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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:44 am

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 95):
Helps if you have your facts right. TK announced it was dropping MIA PRE-9/11

Matter of fact the schedule closure was announced August 2001.

Matter of fact Turkey, Miami and Turkish Airlines in 2014 have little to do with the ones in 2001.

Back in '99, a DOH-MIA with QR would have seemed crazy. Etihad didn't even exist at that time.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:50 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 76):
I wonder if TK will go for this 321NEOLR for Africa/Asia routes.

My first reaction when I heard about the 321LR was that it would be ideal for IST-India long thin routes. Of course African routes might fall in that bucket as well. I do hope that TK invests in this new plane - aligning well with the growth of their IST hub.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:03 am

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 86):

quick question for all SAW experts:
I want to arrive from FRA with TK and continue onto a domestic flight with PC. Two seperate tickets and only 1:05 hrs transit time. Do you think this is possible?

Too tight in my opinion especially if you are checking bags. All it takes is a 15 minutes delay and PC will force you to buy a very expensive ticket...

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 96):
MIA route cut was not result of 9/11.

Decision to terminate the terribly loss making adventure was made well before the tragic events. IIRC about May/June prior to the IATA schedule conference.

Correct. MIA closure was announced before 9/11. I was an F/A for TK back then and I knew that the loads were terrible. As little as 10-15 pax on some flights from what I heard....
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:04 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 99):
$9.99/hour or $14.99/24 hours.
I didn't purchase it, too tired. but I kept getting emails and sent a few without purchasing any minutes

Thank you... Sounds like a fair deal.. I might give it a go....
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:08 am

Quick question to LAXIntl and others who may know...

I am arriving at LAX on TK at around 16:45 and connecting to a WN flight to PHX at 19:15 (separate tickets). Do you think this is doable? Should I catch the bus from TBIT to T1 or just walk?

Thanks...
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:06 pm

I just traveled on TK 1907 to ZRH for the second time in a month to catch my non-rev flights on DL to get back to USA.
This time around the ground handling was much worse than the prior flight:
- Delay wasn't announced. The next door flight to Bilbao was delayed even longer and there were no announcements at all.
- The TGS staff working at the gate didn't speak a lick of English except when they literally yelled "sit down" to a passenger when she was inquiring about the Bilbao flight.
- Boarding was done in a stampede style despite the boarding groups.


The entire experience in ZRH was day and night by the gate agents compared to the bus terminal experience in IST.

TK doesn't deserve four stars and they are not the best European Airline.
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JU068
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:18 pm

Seems like Qatar will be launching direct flights to Belgrade, don't know if the schedule to Ankara will see some changes now.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:27 pm

Quoting JU068 (Reply 106):

Source please?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:32 pm

Quoting JU068 (Reply 106):

Is the BEG flight linked to ESB?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:42 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 108):

Yes, QR flies to BEG as a tag to DOH-ESB flight. But there is no traffic allowed between BEG-ESB. I used that flight couple of times and according to my experience, 1/3 to 1/2 of the traffic is coming from BEG. So decoupling the tag makes sense as it is not easy sometimes to find ticket.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:20 pm

Quoting bahadir (Reply 105):
bus terminal experience in IST.

Similar experience here...
JFK-IST TK1 Comfort Class yesterday, a full flight.
Check in done at the E counters for Business/Elite pax... long lines

TK lounge was busy but did the trick.

Gate was 300, downstairs at the bus terminal like space. I literally waited to be the last person on the bus instead of waiting in lines to get on this plane. Long lines, chaos just to check my passport.

TC-JJM "Marmara" was in great shape. Nice smiling FA's throughout the flight.

Finally TK is reaching a standard of what to expect on these flights;
-No information/apology on delays. (Our flight was delayed close to an hour)
-Chicken or Rigatoni, portions are getting smaller. Food is becoming boring. What happened to the Turkish delight, apricot/hazelnut service??
-Besides two meal services and a bottled water delivery, FA's nowhere to be found.
-Inside temperature is overwhelming and screaming kids running the aisles.
-"Is there a medical doctor on board?" announcement.

My solution; noise cancelling headphones, sleeping pils, aisle seat, summery clothing.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:31 pm

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 104):
I am arriving at LAX on TK at around 16:45 and connecting to a WN flight to PHX at 19:15 (separate tickets). Do you think this is doable? Should I catch the bus from TBIT to T1 or just walk?

Yes its quite doable assuming TK is on time. TBIT customs is not as busy now that summer is over.
To save yourself a few minutes, I would also check-in online with Southwest. Can do so 24-hours prior.

On the walk/bus question, I would walk. You might waste 5-mins waiting on the bus by which time you could be half way to T-1 already. Anyhow after long flight, stretching your legs outside might be welcome. I'd walk on the upper level get some fresh air and watch planes as you walk.

Enjoy your trip
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:49 am

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 108):

Yes, when they launched the route about two years ago they wanted 5th freedom rights but Turkey turned them down.I guess the market between the two capitals is not that big so it didn't matter to them.

Actually, I was wrong, Amadeus showed it as a direct flight but there is still the stop. Sorry. Still, good news, from this December both Ankara and Belgrade are getting a fifth weekly flight, operated on Mondays.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:42 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 111):
Yes its quite doable assuming TK is on time. TBIT customs is not as busy now that summer is over.
To save yourself a few minutes, I would also check-in online with Southwest. Can do so 24-hours prior.

On the walk/bus question, I would walk. You might waste 5-mins waiting on the bus by which time you could be half way to T-1 already. Anyhow after long flight, stretching your legs outside might be welcome. I'd walk on the upper level get some fresh air and watch planes as you walk.

Enjoy your trip

Thanks for the answers as always...

I had a very similar situation with LH connecting to WN about 10 years ago and I had missed my connection. That was because we had to stop and refuel in LAS (which coincidentally was my final destination). WN folks were extremely helpful and had re-booked me on to the next flight with no extra charge...
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:10 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 99):

I didn't know that they'd started charging for the wifi, when did this come into place?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:33 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 110):
-Inside temperature is overwhelming and screaming kids running the aisles.

This is a perfect example of a company not listening to its customers. This has been going on since I took my first flight to JFK in 1992.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:36 pm

Tomorrow Onur Air starts its first scheduled service to European destinations from IST/LTBA. Do you think they can give Turkish a nice competition? The prices are pretty smart, the marketing looks good. Can they be the first private airline to join an alliance down the road?

I am pretty impressed by my BJV-IST service on Onur Air this summer. Then again, I love efficient airlines, most of the Turkish customers like airlines that feed them.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:46 pm

Congrats to Onur Air.

But why did they decide now after maybe 20-years to enter scheduled service?

In France, Onur serves many markets already as charter - BOD, LIL, LYS, TLS, CDG, SXB, BES, etc. so they are often seen already in Europe airports.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:55 pm

Quoting bahadir (Reply 116):
I love efficient airlines, most of the Turkish customers like airlines that feed them.

 


We have had them at DUB for many years. They did not always have a good reputation here though.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:29 pm

Yes lets see how Onur manages with its scheduled European ops. Obviously launching the routes in the winter will make it though the first season but with end of some charter flying this is when aircraft became available.

Form what I understand, Onur wants to become the Turkish LCC at IST, similar to how PG is the LCC based at SAW. Onur has new commercial management, ex TK, so they should have a good feel for the market and building a mini hub connecting 5 European cities with 8 or 9 domestic ones is not a bad idea.

On the comment about alliances, I don't see anything similar so long as Onur is a pure LCC. The closest another Turkish carrier got was Atlasjet about a decade ago when they were building a decent network and 2-class product and were noticed by BA and held various talks about commercial ventures.
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:36 am

Good luck to Onur, but it will be a though game!
For example, look at their FRA ops: they depart at 14:55hrs to IST; exactly the same time when PC goes to SAW, also XQ departs exactly at 14:55 to ADB. We also have TK to IST just a few minutes later to IST and again TK roughly 45min. later to SAW. In this example only the price will decide, nothing else!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:44 am

I just saw that TK operates three B737-700, what's the logic behind this? Why did they introduce them? It's strange that an airline as big as TK would have such a small number of a particular model.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sun Oct 26, 2014 10:51 am

in total 737-700 is around 12, rest is operated by anadolu jet. 737-700s have beeb leased to replace 737-400 and growth when they found them available at lease market (ex aero mexico birds)
same applied for TAM and Jet 332s. TK found them at lease market and leased them for 5-8 years to replace aging 343s.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:09 am

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 122):
in total 737-700 is around 12

So does it mean that 9 are operated by Anadolu? I saw online that TK supposedly operates three in their livery. How long do they plan on keeping them in the fleet?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:24 am

as per TK Q3 presentation, they will be phased out in 2015 but there might extend lease contract. at presentation they refer to current lease contract period
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:08 pm

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 124):

Great, thank you.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:11 pm

Is only a pity that PC doesn''t have more then 3 flights a week on the leg: SAW-ALA
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:32 am

Seems like two of the three recently returned 77W are going to be leased by EY.

http://profit.ndtv.com/news/corporat...se-boeing-aircraft-from-jet-684387
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:03 pm

Quoting JU068 (Reply 123):

9 B737-700 AnadoluJet and 3 Turkish Airlines.

But: 2 B737-700 AnadoluJet (TC-SAF and TC-SAG) left today the fleet and returned to lessor. So there are now 7 737-700 planes left by AnadoluJet.
Source: http://www.trfleetnews.com/we-say-bye-bye-to-saf-and-sag/


Sunexpress leased B738 from Gecas. Registration: TC-SNZ. This plane was earlier as TC-SUC at Sunexpress.

[Edited 2014-10-27 10:07:43]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:17 pm

Borajet is still trying to find their right business model I guess. Nowadays they added ESB ADB TZX to their routemap from SAW, directly playing against lowcost PC. On the other hand they also have some regional routes like EDO and coming up again CKZ. What is the influence of the all-Embraer fleet ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:15 pm

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 128):
9 B737-700 AnadoluJet and 3 Turkish Airlines.

But: 2 B737-700 AnadoluJet (TC-SAF and TC-SAG) left today the fleet and returned to lessor. So there are now 7 737-700 planes left by AnadoluJet.
Source: http://www.trfleetnews.com/we-say-bye-bye-to-saf-and-sag/

Thanks for that, it was just a bit odd for me that they would have so few of them.   I guess TK is just waiting for the leases to expire.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation October 2014

Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:31 pm

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