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Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:15 pm

https://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...80690&s=ethiopian+dublin#ID5980690

(Previous thread above has since been archived.)

Dublin Airport Welcomes New Routes To Los Angeles And Addis Ababa

Ethiopian Airlines is to launch a new route from Addis Ababa to Los Angeles via Dublin from next summer. Dublin Airport will gain two new year-round direct routes as a result of this decision, as Ethiopian will be selling both the Dublin-LA segment and the Dublin-Addis Ababa segment separately. Ethiopian will fly three return flights per week from Addis Ababa to Los Angeles via Dublin using a Boeing 787 Dreamliner. The aircraft will have a two-hour stopover in Dublin. Ireland has granted Ethiopian what are termed fifth freedom rights, which enable the airline to sell tickets on all sectors of the new Addis Ababa to Los Angeles route. The Dublin-Addis flight will connect with Ethiopian’s extensive African network.


http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-...o_Los_Angeles_And_Addis_Ababa.aspx

Also see:

http://www.ethiosports.com/2014/10/1...flights-to-dublin-and-los-angeles/
 
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:17 pm

Amazing, great news!

Glad to see Ethiopian send the 787 to LAX!

Congrats to LAX and Ethiopian!



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Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:31 pm

Interesting...but woof that will be terrible.
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:31 pm

Very Very Smart!
5th Freedom on the LAX-DUB will get be great for Biz travel.
Plus... Star Alliance... Nice move ET!
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Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:44 pm

Quoting JDFLYVC10 (Reply 3):
Plus... Star Alliance... Nice move ET!

Its great to see another Star carrier at DUB. I hope it proves productive for all concerned. A return of a direct link DUB to LAX with a much enhanced product is welcomed.
 
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Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:47 am

Congrats to LA, but wonder why NYC wasn't chosen?
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:51 am

Pretty simple.

Far largest population centers for Ethiopian diaspora in the U.S are D.C. and L.A.
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Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:01 am

Quoting flyguy1 (Reply 5):
Congrats to LA, but wonder why NYC wasn't chosen?
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
Pretty simple.

Far largest population centers for Ethiopian diaspora in the U.S are D.C. and L.A.

Roughly 250,000 in the Washington area, the largest Ethiopian community other than Addis Ababa.
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:31 am

Congrats to ET, DUB and LAX!!!

But what a long flight that will be, at least it is in a 788...

I think it will succeed for the following reasons:

  • (1) SoCal Ethiopian diaspora to ADD
  • (2) Bay Area Ethiopian diaspora with a SFO/SJC/OAK-LAX on UA and then on ET to ADD via DUB
  • (3) East Africa (Kenya, Uganda, DRC, etc.) to LAX and Southern Cal
  • (4) DUB-LAX 5th freedom
  • (5) DUB-East/Southern Africa


They are also planning to launch a direct flight to SIN (used to be tag-on from BKK) see: http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...iving-changi-a-needed-boost-189892

NRT nonstop slated for 20Dec2014

Amazing to have ET cover the world from NRT in the east to LAX in the west, very impressive (and I hope sustainable) growth.
 
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Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:55 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
Roughly 250,000 in the Washington area, the largest Ethiopian community other than Addis Ababa.

ET has consistently run a 70% LF to IAD, the largest Ethiopian population in North America by far. Los Angeles is about half that, at best.
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Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:46 am

ET are a great airline. I thoroughly enjoy flying them. I can't wait to use this flight enroute to Europe and beyond in Y or J. It's a pity it isn't a 77L flight, as they are more rare than 788s but they are still nice to fly.
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Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:44 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 9):
ET has consistently run a 70% LF to IAD, the largest Ethiopian population in North America by far. Los Angeles is about half that, at best.

Pros
LAX-DUB has been a decent sized market in the past almost approaching 100 PDEW. It will help.
They are not going in daily
Ireland's first African route to a growing hub
ET is in *A

Cons
TK, EK, EY and eventually QR showing up in LA
2-stops for LAX-Africa
2011 MIDT showed ADD-LAX at 10 PDEW. Is the LAX diaspora travelling under the "MIDT" radar here?

Questions

Is a densely packed 787 the right plane?
Could EI play nice and feed the flights with their network?
Will UA assist their *A partner on this particular venture as they have done in IAD?
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Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:52 pm

Quoting flyguy1 (Reply 5):

Congrats to LA, but wonder why NYC wasn't chosen?

Most important, NYC-DUB has tons of service already. Also i think Ethopia-LAX has better potential for the thru passengers.

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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:56 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 11):
2011 MIDT showed ADD-LAX at 10 PDEW

Sorry, call me "Mr. Thicky", but can you explain this. I don't know what MIDT or PDEW mean!

I do agree with your pros

The cons ... well, it depends on where you're going. If you're going to India or the far east, ADD is a bit out of the way, but certainly an interesting alternative to the others! If you're going to Africa, then ADD is probably a more natural hub.

Also, the extra stop in DUB might affect the attractiveness of the route in terms of elapsed time, but I think that if ET produces the right product (and it seems to have a good product), it should do well.

I'm interested in seeing the schedule they operate. We were looking at possibilities on the Irish aviation thread and thought at a departure time of around midnight from ADD would result in an arrival time of around 6am into DUB, then departure at 8am, getting into LAX at about 11-11.30am (which will make LAX spotters v. happy!).

On the way back, we think the objective will be to feed into ADD's African connections, meaning an arrival time into ADD of around 6am. For that to work, it would mean a whole day stopover at LAX, then departing at about 1am, getting into DUB at 7pm, leaving at 8.30-9pm and arriving into ADD at 6am.

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 11):
Is a densely packed 787 the right plane?

I'm tempted to ask if any densely packed plane is the right plane for a long haul trip in Y!? Certainly 9 abreast in a 787 won't be fun; will the 787's supposedly better A/C make it more palatable than a 777 in 10 abreast? Which will have the wider seats and better pitch?
 
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Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:10 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 13):
PDEW

Passengers Daily Each Way.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 13):
MIDT

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Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:14 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 11):
Pros
LAX-DUB has been a decent sized market in the past almost approaching 100 PDEW. It will help.
They are not going in daily
Ireland's first African route to a growing hub
ET is in *A

It's 9100+ miles and the vast majority of traffic is going to be double connects. It will attract some DUBLAX passengers if ET bothers to sell it, but overall it will not be full and the fares will be atrocious. I just don't see how ET can justify this in any way.
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:14 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 11):
Could EI play nice and feed the flights with their network?

EI would be foolish not to see this venture as a threat, especially to their DUB-SFO route which was relaunched this year and will have an increased frequency next summer. I think EI will be concentrating on feeding their own longhaul routes rather than those of non-partner airlines like ET. I don't think EI would have much to gain from any potential partnership with ET. Ireland wouldn't have much point-to-point demand into sub-Saharan Africa, except maybe to Nigeria and South Africa.
 
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:15 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 13):
I don't know what MIDT or PDEW mean!

PDEW is passengers departing each way per day.

MIDT info using passenger origin and destination (O+D) from ticketed flights. A person flying LAX-BOS-DUB on a EI/B6 interline counts toward DUB-LAX O+D and not DUB-BOS and LAX-BOS.

MIDT does not factor in itineraries on multiple tickets. Its very likely the diaspora in LAX flies to IAD, JFK or Europe and then to ADD and beyond on separate tickets.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 13):
The cons ... well, it depends on where you're going. If you're going to India or the far east, ADD is a bit out of the way

I wasn't factoring in India at all. TK and ME3, along with the Euro/US alliances, are all competition for Africa and Middle East traffic which ET would be trying to get.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 13):
I'm tempted to ask if any densely packed plane is the right plane for a long haul trip in Y!?

True and also remember coach is coach in long-haul - I don't care what plane you are on. I was wondering if having some more Cloud Nine seats would help on the LAX-DUB end yield wise. I have no clue on the potential premium traffic on the route.
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:54 pm

I wish them the best. This airline is certainly the underdog.
Even at FCO they were not able to get 5th freedom rights.
 
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:19 pm

Not sure where those O&D numbers come from, but as of Q1 2014, the daily O&D is about 120 pax/day.

Top market share carriers are EK 28%, TK 26% and LH 14%.
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Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:28 pm

EK is selling LAXDAR/NBO/ADD for under $1000rt all in. That's under a 6 cent yield, for a one stop, versus a two stop on ET.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
Not sure where those O&D numbers come from, but as of Q1 2014, the daily O&D is about 120 pax/day.

I don't think so--it's more like a tenth of that.
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Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:21 am

Quoting VCEflyboy (Reply 18):
Even at FCO they were not able to get 5th freedom rights.

I believe ET does have 5th freedom rights at FCO but hasn't used them since there would be almost no traffic considering the middle-of-the-night times their westbound flights make a tech stop at FCO for fuel. And the flights that stop at FCO westbound are usually nonstop eastbound so they wouldn't even be able to sell a round trip ticket and there are very few true one way passengers. They'd also have to pay for check-in and baggage handling staff for a handful of passengers at best.
 
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:34 pm

Here is their proposed schedule


ET504 ADD-DUB 2330-0530 788 WeFrSu
ET504 DUB-LAX 0630-0930 788 MoThSa

ET503 LAX-DUB 2330-1830 788 MoThSa
ET503 DUB-ADD 1930-0600 788 TuFrSu

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Terrible times for local DUB-LAX traffic.
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:37 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 13):
I'm interested in seeing the schedule they operate. We were looking at possibilities on the Irish aviation thread and thought at a departure time of around midnight from ADD would result in an arrival time of around 6am into DUB, then departure at 8am, getting into LAX at about 11-11.30am (which will make LAX spotters v. happy!).

On the way back, we think the objective will be to feed into ADD's African connections, meaning an arrival time into ADD of around 6am. For that to work, it would mean a whole day stopover at LAX, then departing at about 1am, getting into DUB at 7pm, leaving at 8.30-9pm and arriving into ADD at 6am.

Not a million miles from what I expected; a later DUB departure would have been great - mainly for photography!

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):
Terrible times for local DUB-LAX traffic.

Ah sure it'll be grand; we're early risers here!
 
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:41 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):
ET504 ADD-DUB 2330-0530 788 WeFrSu
ET504 DUB-LAX 0630-0930 788 MoThSa

ET503 LAX-DUB 2330-1830 788 MoThSa
ET503 DUB-ADD 1930-0600 788 TuFrSu

It just gets worse--there goes the local DUBLAX traffic. How is this better than say, making 3-4 Europe trips daily? Or BRU nonstop? Or 2nd trips in LHR and FRA?
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:46 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 24):
It just gets worse--there goes the local DUBLAX traffic. How is this better than say, making 3-4 Europe trips daily? Or BRU nonstop? Or 2nd trips in LHR and FRA?

I'm not so sure it's really that bad...

0630 is DUB's busiest time - certainly Irish travellers are well used to these early departures, and even DL had an 0740 ATL departure in the recent past.

That said, the long LAX layover suggests they could easily delay the DUB departure to 0700 or 0730, which would make it that bit more palatable.
 
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Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:50 pm

Schedules and reservations have been loaded into the GDS:

ET504 ADD2300 – 0530+1DUB0630+1 – 0930+1LAX 788 357
ET505 LAX2330 – 1830+1DUB1930+1 – 0600+2ADD 788 146
 
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:00 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 23):
Not a million miles from what I expected; a later DUB departure would have been great - mainly for photography!

Well Summertime here in Ireland should be ok  

Times as expected and actually not bad at all. I doubt Ex DUB will have issues with an early departure. The return gives you the full day in LA too.
 
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Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:49 pm

14 hours on the ground at LAX??? Why??? This seems like a waste of an asset to be sitting on the ground for that long.

On the face of it, I have to say this does seem like it will bleed money (notwithstanding my enthusiasm for seeing an African tail at LAX).
 
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Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:54 pm

Quoting travelin man (Reply 28):

14 hours on the ground at LAX??? Why??? This seems like a waste of an asset to be sitting on the ground for that long.

Its all timed to connect at the ADD hub.

Arriving back to ADD @ 0600 allows for beyond connections to nearly 20 markets in the 0700-0900 time frame.
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:02 pm

The time on the ground in DUB on the outbound in particular is very tight if they are looking to take advantage or pre clearance. I'm not even sure if it'll be open at that hour
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:09 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):
ET504 DUB-LAX 0630-0930 788 MoThSa
Quoting EIRules (Reply 30):
The time on the ground in DUB on the outbound in particular is very tight if they are looking to take advantage or pre clearance. I'm not even sure if it'll be open at that hour

Preclearance hours at DUB are currently 07:00-16:00...not sure the US DHS would adjust them just to suit ET and a thrice-weekly frequency.
 
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Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:10 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):
ET504 DUB-LAX 0630-0930 788 MoThSa
Quoting EIRules (Reply 30):
The time on the ground in DUB on the outbound in particular is very tight if they are looking to take advantage or pre clearance. I'm not even sure if it'll be open at that hour

Preclearance hours at DUB are currently 07:00-16:00...not sure the US DHS would adjust them just to suit ET and a thrice-weekly frequency. If they did, they would need to open at 04:30 (at least two hours before departure).
 
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Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:05 pm

I don't see any problems with the times, over 20,000 pax fly out at that time of the morning. The 23.30 departure coming back isn't an issue either considering the last US departures to DUB are at 22.30 currently.

USPC will happen in time, couple of factors to be sorted out, if it was clearing the departure time wouldn't be until 07.39 or 09.00 which would bring it into line with US carriers.
 
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Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:12 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 25):
I'm not so sure it's really that bad...
Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 33):
I don't see any problems with the times, over 20,000 pax fly out at that time of the morning.

Not transatlantic...the first departures are around 30-60 min later, and out of LHR.
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Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:17 pm

The timing exDUB also remove any chance of connections from & to around Europe.
 
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Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:19 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 34):

And the point is what exactly, people who fly transatlantic are immune form early morning flights. Not trying to be smart about it but just because a flight is an hour earlier than usual transatlantic isn't going to stop passengers from flying with the airline. Its about price and if ET are good with it then they will get the business. Its only an hour earlier than regular scheduled T/A flights ex DUB previously.
 
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Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:23 pm

Quoting Callbell (Reply 35):
The timing exDUB also remove any chance of connections from & to around Europe.

Fair point but it would have to operate before 09.00 or after 13.00. Given its not direct from DUB one would assume there is a good market from ADD and there is only 270 seats to fill I can't see a need for a feed. Many of the US carriers don't feed ex DUB and they do well.
 
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Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:44 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 34):
Not transatlantic...the first departures are around 30-60 min later, and out of LHR.

A large amount of BA /EI ex DUB connectors into LHR and headed for the USA on the first two flights of the morning . So for me I don't see the difference between taking a 0640 DUB-LHR then another flight compared to 0630 from DUB non stop. Actually I do see the difference and ET is far more attractive. Im sure the fares will be too especially in J.

The BA connection is here :





If the price is right people will get up for a 0630 flight as traffic stats have taught us here on this Island for the last number of decades.
 
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Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:54 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 23):

A 6am dearture is hardly great. Its a disaster.
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:57 pm

0630 for Atlantic flight is not attractive. As one can see majority if such flights are around noon time. I certainly would not rise at 3 or 4 to catch such flights.

But I don't think ET can do much better as times are based on its ADD hub flow. Look at IAD flight when it pass middle of night at Rome.
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Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:05 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 40):
0630 for Atlantic flight is not attractive. As one can see majority if such flights are around noon time. I certainly would not rise at 3 or 4 to catch such flights.

Well from the Irish market that part of this flight goes through that doesn't apply for the reasons stated above ! If you ever travel through DUB and are in the check in area between 0400 and 0600 that I have done numerous times over the last few decades then you will see just how many are willing to check in at the EI and (BD) now BA desks for TATL via LHR. So I don't see why all those people would object to a non stop 0630 from DUB? Im sure the majority do not enjoy the extra flight unless you are an Anetter  

The only thing I can see being an issue is that some Joe public might be put off by the fact its not a well known airline to the average non clued up flyer on their once or twice a year holiday to the USA.
 
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Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:10 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 39):
A 6am dearture is hardly great. Its a disaster.

   The whole flight is a disaster. I love ET but this is disappointing.

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 36):
And the point is what exactly, people who fly transatlantic are immune form early morning flights.
Quoting OA260 (Reply 38):
A large amount of BA /EI ex DUB connectors into LHR and headed for the USA on the first two flights of the morning .

The transatlantic piece is still later, and there's a reason for that. Sure *someone* is going to take a 630 DUBLAX flight. *Someone* is going to take an FR connection from XYZ the night before, sleep in the airport, and connect to the ET flight. It doesn't mean either is traffic worth having.
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:44 pm

To put some perspective on the departure timing (DUB-LAX):

- The first transatlantic departure of the day from DUB at present is WS17 to YYT at 08:20
- The first USA departure of the day from DUB to the USA is AA291 to JFK and AUS at 08:55
- For a small part of the winter season 2013/14, the first flight was DL177 to ATL at 07:40

[Edited 2014-10-16 15:58:05]
 
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:45 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 42):
It doesn't mean either is traffic worth having.

Yet BA thinks it is and makes a profit off it and on routes that have numerous direct flights such as JFK/EWR where they under cut EI economy class rates . If ET does things right and markets it properly via their GSA here in Ireland ( which btw are very good at what they do ) then for the number of seats that need filling on this sector then Im sure it will prove good for them. Only time will tell but it is far from a disaster. This will also attract passengers from Northern Ireland too where they run a 24 hour Express bus which is packed at all hours for people with flights from DUB at 6am. I use it on a regular basis and they have no issues with getting up early. The USA is the 2nd most popular destination for passengers travelling from Northern Ireland and flying from Dublin airport. They are travelling 100 Miles to do this in their thousands so as you can see its a very different market and may not seem possible but thats the reality on the ground and a lot of ''someones'' who get up at crazy times to get 6am flights where there is an airport a lot closer to them i.e.: BHD with BA flights to LHR.
 
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:47 am

You guys are delirious if you consider a 0630am departure westbound as a suitable time transatlantic flying. In 40 odd years of flying I don't think I've had such a flight earlier than 10am, and as we all know the bulk of such Atlantic flights are around noon time.

At the end however ET obviously built a schedule suits it to carry people between ADD and LAX. They can discount deeply enough to fill the DUB-LAX segments. Suppose good for those that are willing put up with those times.
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:17 am

Honestly that is not going to attrack people from ni. I nearly had a nervous breakdown this summer leaving at 4am for a 1pm flight due to the disaster rules for immigration down there.
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:27 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 45):
You guys are delirious if you consider a 0630am departure westbound as a suitable time transatlantic flying. In 40 odd years of flying I don't think I've had such a flight earlier than 10am, and as we all know the bulk of such Atlantic flights are around noon time.

So just because the bulk of TATL flights leave "around noon" nothing else should ever be attempted? Everything else is ludicrous?

We local Irish anetters have told you the reasons that it is not an issue for us, (and indeed, all of us seem to be agreed) and we are the local traffic! If you dont want to take what we say on board.........

Quoting frostyj (Reply 46):
Honestly that is not going to attrack people from ni.

7% of DUB's pax are NI originating, but there is certainly no need to leave at 4am for a 1pm flight, and there's no disaster area for Immigration now either, with the facility having been significantly expanded. I never turn up more than 2 hours prior, and usually less, and it's never been an issue. Besides, this flight wont even be using the US immigration facility - apparently, it's going from Terminal 1, so you'll be clearing immigration in the US.
 
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:46 am

You Irish must be early risers.
But it will also take people from LAX to support to route.
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RE: Ethiopian To Fly ADD-DUB-LAX From June 2015

Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:01 am

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 48):
You Irish must be early risers.
But it will also take people from LAX to support to route.

We are when it comes to flights - because of the nature of Aer Lingus and Ryanair's operations from DUB, all their based aircraft are battling to get flying and productive as early as possible. Hence the period from 0600 - 0800 is Dublin's busiest time of day, with their entire based fleets departing.

There is also the fact that Ireland is one hour behind central European time (CET), so in order to arrive in Central Europe in time for the start of the business day, an early departure from Dublin is essential.

Regarding LAX passengers, they have a late departure from LAX, so will the return really put them off? I'm suspecting that ET may also have a fare advantage, so providing the price is right, perhaps it wont be a problem.

If it does turn out to be an issue, then the time of this departure from DUB can obviously be changed (with that long LAX layover), and im sure ET will adjust after the first season if necessary.

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