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Turkish Aviation October 2014

Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:04 pm

Hello Turkish Aviation Fans,
I am posting this from a very beautiful fall evening in Istanbul. I am sorry to cut the conversation short from the last months thread, about inefficient TK internet payment options, or the latest SKYFE. Please continue here.
By now, things should be calming down in Turkish aviation, not many frames arriving, planes being wet leased to other countries, numbers being announced for the busy summer season.


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Here is my favorite Istanbul airport. Looks like there are 4 planes lined up for take off.
I love it, because using the TK Gold status entrance/security is a breeze. I wish the Lounge had a window to the tarmac.
Let's see what the coming years will bring to SAW with the new airport being built. Pegasus still has an order of few 738s coming next year, but 2016 is the year when they will start getting the 320s. ( a lot of them)
I wonder if TK will still have a presence at SAW after the huge airport opens up on the other side of town. Or Pegasus will seek gates at the new Istanbul airport. Whatever the case, it is a win win situation for the regular folks like us.
I am hoping for a JFK-SAW non stop in my lifetime.
I should conclude with more Pegasus news; they will start both Hurghada and Sharm el Sheik.

Welcome and please continue with your news, photos, rumors, and good old sense of humor.

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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:33 pm

Thanks for another thread TK787.

With regards to the payment issue is it to stop fraud? The same exists here too in Ireland. To change a ticket you must go out to the airport.

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
I wish the Lounge had a window to the tarmac.

I can't say I ever noticed. Too distracted by the food options and the Cherry Juice  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:38 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
With regards to the payment issue is it to stop fraud?

Thanks, that's what I thought.
But, the first time I was able to change it over the phone by giving out my credit card number. The second time I tried to change the ticket, I was told to go to a sales office.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:12 pm

Hello everyone. Welcome to fall. Hope you all had a great summer.

I had previously mentioned that TK had applied to add service to Manila Philippines. This matter is finally now pending a formal hearing on October 16th. If approved by the civil aeronautics board, it goes to president for signature. TK hopes to launch service service Summer 2015 if timely approval is received.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:29 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 2):
But, the first time I was able to change it over the phone by giving out my credit card number. The second time I tried to change the ticket, I was told to go to a sales office.

There is a procedure which I cannot disclose, but trust me there is a reason about these checks, as OA260 said it is a measure to minimize frauds.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:16 pm

I have been on a bunch of TK flights lately both long and short haul in almost all of the types of aircraft on their fleet. I realized that the safety demonstrations are no longer shown on the video, but done manually by the crew. Do you guys know why?

I remember reading somewhere that Mauritius flights would start in 2014, do we know when?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:33 pm

Any idea when the so called new ATL service will begin? It was announced last year ATL would be a tag on to the new IAD service.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:09 pm

First 2 of 4 Corendon 737-800s wet-leases have arrived in Pakistan for the winter season. The final 2 will arrive in December and operate for PIA.

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 6):

Any idea when the so called new ATL service will begin? It was announced last year ATL would be a tag on to the new IAD service.

For the record the route was never "announced". Its only a wish list destination as with 30 odd additional cities TK is looking at.
But if launched a US service would be a spring/summer start up, but nothing has been approved by the BoD yet.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:03 pm

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 5):

I have been on a bunch of TK flights lately both long and short haul in almost all of the types of aircraft on their fleet. I realized that the safety demonstrations are no longer shown on the video, but done manually by the crew. Do you guys know why?

Yesterday I flew BCN-IST-NBO. On the BCN-IST operated by an A320 it was displayed on the overhead screens. On the IST-NBO, operated by a B738 it was done by the crew.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:25 pm

Hi everyone, after years of following the monthly Turkish Aviation threads almost daily, it's nice to finally join and post. I'll try to input where possible. Ben
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:35 pm

Quoting TKA380 (Reply 9):

Hi everyone, after years of following the monthly Turkish Aviation threads almost daily, it's nice to finally join and post. I'll try to input where possible. Ben

Welcome! Many of us started that way ... and find this thread a great place to share and learn.

Contribute and make it more interesting ... your ID looks like it will generate some fun!  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:31 am

Got Load numbers for first two months of IST-BOS for DOT tables

May - 88.9% Load
June - 88.3% Load
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:01 pm

Don't know if already mentioned but I have just read that TK have confirmed their shirt sponsorship with Chelsea.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sun Oct 05, 2014 12:38 am

Yes last month along with a few other teams.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:06 pm

Quoting TKA380 (Reply 12):
TK have confirmed their shirt sponsorship with Chelsea.

Has anyone heard about the rumors about the cost of this?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:32 pm

I've heard its a USD $16mil minimum with extra bonuses depending if they qualify for finals in the UK league and qualify major competitions like champions league. Total value would be double depending on their performance.
To put things in perspective Qatar paid Barca €36mil to replace TK.

Related, the recent renewal of Euroleague basketball by TK was confirmed with value of €37.5 million.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:33 pm

I see Swiss will try Izmir again - 3 x weekly seasonal starting July 02, 2015.
Not sure what the point is to only operate for 3 months.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:35 pm

TK is investing heavily on marketing and i think it's paying off. On the other hand, the regional unstable political environment is catching up to to Turkey and it's a matter of months if not days things will show its impact on air travel. Latest events in Turkey reminds me of 1999 when Ocalan was captured and thousands of protestors took to the streets in Europe vandalizing TK and other related offices.

When these happened in 1999 I remember few things :
- TK decided to serve two markets with one aircraft. So , instead of going IST-MUC-IST and IST-FRA-IST with two aircraft, they sent one to fly IST-FRA-MUC-IST
- LH found Turkish market too risky and SXS started to sub LH flights. I was on a SXS 733 flying from FRA to IST one day.
- Istanbul Airlines went out of business (even though part of the problem was over extension of their business to hotels, etc. )
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:59 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
see Swiss will try Izmir again - 3 x weekly seasonal starting July 02, 2015.
Not sure what the point is to only operate for 3 months

Don't they do the same during summer to IST at very odd hours? I'm sure it's only catching vfr traffic to/from Aegean coast were many expats have their summer residences.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:29 am

DHMI released the new airport data. Istanbul airports 12-months data calculated as:

IST: 55.342.909
SAW: 22.748.585
Total: 78.091.494
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:53 pm

THY opened its new SAW lounge.

Looks to be a replica of the award winning IST one.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzgJvCpCUAIqrw-.png:large
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Thu Oct 09, 2014 3:41 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 20):
THY opened its new SAW lounge.
Looks to be a replica of the award winning IST one.

Right now I'm at SAW and just entered the general CIP Lounge at the main terminal and waiting for TK2976 to ESB.. And then you see this...Damn... Perhaps I should just leave and walk all the way to old terminal for this new experience at this new TK CIP...

  
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:37 am

TK add Porto and Taipeh to their wish list. Read that in KAP report.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:31 am

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 22):
TK add Porto and Taipeh to their wish list. Read that in KAP report.

Interesting destinations. Do we have an actualized wish list?
I am curious how longer IST can support this growth...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:40 pm

Another Turkish Airlines IROP story , this time in LAX.

The Istanbul flight that was supposed to depart at 18:20 on Oct 9th has delayed for 30 hours. According to kokpit.aero article, they needed a part that was ferried from Turkey (why?) and then the CA refused to fly.

Here's the full article in Turkish:

http://kokpit.aero/30-saatlik-rotar
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:16 pm

Quoting bahadir (Reply 24):
they needed a part that was ferried from Turkey (why?)

Maybe it was a Turkish chewing gum for fixing the wing...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:06 pm

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 23):

I'm waiting for the 3-months report of TK, but this are the destinations announced to the stakeholders (KAP);

Abuja
Luanda
Asmara
Aswan
Luxor
Bamako
Bogota
Ahvaz
Nantes
Kassel
Conakry
Baden-Baden
Abha
Krakov
Juba
Lenkeran
Havana
Mexico City
San Francisco
Caracas
Kharkiv
Batna
Tlemcen
Hakkari

It could be that some of them started. List by June 30.
Manila, La Coruna and Atlanta are on their wish list but not announced to the stakeholder.
Add now Porto and Taipeh, that makes totally 29 destinations.

[Edited 2014-10-11 10:10:56]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sun Oct 12, 2014 4:26 pm

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 26):

Thanks for the list! Some very interesting destinations in there. Still they also have to add some more "mainstream" destinations, especially in the US. BTW, HKG still is 6w. Strange... Is it a different agreement?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:35 pm

Hong Kong air service agreement is indeed limited in frequencies. TK must share its limited allotment between pax and cargo flights. Up until 2012 it was even more limited.

Regarding Taipei, Turkish government last few years has been working grow trade and economic relations without eliciting response from China. Last year visa restrictions were abolished for travelers on both sides, and in late 2012 TK opened a office in Taipei with eye direct flights with new Star partner EVA.

For a hint of what TK might be considering - the area manager for Taiwan also manages Philippines - and TK has a hearing this week in Manila about its traffic right request.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:39 pm

IST-TPE-MNL be nice route. I bet BR would be happy to work with TK to broaden its limited access to Europe.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:40 am

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 29):

I agree. Should do very well. Taipei - Europe seems a bit underserved at the moment.

I would also love to see TK expand into Indochina destinations such as HAN/PNH/HKT
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:31 am

is Taipei doable by 332 or 333?
according to internet it os around 8,600 KM and within the range of bothnof 332/333, if so it would be great to have Ist-Taipei-MNL route,
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:13 am

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 31):

IST-TPE should have no problems with the A330-300, as TK operates another route, TK7/8 to IAD, which is only 8 miles longer than IST-TPE
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:27 am

TK 17 to YYZ has been delayed for the past three days by four hours and more. Any reason for these delays?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/THY17
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:18 am

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 33):
TK 17 to YYZ has been delayed for the past three days by four hours and more. Any reason for these delays?

TC-JJL was stuck in LAX due to technical issues for almost 3 days, resulting in the delays
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:40 am

TK revised its expectation for 2014 year end total passenger number as 55.6M, a 15% increase compared to 2013.

http://investor.turkishairlines.com/...-10-2014-ozel-durum-aciklamasi-909

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 31):

As a beginning IST-TPE-MNL tag makes sense but I'm sure both cities deserve a daily direct connection. Considering that especially IST-TPE will be a strong cargo route, I would not be surprised if TK 77Ws are deployed to both IST-TPE and IST-MNL flights.

But lets first see what Philippines Airport Authority says about allowance of TK.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:59 am

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 34):
TC-JJL was stuck in LAX due to technical issues for almost 3 days,

A friend arrived back from his honeymoon being stuck at LAX for 30 hours. They were given some hotel rooms, (not quiet up to his liking) he checked out and got himself another hotel room.
Maybe LAXintl would know what kind of accommodation choices TK pax are given for these occasions?
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:47 am

Turkish expands Bordeaux with 5th weekly service, operating on Fridays.

TK1389 IST1045 – 1330BOD 737 x27
TK1390 BOD1420 – 1850IST 737 x27
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:03 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 28):

Regarding Taipei, Turkish government last few years has been working grow trade and economic relations without eliciting response from China. Last year visa restrictions were abolished for travelers on both sides, and in late 2012 TK opened a office in Taipei with eye direct flights with new Star partner EVA.

For a hint of what TK might be considering - the area manager for Taiwan also manages Philippines - and TK has a hearing this week in Manila about its traffic right request.

Would Turkish need to have a different entity to serve China and Taiwan at the same time, like KLM Asia?
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:46 pm

Quoting atal17 (Reply 30):
I would also love to see TK expand into Indochina destinations such as HAN/PNH/HKT

HAN is being looked at.

Quoting TK105 (Reply 35):
As a beginning IST-TPE-MNL tag makes sense but I'm sure both cities deserve a daily direct connection. Considering that especially IST-TPE will be a strong cargo route, I would not be surprised if TK 77Ws are deployed to both IST-TPE and IST-MNL flights

Lower risk could be to operate them jointly to start. Look at Jakarta - 1-stop via SIN. SGN via BKK etc.
Sure eventually every market might have a nonstop, but could be more prudent to operate either city as a tag to begin with.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 36):
Maybe LAXintl would know what kind of accommodation choices TK pax are given for these occasions?

Sorry to hear about your friend. Hope the rest of the honeymoon was fabulous.

As far as accommodation when things go wrong airlines send passengers off to the couple dozen airport hotels.

Obviously getting 300 rooms in a single place at short notice is impossible so pax can be split up among many hotels with 20 here, 30 there, etc.. I suppose most local pax would opt to go home also.

Quoting bahadir (Reply 38):
Would Turkish need to have a different entity to serve China and Taiwan at the same time, like KLM Asia?

The politics has changed. Virtually everyone serves Taiwan now with unified brand. Recent times EK launched TPE while it has long served China as well.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:53 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 39):

What about getting passengers onto open seats in BOS/IAH/JFK/ORD?
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:56 pm

Most often when longhauls have issues, they simply retime them for 24-hours later with the same pax.
Its really not very practical to send passengers to other gateways assuming there was even space as it involves other airlines and pax would arrive 24-hours late anyways into IST.

OALs do this often as well. Look at UA when they break in Asia or Australia. Flights retimed to next day and pax sent to hotels.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:52 pm

Turkish Airlines launching SFO flights 13th April 2015 with 5 frequency. After 10th of May 2015, the flights will be daily. More to read: http://kokpit.aero/thy-san-francisco-seferleri-2015
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:01 pm

Yes SFO announced several months ago

TK To Start SFO April 2015 (by TK787 Jul 23 2014 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:20 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 39):
Lower risk could be to operate them jointly to start. Look at Jakarta - 1-stop via SIN. SGN via BKK etc.
Sure eventually every market might have a nonstop, but could be more prudent to operate either city as a tag to begin with.

We both say the same thing: At the beginning, a tag is fine and later when route matures, a direct flight can be considered.

Actually, TK's Far East flights have poor utilisation with the current planning: All those A333s and 77Ws sit on tarmac between 6 to 10 hours. These waiting times can be used as a tag to new out-stations. To increase the utilisation, even triangular routes can be used.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:56 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 28):
Hong Kong air service agreement is indeed limited in frequencies. TK must share its limited allotment between pax and cargo flights. Up until 2012 it was even more limited.

I see. Interesting that the cargo flight(s) are more beneficial than flying there daily.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 39):
HAN is being looked at.

SGN was going direct? They just could switch BKK-SGN to BKK-HAN.

Quoting TK105 (Reply 44):
Actually, TK's Far East flights have poor utilisation with the current planning: All those A333s and 77Ws sit on tarmac between 6 to 10 hours. These waiting times can be used as a tag to new out-stations. To increase the utilisation, even triangular routes can be used.

Schedule works quite well for the double daily NRT flights where the planes barely have ground time. Most probably that is a very particular combination resulting from flight times and time zone difference.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Mon Oct 13, 2014 11:28 pm

Was onboared of TK1528 this evening. Made my booking specifically on this date since TC JNF was scheduled and I wanted to test the new interior and new cabin.However, aircraft was switched from TC-JNF to JNG at last minute. No IFE on the plane, cabin in good shape though. Seats must have recently been cleaned. However, no IFE on flights longer than those 3 hours must be really bad. We parked at a remote stand in IST next to guess who? TC-JNF!!! I was able to look inside the plane since the doors were still open. Her cabin seats were exactly the same as on their A333s. So that means that tney changed the whole cabin for the Lumexis IFE installation a couple of months ago. Looks really nice!

Flight was late about 35 mins on arrival. Captain did not make any annoucements up onto arrival and just before landing he gave a very short weather forecast of maybe 30 secs, in good english though. A short explanation for the late take off would have been more than appropriate. Aircraft had LF of barely 50%, but lots of cargo was loaded.

All in all, quite good experience. Attendants were nice and food was tasty.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:40 am

I have UAL Mileage Plus miles and want to purchase an economy class ticket on TK and upgrade with miles. Does anyone know the booking code for this? I called UAL and they are pretty incompetent. TK reservations say that I have to make the reservation through UAL which makes sense.

Thanks..
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:41 am

Baha,
Check this out
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/cont...leageplus/awards/upgrade/saua.aspx

From what I can tell only Y & B fares ( the most expensive ones) can be used for upgrade award without a co-pay.
If you are willing to have a copay then lower economy classes might be able to be used, but the co-pay ranges between $300-$550 depending on fare basis.

There are a few comments over at Flyertalk also. Sounds like the ones that deal with it and know something are the "alliance desk" at UA reservations per posters.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:57 am

I love our news agencies, Hurriyet's Breaking News article says that one of TK's A320 aircraft in Erzincan veered of during take-off and crashed its wing to the hangar building with a lof of panicked passengers and Airporthaber says A320's wing got in contact with a hangar in Erzincan today while maneuvering on the ground. I am guessing Airporthaber's news is more accurate description of the unfortunate event happened today.

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/27383356.asp

http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...erleri/thy-ucagi-kanat-carpti.html

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