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New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:48 pm

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New Zealand Aviation Thread 147 (by ZKOJH Aug 25 2014 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:23 pm

Inbound flight numbers for OKS and NZF are as follows:
OKS Flt6397 ETD PAE 2000-25 ETA AKL 0530-27
NZF Flt6398 ETD PAE 2100-26 ETA AKL 0740-28

MVE also due in 6th OCT. Routing TLS-HBE-AAN-NAG-PEN-KOE-BNE-CHC Flt SX1420 Approx 6 days for delivery flight.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:34 pm

OKS first service NZ2 on 11OCT so I believe.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:48 am

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 1):

ZK-NZF now leaving a day later than discussed here. Now due into AKL 0740 on Monday morning.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:30 am

Once the ZK-NZF is delivered, can we expect 787 services to east coast Australia?

Does anyone know when ZK-OXG is due?

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 1):
OKS Flt6397 ETD PAE 2000-25 ETA AKL 0530-27

Just passing between Hawaiʻi and Maui.  
Quoting Aotearoa (Reply 3):

Great to have the delivery of two new wide-bodies so close together. There was a big gap between the delivery of the last 77E and the first 77W.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:05 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 4):
Once the ZK-NZF is delivered, can we expect 787 services to east coast Australia?

At this stage it is planned to operate as NZ103/104 on the 3rd Oct AKL-SYD-AKL.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:58 am

"Air New Zealand Niue Operational Day Changes in NW14"

Air New Zealand from 26OCT14 is adjusting Auckland – Niue operations. New adjustment sees Saturdays departure from Auckland moving to Sundays, and Niue departure moves from Fridays to Saturdays. Airbus A320 aircraft operates this route.

NZ784 AKL0940 – 1310-1IUE 320 37
NZ785 IUE1415 – 1745+1AKL 320 26

Day 3/2 service operates until 18NOV14.

http://airlineroute.net/2014/09/26/nz-iue-w14/
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:40 am

NZ has made changes to its Airpoints scheme with adding Airpoints Mall to its ways of adding airpoints dollars, but not everyone is happy http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mone...irpoints-scheme-snubs-NZ-retailers
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Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:57 am

AKL now has its own pay to visit lounge after security in the International terminal http://www.aucklandairport.co.nz/en/...ional-terminal/Emperor-Lounge.aspx
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Sat Sep 27, 2014 6:20 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
AKL now has its own pay to visit lounge after security in the International terminal http://www.aucklandairport.co.nz/en/...ional-terminal/Emperor-Lounge.aspx

Sorry it isnt that new, I'ts the old EK Lounge an opened just before the RWC.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:55 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):

.....and use the promo code MONDO and get it for $40 for anyone interested. Code has been valid for months.

[Edited 2014-09-27 12:56:07]
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:32 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 7):
adding Airpoints Mall

Does anybody know if you can buy stuff at an overseas store (in-store, not mail order) you get Airpoints Dollars, as well, e.g. Macy's or GAP in New York? Or is this for online shopping of the non-NZ brands only? Can't really figure that out on the website...

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:39 am

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 11):
Does anybody know if you can buy stuff at an overseas store (in-store, not mail order) you get Airpoints Dollars, as well, e.g. Macy's or GAP in New York? Or is this for online shopping of the non-NZ brands only? Can't really figure that out on the website...

No. This is online only and you will need to log in from your Airpoints account and have your cookies enabled so they can track your order.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:45 am

Thanks for the info, xiaotung. I don't like that though  

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Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:29 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 9):

Interesting. Never noticed it before
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Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:37 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 14):
Interesting. Never noticed it before

It is on the ground floor - where you take the escalator up to the NZ, QF and new EK lounges...

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:44 am

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 15):

Guess I have to be more aware of my surroundings then next time!
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Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:56 pm

Any arrival pictures on OKS and NZF ?
 
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Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:29 pm

The airpoints mall seems like a reasonable attempt at providing a product that is appealing to customers. One might ask why New Zealand retailers think that Air NZ should promote them more than they already do?
NZ should promote whatever their clients want. Thats their duty to its shareholders.
And for anyone who has followed the sales figures in NZ for kiwi retailers their choices cant come as a shock. The online market is there because local retailers cant satisfy a need or sell at reasonable costs.

An example from my kids school, a posher Auckland suburb, Id say that 75% of the kids have most of their clothes bought from overseas retailers. And those overseas brands are what the kids talk about. They notice the brands, discuss them and then the kids want them. They don't go to the mall for clothes instead they feel a bit embarrassed if dressed in clothes bought from the mall. Some might think that such behaviour is bad or elite, but why, the clothes from overseas is cheaper, better looking and of the same or higher quality. So why would I discourage that. Its a win/win. Saves me money and the kids are happier. Why would be shop at a local retailer when it costs us more and its a year behind in regards to fashion?
I assume NZ knows about this and have included a few overseas retailers to keep parents like me with options. There are still 100 local brands where you can earn airpoints so whats the whining about.
After all its business not charity's. I support 2 charities and I try to support those retailers and restaurants that work to create more shared spaces in Auckland but thats it I wont dress my kids in clothes of lesser quality thats also a year behind when it comes to fashion.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:48 pm

In reply to ZKOJQ:
ZK-NZG was rolled out at Everett on 23 September and is currently scheduled to leave the USA on its delivery flight on 31 October.
 
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Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:02 am

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 18):
The airpoints mall seems like a reasonable attempt at providing a product that is appealing to customers. One might ask why New Zealand retailers think that Air NZ should promote them more than they already do?

Apparently NZ contacted many New Zealand retailers and only a few decided to join the mall. Purchasing overseas works out cheaper in many cases, so NZ is smart in taking advantage of this.
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Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:18 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 20):
Apparently NZ contacted many New Zealand retailers and only a few decided to join the mall. Purchasing overseas works out cheaper in many cases, so NZ is smart in taking advantage of this.

New Zealand is a small market where everyone seems to know everyone. I understand the reluctance of New Zealand retailers. Half of those are already with Flybuys. For others why pay NZ commission for a sale that they are going to get anyway? Maybe Flybuys is complaining as well. We don't know.

I also feel for New Zealand retailers as NZ on the one hand is using their national identity and interests to the fullest talking about how they are contributing to the New Zealand retail, tourism and economy, and the other is jeopardizing the domestic retail industry. Perhaps all they need is a little consistency.

I have no doubt the Airpoints Mall was created by a third party as it's nearly identical to VA's eStore. I don't think they have full control of it anyway.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:00 am

Amusing article in the Herald:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11332992

Doesn't make sense to me, but stranger things have happened, I guess?

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:19 am

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 22):
Amusing article in the Herald:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11332992

Doesn't make sense to me, but stranger things have happened, I guess?

Funny, I remember this happening a few years ago. After a bit of investigation, it was found that ducks, flying in formation, were to blame.

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/bird...esidents-pose-poo-question-4003927

The pictures are near identical in terms of the faecal splatter. The owner's 'flash house', in this recent case, is probably near a golf course, which no doubt has ponds for water fowl on it.   

[Edited 2014-09-28 21:49:15]
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:28 am

Well once a year or so we read about blue ice and airplanes whose valve has broken. usually those reports are true and someone pays a tiny amount and everyone goes back to being happy.

Someone i knew had this happened, the people explained that usually it happens when the plane is at lower altitude since then it gets pressured out through a safety vent. But for this to happen the first vent must be broken, the excrement frozen into what they refer to as blue ice and then when they get lower the stuff is pushed out. Apparently that usually happened when a plane was nearing the end of its journey but there had been cases when it had happened shortly after start as well.

I have no clue if this is true but it was explained that way to him and he got compensation because of it. He was happy with the compensation too.

To be honest shouldn't be hard to test what kind of stuff it was that came down. If its poo, i assume someone can figure out what plane and this poor couple can get their compensation. if their story is true it must be a really disgusting experience. Washing off someones stinky poo from your house and garden doesnt sound like fun to me...
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Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:24 am

NZ is now advertising on TV the new NZ/SQ codeshare with 3 daily flights to SIN from $659. VA have also got a new TV ad featuring an A330 and B738
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:33 pm

with -NZF delivered and said to be likely to commence TT flights later in the week and that the start of 789 AKL-PER service was ahead of schedule is it possible that AKL-NRT service could start early , perhaps by as much as six weeks? If -NZG delivers before the end of October is it possible that AKL-PVG could also start early ?Any opinions?
 
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Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:42 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 26):
with -NZF delivered and said to be likely to commence TT flights later in the week and that the start of 789 AKL-PER service was ahead of schedule is it possible that AKL-NRT service could start early , perhaps by as much as six weeks? If -NZG delivers before the end of October is it possible that AKL-PVG could also start early ?Any opinions?

Possible but I wouldn't rate it as likely. The schedule was only recently amended to a later date and that was with full knowledge of delivery dates and availability of the aircraft.
 
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Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:17 am

China Eastern launching AKL flights in December. Starting of on 4x weekly with A332s, with daily over the peak summer

China Eastern To Start AKL From Dec 2014 (by byronicle6 Sep 29 2014 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:17 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 28):

China Eastern launching AKL flights in December. Starting of on 4x weekly with A332s, with daily over the peak summer

I don't think NZ can form an alliance with MU this time. It's good to see an airline breaking into the NZ long haul monopoly.
 
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Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:58 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 29):
It's good to see an airline breaking into the NZ long haul monopoly.


Even if the other airline has possibly the worst cabin product offering into AKL - their A330-200s are dire onboard, I went onboard last year when they had the charters (far worse than the CZ A332 ever were). I guess longterm they will have te A350 but in the meantime...

For inbound Chinese tour parties they might get a few but for the more discerning passengers NZ still has a foothold. 2 out of 3 airlines offer a 787 product that is competitive, MU will have to settle for the budget tour groups and backpackers. Oneworld might be a factor, but most QF frequent flyers will fly to SYD and then on to China if it means getting a half decent product.
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Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:28 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 30):
Even if the other airline has possibly the worst cabin product offering into AKL - their A330-200s are dire onboard, I went onboard last year when they had the charters (far worse than the CZ A332 ever were). I guess longterm they will have te A350 but in the meantime...

For inbound Chinese tour parties they might get a few but for the more discerning passengers NZ still has a foothold. 2 out of 3 airlines offer a 787 product that is competitive, MU will have to settle for the budget tour groups and backpackers. Oneworld might be a factor, but most QF frequent flyers will fly to SYD and then on to China if it means getting a half decent product.

AKL is listed as 33E which has the new cabin with lie flat business seats and PTV on every seats. These planes seem to be doing ok on the PVG-SYD with QF and CA both on the route. MU is Skyteam not oneworld.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:57 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 31):
MU is Skyteam not oneworld.

so they are, For some reason I had in my head that they codeshared with QF.
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Quoting xiaotung (Reply 31):
AKL is listed as 33E which has the new cabin with lie flat business seats and PTV on every seats

They were the old style Y class projectors and business last year. If they have changed, then all the better. They needed to for an international market, However against the 787s I expect they will still have to undercut on price to draw people in. I expect MU to be considerably cheaper than NZ, and slightly cheaper than CZ.

It's still not an airline I would choose longhaul with any choice. To me it just wastes more gates that AKL,
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:18 am

Again!

Five airlines to face trans-Pacific pricefixing lawsuit

ANA - All Nippon Airways (NH, Tokyo Haneda) along with Philippine Airlines (PR, Manila), Air New Zealand (NZ, Auckland Int'l), China Airlines (CI, Taipei Taoyuan) and EVA Air (BR, Taipei Taoyuan) must face a class-action lawsuit from passengers accusing them of price-fixing on trans-Pacific flights.

In his ruling issued in San Francisco last week, US District Judge Charles Breyer denied a motion by the five airlines to dismiss the suit on the grounds that all the passengers' claims were pre-empted by federal regulation, which requires airlines to file certain international fares with the US Department of Transportation (DoT).

http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/ne...-trans-pacific-pricefixing-lawsuit
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:19 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 32):
They were the old style Y class projectors and business last year. If they have changed, then all the better. They needed to for an international market, However against the 787s I expect they will still have to undercut on price to draw people in. I expect MU to be considerably cheaper than NZ, and slightly cheaper than CZ.

It's still not an airline I would choose longhaul with any choice. To me it just wastes more gates that AKL,

Me neither unless it's their new 77W. Let's hope CA would soon connect AKL with PEK. The problem with NZ is the lack of connections at PVG since they lost FM as a Star member. PVG is MU's hub which has its advantage. Perhaps they need to look for a local partner.

MU do codeshare with QF. QF do seem to codeshare with most (if not all) Skyteam members flying into Australia.
 
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Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:29 am

"Air NZ defends regional fares, again" at the airlines AGM..

Air New Zealand has again defended what the airline charges on its regional routes, saying profits are falling on its provincial network.

Fares to regional destinations attracted criticism following the airline's announcement of a bumper result last month.

Speaking at the company's annual meeting today chief executive Christopher Luxon said profit on its regional network had fallen during the past five years.

'Our improved performance has come from turning around our international business which is now profitable. In fact, profit from our regional network has declined over the last 5 years and our average regional airfare is down 2 per cent over the last 5 years," said Luxon.

He acknowledged "conversation" in the last few months about our pricing in the regions where the airline had what he described as the best regional network in the world.

"We would be the only airline in the world that flies a fleet that ranges from 19 seat to 332 seat aircraft.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11334118
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:31 am

Just because NZ profits are good because of hard work, cost cutting and returning international to profits, it doesn't mean that they should subsidise regional fares.
NZ should not have to justify anything regarding regional fares. They should just stop flying on marginal routes and leave these small towns to lick their wounds - I would highly doubt anyone would replace NZ in these markets anyway with anything but a Piper Chieftain or smaller.

Nobody forces these people to buy the fares, or to live in the small towns - It's a choice. They should vote with their feet and forced NZ to drop fares to sell any seats but they don't. I'm sorry but do any of these people know what it costs to fly regional routes worldwide? NZ fares are well within the bell curve worldwide.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:49 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 32):
To me it just wastes more gates that AKL,

I guess it's a good thing they aren't arriving at midday though.. Arrivals are a bit on the quiet side by 6pm. But AKL ought to start extending Pier B and building the other side to it..
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:31 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 30):
Even if the other airline has possibly the worst cabin product offering into AKL - their A330-200s are dire onboard, I went onboard last year when they had the charters (far worse than the CZ A332 ever were). I guess longterm they will have te A350 but in the meantime...

For inbound Chinese tour parties they might get a few but for the more discerning passengers NZ still has a foothold. 2 out of 3 airlines offer a 787 product that is competitive, MU will have to settle for the budget tour groups and backpackers. Oneworld might be a factor, but most QF frequent flyers will fly to SYD and then on to China if it means getting a half decent product.

Hmm Id guess that they will do as well as NZ, probably better profitability than NZ. MU comes from one of the worlds largest cities. A region where there are more people earning over 100.000 dollars a year than there are people in Auckland. They have sales channels, they have brand recognition and they have the language skills. they have a string of 2 million plus inhabitants within a short fast train distance away.
Then we have NZ who discounts heavily, who says they have turned the corner on the decade old dismal performance sin China but at the same time start codesharing with CX to serve the Chinese market. Anyone think NZ can find enough O/D to Shanghai? or do they need to sell out their inventory at superlow prices to tourgroups or interlining?
Id say MU will be as profitable on the route as NZ, now that doesn't mean much but we shouldn't discount MU. MU don't rely on O/D. They can channel pax all over North Asia and even to Europe.

I also don't understand why so many thinks Chinese carriers are bad. They are ok, Normal run of the mill if you ask me. Thats internationally. Domestically no, then they are often awful, but internationally they are just fine. Modern planes, good catering, ok service, ok drinks.
Maybe its because I am not a kiwi but I prefer the food on CZ to NZ. I think both have more than good enough IFE, seats and drink menus. I prefer the way cabincrew on CZ treats me compared to NZ. So what is it people don't like about CZ and MU internationally?
To me the flying with CZ is just fine.
The airport experience at Guangzhou airport is however horrid. Having held service management workshops in a professional capacity id love to work with these people. I mean the progress one could make in one day with customer service in China must be enormous. They don't even know the basic things and its not rocket science.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:29 pm

"Singapore Airlines Expands Air New Zealand Codeshare Service from Jan 2015"

The following is updated list of planned NEW Singapore Airlines codeshare routes, operated by Air New Zealand, starting 06JAN15.

SQ code will be placed on additional 41 routes operated by Air New Zealand (in addition to Auckland – Singapore), within Domestic New Zealand, as well as South Pacific and Trans-Tasman route.

New Codeshare routes as follow:

Auckland – Blenheim
Auckland – Cairns
Auckland – Coolangatta (Gold Coast)
Auckland – Gisborne
Auckland – Hamilton
Auckland – Kaitaia
Auckland – Kerikeri
Auckland – Maroochydore
Auckland – Nadi
Auckland – Napier
Auckland – Nelson
Auckland – Paraparaumu

For the full list (41) refer to the link

http://airlineroute.net/2014/09/30/sqnz-codeshare-jan15update2/
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nascarnut
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:46 pm

With AKL continuing to add new airlines and service on a regular basis, who could be next:

NH KIX/AKL seasonal service with 787
CA PEK/AKL
AA LAX/AKL with 787
Cebu Pacific MNL-AKL
Air Asia X KUL-AKL
BR TPE=AKL look at a return, if CI can justify 10 to AKL and 3 to CHC

Could there be any other carriers that would look at using Australia as a stepping stone to NZ.

Also still waiting to see where NZ will go next. They continue to add capacity to North America.
This summer AKL will see 5 777-200/300 per night heading to LAX/SFO/YVR.
Will they let LA prove the 787 works to South America before the look at that market.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:27 am

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 40):
Also still waiting to see where NZ will go next. They continue to add capacity to North America.

Today Luxton is talking Latin America. I wonder if they are considering the west coast or the east coast. If or when the 77E gets certified for EDTO > 180 this could be the trigger to launch a service.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:40 am

R.E MU to AKL,

I think its good news to see another airline coming into AKL, we got 2 of the major 3 from China now.

What’s interesting is the fact (MU) can start with such a high frequency and within a month rank it up to daily service. It has taken NZ six years to get the China Market right first was Beijing - 北京 , followed by Shanghai - 上海 , then it was split between the 2 cities and 3 different aircraft use/d 763,772,787,

Once MU get a foot in the door here think we could see some problems, MU have a large hub at PVG and a vast network to almost everywhere in China, and with the help of being in "sky team" (the biggest alliance for China) they have many partners to help them for feeder traffic, new times are a lot better than NZ.

Now what does NZ have at PVG? Onward connections with Air China (CA) to only a handful of destinations in China. A brand that is not a renown as MU, in the Shanghai area, times are not really great. However NZ'S product is a lot better than MU,

Cost of flights with NZ are very high compared to CZ e.g., I have just booked my trip next year to fly to New Zealand and Australia PEK-AKL-BNE-PEK (CZ) all in for RMB 6,300 (only extra I have to pay is from ZQN - BNE) I really wanted to try NZ's 787 from PVG but when they give you a cost of over 14,000 RMB had to go for option b.

In the unlikely event that they were to cancel PVG the only other route in China that would make any sense is Chengdu (land of the Panda's) PEK has been tried before and look where that went, so not sure about it - NZ keep going on about China an important market to them.

As for CA starting a PEK-AKL service, I have been in contact with several departments of CA and some very high up, and nothing is planned in the near future, they have said the code share with NZ via PVG is working fine for them.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:53 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 42):
What’s interesting is the fact (MU) can start with such a high frequency and within a month rank it up to daily service. It has taken NZ six years to get the China Market right first was Beijing - 北京 , followed by Shanghai - 上海 , then it was split between the 2 cities and 3 different aircraft use/d 763,772,787,

The correct timeline is they started 3 weekly PVG first and increased it to 5 weekly and were aiming for daily with flights expected to extend to Europe. Then all of a sudden, 2 weekly PEK was announced and PVG was reduced back to 3 weekly. I wonder how much time and money was wasted for the PEK mucking around. PVG could have made daily a lot sooner.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 42):
Now what does NZ have at PVG? Onward connections with Air China (CA) to only a handful of destinations in China. A brand that is not a renown as MU, in the Shanghai area, times are not really great. However NZ'S product is a lot better than MU,

One airline with PVG as a hub to watch is Juneyao Airlines. I expect them to join *A in a few years. But NZ seems to think they have found the solution to China via CX when neither CX nor KA offers any frequent flyer benefits other than AKL-HKG.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:39 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 43):
But NZ seems to think they have found the solution to China via CX when neither CX nor KA offers any frequent flyer benefits other than AKL-HKG

I booked with NZ on AKL-HKG-PEK return in Nov through their website. For the HKG-PEK leg, the choices are CA, HX and KA. One cannot book on the CX HKG-PEK flights through the NZ website. Seems NZ has not found the solution to China via CX at all, but have stuck with CA, HX and KA like they used to.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:57 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 28):
China Eastern launching AKL flights in December. Starting of on 4x weekly with A332s, with daily over the peak summer

This is a seasonal service only finishing on the 28th March 2015.

http://www.nzx.com/companies/AIA/announcements/255892

AIA Auckland Airport welcomes China Eastern Airlines to NZ

2:46pm, 30 Sep 2014 | GENERAL

Media Release | 30 September 2014

Auckland Airport welcomes China Eastern Airlines to New Zealand

Auckland Airport and China Eastern Airlines are delighted to announce a new seasonal Shanghai to Auckland service, scheduled to commence in December 2014.
The new service from China Eastern Airlines will see a direct flight operating on the Shanghai to Auckland route during the peak New Zealand period of December 2014 to March 2015. The service will initially operate four flights per week which will increase to seven flights per week in January 2015.


http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-s...nt.aspx?id=20141001000048&cid=1202

China Eastern Airlines is to start a daily direct service between Auckland and Shanghai over the southern summer, the airline and Auckland Airport said Tuesday.

Starting on Dec. 9, the service will initially operate four flights per week, rising to seven flights a week from January to March 28 next year, subject to regulatory approval.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:10 pm

"Air New Zealand says Virgin Australia alliance providing 'areas of growth' on Tasman services"

Air New Zealand said (30-Sep-2014) while the lower Australian dollar has impacted revenue, it continues to see “areas of growth and opportunity” on the trans-Tasman market. Air New Zealand CEO Christopher Luxon said the alliance with Virgin Australia provides a “deep network schedule... well placed to service all segments of this important market,” adding that the arrival of new A320neo aircraft in 2017 would deliver “real benefits from the improved customer experience and operating economics.”

The airline said customers were also benefiting from seamless connections between regional New Zealand and regional Australia “and everywhere in between.”

http://centreforaviation.com/files/a...lysis/189590/42sk6wzp3t9h4d(1).pdf
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:58 am

Plane evacuated after white powder found

An Army bomb disposal unit has determined the white substance found in the back of an aircraft at Christchurch Airport poses no threat. All well that ends well.

Full story:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel...ated-after-white-powder-found.html

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:24 pm

Gate at AKL will be tight again this christmas. Both in the moning and the afternoon.
Saturdays look particularly tight (20DEC AS EXAMPLE)
1700 NZ104 FR SYD 787
1700 CZ305 FR CAN 787
1700 NZ56 FR NAN 772
1715 NZ124 FR MEL 773
1730 NZ136 FR BNE 773
1750 CI51 FR SYD/TPE 333
1815 MU779 FR PVG 332
1830 NZ295 FR APW 772
1840 CI53 FR BNE/TPE 744
Also 3 EK A380's on ground plus numerous QF 738's/JQ 320's/VA 738's and NZ 320's.
coULD BE A LOT A BUS OPERATIONS THIS YEAR
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 148

Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:22 am

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 48):
Gate at AKL will be tight again this christmas. Both in the moning and the afternoon.
Saturdays look particularly tight (20DEC AS EXAMPLE)
1700 NZ104 FR SYD 787
1700 CZ305 FR CAN 787
1700 NZ56 FR NAN 772
1715 NZ124 FR MEL 773
1730 NZ136 FR BNE 773
1750 CI51 FR SYD/TPE 333
1815 MU779 FR PVG 332
1830 NZ295 FR APW 772
1840 CI53 FR BNE/TPE 744
Also 3 EK A380's on ground plus numerous QF 738's/JQ 320's/VA 738's and NZ 320's.
coULD BE A LOT A BUS OPERATIONS THIS YEAR

Surely its the right time for AKL to build 18/19/20/21.... surely they can afford it, if not build some OOL style gates of the LCC flights

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