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Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:47 pm

Recently Air China took delivery of their first 747-8i aircraft:

Air China To Take Delivery Of First 747-8i (by Miami Sep 27 2014 in Civil Aviation)

Now the airline revealed photos of the cabin configuration.

First Class:



Business Class:



Economy Class:



Seat map (was released earlier):



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http://www.ausbt.com.au/photos-air-c...premium-economy-class-seats-cabins
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:36 pm

Weird to have the First Class behind the Business Class on the main deck. Air China is the only airline that does this on 747's.
 
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:53 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):

I thinks it's a brilliant idea to have First Class in this area, their seat arrangement 1-2-1 would not have worked at the nose section. The nose section does have a more 'spacious feeling' to it.
 
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Thu Oct 09, 2014 11:40 pm

What is weird is that row 1 isn't at the front of the aircraft.
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Thu Oct 09, 2014 11:44 pm

Quoting Avionics09 (Reply 2):
I thinks it's a brilliant idea to have First Class in this area, their seat arrangement 1-2-1 would not have worked at the nose section. The nose section does have a more 'spacious feeling' to it.

Since almost all airlines use the nose for First Class, it funny to have it what is normally the downstairs J class cabin. Air China is the only one that does this.
 
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Fri Oct 10, 2014 12:33 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 3):
What is weird is that row 1 isn't at the front of the aircraft.

I'm assuming that is so First Class have the first row numbers.
 
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Fri Oct 10, 2014 12:40 am

Am I missing something or does the first picture of Business class not match the seat map? I count 7 rows of Business class where in the seat map it should only be 2. It's almost as if the First class cabin isn't there.
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Fri Oct 10, 2014 3:12 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):

Since almost all airlines use the nose for First Class, it funny to have it what is normally the downstairs J class cabin. Air China is the only one that does this.

So first class passengers will not be distubed during the boarding.
J can use L1 while F & Y can use L2 for boarding
 
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Fri Oct 10, 2014 4:39 am

Quoting 737-990 (Reply 6):
Am I missing something or does the first picture of Business class not match the seat map? I count 7 rows of Business class where in the seat map it should only be 2. It's almost as if the First class cabin isn't there.

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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:34 am

The computer generated graphics don't really provide a good image of the cabin product. Try these articles:

http://news.mydrivers.com/1/324/324037.htm

http://www.aero.cn/html/9/2014/1002/36204.html
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:48 am

PE is 10 across like Y???
 
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Fri Oct 10, 2014 12:48 pm

Quoting phoenixVIP (Reply 9):

The computer generated graphics don't really provide a good image of the cabin product. Try these articles:

http://news.mydrivers.com/1/324/324037.htm

http://www.aero.cn/html/9/2014/1002/36204.html

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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:17 pm

And this is how you "sit down" in China for take-off...

http://img1.mydrivers.com/img/201410...225659aed447a1a783b2d535400540.jpg
 
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:31 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 10):

Yes in China Premium Economy is classified as an Economy Plus product, where the product is exactly the same as Economy bar a few extra inches of leg room. The rest of the hard and soft product is essentially the same. This approach is different to others, ie. Cathay Pacific who have their Premium Economy product as a Business Minus style.

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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:48 pm

The business class seat is similar to KLM's new business class seat. However, KLM has three single seats in the nose, as opposed to Air China having all seats in pairs. I imagine KLM's single seats will be sought after due to not needing to climb over your seatmate to reach the aisle. I'm disappointed Air China doesn't have any single seats in J.
 
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:59 pm

Quoting 737-990 (Reply 6):

Am I missing something or does the first picture of Business class not match the seat map? I count 7 rows of Business class where in the seat map it should only be 2. It's almost as if the First class cabin isn't there.

I was thinking the same thing! When I saw the pictures, I first thought, "Wow, if J is in the nose, and F clearly isn't on the nose or the upper deck and then there's that huge J cabin on the main deck as well, either they crammed a bunch of Y seats upstairs or this is one heck of a premium heavy aircraft!" After looking at the seatmap, I realized the first J photo is not a possible scenario in real life.
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Fri Oct 10, 2014 3:46 pm

I like the position of First Class! I really dislike sitting on top of (or even in front of) the nose gear while taxiing -- the sideways motion during "sharp" turns is really weird.
 
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:07 pm

I think Thai for a while had a configuration on the DC10s where Business Class was in front, in the zone between doors 1 and 2, and then First was behind Door 2.

Can anyone else confirm?
 
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:52 pm

Quoting AT (Reply 17):
Can anyone else confirm?

Yes that was the case
 
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:47 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 3):
What is weird is that row 1 isn't at the front of the aircraft.

Chinese airlines often use a weird seat numbering system. In some of their narrowbodies, economy seats start with high numbers for instance. I don't know why, perhaps it allows them to exchange equipment easier.
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:47 pm

I do not recall in cabin configurations there is a MUST to layout an aircraft cabin in the sequence from F/C to B/C to Y/C. I think Air China was clever in thinking of reserving a constant fuselage section portion of the aircraft for F/C, I also see it as an innovative way in dividing a B747 cabin.

[Edited 2014-10-10 14:37:04]
 
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:29 pm

Air China has attempted to keep the product consistent between their 748 and 77W fleets as these two are really the premier long haul fleets that they use for their most important destination. By keeping first class in the second cabin they are able to maintain a 1-2-1 while business can be maintained as a 2-2-2. In my opinion it's very smart and they've done a very good job. Of course having CZ's A388 business that's staggered in layout would be preferable but the service in business is very good on CA.

The way that seats are numbered always allow for easy swaps in cabin equipment which sometimes can occur at short notice (ie. a 747 subbing for a A330 during a very peak period, etc.).
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:23 am

Quoting phoenixVIP (Reply 21):

For me I really can not see that much of a 2-2-2 for B/C in there except for two rows, but I can see your point about maintaing a 1-2-1 layout in F/C which is a clever move that I imagine have driven down complexity in developing the suites through otherwise a changing fuselage contour & is providing utmost suite spaciousness for customers in constant section portion plus commonality with other equipment as you said.

I always wonder why airlines are stuck into keeping upper cabin for B/C passengers; is it the lure of having to sit on the upper cabin or there are Lopa trade studies that continuously keep endorsing that? If it is up to me (now it is my wishful thinking talking, lol) I would even send those upper B/C downstairs to the main cabin where they can also make benefit of a spacious cabin with more 2-2-2's in there and have upper cabin all Y/C. Now F/C would be somewhere above the wing (basically over cg of aircraft (+ or -)) where passengers would feel the least of air turbulences & have the most of a rest sleep. But again all above is IMHO.
 
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:30 am

Quoting Clipper101 (Reply 22):
For me I really can not see that much of a 2-2-2 for B/C in there except for two rows

I just wanted to amend above phrase so that it would look like this:

For me I really can not see that much of a 2-2-2 for B/C in there except for two rows (unlike rendering in original post that shows a complete B/C cabin in 2-2-2 which seems rather out of a B777). …
 
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:45 am

Quoting Rara (Reply 19):

Chinese airlines often use a weird seat numbering system. In some of their narrowbodies, economy seats start with high numbers for instance. I don't know why, perhaps it allows them to exchange equipment easier.

Yes you are right. So first row of Business and Economy Class will have the same row number fleetwide.
Easier for equipment swap at last minutes, which can be very comment for domestic flight.

Many airlines have implemented such strategy.
 
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:00 pm

Quoting Clipper101 (Reply 22):

I apologise, I should have written a combined 2 seats together, so that it can make a 2-2 or 2-2-2 combination which still retains consistency in offering and easier product altogether (no odd seat configurations).
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:37 pm

Business looks like a shot of United's BF cabin  

How many airlines use that exact "straight from the catalog" business seat? I am starting to dislike them vs being neutral.

When a ticket is $7000 to $9000 for business class - customers deserve to be picky!
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:30 pm

Quoting VC10er (Reply 26):

I figure customizing catalogue products to a specific customer taste has a hefty ($) sign associated to it. These customized products can also be more demanding in terms of maintenance as products gets older. I personally (that is IMHO) do not think there is a meaning of customizing your equipment & spending all that $ sign when you can expect them to age prematurely during service. When it is in a brand new condition, an airline can expect a customized product to give a passenger the initial 'WOW' when first entering the cabin. Depending on how much you take care of it & how much it degrades in service that WOW-factor could descend slowly to WOw, then to Wow before ending just at a mere wow level.

But remember an airline product offering is not just about customizing your equipment in seats & IFE (anyways most airlines nowadays have a diverse but in overall descent IFE offerings), rather it is about a complete flight experience package from a crew smile, crew attitude (attentive or not, arrogant or not, courteous or not), grade level of catering (food, drinks & cutlery), general cabin atmosphere (from the kind of ambience fabric & wall paper designs give to the cabin), cleanliness level of cabin (especially toilets), and even maintenance level of your equipment (as discussed above).
 
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Sat Oct 11, 2014 11:18 pm

The Business Class product seems to be the same product AA has on their 321T (UA has it as well) and what QR has for their all-Business Class A319 to LHR.

[Edited 2014-10-11 16:21:13]
 
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RE: Air China Reveals 747-8i Cabin

Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:21 pm

Quoting phoenixVIP (Reply 9):
The computer generated graphics don't really provide a good image of the cabin product. Try these articles:

http://news.mydrivers.com/1/324/324037.htm

http://www.aero.cn/html/9/2014/1002/36204.html

Thanks for sharing! Some great pictures in those articles, not just of the cabin product, but some behind the scenes delivery elements!

Apparently Air China also had a big celebration in Beijing to commemorate the delivery and entry into service. This link has 9 pics from that, including some nice shots of the cabin, one of which I am including in this post.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2014-10/11/content_18723050.htm

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