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AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:41 pm

Just when you think you've seen it all....

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/air-...icit-material-in-cockpit-1.2776551

Any other airlines reporting similar incidences?
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:48 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Thread starter):
Just when you think you've seen it all....

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/air-...icit-material-in-cockpit-1.2776551

Any other airlines reporting similar incidences?

Slow news day at the CBC.........happens pretty much everywhere, every job from what I've seen. It's only news because its AC.
 
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Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:48 pm

That's why they call it the COCKpit.
 
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:53 pm

What concerns me is when there's an unexpected emergency and pilots have to act fast....will they always be ready?
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:54 pm

Quoting whiteguy (Reply 1):
Slow news day at the CBC.........happens pretty much everywhere, every job from what I've seen. It's only news because its AC.

Not sure why you're trying to cover for AC here.

Example - looking at porn in the office is totally different than flying pilots. The office worker looking at porn is only jeopardizing his career while the distracted pilot is jeopardizing the lives of hundreds of passengers.
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:54 pm

Article says:

Quote:

The pilot provided Transport Canada inspectors with photos and video of the sexually explicit, and at times violent, images she says she found.

That must have made for an interesting day at Transport Canada...

Quote:

“The material in question consisted almost entirely of inappropriate business cards and was confined mainly to one aircraft type and route, our Embraer E-90s operating to Las Vegas,” writes Air Canada spokesperson Peter Fitzpatrick.

I thought what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas?

In any case, it's inappropriate. I'd hope for better behavior from pilots with command responsibilities. Yes, I know it goes on all the time, but it's still inappropriate.

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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:59 pm

If you can't wait until you're in your layover hotel room, that's just kind of sad.
 
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:08 pm

Quoting max999 (Reply 4):

Not sure why you're trying to cover for AC here.

Example - looking at porn in the office is totally different than flying pilots. The office worker looking at porn is only jeopardizing his career while the distracted pilot is jeopardizing the lives of hundreds of passengers.

How am I covering for AC? It's something that happened over a year ago and was dealt with internally. This is not news! No it shouldn't be in the flight deck and people should be aware of others they work with but this isn't "jeopardizing the lives of hundreds of passenger",
 
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:13 pm

Quoting whiteguy (Reply 1):
Slow news day at the CBC.........happens pretty much everywhere, every job from what I've seen. It's only news because its AC.

No. I have worked in more than a dozen different work environments, and I can assure you that this does not "happen everywhere"...
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Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:17 pm

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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:18 pm

Quoting matt (Reply 8):

Quoting whiteguy (Reply 1):
Slow news day at the CBC.........happens pretty much everywhere, every job from what I've seen. It's only news because its AC.

No. I have worked in more than a dozen different work environments, and I can assure you that this does not "happen everywhere"...


No you can't assure me anything, you may just not have seen it......

Again, this isn't news.....
 
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:22 pm

Quoting whiteguy (Reply 7):
No it shouldn't be in the flight deck and people should be aware of others they work with but this isn't "jeopardizing the lives of hundreds of passenger",

I disagree with you that porn is not a cockpit distraction which can comprise safety safety.
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:27 pm

Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 2):
Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 9):

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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:29 pm

Right after Wilbur landed the first Flyer and parked it up in the hangar, a mechanic glued a naughty picture to the structure somewhere.

Later on the naughty pictures could mainly be found just below the glare shield, ready to present themselves to you when you had to change a lightbulb.

Then some sad politically correct [email protected] landed her first job in aviation, probably in HR or as an effin' consultant, and things have gone down hill ever since.

In short, this is news on the scale of 'tomorrow the sun will rise in the east!'.
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:29 pm

While it doesn't happen as much lately, and I don't endorse it, this has been a common place practice for as long as I have been flying.
 
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:32 pm

Quoting max999 (Reply 11):
Quoting whiteguy (Reply 7):
No it shouldn't be in the flight deck and people should be aware of others they work with but this isn't "jeopardizing the lives of hundreds of passenger",

I disagree with you that porn is not a cockpit distraction which can comprise safety safety.

Would it be better if it wasn't porn but a movie instead? a TV show perhaps? How about just a newspaper?

I am not supporting watching porn on the flightdeck obviously, but to assume that as pilots we sit there and stare at the screens for 8 hours on end is unrealistic. We do stuff in the meantime, be it fill out the logbook, read manuals, magazines or newspapers, chat about cars, life etc etc. We do all that while keeping a scan of the instruments and to be honest in this day and age almost anything bad that can happen will sound an alarm to grab your attention. We simply stop what we are doing and handle the problem.

It is also a misconception that hundreds of passengers die if we do not react immediately to something. Very few issues require our immediate reaction whilst sitting in the cruise. In fact we are often taught not to rush into doing a checklist, but instead do it slowly and methodically. Get it right rather than get it fast. It is all done very calmly. Again, I am not advocating watching porn (or indeed any movie or show), but to suggest that hundreds or lives are being jeopardized by the act is very much what a tabloid newspaper would say for headlines.
 
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:10 pm

He was probably watching a Marc Dorcel video.
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:12 pm

Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 2):
That's why they call it the COCKpit.

Unless, of course, there are females present. Then it's the box office.
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:35 pm

Pilots watching porn?
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While I never got the point of watching porn at work (you just get horny and can't even get rid of it), I have worked on planes where explicit pictures were well hidden in the cockpit. I also used know one captain, who used to pack his flight bag full of porn, and this guy knew how to fly (not one of the FMC programmers and quote-company-procedures-by-heart pilots, but a guy whom I would trust to get the plane down in one piece if the brown matter really hit the fan).This guy also once tackled a would be hijacker (on the ground after he landed the plane) and held him in an armlock until the police arrived.

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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:44 pm

At least they were awake!
 
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:01 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 6):
If you can't wait until you're in your layover hotel room, that's just kind of sad.

Yeah, but beyond the fact that they are pilots and watching porn while cruising, it's not much different than all these people who do it or did it at their desk on terra firma.

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 3):
What concerns me is when there's an unexpected emergency and pilots have to act fast....will they always be ready?

Hopefully. At least they weren't asleep.
 
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:11 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 20):
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 6):
If you can't wait until you're in your layover hotel room, that's just kind of sad.

Yeah, but beyond the fact that they are pilots and watching porn while cruising, it's not much different than all these people who do it or did it at their desk on terra firma.

Guess the Mile High Club has lost its appeal and membership is declining.   
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:30 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 6):
If you can't wait until you're in your layover hotel room, that's just kind of sad.

Perhaps some of them need a jump start before they get to the hotel.........jet turbines are usually slow starters...  
 
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:39 pm

Reminds me of the time I caught an agent I worked with watching porn on his phone while waiting for an inbound.

Its one thing to watch it one the job, and another to get caught! 
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:40 pm

The thread title is completely misleading.

According to the reported story:

1. Inappropriate/sexual material was found stashed on the flight deck. It was NOT reported that it was being looked at during flight. Hence there is nothing to support the title "Being Viewed During Flight".

2. Air Canada stated that “the material in question consisted almost entirely of inappropriate business cards".

The thread title resembles a cheap tabloid headline.
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:47 pm

Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 2):
That's why they call it the COCKpit
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 17):
Unless, of course, there are females present. Then it's the box office

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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:06 pm

Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 2):

That's why they call it the COCKpit.


You realise that your name almost transforms to penisintrouble. Like those pilots 
 
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:17 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 5):
I thought what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas?

Only if you leave it in Vegas...  
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:20 pm

So, basically some pilots picked up some of those hooker cards they hand out in the street in Vegas and had them in the cockpit. Real safety issue there   
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:26 pm

Typical big deal over nothing, though itdoesn't happen much anymore at one time every panel in the F.D. that could be opened had a little picture stuck behind it.
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:09 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):


It might not seem like a big deal, but it could throw off a female pilot who sat in that cockpit, and could make for an awkward interaction in a multi-gender flight crew. Since there is no real reason for those cards to be on the flight deck, and there is a (slight) possibility of a disruption to flight crew integrity from these cards, and a further (even more slight) possibility of an individual considering the presence of those cards in their workplace as sexual harassment or discrimination, and above all else the fact that a true professional could never insist that hooker cards belong at work, mean that AC is right to address this issue with the intent to banish such things.
 
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:21 pm

Are we sure it was not just a picture of a 777 with 2 lovely Trent engines they were locking at? Outside of aviation this is not porn.
 
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:24 pm

This has happened at every airline I've ever worked at more frequently than I'd like to admit. It's one of the oldest pilot 'gags' going. We always have crews who hide some form of adult literature somewhere in the flight deck. It's not a big deal, we're all grown up and we all behave like kids at times. What total nonsense this whole thread and new story is!
 
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Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:28 pm

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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:42 pm

You guys get wound up awful tight over what is in effect, a non-issue. Pilots are authorized to read certain materials in cruise. Most companies limit this to company material, i.e. manuals, procedures, etc.but the end result is the same. The pilot will be heads down and have his mind not entirely on the airplane. The are very, very, very few issues that will pop-up that require an immediate and decisive action and in fact, many instructors teach you to take a moment, breathe, then think and act. Sure, most folks can act like professionals and not pepper the airplane with naughty bits but it happens, and likely at more airlines than not. It ultimately isn't as big a deal as some here seem to think. If anything, when a pilot finds a bit of flight deck "art" they chuckle, show it to the other guy then shrug their shoulders and put it back where it is forgotten about as quickly as it was noticed.
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:53 pm

Quoting futureualpilot (Reply 34):
show it to the other guy

Would a male pilot show such material to a female pilot? Has this forum completely forgotten that there are, in fact, women pilots?
 
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:59 pm

Quoting rampbro (Reply 35):
Would a male pilot show such material to a female pilot? Has this forum completely forgotten that there are, in fact, women pilots?

Have you ever met a female pilot? They have dirtier minds than the men!
 
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:09 pm

Quoting rampbro (Reply 35):

Depends on the pilot, but the women I've flown with have generally laughed, rolled their eyes and put it away when anything was found. The times that I've found anything they've asked if there was "anything good over there." Here's a shocking revelation....sometimes it's women that are the culprits. Ask me how I know. Either way, after we put it away we then conduct our business as usual, and forget about it.

I used guys as a colloquial term, not not in the sense at I am assuming there are only males flying around, so feel free to climb on down from the sexism/sexist high horse.

[Edited 2014-09-25 15:14:05]
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:01 pm

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 36):

Have you ever met a female pilot? They have dirtier minds than the men!

Men and women don't have homogenous "minds". Whatever material may offend some and is not required shouldn't be on the flight deck, period. Yes there are pervy women and prudish men, but that doesn't change the fact that in the workplace, the level of conduct needs to be at the level where everybody is free to go about their job without worrying about whether someone will put them in an awkward position.

Quoting futureualpilot (Reply 37):
sexism/sexist high horse.

Right, lets pretend aviation has never been affected by sexism, and also that accidents have never occurred when one member of a flight crew is scared/intimidated by the other that .

Is it really beyond the pale to imagine that someone was exposed to these types of things in a cockpit and was offended by them? Maybe someone took offense in the sense of feeling sexually harassed, maybe someone took offense in a religious sense. Someone might even have made the basic argument that I'm making, which is that there shouldn't be images of people naked in a workspace where many different people work.

Why should someone get to have a minor kick at the expense of someone else who might feel like it was inappropriate?
 
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:03 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):

So, basically some pilots picked up some of those hooker cards they hand out in the street in Vegas and had them in the cockpit. Real safety issue there   

They could get a paper cut and get a very bad infection!
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Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:05 pm

Quoting rampbro (Reply 38):
Men and women don't have homogenous "minds". Whatever material may offend some and is not required shouldn't be on the flight deck, period. Yes there are pervy women and prudish men, but that doesn't change the fact that in the workplace, the level of conduct needs to be at the level where everybody is free to go about their job without worrying about whether someone will put them in an awkward position.

If this is going to make it that you cannot function as an effective crew member, there are much bigger issues.
 
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:06 pm

Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 2):
That's why they call it the COCKpit.

Good one.

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 3):
What concerns me is when there's an unexpected emergency and pilots have to act fast....will they always be ready?

How will that affect their emergency skills? Too horny to react?

Quoting lhrnue (Reply 31):
Are we sure it was not just a picture of a 777 with 2 lovely Trent engines they were locking at? Outside of aviation this is not porn.

Im sure it was.
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:12 pm

Quoting matt (Reply 8):
No. I have worked in more than a dozen different work environments, and I can assure you that this does not "happen everywhere"...

Maybe not "everywhere" but certainly lots of places. Apparently 3% of people surveyed in this article said they have...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...at-work-video-survey_n_896244.html

And then there is this:

SEC Porn Problem: Officials Surfing Sites During Financial Crisis, Report Finds
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/sec-pornog...rfing-porn-sites/story?id=10452544
 
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:28 pm

The CBC should have picked a more relevant photo for their item in the link in the original post. The 15 E175s were transferred from AC mainline to Sky Regional Airlines last year.
 
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:19 am

Quoting rampbro (Reply 38):

First of all, where did I say anything even remotely approaching the idea that there was no sexism in aviation? I made a comment about it because your post came off as self righteous. Second, accidents caused by intimidation are far, far more a result of deeply rooted cultural and/or poor CRM issues. I cant speak for the easily offended as they drive me nuts but I also will not blatantly show something potentially explicit to another pilot except in the few circumstances where they've asked and I knew with whom I was working. I would expect someone who is offended by something I say or do to address me in person on a professional level so we can discuss what it was and how to avoid it down the road just as I would do with them. CRM is a two way street, if something isn't right or makes a crew member uncomfortable it is their duty to address it before it becomes a safety issue. If the other guy finds something offensive to his/her tastes in the airplane and it causes an issue between us during flight, or causes them to be unable to focus on their duties despite my best efforts there likely is a higher functioning issue at work there that goes beyond the scope of my CRM skills and knowledge.

Personally I don't apply porn to airplane flight decks, nor do I make it a point to search it out. If I come across any while conducting my normal duties, oh well. If not, well, no big deal. I'm going to conduct my job as the company directs me to do, take care of my customers and do my level best to get along with the other guy. If we set the brake at the end of a trip and aren't dead or violated, then I can't be too upset.

(Don't freak out, I'm not referring to only males here by saying guys again.)

[Edited 2014-09-25 17:27:04]
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:55 am

Oh come on. From my experience, if I show some new cost reduction initiative to fellow engineering colleagues, they are generally far more offended by it than by the next best tabloid cover! Both genders alike! 
 
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:40 am

AS dealt with a similar complaint a good ten years ago. Pornography left around the flight deck and crews were told to stop. Or course they didn't. Case was settled out of court if I recall and female pilot/complainant got a large settlement. You'd think that good-old-boy culture would have changed everywhere but apparently not.
 
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:12 am

As long as the pilots get me to my destination *safely* I don't really care what happens up front...
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:15 am

Quoting whiteguy (Reply 1):
Slow news day at the CBC.........happens pretty much everywhere, every job from what I've seen. It's only news because its AC.

No, it's news because it's a well known company that many thousands of Canadians deal with every day. I'm certain the same attention would have been paid to an AC competitor and no doubt the aircrews at WS have been reminded this morning that similar behaviour is not tolerated at their company either.

Quoting whiteguy (Reply 7):
It's something that happened over a year ago and was dealt with internally. This is not news!

Except that it wasn't dealt with internally. The company repeatedly told its staff to cease, and the staff did not. When Transport Canada becomes involved, you can hardly call it an internal company matter.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 43):
The CBC should have picked a more relevant photo for their item in the link in the original post. The 15 E175s were transferred from AC mainline to Sky Regional Airlines last year.

Hey, that the CBC correctly included an Embraer at all is cause for celebration. Let's just be thankful that a green-tailed Airbus wasn't shown and count our small victories.
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RE: AC Pilots Reportedly Viewing Porn During Flight

Fri Sep 26, 2014 7:50 am

I dare anybody to go on a freighter aircraft and not find any porn stacked away in a cupboard or cubbyhole somewhere.

It makes for interesting 'porn hunts' before landing in places like Saudi Arabia and the like...
I'll do my own airline. With Blackjack. And hookers. In fact, forget the airline.

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Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos