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Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:25 pm

Here is the previous discussion:

Irish 10/14: The Final Quarter (by kaitak Oct 2 2014 in Civil Aviation)

To continue please post here.

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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:39 pm

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"A segregated priority bus corridor (not a bus lane) with platforms like the LUAS is the cheapest and best solution in the circumstances."
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But that's my whole point, it's not going to be that. There is nothing segregated about it at all, it still will run in bus lanes shared with other modes and is still going to be kerbside running like today.

A proper BRT should get segregated, center running, priority . and all other modes relegated to run at the side of the road.

What we are getting is some fancy looking buses running on slightly modified existing infrastructure.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:07 pm

Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
You could be like me and wedded to both Widens the options of carriers and products

I don't travel quite enough to get status on two alliances  
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:23 pm

Further to something in the old thread about the ET pricing. Just booked 2 trips to USA in Business, one for June to SFO with LH for €1240 and one to NYC with UA & LX for €1070. Ridiculously cheap flights. An error???
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:29 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 3):
Further to something in the old thread about the ET pricing. Just booked 2 trips to USA in Business, one for June to SFO with LH for €1240 and one to NYC with UA & LX for €1070. Ridiculously cheap flights. An error???

Where did you find those?
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:37 pm

Quoting teahan (Reply 4):

They are bookable on the Lufthansa and United websites. You'll need to mess about with dates but availability in June and early july
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:40 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 3):
Further to something in the old thread about the ET pricing. Just booked 2 trips to USA in Business, one for June to SFO with LH for €1240 and one to NYC with UA & LX for €1070. Ridiculously cheap flights. An error???

Good pricing , BA have some similar ones recently. Just need to shop around and keep an eye on the bargains. Also for those that are members of some FF clubs there are some amazing miles+cash J class offers to be had. Low miles+ EUR400 gets a oneway J class TATL.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:57 am

WX turn up the heat on LCY route .

CityJet beefs up London City to Dublin route

CityJet has announced a 25pc expansion of its London City to Dublin route and, starting this week, will operate up to nine flights every weekday.

The airline said it will also start operating the earliest flight out of London City Airport with a 06:45 departure.

http://businessandleadership.com/bus...tem/48130-cityjet-beefs-up-london/
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:00 pm

Regarding the DUB-LCY-DUB route

The route has gone from 5 or so a day last week and one airline to 17 a day between 3 competing carriers!!!
Is there not an insane degree of competition on this route now?
Who is going to fail?

BA pulled out before by now city jet seem the weak link however Flybe are using the slower equipment!!!!

Oh well, at least the fares should be cheap!
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:52 pm

Ryanair have lost their appeal in the Court case regarding operations at Marseille Airport.
A previous lower court decision proposed a fine of €8.1 million for breaching employment laws in France.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:50 pm

Anyone know for whom EI Have operated two DUB-KEF charters in recent days?
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:54 pm

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 10):
Anyone know for whom EI Have operated two DUB-KEF charters in recent days?

Could be WTG they always do trips around the Oct Bank Holiday and other periods.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:32 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 11):

I know there's been a lot of talk on here of late about KEF. When do U2 start and end their flights from Belfast? And WOW air from DUB?
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:56 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 12):

December and June.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:59 pm

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 13):

Cheers thanks. I'm gonna throw this out there. I reckon one of the new EI long haul routes, will be EWR....
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:07 am

CityJet have sold VLM to its management team

CityJet’s parent company has sold VLM, the regional carrier bought by the Irish airline eight years ago, to its management who want to re-establish the business as an independent operator.
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:37 am

Quoting EIRules (Reply 14):
I'm gonna throw this out there. I reckon one of the new EI long haul routes, will be EWR....

I've always thought EWR would be a strong contender to return to EI's network. An early afternoon DUB-EWR 757 flight would compliment the two JFK services, as well as UA's morning EWR flight. I also wouldn't be rushing to rule out PHL (unlikely EI would launch both EWR and PHL though).
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:15 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 16):

DUB - EWR on EI.com is only bookable until January (via BOS). Seems odd that you can't book beyond that date....
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:16 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 12):

I heard that the Belfast route will be year round.
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:17 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 14):

Thats fine but don't you think this would have an impact on United Airlines? Surely they would have researched this and seen that there is no market.
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:19 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 16):

Well United airlines have already done that. I flew to EWR with them at 1pm this summer and it was a great time. Its already been done.

If there is room perhaps Aer Lingus could do one at 5pm.
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:42 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 20):
If there is room perhaps Aer Lingus could do one at 5pm.

I think there would be issues around preclearance if EI were to schedule a flight at this time. As far as I'm aware it closes at 16:00 or thereabouts.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:52 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 17):

Wouldn't take much notice of that because many different US destinations are only bookable for certain periods.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:34 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 15):
CityJet have sold VLM to its management team

Indeed and getting Russian SSJ'S !

Quoting EIRules (Reply 17):
DUB - EWR on EI.com is only bookable until January (via BOS). Seems odd that you can't book beyond that date....


That does not really mean anything. Its just the way EI work. Some route loaded and some not.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:11 pm

Bad news for the residents of Derry/Londonderry !!

City of Derry airport: Ryanair flight to Birmingham axed

The low cost airline, Ryanair, is axing its Londonderry to Birmingham route according to City of Derry airport.
They said the decision to end the service was taken after the airline reviewed its winter network.
City of Derry airport said it was "disappointing" news for the airport and passengers. The service will officially end on 20 November.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-29798673


So I guess its a choice of train/bus to the big smoke of BFS/BHD or the bus down to DUB !


http://www.buseireann.ie/pdf/1411138691-033.pdf
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:50 am

Anyone have experience with how strict Aer Lingus Regional are with hand luggage these days.

Can I arrive with an extra personal item? If my hand luggage is too large (a trolley for example), will it be gate checked or will I have to pay for a piece of checked luggage?
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:32 am

Just from the last thread...

EIDL:

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That chart there seems to be suggesting the 319s won't have their leases renewed and will be replaced with 320s - considering they always staffed them with 4 cabin crew I can only assume they're not working out cheaper enough to justify?


There were only 3 cabin crew on my LHR-SNN flight on Tuesday, one looking after everyone in the first 10 rows and two of at the back for the rest of the cabin. The safety demo was a recording, first time I've seen this on Aer Lingus mainline.

Quoting teahan (Reply 25):
Anyone have experience with how strict Aer Lingus Regional are with hand luggage these days.

Can I arrive with an extra personal item? If my hand luggage is too large (a trolley for example), will it be gate checked or will I have to pay for a piece of checked luggage?

The overhead lockers are tiny on those ATRs, I only ever have a small backpack as carry on so haven't personally had my bags checked at the gate but I have seen plenty of people get stopped and asked to check them in, especially if they have another personal item but the gate staff never appear to charge them.

On a related note my past three Aer Lingus flights from Heathrow have had carry on bags checked in for free, the first was at the gate and the staff were very apologetic but said the flight was busy and space was limited, the past two times I actually offered to check it in myself at the desk and asked whether or not I had to pay for it but the staff said it was free and offered emergency exit seats for the inconvenience. Nice!

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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:37 am

Quoting teahan (Reply 25):
Can I arrive with an extra personal item? If my hand luggage is too large (a trolley for example), will it be gate checked or will I have to pay for a piece of checked luggage?

I don't think they are that strict at all. I flew from DUB to JER last Saturday and I was quite naughty, in that the dimensions of my bag were bigger than allowed and the bag was heavier; I also bought a few things in the airport shops - no problem at all from boarding or cabin crew.

If there had been, I think they would just have checked my bag in free of charge.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:58 am

Quoting teahan (Reply 25):
Anyone have experience with how strict Aer Lingus Regional are with hand luggage these days.

When I did my SEN-DUB they were actively asking people at check in if they wanted to check their carry on FOC. They were also weighing those that didn't want to check it. To be honest in all my years of flying both on EIR/EI it just depends who you get at check in and the gate.

But if you get someone having a bad day the only way to ensure you are in the right is to stick to this :


Max weight 7kg (15lb)
Max size of 48cm H (18.5") x 33cm W (13") x 20cm D (8")
Please ensure your cabin baggage is within the specified allowance. Bags outside of this allowance must be checked-in and the relevant bag fee will apply.

http://www.aerlingus.com/travelinfor...n/baggageinformation/cabinbaggage/
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:47 pm

My last 2 EI flights i was asked if i wanted to check in cabin baggage free of charge.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:18 pm

Quoting teahan (Reply 25):
Anyone have experience with how strict Aer Lingus Regional are with hand luggage these days.

I flew KIR-DUB-KIR last week and at both sides the agent wasn't even looking at hand baggage. One or two people had bags that wouldn't fit in the overhead lockers and the cabin manager asked the passengers if she could store them securely in the crew rest at the back.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:15 pm

Quoting teahan (Reply 25):

I agree with all the other guys. I've often flown BRS-ORK-BRS and BRS-SNN-BRS and I've never had any problems. I've often gone on board with two pieces of carry on and an umbrella.

The EIR crew are pretty amazing, reasonable and flexible. I think they understand that the lockers are tiny,and are happy to put them in the "checked in luggage" section free of charge. They also want to prevent delays. They are a breath of fresh air compared to some of the "nightclub bouncers", you can come across with another certain airline.  

Anytime I travel with EIR, I always bring a "squish-able" bag. The rectangular bags on wheels can/will pose you problems both in the overhead lockers and under the seat in front of you.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:58 pm

Complete idiots !

Passenger arrested for writing Ebola on an Aer Lingus coffee cup
There was a security alert at Dublin Airport today following an incident on an Aer Lingus flight from Milan.
It is understood that a passenger on the plane claimed he had Ebola after writing it on a coffee cup.
Two female passengers aged 51 and 23 and a male passenger aged 56 were arrested and are currently being dealt with under the Air Navigation and Transport Act at Ballymun Garda Station.

http://www.thejournal.ie/security-al...8-Oct2014/?utm_source=twitter_self
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:50 am

Ryanair has lifted its profit forecast for the financial year to between €750m and €770m from its original guidance of €650m.

In its first half results published this morning, Ryanair said its net profits were up by over a third to €795m compared to €602m the same time last year.

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2014/1103/656476-ryanair-results/
 
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Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:52 am

A long seasonal delay waiting for an incoming post!


MOL strong not only on the Ryanair results this morning on Radio 4 but also very positive on the benefits of future EU membership for the UK.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:58 am

Quoting EIRules (Reply 14):
I'm gonna throw this out there. I reckon one of the new EI long haul routes, will be EWR....
Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 16):

I'm going to change my prediction on Wednesday's route announcement to DUB-MIA. I can feel it in my waters...

Would also be nice if they got another 757 for SNN (or transfer the DUB-based one and upgauge DUB-YYZ to A330). This would be my proposed schedule:
10x weekly SNN-BOS (Shannon Group is convinced more capacity needed on this route in summer)
6x weekly SNN-JFK
2x weekly SNN-MCO (seasonal June-August)
3x weekly SNN-YYZ (seasonal)
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:39 pm

Aer Lingus has adopted a steady and yet predictable policy of expansion in recent years... If a route at first fails, try and try again... I would expect nothing remarkable in terms of new routes announced...

There has been much talk and discussion on this forum and elsewhere regarding the launch of the new Aer Lingus Business Class product. Recently I posted about just how despicable and filthy the Business Class and Economy cabins are becoming on the Aer Lingus A330 aircraft.

I believe the state and filth of the aircraft now requires publication. At a time when we see a persistent marketing campaign regarding the finesse and finer points of the new product; what damn difference will it make when there is apparently zero interest in or respect for maintaining the on-board condition of the aircraft.

Of particular note is EI-DUZ. I travelled on this aircraft in July and again in August. On both occasions; there was notable staining on the ceiling mid Business Class cabin and the power points at several Business Class seats were broken/inoperable. At the time; this was apparently passed on to maintenance for fixing.

THREE MONTHS LATER (last week) I once again had the ''pleasure'' of EI-DUZ. The picture evidence below tells most of the story; however it is important to point out that the power points REMAIN broken/inoperable and the ceiling remains stained in exactly the same location. The areas down behind the Business Class seats and under the armrest covers are destroyed in dirt, dust and general filth.

EI-DUZ: Lavatory Door near the forward Economy Galley:

Bearing in mind this picture was taken ON BOARDING and after the aircraft had been cleaned:



EI-DUZ: Business Class Seat:

Showing the extent of residual dirt in the cabin and near the seats:



EI-DUZ: Business Class Cabin:

Showing the extent of dirt in the cabin:



Is this the ever deteriorating standard that we can expect to continue with the rollout of the new hard product? Is this the standard for which Aer Lingus now charges up to a 30% premium relative to competitors and other (superior) options through European hubs such as LHR and FRA?

The pictures above and my experience on-board throughout 2014 are far removed from and anything but a superior, fine-dining on-board experience. The SAME content is on the IFE system since 2009... The SAME menus are recycled in Business Class quarter on quarter. The Y product is now outrageously over-priced relative to the product offering.. Up to and beyond EUR 1,000 return now on ORD/SFO sectors (round-trip).

Even the availability of Upgrades and ability to use Gold Circle points is now generally becoming impossible.

What we are seeing for the loyal customer is a return to the Aer Lingus of circa the 2006 period; with an inferior, over-priced product in both classes on Long Haul. Many of the great improvements in service quality made around 2010/2011 now all seem to have dissipated. Which begs the question - what improvements will the addition of a new hard product really make in the longer term?

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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:59 am

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 36):

The Y product is now outrageously over-priced relative to the product offering.. Up to and beyond EUR 1,000 return now on ORD/SFO sectors (round-trip).

Even the availability of Upgrades and ability to use Gold Circle points is now generally becoming impossible.

It sounds like EI are now able to sell their tickets rather than discount them or give them away for miles.
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:06 am

Looks like the decision for Dublin from the Northern Capital was passed over yet for another year.

There is one more opportunity for this to occur this year - with a planned ministerial visit in December.
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Nov 04, 2014 9:05 am

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 36):

I have always found EI to be more expensive to America versus the competition whether that's via LHR or direct with say UA or DL. That in itself would be a concern that they are competitively behind, but there is no excuse for dirt and filth. To me it's down to EI sweating the assets too thin and there not being enough flexibility in the schedule for a deep clean every so often. No real excuse though
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Tue Nov 04, 2014 9:26 am

Thats what I found. Quite a bit more expensive.
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:16 am

SAS announce a twice weekly Gothenburg service from Dublin.

– Gothenburg-Dublin: Departure on Saturday, and on Wednesday and Sunday in the summer peak season. First departure April 04.

http://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-launches-nine-new-routes-2015/
 
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Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:03 am

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 36):
The Y product is now outrageously over-priced relative to the product offering.. Up to and beyond EUR 1,000 return now on ORD/SFO sectors (round-trip).

There is no doubt Aer Lingus have always been more expensive over the last two decades I have been using them. You get the odd USA sale fare which brings it in line with some other direct competition or indeed BA/VS via LHR or AF/LH via CDG-FRA. This is also apparent not only on TATL but many key European routes too. We need more competition and I would like to see an airline such as DY come into DUB and create a base. DY longhaul on JFK and FLL would really shake up the market as would bucket and spade routes down to the Canaries and mainland Spain.

Just another reason why its important ET are coming onto the LAX route and not being operated by EI.

On that note the paper work has been signed in ADD.


An agreement signed on behalf of the Irish and Ethiopian governments yesterday has cleared the way for the first scheduled flights to take place between Ireland and the African continent. The transport agreement will facilitate direct flights by Ethiopian Airlines from Addis Ababa to Los Angeles, with a stopover in Dublin.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irela...ct-dubin-and-addis-ababa-1.1986752

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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:04 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 39):
I have always found EI to be more expensive to America versus the competition whether that's via LHR or direct with say UA or DL. That in itself would be a concern that they are competitively behind, but there is no excuse for dirt and filth. To me it's down to EI sweating the assets too thin and there not being enough flexibility in the schedule for a deep clean every so often. No real excuse though

What you experienced is inexcusable, but I hope you have communicated it to EI as well, not just here. They need to know and do something about it. I mean, it's not as if the aircraft you flew on are old; I can remember us discussing the introduction of both of these acft to EI's fleet; it seems like quite recently.

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 41):
SAS announce a twice weekly Gothenburg service from Dublin.– Gothenburg-Dublin: Departure on Saturday, and on Wednesday and Sunday in the summer peak season. First departure April 04.

I also hear that Vueling will be flying to BCN next Summer

Quoting OA260 (Reply 42):

I'd welcome that too; there is clearly demand, which EI doesn't seem able (or willing) to meet. This is why it surprised me that EI pushed the delivery of A350s out to 2018; given their growth over the past 2-3 years and the success of hub operations at DUB, you'd think they'd be pushing for extra capacity.

DY would certainly shake things up, as would further fifth freedom rights.

On another matter, the A330Neo seems not to be getting much traction. I don't know if EI has concluded its examination of the aircraft, but I wouldn't be at all disappointed if the Neo came to nowt!

One final question: in recent weeks, I keep seeing this 777-266ER flying over Ireland, but without any airline identifier; I know it's not MS (even though it's an ex-MS aircraft), but I'm wondering if it could be Biman, because they took some of the ex-MS aircraft. Would anyone know for certain?
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:18 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 42):
ou get the odd USA sale fare which brings it in line with some other direct competition or indeed BA/VS via LHR or AF/LH via CDG-FRA.

Direct longhaul is always more expensive than a via fare.

Quoting EIRules (Reply 39):
at in itself would be a concern that they are competitively behind, but there is no excuse for dirt and filth. To me it's down to EI sweating the assets too thin and there not being enough flexibility in the schedule for a deep clean every so often. No real excuse though

Sweating assets too thinly is never good news over long periods of time, but most probably they did this improve utilisation. This is not just EI doing this - I was on some quite dirty KLM 747s of late - and it was the same issue - just didn't feel clean at all.

Oh, and half the power plugs on Air France in J never work - it's not always a problem with the plug per say, but with the voltage.

Flying CX is a pleasure in comparison. A plug at every seat that works!
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:24 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 43):
I also hear that Vueling will be flying to BCN next Summer

Yes, 5 weekly to DUB and 2 weekly to BHD from next summer! Very welcome news for Belfast City in particular.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 43):
I mean, it's not as if the aircraft you flew on are old; I can remember us discussing the introduction of both of these acft to EI's fleet; it seems like quite recently.
Quoting kaitak (Reply 43):
This is why it surprised me that EI pushed the delivery of A350s out to 2018; given their growth over the past 2-3 years and the success of hub operations at DUB, you'd think they'd be pushing for extra capacity.

Hard to believe but EI-DUZ was delivered over 7 years ago now, it was ordered in 2006 along with EI-DUO and both were delivered in the summer of 2007, around the time Aer Lingus made the original A350 order which consisted of 6 A333s and 6 A350s with deliveries for the A333 starting in 2009.

The long haul order has been a confusing one to keep track of over the past few years but this is what I can find.

The first of the new A330s did indeed arrive in 2009, EI-EAV arrived in February followed by EI-EDY in June. At this time Aer Lingus was in very poor shape, it needed to reduce costs and stabilise the long haul fleet so they renegotiated deliveries with Airbus, one more A330 from the 2007 order would be delivered in April 2010 (EI-ELA) and the rest between 2013 and 2015 with all the A350s delivered between H1 2015 and H1 2016. Looking back now it's clear that was never going to happen.

By 2011 Aer Lingus had recovered somewhat but wasn't exactly in the position to grow, a lot of work was ahead for the long haul business to recover and the 3 remaining A330s were converted to A350s with deliveries no sooner than 2018. The original 6 A350s were still due between 2015 and 2016 but Aer Lingus had hinted even 2011 that the current fleet was more than they required and were looking to sell an A330.

Sometime between 2012 and 2014 Aer Lingus pushed all the A350 deliveries to 2018 and beyond, 3 are now due in 2018 followed by 3 in 2019 and the final 3 in 2020. In the meantime Aer Lingus have added 3 757s under the Air Contractors agreement and will see an additional A330 join their own fleet in 2015 with yet another 757 or long haul narrowbody aircraft arriving 2016.

This information is from their September presentation and I think it's likely to represent the absolute minimum number of aircraft in the fleet, my guess is that there could be more aircraft leased sometime between now and 2017 before the A350 arrives.

Original 2007 order: http://corporate.aerlingus.com/media...ressreleases07/title,11241,en.html

Original 2009 deferral: http://corporate.aerlingus.com/inves...Lingus_LongHaul_Fleet_4Aug2009.pdf

The 2011 conversion: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...waps-three-a330s-for-a350s-353708/

Current fleet plan: http://corporate.aerlingus.com/inves...september_analyst_presentation.pdf

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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:26 pm

Vueling which begin BCN-DUB next month on selected dates make a longer return between 1 June and 31 August with a 5 weekly service.

They are also flying twice weekly BHD-BCN from May.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:26 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 43):
DY would certainly shake things up, as would further fifth freedom rights.

For sure some of their fares really blow FR out of the water ( not that they are that cheap anymore either ) .

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 44):
Direct longhaul is always more expensive than a via fare.

Actually its not . Don't be fooled by general ideas that its always the case. I have come upon numerous instances over the years where direct is cheaper. You may have seasonal effects and sales that move the balance either way but it is most certainly not always.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:33 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 43):

One final question: in recent weeks, I keep seeing this 777-266ER flying over Ireland, but without any airline identifier; I know it's not MS (even though it's an ex-MS aircraft), but I'm wondering if it could be Biman, because they took some of the ex-MS aircraft. Would anyone know for certain?

Maybe it's a certain MH aircraft?
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:45 pm

The BHD-BCN is a welcome addition. BHD have been trying to get it for a while. Aer Lingus of course started it from BFS but failed terribly with a load factor of just 44%.

Im hoping Vueling can make a success of it from BHD and expand it. Of course it will appeal to quite a lot of markets. The cruise market being a major gateway Barcelona Port departures with the likes of MSC,RCI,NCL likely to use the flights.


Vueling launches Belfast City to Barcelona air route

The low-cost Spanish airline Vueling is to operate in Northern Ireland for the first time, with a service between Barcelona and George Best Belfast City Airport.
It will begin next May and operate twice a week.
Vueling is part of International Airlines Group (IAG), which owns British Airways.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-29896818

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