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EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:03 pm

easyJet have today announced a deal with Airbus to exercise their rights to convert 27 options for A320 CEO's into an order..

By 2018 it is anticipated the fleet will consist of 304 aircraft, and as of the 30th September this year will have 226 aircraft in the fleet.

easyjet also state as part of the new deliveries they will grow the fleet, but also retire a number of older A319's.

It seems the longer term aim is to operate an A320 exclusive fleet and are a fan of them, quoting they enjoy a 7-8% cost saving over the A319, and can only imagine that will improve further when when the NEO versions come on line.

http://mediacentre.easyjet.com/stories/8681

http://www.theguardian.com/business/...yjet-expands-fleet-dividend-payout

[Edited 2014-09-18 06:06:46]
 
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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:21 pm

Wasn't it widely stated on this forum that there are no more CEO slots available and airlines are having to change their orders to NEO. How have EZY got around this?
 
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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:33 pm

I have a vague memory that the runway at SEN can't take a fully loaded A320 (or 738), which was why all EZY flights from there are A319. Am I right, and if so, how long will EZY remain there if their ambition is an all-A320 fleet?
Are there any other airports with EZY flights that have to be A319?
 
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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:53 pm

Quoting andy33 (Reply 2):
I have a vague memory that the runway at SEN can't take a fully loaded A320 (or 738), which was why all EZY flights from there are A319. Am I right, and if so, how long will EZY remain there if their ambition is an all-A320 fleet?
Are there any other airports with EZY flights that have to be A319?

SEN-TFS operated on A320 but capped at 150 pax outbound from SEN
 
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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:58 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 1):
Wasn't it widely stated on this forum that there are no more CEO slots available and airlines are having to change their orders to NEO. How have EZY got around this?

Airbus had some A320 cancellations recently so they probably resold those slots to easyJet.
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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:50 pm

Quoting DunaA320 (Reply 3):

SEN-TFS operated on A320 but capped at 150 pax outbound from SEN

I'd also imagine that with EZY's A319's being quite a bit heavier than standard A319's, they'd not be able to operate the them out of SEN on a route like that with thrust/weight constraints.
 
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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:18 pm

Why are the EZ A319's heavier than the standard A319? Is it due to the extra number of seats?
Whatever
 
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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:33 pm

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 5):
I'd also imagine that with EZY's A319's being quite a bit heavier than standard A319's, they'd not be able to operate the them out of SEN on a route like that with thrust/weight constraints.

Yes the easyJet A320 fleet is actually more capable than the A319 fleet from the runway at Southend. An A320 is currently based there which in addition to the TFS flights does operate with a full passenger load to destinations such as FAO and AGP.
 
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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:29 pm

extra overwing exit may carry weight too
 
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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:40 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 8):
extra overwing exit may carry weight too

easyJet A319s have 4 overwing exits like the A320s, presumably to allow for additional seats.

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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:17 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 4):

Any idea who?
I only recall Ceos cancelled/deferred from Jetstar Airways and Tiger Airways.
 
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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:55 pm

Has Stelios threatened to sell his shares yet as a result of this decision ?     
 
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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:26 pm

Quoting bananaboy (Reply 9):

easyJet A319s have 4 overwing exits like the A320s, presumably to allow for additional seats.

Mark

IIRC they use the mid section of an A320 for the High Density version of the A319
 
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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:29 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 1):
Wasn't it widely stated on this forum that there are no more CEO slots available and airlines are having to change their orders to NEO. How have EZY got around this?

I suspect Airbus has the same problem with the transition from the Ceo to the Neo (A320) as Boeing has/will have with the move from the current 777 to the 777X (and indeed from the 737NG to the 737MAX). Basically, there is a time when the older aircraft will be winding down and these production slots will become more difficult to fill, as airlines either don't want to order them, or convert existing orders to Neos (and without losing their deposits). Airbus still needs to build and sell these aircraft and targeting airlines which currently have large A319 fleets is a good idea because although the A320ceo is not as efficient as the neo, it is more efficient than the 319.

Maybe we might see others do the same? Spirit, TAM, TAP?
 
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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:38 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 13):

I suspect Airbus has the same problem with the transition from the Ceo to the Neo (A320) as Boeing has/will have with the move from the current 777 to the 777X (and indeed from the 737NG to the 737MAX). Basically, there is a time when the older aircraft will be winding down and these production slots will become more difficult to fill, as airlines either don't want to order them, or convert existing orders to Neos (and without losing their deposits). Airbus still needs to build and sell these aircraft and targeting airlines which currently have large A319 fleets is a good idea because although the A320ceo is not as efficient as the neo, it is more efficient than the 319.

Airbus has previously stated that all A320CEO slots were filled and were looking at Airlines wanting to convert their CEO orders to NEO orders. That Easyjet has ordered more 320CEO's it Means one of two things, somebody has either cancelled orders or changed them into A320NEO's
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...y-to-handle-backlog-enders-402179/
It was discussed in this thread in July:
A320ceo Fully Overbooked, Conversions To Come (by KarelXWB Jul 30 2014 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:39 pm

As of almost 2 months ago Airbus had no problem of winding down from A320ceo to neo, probably the opposite 

Appropriate thread:

A320ceo Fully Overbooked, Conversions To Come (by KarelXWB Jul 30 2014 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:45 pm

Quoting larshjort (Reply 14):

1 minute apart   damn it lol!
 
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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:53 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 4):
Airbus had some A320 cancellations recently so they probably resold those slots to easyJet.

That must indeed be the case. And that makes this nice order a win-win situation for both parties.  
 
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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:36 pm

Quoting bananaboy (Reply 9):
easyJet A319s have 4 overwing exits like the A320s, presumably to allow for additional seats.

Presumably? Absolutely. The 2 overwing version was developed specifically for them. With the standard setup, the max seats is 149.

Quoting starrymarkb (Reply 12):
IIRC they use the mid section of an A320 for the High Density version of the A319

Well, they found a way to put in two overwings.
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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:42 pm

This is my take on it....

easyJet similar to Ryanair probably secured an amazing deal on their aircraft order a few years back, and this probably applied to the options too...

As the options had not yet expired, Airbus were probably not willing to convert the options to A320 NEOs for the same bargain price they had committed to for easyJet and the A320 CEO's.
 
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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:53 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
Quoting bananaboy (Reply 9):
easyJet A319s have 4 overwing exits like the A320s, presumably to allow for additional seats.

Presumably? Absolutely. The 2 overwing version was developed specifically for them. With the standard setup, the max seats is 149.

EasyJet isn't the only A319 operator with the extra overwing exits. The last 26 A319s delivered to Germanwings (those with V2500 engines) also have the extra exits. Their first 15 A319s (CFM56 engines) don't have the additional exits.

First and last of the 26 aircraft with the extra exits:


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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Sat Sep 20, 2014 12:16 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):

EasyJet isn't the only A319 operator with the extra overwing exits. The last 26 A319s delivered to Germanwings (those with V2500 engines) also have the extra exits. Their first 15 A319s (CFM56 engines) don't have the additional exits.

Yes, but it was specifically developed at EasyJet's request.
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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:26 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
Yes, but it was specifically developed at EasyJet's request.

Easy Jet didn't request the additional over wing exit, it was compulsory due to the number of seats they have on the aircraft by removing things like galleys and WCs.
 
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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Sat Sep 20, 2014 12:30 pm

The two overwing scenario at Easyjet was somewhat of a cock up back in 2003. Airbus/Easyjet were under the impression that by having two extra overwing exits they could fit 156 seats BUT with just 3 cabin crew members.
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RE: EasyJet Order 27 More A320's

Tue Sep 23, 2014 4:28 pm

Quoting Airbusa322 (Reply 10):
Any idea who?
I only recall Ceos cancelled/deferred from Jetstar Airways and Tiger Airways.

Well if you look in the Airbus order book, there have been 156 CEO cancellations / conversions. So that creates a bit room for new CEO orders.
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