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3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:01 pm

Today marks the day of the first set of 747's retiring from the Delta fleet.

Ship 6311/N671US Manufactured March 1999

Last revenue flight
Sep 30: DL 99 CDG-DTW

Desert flight:
Sep 30: DL 9950 DTW-MZJ 15:30-16:57


Ship 6312/N672US Manufactured July 1999

Last revenue flight
Sep 30: DL 239 AMS-ATL

Desert flight:
Oct 1: DL 9951 ATL-MZJ 10:15-11:00

Ship 6316/N676NW Manufactured April 2002

Last revenue flight
Sep 30: DL 296 NRT-ATL

Desert flight:
Oct 1: DL 9948 12:45-13:30
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:04 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Thread starter):
Ship 6316/N676NW Manufactured April 2002

Certainly did not get a 30 year useful life out of it. I didn't realize they were so young.
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:06 pm

Not very old planes to be retired... specially in Delta, where they have plenty of old planes flying around.

What about the flying hours and cycles?? are they so high?? or they are just not economically viable to continue flying??

What is DL going to use to replace this frames??

[Edited 2014-09-30 12:07:02]
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:07 pm

Yeah, funny when you retire aircraft, and your average fleet age actually increases....

My wife's car is older than these 747s.
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:07 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 2):
What is DL going to use to replace this frames??

Nothing, through the winter. They will have a few new A330-300 HGW frames in time for next summer season.
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:08 pm

They're retiring the newest one? At 12 years old? That sucks, but I guess she was due for a D check...

Meanwhile N661US flies on at over 26 years old.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 2):
What about the flying hours and cycles?? are they so high?? or they are just not economically viable to continue flying??

N676NW was at 53,621 hours in June 2014. The first ten Delta 744s (N661US-N670US) are all still active at 24-26 years old, and all of them have over 100,000 hours on the clock.

[Edited 2014-09-30 12:14:35]
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:12 pm

I would guess these three were next up for HMVs. 676 was the youngest Northwest Bird, built 14 years after 661, 662, and 663. I would guess those aircraft already got the latest D-check and will thus be able to fly for several years without extra maintenance costs.

This kind of thing often happens to airplanes at the top of the food chain. Think about the TWA L1649s for example, that only stayed on long haul routes for just just over 2 years. In this case, once the A330s got the latest gross weight bump, they provided way cheaper lift than the 747-400. I will sure miss the airplane, as it was excellent to work and to ride on.
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:18 pm

So routes like ATL-NRT will be done by 77Es or 332? The HGW 330s arriving I don't think have the range.
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:23 pm

So, I thought they were parking FOUR of them or are these in addition to those?
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:25 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 8):
So, I thought they were parking FOUR of them or are these in addition to those?

The 4th retires end of October, I believe.
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:27 pm

Wow, sad to see these relatively new birds go! Although a little part of me is glad that 661US is still flying.  
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:32 pm

I think the relevant question here is whether these aircraft are being temporarily stored for the duration of the winter schedule, or are they being permanently withdrawn from use?
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:32 pm

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 7):
So routes like ATL-NRT will be done by 77Es or 332?

It's been a 77E/77L route in the past and probably will be again.
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:45 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Thread starter):
Ship 6311/N671US Manufactured March 1999
Quoting burnsie28 (Thread starter):
Ship 6312/N672US Manufactured July 1999

These two were originally going to be retired back in Autumn/Winter 2012, so they got a couple more years service at least.
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:48 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 11):
think the relevant question here is whether these aircraft are being temporarily stored for the duration of the winter schedule, or are they being permanently withdrawn from use?

Are these leased or Delta owned? If they are leased then it makes more sense
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:50 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 11):

I think the relevant question here is whether these aircraft are being temporarily stored for the duration of the winter schedule, or are they being permanently withdrawn from use?

These 747s will be retired. I'm sure at their young age and low cycle count they'll get some use as a freighter. Though I don't think they'll carry passengers again. Delta is readjusting capacity and is pulling 767s and 77E/77Ls from the Atlantic and deploying them to the Pacific. Plus with the reduced footprint of the Narita hub, there just isn't the need for all of that capacity. It's still so sad to see them go, of course. I hope that wide-body order takes a little longer to be worked out so that we can keep seeing these beautiful birds continue to grace the sky.
The changes involved with the capacity reduction are as follows:

ATL-NRT 744 to 777
LAX-NRT 744 to 777
DTW-NGO 744 to A332
JFK-NRT 744 to 777 (future)
JFK-TLV 744 to 777 (future)
HKG-NRT cancels Oct 26 (HKG served via SEA)
MNL-NGO cancels Oct 26 (MNL served via NRT)

The 747 will continue to be operated on
DTW-ICN
DTW-NRT
DTW-PVG
MNL-NRT
HNL-NRT
HNL-KIX



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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:52 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 14):
Are these leased or Delta owned? If they are leased then it makes more sense

All three are leased.

The four owned birds are:

N667US ship 6307
N668US ship 6308
N670US ship 6310
N675NW ship 6315
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:05 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 11):
I think the relevant question here is whether these aircraft are being temporarily stored for the duration of the winter schedule, or are they being permanently withdrawn from use?

They're being stored for future use, but I seriously doubt they'll ever actually come back (with Delta at least), especially if they're up for expensive maintenance checks. A D check is a 6 year investment, so Delta isn't going to throw D checks at them just to use them for another summer or two.

Quoting ThomasMTroxell (Reply 15):
I'm sure at their young age and low cycle count they'll get some use as a freighter.

744 freighter conversions are deader than dead. There's no chance these frames will be converted to freighters. Their best bet is if a third tier airline like Thai Orient or Air Atlanta Icelandic takes them.

I think we'll probably see another four parked next year, leaving eight, which is more than enough for the schedule. These eight will probably be gone by 2017/18. It's obvious Delta is accelerating the retirement of the 744; they're even offering the pilots early retirement. That makes it clear this is a one way transition away from the plane. It makes me very sad but it's inevitable.

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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:12 pm

Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 5):
Meanwhile N661US flies on at over 26 years old.

6301 will be the 4th ship to be parked.

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 7):

So routes like ATL-NRT will be done by 77Es or 332?

Is going 77L

LAX-NRT will see the ER for a few weeks then go 77L also.
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:14 pm

So sad that I won't see any of DL's 744's  

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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:34 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 3):

My wife's car is older than these 747s.

So's mine. But the money I saved in car payments all these years payed for a lot of flying  
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:45 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 18):
6301 will be the 4th ship to be parked.

Awwwwwwww man. She's the most interesting 747 in the fleet.
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:07 pm

Is there any reason the last flights for 671 and 672 are out of CDG and AMS, respectively? Aren't the 747s used mainly on Asia routes as well as to Tel Aviv and not Europe?
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:11 pm

Quoting N415XJ (Reply 22):

now that the the AF strike is over, Delta is flying some extra capacity into CDG/AMS to clean up the mess.
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:13 pm

I know DL occasionally sends their 744's to AMS. Maybe in this case it might have to do with KL and AF being the big alliance partners of DL? Otherwise I have no idea.

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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:17 pm

Seems the chose the planes ONLY when the leasing contract ends. Not age. Delta has 744s active which are twice as old as these three!

As they are quite young I guess these planes will fly for someone else in the future, though I doubt there are many beyond the likes of Air Atlanta or Kabo Air who could be interested. Maybe Transaero to replace older 744s?
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:33 pm

Will DL rip out the interiors for spares on the remaining fleet?
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:51 pm

Quoting ThomasMTroxell (Reply 15):
The 747 will continue to be operated on
DTW-ICN
DTW-NRT
DTW-PVG
MNL-NRT
HNL-NRT
HNL-KIX

So 747 service to BKK is done?
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:53 pm

I flew N676NW the week it went into service w NW. And I flew everyone of the NW 744s & most of their 742s on TPAC flights over the years. Sad to see these go.
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:00 pm

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 9):
The 4th retires end of October, I believe.

Sounds like 6301 will stay around running charters and acting as a spare until about the end of the year.
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:34 pm

I was tracking those 747s and saw they were being retired. I happened to be in ATL today and caught ship 6316 at the gate for the last time. Kinda weird seeing that, and knowing there will be no more revenue flights for that 747.
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:43 pm

I'm glad I got to ride on one of the original DL 747s in the early 70s, because it looks like I won't get a chance to ride one of these.
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:56 pm

Sad to see them go, especially considering that DL only completed the 747 cabin mods in 2011 or 2012. I rode a DL 747 in February on BKK-NRT, and it'll probably be my last ride.
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:05 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Thread starter):
April 2002

That is very, very young for a 747.

Nevertheless, this is a sad day for the Queen of the Skies and the beginning of the end of an era for Delta and the entire U.S. airline industry. It will be an unfortunate day when the 747 is not operated by a domestic carrier...that day will be here sooner than we know it. She will be replaced, however, by the beautiful and amazing 787 and 777X.
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:06 pm

I am very grateful the majority of my trips this calendar year was on the 747-400, more than any other type on Delta. I was able to enjoy a DTW-ICN roundtrip, NRT-BKK (4 roundtrips), LAX-NRT (3 roundtrips), and now I hope to see at least a 747 equipment swap for our usual LAX-ATL Thanksgiving Weekend services. I had so many wonderful flight experiences on this plane and I am sad to see them go. Now, I guess I will be "stuck" with new adventures on the A330 to BKK and the 777 across the ocean... oh well, first-world problems   haha!
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:15 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Thread starter):
Desert flight:
Sep 30: DL 9950 DTW-MZJ 15:30-16:57

Nooooo!!!! Why couldn't they wait 26 hours? I'll be in DTW tomorrow evening. Would've loved to have been able to get a photo.


Man... time is running out for me to even *SEE* a DL 747 up close, let alone ride one...
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:00 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 18):
6301 will be the 4th ship to be parked.

Farewell N401PW......

This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:08 am

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 33):
That is very, very young for a 747.

I believe HMVs for 747s occur at years 7,13,19,25, etc. so a 2002 build is probably due for an overhaul.
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:16 am

Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 5):
Meanwhile N661US flies on at over 26 years old.

Glad to hear that the prototype 744 is still doing what it does best...  
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:52 am

So glad that we were able to ride DL 744 NRT-DTW last year on our trip to/from GUM! Upper deck and everything. Only bad part of that was, originally the DTW-NRT leg was supposed 744 also, but was changed a few months before our trip to 777. I was hoping to ride in the nose section one direction and upper deck the other, but I'm glad we got the one segment that we did!
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:14 am

Quoting panamair (Reply 16):

Quoting n471wn (Reply 14):
Are these leased or Delta owned? If they are leased then it makes more sense

All three are leased.
Quoting av8ajet (Reply 26):
Will DL rip out the interiors for spares on the remaining fleet?

If these aircraft are leased, Delta can not remove or swap any part from the aircraft. They are the property of the leasing company and they have to be left intact and be in a condition that is stated in the lease. Delta may be obligated to make lease payments and the lease holder may do as it sees fit with the aircraft. If the leasing company removes any parts or sells or releases the aircraft then Delta will not be obligated to continue payments.   
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:56 am

Isn't there one 744 of DL already there?
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:23 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 23):
now that the the AF strike is over, Delta is flying some extra capacity into CDG/AMS to clean up the mess.

During the AF strike DL re-allocated some capacity to AMS to re-route passengers to the KL network.

- MSP-AMS B763 became A333
- BOS-AMS B763 became A333
- SEA-AMS B763 became B764
- ATL-AMS A333 became a one-off B744
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:37 am

I overheard some DL pilots talking on a bus recently, about some 747-driver compatriots who had retired recently, I guess taking the buyouts discussed above. The one, a 747 CAPT, was saying that he intended to hang around until the last 747 was parked, and then to retire. Sad on a number of levels. It's plainly a topic of discussion among the pilots.
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:09 am

Very odd that Ship 661US is still flying strong-- she's the first ever built 744-- yet her youngest sister is going to be one of the first to go.

Quoting burnsie28 (Thread starter):
Ship 6316/N676NW Manufactured April 2002

I flew on her once. Godspeed to her
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:12 pm

Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 5):
N676NW was at 53,621 hours in June 2014.
Quoting burnsie28 (Thread starter):
Ship 6316/N676NW Manufactured April 2002

Last revenue flight
Sep 30: DL 296 NRT-ATL

Desert flight:
Oct 1: DL 9948 12:45-13:30

Why would Delta retire a 12 year old 747 when they have some 25 years old ? The market for used P & W powered 744 is about ? Zero.
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:21 pm

Just proves the day's of 4 engines is coming to an end.... Sad to see them go.

Thanks for sharing.
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:41 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 45):
Why would Delta retire a 12 year old 747 when they have some 25 years old ? The market for used P & W powered 744 is about ? Zero.

These decisions almost always come down to avoiding maintenance costs. This leads to times where newer and lower-cycle aircraft get parked before older higher cycle aircraft.

If that particular 744 was up against a HMV / D-Check that costs millions of dollars to perform, they would park it before it times out. The older frames may have more time before its next overhaul.

Same reasons why newer build 757s were put into storage versus the ex-NW 5500s series still flying. Same why 2 A330s were put into temporary storage for the winter a few years ago.
 
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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:01 pm

Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 21):
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 18):
6301 will be the 4th ship to be parked.

Awwwwwwww man. She's the most interesting 747 in the fleet.


Besides being the prototype B744, I believe it also made history as the ship operating NW85 in October 2002.

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RE: 3 DL 747's Retire

Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:01 pm

These aircraft are owned by Wells Fargo Bank, NA. Maybe this is a ploy to get them to lower the lease rates since no one seems to want to buy them.

These are in short term storage and can be made flyable in about 6 days.

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