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Quoting Legend757 (Reply 1): CDC, VEL and CNY: Loads for these cities are unimpressive to say the least, but if I am correct all three of these cities are flown at risk by OO? |
Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 2): These three cities are EAS cities. CDC sees CRJ2's and VEL and CNY get 120's. All three cities are hugely at overcapacity and really should be served with something like what CApe Air does in Montana |
Quoting SLCSFOPDX (Thread starter): This thread is dedicated to all things aviation in Utah. Airports with commercial service include SLC, PVU, VEL, CNY, SGU, OGD, and CDC. |
Quoting Legend757 (Reply 1): As for a new Park City airport or the commercialization of Heber, is there really a significant need for it? I know updating Heber with ILS would be helpful especially during the busy winter season. Many corporate and private aircraft have to divert to SLC or PVU during inclement weather. Then again, I am all for preparing for the future, and if the need for a commercial airport in Park City is forseen in the next 10-20 years, now is the time to get started |
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Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 2): These three cities are EAS cities. CDC sees CRJ2's and VEL and CNY get 120's. All three cities are hugely at overcapacity and really should be served with something like what CApe Air does in Montana. (typical US Governmental Waste) |
Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 12): CDC is an interesting case. Sure, the revenue loads aren't spectacular most of the time, but it's a good backup for commuters who need to get back down to SGU but cannot get on the flight(s). |
Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 13): You mean |
Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 14): Correct. The nice thing is that there's usually someone on the CDC flight that can provide a carpool to SGU. |
Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 15): I would suppose then that the Non Rev Load Factor would be well above the Paying Passenger Load Factor, essentially making this a Govt Subsidized NonRev Market. |
Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 16): It wouldn't quite go that far. It still serves a purpose to the community and surrounding area, including labeling itself as a gateway to Zion park and Bryce Canyon, as well as the multiple world-renowned literary and cultural festivals that happen at the university area. The fact that non-revs use it as an overflow to a neighboring market is missing the point. |
Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 17): Glad this came up, I will get the records from the CDC airport for my reporting as well, to see the difference in revenue produced boardings vs non-rev boardings. Maybe draw it to EAS's attention. |
Quoting SLCSFOPDX (Thread starter): PVU: The city of Provo is beginning to level the ground and area to potentially build a new terminal. No official announcement has been mad at this time though. |
Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 18): Well, if you want to be thorough to prove some sort of malicious intent, be sure to ask for the records from when Air Midwest had the route. |
Quoting SLCSFOPDX (Reply 22): I remember when Air Midwest west flew to CDC there would be at time 1-3 people on the flights. Terrible. |
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Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 21): NO malicious intent. Why should OO be subsidized to carry non revers around? It is outright governmental waste. |
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Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 29): While the E-120 is better suited to the market, the government was advised last EAS bid that the flight was moving up to the CRJ-200 due to the draw-down of the E-120, and despite the competition from the likes of Great Lakes and Air Midwest (among others,) who fly turboprops, the DOT chose SkyWest because it has greater revenue potential by being a connection carrier and because of its reliability, coupled by being backed by the community at large. While it's rare to see a plane go full of revenue out of CDC, the government is still going to pay the subsidy amount regardless if there were non-revs on the flight or not. I really don't see your argument here. The DOT wants butts in seats, and year after year, that minimum revenue quota is met and exceeded (well, except during the time of Air Midwest...) and that's what the government cares about. |
Quoting Legend757 (Reply 33): I've thought the same. That may be a distinct reason why AS is holding onto SLC. They know if they let go, others might swoop in....especially with highly valued gate space at SLC. |
Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 32): OK, I will accept your explanation and will quit dogging on CDC. |
Quoting Legend757 (Reply 1): Then again, I am all for preparing for the future, and if the need for a commercial airport in Park City is forseen in the next 10-20 years, now is the time to get started. |
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Quoting SLCSFOPDX (Reply 38): I could see AS/QX adding some more flights to SEA, LAX, and maybe even some new destinations to places such as BZN, BIL, and GEG. |
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Quoting SLCSFOPDX (Reply 22): As for potential airlines coming to SLC, I think FI or FE could potentially serve SLC. SLC seems like a destination those airlines would serve. Y4 is a possibility but I am sure DL would fight hard to keep GDL and MEX to themselves. SLC doesn't seem like a city VX would serve. NK is only a matter of time until they fly to SLC. SLC, along with SEA, are two of the biggest holes in their network. AC used to fly to SLC from YYZ but DL matched them on price and drove them out of SLC. HA I think is a possibility once they get some of their new planes in a few years. Other than that, I can't think of any other airline...... |
Quoting SLCSFOPDX (Reply 22): AC used to fly to SLC from YYZ but DL matched them on price and drove them out of SLC. |
Quoting SLCSFOPDX (Reply 22): AC used to fly to SLC from YYZ but DL matched them on price and drove them out of SLC. |
Quoting mayor (Reply 45): Mind telling me that time frame when that happened? I worked there for 23 years for DL and don't remember AC ever flying into and out of SLC. |
Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 46): It was in 2006 didn't last long. Check etc was at UAL counter and I believe UA handled almost everything for them in SLC |