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Australian Aviation Thread 106

Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:02 am

It's time for the Spring Holidays edition of the Australian Aviation Thread. The blossoms are blooming and there are storm clouds in the sky. *Boing* *Boing*

Last time we discussed:

* QF 767s flight routes to VCV, flying retirement flights
* China - Australia routes
* QantasLink announce Wellcamp services, will others follow?
* Skytrans pulls TWB-SYD in response
* Flying 777s to the US, then other aircraft types
* 28/9 last QF 744 service to DFW, replaced by A388s from 30/9
* JQ 787 domestic legs
* BNE airport update
* VA advert features an A320
* What happens the JFK when QF aircraft go tech?
* VA 77W at KUL
* Jetstar announces Gold Coast to Wellington and Queenstown
* Scoot to operate 789s to SYD next year
* QF announces codeshares with WestJet in Canada
* Will QF join SkyTeam?
* Jetstar and Tiger to enforce carry on luggage limits
* JQ SYD-HNL to go 787 from Feb 19 2015
* QF announces seasonal flights to YVR
* Jetstar Japan's numbers rise
* UA to fly 788 to MEL, TG revert to 747 to SYD
* The Fiesta Route
* VA A330-200 VH-XFB heads to SIN

And thanks to RyanairGuru for his very amusing introduction to the last thread.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:57 am

I have heard that QF are set to retire the first of their remaining International configuration B767-300 in the coming week and I was told that it maybe stored in Alice Springs for the first time at the new storage facility there. I'm not sure of the rego?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:05 pm

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 1):
I have heard that QF are set to retire the first of their remaining International configuration B767-300 in the coming week and I was told that it maybe stored in Alice Springs for the first time at the new storage facility there. I'm not sure of the rego?

BZF

I have a contact in Alice Springs now but she hasn't told me of any QF metal stored in Alice. I will contact her and see.
I would be interested to know too...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:30 pm

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 2):

G'day Bunumuring, from what I understand, QF haven't sent it to Alice Springs yet, so it's planned to go there instead of VCV. I'm wondering whether a QF employee could confirm this movement?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:52 pm

Quoting allrite (Thread starter):
thanks to RyanairGuru for his very amusing introduction to the last thread.

It was never my intention to make it amusing  

But I guess I'll take any compliment nonetheless  
Quoting Sydscott, reply=194:
Now here is something to be excited about for the YVR fans!

*expletive deleted*

My first draft of this post would probably have been deleted for language content, but needless to say I am so ecstatically happy to hear this news that isn't imaginable!

Quoting DavidByrne, reply=198:
I guess there's a bit of slack in the B747 fleet?

Yes there is. By Q1 2015 they will be down to their 9 lines of 747 flying, so any additional 747s in the fleet are a bonus, although I have no idea what the Captain's Choice flying is like this summer?

Quoting 777jet, reply=196:
Just imagine how much more efficient / profitable this temporary SYD-YVR service could be if operated by a 777 or a 787 rather than a gas-guzzling 747

As Gemuser said, almost certainly negligible.

For 9 flights in high season QF make a mint on this on a fully-depreciated Constellation if they still had them in the fleet.

Now, if your question was whether QF could make YVR work year round with a 787 then that is a different question, and I believe that the answer is yes (as qf002 discussed in the last thread). A 747 is the wrong aircraft for YVR on a year-round basis (and I think QF would probably struggle with a 772 as well - hence why I've always been opposed to the "why did Qantas never buy the 777" threads), but the 789 would be the vehicle to make such a route work.

Quoting DeltaB717, reply=200:
Quoting bunumuring (Reply 199):
And try to log a WestJet 737-600 flight, swoon!

Way to make me jealous mate!!!

I've never flown on the 736, but IMHO there is nothing remotely noteworthy about the 735. It's the same as any other 737, but with a couple less rows.

I'm excited for my upcoming 757-300 flight, but I expect to get off and think "well that was no different to any other 757"

(sorry for the downer!)
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:05 pm

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 1):
I have heard that QF are set to retire the first of their remaining International configuration B767-300 in the coming week and I was told that it maybe stored in Alice Springs for the first time at the new storage facility there. I'm not sure of the rego?

Presumably this will be the first of the frames that are going to WS in the near future. It wouldn't make much sense for QF to send an aircraft to ASP unless they are confident that it will fly again.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:14 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 4):
It was never my intention to make it amusing

Sorry, subtly amusing. You need to look closely.   As usual I was in a rush. Very amusing would be talking about first class QF flights from OOL to the South Pacific via IVC.

I only just realised that my almost 6 year old son is, in his first year of Qantas FF membership, only 50 points off silver. Just a pity that he's reassessed at the end of the month and we are already booked to fly away for much of that on non-earning metal. Not that status would confer much benefit at his age!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:56 pm

Melbourne Airport's recent stakeholder presentation gave a sneak peek into the T2 redevelopment:

http://urbanmelbourne.info/transport...veals-a-new-international-terminal
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:03 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 4):
For 9 flights in high season QF make a mint on this on a fully-depreciated Constellation if they still had them in the fleet.

Let's see what plays out. At the end of the day, if the schedule does not fit in with the holiday dates of potential pax then I have a feeling those pax will not be flying QF to YVR - they will be flying one of the more permanent options that has flights every day all year round, or they will connect via the USA   Nonetheless, I would love nothing more than to see QF pull loads of 90% plus on these flights.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 4):
I've never flown on the 736, but IMHO there is nothing remotely noteworthy about the 735. It's the same as any other 737, but with a couple less rows.

As much as I'd like to tick off the 736, 737s do nothing for me so I try to avoid them   I did fly a 739ER just to log one of them though as they are the closest new Boeing in length compared to the 752  
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 4):
I'm excited for my upcoming 757-300 flight, but I expect to get off and think "well that was no different to any other 757"

If you sit at the back you will get off and think "that took much longer to load / unload compared to the 752 or any other plane - never again"... Since I logged my 753 I don't care about any other type. I was trying to log a 753 for a decade so I feel that I have achieved my life long goal by ticking it off LOL... I hope you get to ride it and do not suffer the equip changes that kept the 753 and myself apart for almost a decade...
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:07 pm

Quoting allrite (Reply 6):
first class QF flights from OOL to the South Pacific via IVC
Quoting allrite (Reply 6):
I only just realised that my almost 6 year old son is, in his first year of Qantas FF membership, only 50 points off silver.

Good for him, and to think that if he was already Silver then he would have enough to retain that!

I remember at about 6 or 7 being very disappointed that I narrowly missed out on OnePass Bronze. I really can't remember exactly what that entailed, as Continental changed from using Bronze/Silver/Gold for the elite tiers to the more usual Silver/Gold/Platinum over a decade ago.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 8):
At the end of the day, if the schedule does not fit in with the holiday dates of potential pax then I have a feeling those pax will not be flying QF

As a limited flying program announced at short notice, this is probably a "quasi-charter". I'd expect they already have commitments from the package consolidators to fill a large portion of the seats.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 8):
737s do nothing for me

I know we differ on this, but I'll take 737 over 32S any day and twice on sundays.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 8):
If you sit at the back you will get off and think "that took much longer to load / unload compared to the 752 or any other plane - never again"

That's what I've heard, and if it was an O&D flight then I would sit at the back for the "experience". As it is, though, I'm sitting as close to the front as I can as I have a pretty short connection and therefore don't want to take that long.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 8):
I hope you get to ride it and do not suffer the equip changes that kept the 753 and myself apart for almost a decade...

Well, I am secretly hoping it does change, so long as it is back to my original itinerary. Since booking the flights, I have been routed: BOS-LAX; BOS-ORD-LAX; BOS-EWR-LAX; BOS-LAX; BOS-ORD-LAX; BOS-IAD-LAX. I have my fingers crossed that BOS-LAX gets reinstated for a third time, but it doesn't look likely. If I have to go through IAD I may as well check something off, so I guess I will be disappointed if it becomes a 752 or 739.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:13 pm

Last weekend I was out at the beach next to SYD doing some spotting. I was truly amazed at how much capacity there is between SYD and NZ. I saw NZ birds of all sizes (except for the B789) departing/arriving, true they might not all be going to CHC or AKL, but still that is a lot of metal between SYD and NZ!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:12 pm

AFAIK, VH-OGR (which was withdrawn from service last Friday night) is planned for storage in ASP from this coming Friday. This is indeed the first international-configured 763 to be withdrawn, having only just done the QF3/4 rotation out on Wednesday and back on Thursday of last week.

Also, according to www.australianaviation.com.au VH-OGU operated the last scheduled international service of type, operating QF3/4 out on Friday and back on Saturday of last week.

Looking forward to my next work trip to DRW, with fingers crossed for one last trip on the 767 coming home. I'll miss them!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:15 pm

Quoting tayser (Reply 7):
Melbourne Airport's recent stakeholder presentation gave a sneak peek into the T2 redevelopment:

Looks great.

The expansion into the forecourt was discussed with a friend a while back and its great to see them release some concept images.

Very light filled and goes a long way to creating a much more pleasant travel experience.

Quoting csturdiv (Reply 10):
Last weekend I was out at the beach next to SYD doing some spotting. I was truly amazed at how much capacity there is between SYD and NZ. I saw NZ birds of all sizes (except for the B789) departing/arriving, true they might not all be going to CHC or AKL, but still that is a lot of metal between SYD and NZ!

Its amazing to see the amount of flights from SYD, MEL and BNE to NZ in general.

Given that SYD and MEL to AKL are both now 1 million + pax routes, it just goes to show how busy those routes are.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:39 pm

I've been told me that the last QF 767 flight would be QF490 on 27 December. Any truth to that? I'm very tempted to book.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 5):
Presumably this will be the first of the frames that are going to WS in the near future.

I've heard similar.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:45 pm

Looking at the schedules from 1st Jan 2015 onwards no more B763s.

SYD-BNE-SYD looks like all B73H.

SYD-MEL-SYD only has a few A330s with the rest B73H.

This will be a huge drop in capacity on both routes, and what about the reduced freight uplift?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:16 am

Quoting vhebb (Reply 14):
Looking at the schedules from 1st Jan 2015 onwards no more B763s.

SYD-BNE-SYD looks like all B73H.

My flight in October got changed from a 763 to a 738... my last chance to log the type. Devastated.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:46 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 13):
I've been told me that the last QF 767 flight would be QF490 on 27 December. Any truth to that? I'm very tempted to book.

After the 734 retirement I would recommend you exercise caution until the schedules are definitely set in stone much, much closer to the time. Especially as these (and the 734s) are operating domestic flights they could go at almost any point within a range of dates, as if demand is higher then they can stay an extra week or two, or if it is lower they can quietly bow out a week or two earlier. The 734s soldiered on for another week after what appeared to be the final flight in the original schedules.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:46 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 13):
I've been told me that the last QF 767 flight would be QF490 on 27 December. Any truth to that? I'm very tempted to book.

I called a friend who works for QF this morning before he starts work for the day (being in a call centre he often has varying shifts) so hopefully he finds out something about it - will send you a PM if he finds something and messages me.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 15):
My flight in October got changed from a 763 to a 738... my last chance to log the type. Devastated.

It's not unusual for that to happen - it happened to me twice, but thankfully they kind of made up for it, with the first time the aircraft being VH-VXB, the second time being my first flight on a 734. Managed to get my first time on a 763 with NZ a few months later (along with the first time on the 733, ATR-72 and A345 in the same trip).

QF schedules regarding aircraft type I found was fairly much subject to change on the Golden Triangle, but now with fewer aircraft types, it should be more predictable. Even the QF staff are grumbling that the reduction in capacity with the 738's means they have a harder time to get a seat on almost any flight using their staff travel benefits.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:28 am

With the 767's being retired, it will be interesting to see the level of capacity overall that will be reduced.

It will likely bring back some sanity to the overall market in line with demand though.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:33 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 15):
My flight in October got changed from a 763 to a 738... my last chance to log the type. Devastated.

Still should be able to get on an NZ 763 untill 2016
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:13 am

With all these 763's being retired where on the domestic flights there will only be the 73H's then a huge capacity jump to the 332's, any chances that both QF and VA will look into the 739's?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 5:08 am

I did notice in the schedules that a few extra frequencies have been added to the SYD-MEL and SYD-BNE perhaps to cover the B763 short fall?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 5:10 am

Extra QF SYD-OOL-SYD over the holiday period:

http://www.qantas.com.au/agents/dyn/qf/info/201409/0917

Extra QF Trans-Tasman over the holiday period:

http://www.qantas.com.au/agents/dyn/qf/info/201409/0918

Qantas and SriLankan Airlines announce a new codeshare agreement via Singapore:

http://www.qantas.com.au/agents/dyn/qf/info/201409/0917
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:08 am

In addition to vhebb's post - some more comments about China Eastern and their relationship with QF:

http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviat...ntas-alliance-20140917-10i403.html

I'm not sure how they would deepen the relationship although it is interesting to look at their load factor increase, 71% to 84%, and that they attribute part of that to brand awareness via QF channels in Australia. Also interesting that they see BNE, OOL and/or ADL as potential new destinations. I'd have thought BNE would be a logical next destination for MU in Australia especially since they're using the A332 which is probably the best aircraft for building such a service.

So we now have QF co-operating and codesharing in Asia with:

- JAL
- Asiana
- China Eastern
- China Southern
- China Airlines (Taiwan)
- Vietnam Airlines
- Bangkok Airways
- Jet Airways;
- Sri Lankan Airlines.
- Jetstar Asia
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:08 am

Quoting vhebb (Reply 22):

I noticed that codeshare was going to happen as soon as I saw UL shifting their UL301/302 timings. Should bode well for both QF and UL.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 14):

Dang it! I was hoping they'd put it for a while!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:13 am

Quoting vhebb (Reply 14):
SYD-MEL-SYD only has a few A330s with the rest B73H.

Daily A330s or just every few days? Perfect way to log an A332 flight with a weekend trip

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 20):
any chances that both QF and VA will look into the 739's?

I've always believed the B739/A321 would be perfect for QF/VA on the golden routes. JQ operates several A321 on their key domestic routes like OOL
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:18 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 9):
If I have to go through IAD I may as well check something off, so I guess I will be disappointed if it becomes a 752 or 739.

You won't really know until the plane has lifted off - sadly, that's the UA way. You board one plane to have a tech or other issue and are then moved onto a different type. I have no faith in them in regards to logging a particular type but once it has rotated it can enter the logbook   Nonetheless, UA is still my #1 for sentimental reasons...

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 15):
My flight in October got changed from a 763 to a 738... my last chance to log the type. Devastated.

The only time I booked a QF 763 was from MEL-SYD. I flew the JQ 332 to MEL that morning. Then I checked in at QF at the kiosk very early. We were moved to a 737. I was devistated. So I went and spoke to a human and said something like "I have narrow-body and Airbus phobia. I can't fly on 737s and I can't fly on the A330's. I only fly QF because you use twin isle Boeing planes on these short routes so can you please put me back on a 767...???" - he smiled and said he is an aviation enthusiast and understands how I feel and I got to fly on the OGH back to SYD... No questions asked. The guy was so nice. And, I got to log my first 767. I'm sure I had flown on many USA domestic 767s in the past as a kid but as I can't reacll they don't count IMO...

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 16):
Quoting zkojq (Reply 13):
I've been told me that the last QF 767 flight would be QF490 on 27 December. Any truth to that? I'm very tempted to book.

After the 734 retirement I would recommend you exercise caution until the schedules are definitely set in stone much, much closer to the time.

Yes. Wait until closer to the date. Unless it is a special QF 767 retirement flight it could even be changed on the day   I have no faith in QF sticking to the 767 schedules especially on the short domestic flights...
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:26 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 26):
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 9):If I have to go through IAD I may as well check something off, so I guess I will be disappointed if it becomes a 752 or 739.
You won't really know until the plane has lifted off - sadly, that's the UA way

Totally the opposite for me in regards to UA. Only had one change of aircraft (at UA's fault) since 2006 and that was a 787 flight from DEN-IAH. They couldn't get the correct crew to DEN, so re-booked the next morning on a B739 with a $250 voucher.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:35 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 27):
Totally the opposite for me in regards to UA. Only had one change of aircraft (at UA's fault) since 2006 and that was a 787 flight from DEN-IAH. They couldn't get the correct crew to DEN, so re-booked the next morning on a B739 with a $250 voucher.

Lucky you.

Hasn't the 787 has escaped from your plans several times?

For me it has been the UA 753 that had escaped my plans. A lot of equipment changes don't bother me know - it only bothers me when it is a type I really want to fly on - and that's usually when it happens. UA has improved a lot IMO over the last few year and also, IMO, DL has taken over from UA as the 'king of equipment changes'.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:51 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 28):

Yes twice now. First time was when the FAA grounded the 787. IMHO I was really lucky to get re-booked on a flight that worked for me as I didn't know about the groundings till I arrived at DTW, less then 12 hours after the groundings.

This past July I was booked on a B753 from DTW-SFO and two months before departure, it was changed to a B752. That's the only real aircraft change I've had from all my flights.

Now that NZ and JQ operate 787s in our part of the world, I know the 787 curse for me will end  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:15 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 29):
First time was when the FAA grounded the 787.

When they lifted the grounding and UA started operating the 788s on the hub-hub flightsa that is what allowed me to log my 788 so the grounding and timing of the lifting of the grounding was a blessing for me. I flew AUS-DEN-IAH-AUS and got to log two new types - 788 and 739ER - for about $140 USD  
Quoting 777ER (Reply 29):
Now that NZ and JQ operate 787s in our part of the world, I know the 787 curse for me will end

Enter the Scoot 787-9 from SYD-SIN as well   I am hoping to use that service to get to BKK / DMK next year and hopefully get to log a 789...
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:57 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 16):
After the 734 retirement I would recommend you exercise caution until the schedules are definitely set in stone much, much closer to the time. Especially as these (and the 734s) are operating domestic flights they could go at almost any point within a range of dates, as if demand is higher then they can stay an extra week or two, or if it is lower they can quietly bow out a week or two earlier. The 734s soldiered on for another week after what appeared to be the final flight in the original schedules.

I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the warning. I've never actually been on a QF 767, so I want to take the opportunity whilst I still can. Will also try and log another A330, as I always do.

Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 17):
I called a friend who works for QF this morning before he starts work for the day (being in a call centre he often has varying shifts) so hopefully he finds out something about it - will send you a PM if he finds something and messages me.

Cheers!

Quoting zkncj (Reply 19):
Still should be able to get on an NZ 763 untill 2016

And they have winglets, which is a big plus for me. 
Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 20):

With all these 763's being retired where on the domestic flights there will only be the 73H's then a huge capacity jump to the 332's, any chances that both QF and VA will look into the 739's?

I thought that Virgin ordered some a few years back, but it turns out that it was just the option to upgrade to the -900ERs. I too am somewhat surprised that -900ERs aren't used on the higher frequency routes, though I do appreciate the merits of having a rationalised, 737-8 majority narrowbody fleet.

Speaking of Virgin 737s, where do we think the first 737MAXs will be placed? Given the long average sectors of VA New Zealand and that their 737s are some of the oldest in the wider airline, could they be a candidate for some of the early deliveries?
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Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:08 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 31):
Quoting zkncj (Reply 19):
Still should be able to get on an NZ 763 untill 2016

And they have winglets, which is a big plus for me.

The NZ 767s with winglets look awesome - just awesome - something about that livery and the winglets makes me really want to fly on a NZ 767.

I was looking at award flights on the UA website from BKK-SYD and apart from the regular non-stop TG services, guess what came up??? - BKK-AKL on a TG 772 connecting to the mighty NZ 767-300ER from AKL-SYD!

That is the routing I will pick if it is still available when I am ready to book  
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Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:19 am

The final two Virgin NZL PacBlue livery B738s are about to enter the paint shop this week at CHC for VA livery.

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Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:59 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 23):

This may also help Brisbane's chances of getting MU.

http://www.bne.com.au/news/bne-and-s...ai-airports-sign-collaborative-mou

15 September 2014



Brisbane Airport (BNE) has become the first Australian airport to sign a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with Shanghai Airports Authority (SAA) in a partnership which will strengthen key relationships and boost aviation links between Australia and China.

The MOU, which was signed on Friday in a special ceremony in Shanghai attended by SAA President, Jing Yi Ming and Brisbane Airport Corporation (BAC) CEO and Managing Director, Julieanne Alroe, outlines the commitment of both parties to explore market demands, develop air route network, and provide quality services to customers.

Julieanne Alroe said the agreement was endorsed at the most senior levels and will provide a framework for the development of stronger airport relationships that will enhance services for passengers.

“The establishment of a friendly relationship with SAA is based on information sharing, personnel exchanges and working together on collaborative projects that will ultimately provide benefits to travellers in Shanghai and Brisbane.

“This will be achieved through sharing information in areas of airport planning and construction, safety of airport operation and management, information technology, customer services, air route development, as well as airport business development.

“Collaboration to strengthen the air connections between the two airports, aiming at increasing passenger volume and freight throughput, will also be a key focus.

“Importantly, we aim to establish Brisbane and Shanghai as the major gateways for services between China and Australia via this unique partnership,” Ms Alroe said.

Personnel exchanges will take place as part of the MOU with Senior Executives from SAA and BAC spending several months immersed in the respective airport’s operations to develop a better understanding of air policies, culture and business strategies.

“The staff exchange is one of the most exciting aspects of the agreement as it provides hands on exposure to each airport’s operations that will be incredibly valuable,” Ms Alroe said.Brisbane Lord Mayor, Graham Quirk, welcomed the announcement, commending Brisbane Airport for its pro-active approach to strengthening ties with China.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:57 am

Quoting vhebb (Reply 22):
Extra QF SYD-OOL-SYD over the holiday period:

Good news and hope this is an indication that OOL is doing well for them on the whole

Quoting 777ER (Reply 25):
JQ operates several A321 on their key domestic routes like OOL

JQ's A321s have got to be my favourite domestic aircraft, as row 25 has about 2meters worth of leg room. I seem to get them more often than A320's (which is interesting given they are only 10% of the domestic fleet). They appear all over the network, have flown them to OOL, BNE, CNS, HBA, SYD, MEL and I know they also appear at CNS and TSV as well.

I am assuming that they can use crew interchangeably between the A320 and A321. Is it only one extra cabin crew required? It would seem an ideal aircraft to replace QF 767's (or 739 obviously).
 
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Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:20 pm

This news comes as no surprise!

Philippine Airlines abandons B757 lease plans

Source - ch-aviation

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Philippine Airlines (PR, Manila) has abandoned its Australian expansion plans just days after majority shareholder, Lucio Tan, agreed to acquire San Miguel Corp's minority shareholding in the company.

Filipino press reports state the carrier has already cancelled plans to lease in five ex-Shanghai Airlines (FM, Shanghai Hongqiao) B757-200s from Boeing Capital Corporation. The twinjets were to have been used on planned flights to Perth Int'l and Brisbane Int'l.

The Philippine Airspace blog states Philippine Airlines plans to upgrade its existing Darwin and Brisbane Int'l services to an A321-200 (sl) from December with Melbourne Tullamarine to follow in due course.

So the reported reinstatement of flights to Perth will not go ahead but Brisbane services will remain as is with the exception of the upguage to A321 over the Christmas and New Year period.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:00 pm

There's discussion in another thread about BA's return to KUL. Their press release talks about this enabling new regional connections, which I assume means with MH. It's got me thinking, and this is entirely speculative, but imagine that BA's move was done with MH's blessing.

MH has an image and revenue problem. They struggle to compete with other airlines in the region. One thing they can offer is regional SE Asian connections Oneworld. Strategy: cut a loss making LHR flight and instead provide the premium connections that BA can't get out of BKK and SIN. Now for the Australian bit: Do the same with Qantas. Drop a SYD frequency (and possibly other cities) or two replacing it with a QF flight. Provide premium regional connections to QF (where it may currently try to use 3K). Now capacity to SE Asia is currently too high and yields too low, so I can't see QF being willing to do this unless they could pick enough premium passengers from MH
MH. But they also seem eager to deal with partners now and perhaps MH will be more prepared to do what they need to. Anyway, just speculation and I'm not sure it would make sense.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:55 pm

Quoting QF175 (Reply 36):
Philippine Airlines abandons B757 lease plans

This is the single most devastating aviation news development for me in years, besides the MAS tragedies...
I so wanted to fly a 757 again from an Australian airport...
But yes, I am not surprised.
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Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:45 pm

Quoting allrite (Reply 37):
Now for the Australian bit: Do the same with Qantas. Drop a SYD frequency (and possibly other cities) or two replacing it with a QF flight. Provide premium regional connections to QF (where it may currently try to use 3K). Now capacity to SE Asia is currently too high and yields too low, so I can't see QF being willing to do this unless they could pick enough premium passengers from MH
MH. But they also seem eager to deal with partners now and perhaps MH will be more prepared to do what they need to. Anyway, just speculation and I'm not sure it would make sense.

  

IMHO there is a great opportunity there for q QF/MH tieup, I just hope someone other than us has seen it!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:10 pm

NSW government refuses to lower airport train ticket prices

Bah, *real* travellers to the airport catch taxies direct from their offices or have their cars parked by the Qantas valet service. Those low paid airport workers are just leaners, not lifters!

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:34 pm

Tigerair have come to the party and are allowing devices from take off to landing, just not on the tarmac (when I flew last time I heard a Tiger crew member say that its Aerocare that fine people for it?????).

http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2014/09...ows-gadgets-but-has-tougher-rules/ It's also on their website home page.
 
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Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:04 am

Quoting allrite (Reply 40):
NSW government refuses to lower airport train ticket prices

Filthy grubs, the $12.60 access fee is an absolute joke! Interesting how the public buses are limited stops to protect cabs in return who charge a fortune & usually refuse to pickup passengers if it's a local trip.

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Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:06 am

Runway Girl is reporting that the new VA J seat for both A330s and 77Ws will be the Zodiac Cirrus as seen on CX. Exclusive: Virgin Australia opts for Cirrus seat on A330s and 777s

Certainly an improvement over the current product but I'm not sure it will "leapfrog" the new QF A330 J seat. I expect it will be better than the SkyBed though.
 
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Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:13 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 42):
Filthy grubs, the $12.60 access fee is an absolute joke! Interesting how the public buses are limited stops to protect cabs in return who charge a fortune & usually refuse to pickup passengers if it's a local trip.

Just over $32 per person for a return trip from the airport into Sydney CBD - I took a day trip to Sydney late last month flying there on QF8, and got asked $32 return for the train into the city, so I transferred to the domestic terminal and did some plane spotting instead. And that $32 charge was on a Sunday - pathetic! Considering it's a 10-12 minute ride one way to Central (so assuming 30 minutes return, it's hideously expensive). Compare that Sunday fare of $32 to another one of Sydney's weekend fares of just under $13 return from Sydney Central to Newcastle, and that is 2hours 45 minutes each way.

If you were travelling in a group of people of 3 or more to Sydney, it works out cheaper to get a taxi to where you want to go rather than getting the train - so much for the relevant governments wanting to take cars off the road and encourage people to use the public transport.
 
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Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:29 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 39):
IMHO there is a great opportunity there for q QF/MH tieup, I just hope someone other than us has seen it!

QF and MH got very close a couple of times to doing a deal but the problem is QF see's Singapore as a more premium market than Malaysia and MH considers EK its biggest competition at KUL. The QF/EK deal especially means that MH are more likely to get into bed with QR or EY than they are to QF/EK.

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 43):
Certainly an improvement over the current product but I'm not sure it will "leapfrog" the new QF A330 J seat. I expect it will be better than the SkyBed though.

Definitely better than the Skybed product but we'll have to wait and see if it is superior to what QF plans on doing on the A330's. If anything this now gives QF a chance to have a look at the Virgin product and further refine their own prior to rollout although it does bring some pressure to bear on QF to hurry up with the rollout.
 
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Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:59 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 45):
the problem is QF see's Singapore as a more premium market than Malaysia and MH considers EK its biggest competition at KUL. The QF/EK deal especially means that MH are more likely to get into bed with QR or EY than they are to QF/EK.

If QF and MH were to cooperate more fully I would see it mainly for the purposes, from Qantas' perspective, of a regional SE Asian network rather than further abroad, so direct competition with Emirates would only be on the KUL-MEL route. However, it could impact too adversely on 3K, which currently codeshares with QF, EK and other OneWorld members on SE Asian routes.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:41 am

Quoting allrite (Reply 40):

What a blatant rip off! Sure you need to make a profit to pay for it, but this NSW Government are ripping off the people who help ensure tourism to NSW. I'm not surprised there are low numbers using the trains compared to taxis and buses.
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Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:53 am

Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 44):
If you were travelling in a group of people of 3 or more to Sydney, it works out cheaper to get a taxi to where you want to go rather than getting the train - so much for the relevant governments wanting to take cars off the road and encourage people to use the public transport.
Quoting 777ER (Reply 47):
What a blatant rip off! Sure you need to make a profit to pay for it, but this NSW Government are ripping off the people who help ensure tourism to NSW. I'm not surprised there are low numbers using the trains compared to taxis and buses.

If you live in Sydney then the choice is an easy economic one to make:

1. If you are travelling on a Monday Morning or a Friday Afternoon you take the airport train. You do this because the roads around the airport are clogged and the taxi ends up being an expensive stop/start affair;
2. If you are commuting from the CBD/near the Eastern suburbs rail line or from North Sydney & direct surrounding suburbs by yourself, the airport train is cheaper than a taxi. On Friday afternoons and Monday mornings this is moreso;
3. If you are in a group of 2 or more travelling to or from the airport other than on Monday morning or Friday afternoon a taxi is generally cheaper to the CBD/East and surrounding suburbs. (Draw a radius to the South/West of the Airport and it's the same). Even on a Monday or Friday with 3 or more during peak it is generally cheaper to take a taxi.

That's the economics of the airport link. LOL
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 106

Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:18 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 48):
If you live in Sydney then the choice is an easy economic one to make:

Not so easy further out of Sydney. It's quite common to pay $60+ for a taxi to our house from the airport, even in less busy times. Combine that with the fact that the commuter section is often zero or minimal using existing train tickets for the weekly work commute plus the train is often (but not always) more reliable than the roads.

For me, I pass the airport every working day on the East Hills line. If using the airport stations cost less then I might go spotting more often!

Sometimes though it just comes down to convenience, especially on a Sunday morning when buses from the train station are infrequent and you've just got off a long overnight flight with lots of luggage.  
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