirm details of the future of the aircraft due to commercial sensitivities.

But the aircraft was likely to continue flying elsewhere, unlike many of its predecessors which ended up in wreckers' yards.

V/F

I am pretty sure that some charter operator will take it. 18 Months ago and only 744s older than 20 years were on the market, but now a few younger ones have been added. 16 years is nothing for a 744, and its got GE engines which seems to be the most desirable type for the secondhand market.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
In the last month, SFO has lost the CX, PR, and now the NZ 744s.

Sad indeed. But inevitable with many operators that had 744 fleets which are now more than 20 years old at average (the last NZ 744 frame is an exception). Even with lower fuel prices they would have not stayed on much longer. Thankfully I am in FRA which will be one of the few places where 747s will still be commonplace in 10 years time.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:46 am

Quoting n901wa (Reply 7):
I think the week after I took this picture, there was more missing off of her.

Crikey they don't waste time do they...

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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:31 am

Quoting n901wa (Reply 7):

Hi zkojq, I saw on your list you were in the cockpit of ZK-SUH. I just saw her in VCV a few weeks ago. I think the week after I took this picture, there was more missing off of her.

ZK-SUH is 7 years older than ZK-NBV so its not that much of a surprise its beings scrapped.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:45 am

Wow, another long chapter comes to an end.

NZ bought 742s back then when McDonnell Douglas didn't go ahead with the DC-10 Super 60s.

Had AA not cut corners on maintenance, who knows, NZ may have never ordered 747s at all. We'll never know.

Anyway, I always preferred that NZ's livery:



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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:48 am

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 11):
Had AA not cut corners on maintenance, who knows, NZ may have never ordered 747s at all. We'll never know.

From what I understand, the range/capacity advantage of the 747-200 over the DC-10-30 was a significant part of the reason the DC-10s were replaced at NZ, so I suspect even without the publicised disasters 747s would have ended up living here.

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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:54 am

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 12):
From what I understand, the range/capacity advantage of the 747-200 over the DC-10-30 was a significant part of the reason the DC-10s were replaced at NZ, so I suspect even without the publicised disasters 747s would have ended up living here.

NZ had DC-10-30s at the time and was looking for larger capacity aircraft (probably with better range too). Back then MDC was working on the DC-10-60s for which NZ had a real interest. IIRC they were interested by the Super 62.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:39 am

Sad to see the 747-400's disappearing from fleets all over. ZK-NBV was the first -400 I ever flew on, NRT-AKL in Apr '05. Flight was maybe 1/3 full. Had most of the aft economy cabin to myself...was a comfortable ride!
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:13 am

The increasing costs of fuel, the availability of very large twins, more reliable engines is quickly making the big 4 engine a/c like the B747 and A340 pretty much unneeded but of a few routes the A380 makes sense with.
Yes, it is a sad time for fans of these great aircraft like the 747, but reality is that their time of use is going away, much like with the B707 and DC-8.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:04 pm

wow, I saw one late Aug in SFO!
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:01 pm

I'm very lucky to have flown an Air New Zealand 744 from Auckland to Los Angeles in 2010, and it is sad to see the ranks of 747 passenger operators continue to dwindle.

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 6):
I did 249 flights on the 744 in my life and more to come.

I have 27 744 flights, with 6 other 747's segments thrown in. I fly on them every chance I get, so special thanks to United, Delta, Lufthansa, etc.
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:15 pm

Quoting HOOB747 (Reply 17):
I have 27 744 flights, with 6 other 747's segments thrown in. I fly on them every chance I get, so special thanks to United, Delta, Lufthansa, etc.

I have several more as well. Not sure, but I guess couple hundreds more.
And I am happy to have already 59 Boeing 747-8i flights 

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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:28 pm

Sad to see them go. I've had 5 flights on the NZ 744's Gonna be boring flying Air New Zealand now ...

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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:31 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 19):
Sad to see them go. I've had 5 flights on the NZ 744's Gonna be boring flying Air New Zealand now ...

I'm not so sure. The 744 looks beautiful on the outside, but on the inside is becoming outdated and the whole plane rattles uncomfortably. I will miss seeing them, but not riding in them!
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:31 pm

I think only the GE birds were left. I'm sure they're easier to sell than the more odd-ball RR ones.
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:35 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 20):
I'm not so sure. The 744 looks beautiful on the outside, but on the inside is becoming outdated and the whole plane rattles uncomfortably. I will miss seeing them, but not riding in them!

I have flown far worse 747's than Air New Zealand's ones. Besides, I'm gonna miss them because now there will for the most part only be 2 engines Aircraft around ...
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:03 pm

gosh, sad news. But I'm glad I flew one this year, Melbourne-Auckland

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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:04 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 18):
I have several more as well. Not sure, but I guess couple hundreds more.
And I am happy to have already 59 Boeing 747-8i flights 

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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:25 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 11):
Had AA not cut corners on maintenance, who knows, NZ may have never ordered 747s at all. We'll never know.



Having known someone close to the Erebus crash in November of 1979, I also would add that the airline was not happy with MD declaring the cause "Pilot error" before any conclusive analysis could be done. My recollection (I'm from NZ originally) is that there was some tension between the airline and the manfacturer that was promoted in the newspapers when the B742's were ordered....
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:50 pm

Very sad news. I captured two NZ 744s while I was in AKL back in 2006. I guess a part of me never imagined NZ without the 747. It's going to be weird when no major pax airline operates them regularly anymore.

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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:05 pm

Quoting brucek (Reply 25):
I also would add that the airline was not happy with MD declaring the cause "Pilot error" before any conclusive analysis could be done.

Indeed, not the wisest move. Perhaps was it a panic move as it happened to be the third DC-10 crash in six months.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:42 pm

I flew on a Air New Zealand 744 on my first trip to both NZ and Australia back in 2003. It was just a fantastic flight from LAX. I'm sorry to see them go.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:20 pm

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Anyone know if there was a water cannon salute for the last 744 arrival today? If so any pics?

There wouldn't have been one. Air New Zealand made a decision some years back to no longer allow water salutes on company aircraft.
 
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Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:53 pm

I flew an NZ 744 HKG-AKL and back in 2008. It was a fantastic experience from any point of view: great plane, fantastic airline. I'm sorry to see airline and plane part ways.
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:17 pm

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 29):

There wouldn't have been one. Air New Zealand made a decision some years back to no longer allow water salutes on company aircraft.

I wonder why. Surely the water won't hurt an airplane designed to fly through torrential rain.

Guess we'll be seeing the NZ 77W at SFO from here on out. Which Asia/Pacific airlines still fly the 744 now? QF, GA, CA (not for much longer), MH (has only one left), and TG come to mind.
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:29 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 32):
Guess we'll be seeing the NZ 77W at SFO from here on out

Daily 77W into SFO, and during peak periods an extra 3-4x 772 per week.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:36 pm

Quote:
but turns out it was pilot error.....despite efforts by some 'people of power' in New Zealand asking for full exoneration of the flight crew.

Off topic but if you do wish to call it pilot error, it is pilot error with a big asterix and a rather long editorial attached. As someone who has studied organisational culture and human factors in accidents, to just say pilot error simplifies the events leading up to the accident to a point where the conclusion people reach is frankly wrong. The 'what' the crew did is one thing, the 'why' is needed to fully explain the event.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:40 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 33):

Daily 77W into SFO, and during peak periods an extra 3-4x 772 per week.

Maybe we'll get the 789 from time to time. I do love that "All-Black" livery.
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:53 pm

Quoting wstakl (Reply 31):
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 27):
I also would add that the airline was not happy with MD declaring the cause "Pilot error" before any conclusive analysis could be done.

but turns out it was pilot error.....despite efforts by some 'people of power' in New Zealand asking for full exoneration of the flight crew.

   That's a very controversial point, and you do yourself a disservice by writing off those who don't view pilot error is the primary cause as "some people of power". There are those who will argue black and blue that it was pilot error, and those who will argue black and blue that the primary cause was a more systemic failure. http://www.erebus.co.nz/ is a good website which is fairly even handed in its laying out of the information. Regardless of which side of the Erebus debate one takes, I think we can all be very thankful that Justice Mahon's report was one of a small number of starting points for the aviation industry to begin to address failures at the level of safety culture which has led to a reduction in occurence of accidents, as opposed to a more straightforward apportioning of blame, which had not led to a reduction in occurence of accidents.

Anyway, obligatory Erebus discussion broached, let's return to 747-400s shall we?

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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:05 pm

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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:12 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 35):
Maybe we'll get the 789 from time to time. I do love that "All-Black" livery.

Sadly not likely, the 789 has been configured for the low yielding Asian Routes.
 
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Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:15 pm

actually ANZ schedule currently shows 5x B772 and 2x B77W into SFO.
 
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Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:27 pm

Quoting stealth777 (Reply 39):
actually ANZ schedule currently shows 5x B772 and 2x B77W into SFO.

That changes from next month when an 7th 77W is delivered later on this month, allowing SFO to go daily 77W.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:28 pm

Quote:
actually ANZ schedule currently shows 5x B772 and 2x B77W into SFO.

Actual weekly schedules vary but once ZK-OKS is delivered in a fortnight or so, more of those services will upgauge to the 77W.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:55 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 4):
Now that the last Air New Zealand 747 is retired, the only 747s that regularly operate to Auckland Airport are those of China Airlines, Singapore Airlines Cargo and Atlas Air (operating for Qantas). None of these services are daily.

I thought China Airlines was just A330s to here these days?

I'm trying to think of all the airlines who regularly operated 747s into New Zealand in the past:



Who else am I missing?

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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:23 pm

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 42):

Who else am I missing?

Wow, amazing how that list is whittled down to 2 freighters year-round and 2 extras (CI and KE) operating seasonally.

I think there were other regular freighters like Kalitta back in the day.
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:49 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 43):
Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 42):

Evergreen 741, 742
Polar Air 741, 742, 744
Air China 744
Ansett Australia 743

Garuda flew a few never regular though 742 and 744. There will be a few others with irregular EQP swaps to.
 
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Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:37 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 44):
Ansett Australia 743

I'd totally forgotten about the Spaceships! (Funny, I knew about them 12 years ago - How Many B 747-300s Did Ansett Australia Operate? (by United Airline Jun 17 2002 in Civil Aviation) - I'm feeling old!)

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Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:09 am

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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:18 am

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 45):
Couple of airlines that served New Zealand with 747s

I don't think either of those were regulars so much as charters from time to time. Any others we could add on that list?

When UTA merged with Air France did we get Air France 747s for a brief period? Or had they pulled out of here by then?

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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:34 am

You missed the BA 744 as well. It's a sad day as a 747 fan living in NZ. The triple just isn't the same
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:35 am

Sad to see an era of the great Queen coming to an end with so many airlines. Wouldn't be surprised if this ends up going to an Asian or Middle Eastern tour operator.
 
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RE: Air New Zealand Retires Last 747-400

Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:38 am

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 47):
You missed the BA 744 as well.

There aren't any pics of it here in the database.

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Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos