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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:57 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 43):
I also hear that Vueling will be flying to BCN next Summer

Great to see Vueling starting DUB, but i wonder if FR will do a "GO" on them and try and run them out their home turf.

It's a pity they aren't starting AGP because there is a real duopoly going on between EI and FR with some really expensive fares compared to other comparable destinations.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:53 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 50):
Great to see Vueling starting DUB

Is it to BHD or DUB or both? Mixed information is a little confusing  
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:16 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 51):
Is it to BHD or DUB or both? Mixed information is a little confusing

It is actually both; my mistake.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Tue Nov 04, 2014 9:06 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 43):
One final question: in recent weeks, I keep seeing this 777-266ER flying over Ireland, but without any airline identifier; I know it's not MS (even though it's an ex-MS aircraft), but I'm wondering if it could be Biman, because they took some of the ex-MS aircraft. Would anyone know for certain?

Not sure if this helps but I was on a train in Clapham last Saturday, looked up and saw what I thought was a Biman underbelly on a 772 on the approach to LHR. Didn't think they had any so believed it to be Kenya Airways as it looks similar in shadow from below. Turns out it was Biman and one of the ex MS aircraft so you could be right.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:41 am

Aer Lingus announced today they are going back to IAD from May 2015.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:15 am

Quoting PenPusher (Reply 54):

Aer Lingus announced today they are going back to IAD from May 2015.

Announced or are going to announce?

I can't imagine 7am press conferences being too popular with the Irish.
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:23 am

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2014/1105/656997-aer-lingus/

Came out with the quarterly results released at 7am
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:30 am

Quoting PenPusher (Reply 54):

No real surprise of course ! The JFK-DUB leaving at 12:00 and into DUB at 23:40 is great!

[Edited 2014-11-05 00:50:52]
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:18 am

The most important question of all here is - will the 767 be in the EI livery?   
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:20 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 57):
The JFK-DUB leaving at 12:00 and into DUB at 23:40 is great!

Didn't see that coming! I think I would much prefer this timing to help with Jet lag and not having a write-off of a day.
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:25 am

Bit disappointed to be honest. As I've previously said I don't think there is enough traffic on the IAD route for both EI and UA. And with today's announcement, EI have left United with the advantage of daily flights(certainly during the summer months) to attract more business customers. This, coupled with EI being unable to bid for American govt contracts versus UA who can, signals trouble for me. Perhaps they should have went daily or even 6 weekly with a 757? Or better still, go somewhere there is no competition. I can't see UA being too impressed here!!
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:25 am

What's the idea of the EI102 timings? Outbound is a little to early especially for any connecting traffic, and returning to DUB that late? I can't see it doing very well!
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:05 am

SNN-BOS being upgraded to a 767 - great to see widebody service back again. I know SNN has been campaigning for a capacity increase on this route during peak season. 210 seats is not too far from the seat capacity of the A332...

Quoting EIRules (Reply 60):
Bit disappointed to be honest. As I've previously said I don't think there is enough traffic on the IAD route for both EI and UA

This is very interesting as IAD was the poorest performer of the three longhaul routes dropped in 2009. Obviously times have changed now and EI is in a much better position financially etc. but still surprising given the competition with UA.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:10 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 57):
The JFK-DUB leaving at 12:00 and into DUB at 23:40 is great
Quoting EIDL (Reply 58):
The most important question of all here is - will the 767 be in the EI livery?

Early DUB-JFK will be for 12 weeks while the B767 operates ex SNN.

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 61):
What's the idea of the EI102 timings?

It offers further options for pax. Irish based pax can use the early flight out and get the 2340 arrival into DUB for the return. This in turn frees up more seats on the A330 for conecting pax.

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 115):
So the transatlantic expansions appears to look a bit like this;

DUB-IAD operated by A330-200 4x weekly.
DUB-JFK additional daily flight operated by 757.
DUB-YYZ 4 of 7 weekly flights upgauged to A330-200.
DUB-SFO daily A330-200 service.
DUB-MCO 4x weekly A330.
DUB-BOS 2x daily A330.
DUB-ORD 11x weekly A330 service.

SNN-BOS daily upgauged to Boeing 767 for 12 week peak summer period.
SNN-JFK 6 weekly 757 service.

Posted elsewhere that the DUB-YYZ is being upguaged to a A332 several times a week, I can't see that in the EI publication?
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:14 am

Where is the 767 coming from? Assuming it won't be operated by EI themselves who will operate it? Air Contractors? Will they bother to paint it in an EI scheme for 3 months?
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:24 am

Quoting cipango (Reply 59):
Didn't see that coming! I think I would much prefer this timing to help with Jet lag and not having a write-off of a day.

Hopefully it will do well and they will run it past the peak period i.e.: after 29/8. I would rather take a day flight too.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:30 am

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 61):
What's the idea of the EI102 timings? Outbound is a little to early especially for any connecting traffic, and returning to DUB that late? I can't see it doing very well!

A few reasons why it might do well:
-Possibility of connection from East coast United States to Ireland.
-When you land you can finally check in to your Dublin hotel, rather than wandering around Dublin from 7am-3pm waiting for check in time.
-Business opportunities as it lands mid-morning and not mid-afternoon.
-Connection possibilities with JetBlue from JFK onwards.
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:55 am

Quoting EIRules (Reply 64):
Air Contractors? Will they bother to paint it in an EI scheme for 3 months?

I think it will be Air Contractors. They will presumably have a joint type rating for both types.

As to livery, I'd be surprised and disappointed if it were not in EI colours, particularly given how brand conscious EI now is - a very valuable Mueller legacy, which I hope they don't drop when he goes And bear in mind that both the MD11 and the Tristar (albeit only once) was in full EI c/s when leased for the Summer.

I wish EI all the best with their new route; hopefully their growth will continue next year and they can go to somewhere a little more interesting.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:12 am

A new ad for the route on their website.

http://www.aerlingus.com/washington/
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:16 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 67):
As to livery, I'd be surprised and disappointed if it were not in EI colours, particularly given how brand conscious EI now is - a very valuable Mueller legacy

It's a pity he doesn't seem to understand the impact on the brand which comes from the old-style J class and complete lack of WIFI on the 757s - which has a much bigger impact on customers than the paint outside their plane has...and one would assume the same applies for this new 767 also.

Wonder if the 767 will have winglets !
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:30 am

Quoting 321neo (Reply 69):

Think that's a little harsh! I think he fully understands that the business cabin isn't what it needs to be and that's why they announced a new seat and cabin for next year. These things take time. He's only at the airline a few years and it's not like he can just walk in, scrap the old cabin and spend millions on a new one. I think it's a little disappointing that they won't have the same cabin on the 757 but I don't only put this down to him, as much down to the poor fleet planning from EI dating back a number of years
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:35 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 44):
One final question: in recent weeks, I keep seeing this 777-266ER flying over Ireland, but without any airline identifier; I know it's not MS (even though it's an ex-MS aircraft), but I'm wondering if it could be Biman, because they took some of the ex-MS aircraft. Would anyone know for certain?

You are seeing one of the Omni Air 777s (which are ex-United, I think. The -266ER label is incorrect). I'm not sure why they are devoid of the normal ID on FR24 but it may be because Omni's flights are predominantly for the US military. If you physically eyeball the aircraft you will see the Omni livery.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 67):
As to livery, I'd be surprised and disappointed if it were not in EI colours, particularly given how brand conscious EI now is - a very valuable Mueller legacy, which I hope they don't drop when he goes And bear in mind that both the MD11 and the Tristar (albeit only once) was in full EI c/s when leased for the Summer.

But in summer 2013 an A320 (EI-FCC) was leased in as backup capacity and was left white with EI titles and shamrock.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:53 am

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 36):
Is this the ever deteriorating standard that we can expect to continue with the rollout of the new hard product? Is this the standard for which Aer Lingus now charges up to a 30% premium relative to competitors and other (superior) options through European hubs such as LHR and FRA?

I think you are being a bit harsh, the condition of the cabin isn't 100%, but its not atrocious. It's mainly dust and in need of a deep clean, rather than food residue or mess from the last passenger. To me, its a reflection that we are coming to the end of the busy summer season with high utilisation and little down time. In any case the fleet will be cycling through heavy maintenance and the A330s will all get a brand-new business class cabin. If you do travel via LHR you are equally likely to find grubby cabins, unless you are flying on BA's A380, 77W or 787. The 787, however, is particularly unpleasant in Y. I've recently flown on an assortment of short-haul BA aircraft and the unrefurbished A319s are pretty grubby, indeed EI's -CVx series are infer better condition internally than the majority of the short-haul BA fleet.
I agree that it doesn't look great, but a the end of the day a bit of dust between wall panels is not going to kill anyone.

Quoting 321neo (Reply 69):
It's a pity he doesn't seem to understand the impact on the brand which comes from the old-style J class and complete lack of WIFI on the 757s - which has a much bigger impact on customers than the paint outside their plane has...and one would assume the same applies for this new 767 also.

Sure, its not 180 degree lie-flat, but it is lie-flat and there is AVOD, for short sectors from SNN to North America and DUB to YYZ, I really don't see the issue. There is barely time to lie-flat on an overnight service on these services. It is perfectly adequate. The lack of Wi-Fi is something that should be addressed, but the 757 fleet is a temporary situation while EI waits for suitable new-build aircraft such as the A321NEO-LR and the A350 to come on-stream. the irony is that if they had not converted the A330s into A350s they would be arriving around now. I can't help but wonder if a proportion of the A350s will be converted back into A330NEO, which seem like a perfect aircraft for EI's East Cost operations.

Quoting Irish251 (Reply 71):
But in summer 2013 an A320 (EI-FCC) was leased in as backup capacity and was left white with EI titles and shamrock.

Indeed it was. It became #SocialJet, as I remember. If they leave it in less than full livery, something like #SocialJet is not a bad way to camouflage it.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:57 am

Quoting Irish251 (Reply 71):
But in summer 2013 an A320 (EI-FCC) was leased in as backup capacity and was left white with EI titles and shamrock.

Wasn't that the #socialjet one? I think they'll probably do something similar with the 767 - albino scheme with the shamrock on the tailfin and EI titles on the side.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:05 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 70):
Think that's a little harsh! I think he fully understands that the business cabin isn't what it needs to be and that's why they announced a new seat and cabin for next year. These things take time. He's only at the airline a few years and it's not like he can just walk in, scrap the old cabin and spend millions on a new one.

Apologies if what I said wasn't clear, but when I said ''old-style J class and complete lack of WIFI on the 757s'' I was referring to the J class on the 757s only, see in picture below:

http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p578/Kev_Andrew/10153855_596284727106307_8170561402540200780_n_zpsa2231ee8.jpg

Highlights of the EI transatlantic product are marketed as being the CBP preclearance available at DUB/SNN, onboard WIFI, and now the new lie-flat J seats...however, for somebody booking a seat on the new DUB-JFK transatlantic service, will they get any of these, preclearance even, since it departs so early?

The product is certainly strong if you're flying A330s, and the A330 product is what EI advertises, but from next summer one third (3 757 + 1 767) of the 12-aircraft transatlantic fleet will feature an inferior product, which may disappoint some passengers.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 72):
Sure, its not 180 degree lie-flat, but it is lie-flat and there is AVOD, for short sectors from SNN to North America and DUB to YYZ, I really don't see the issue. There is barely time to lie-flat on an overnight service on these services. It is perfectly adequate.

Totally agree with the above, but the issue at hand is that the product which is promoted by EI is superior. This discrepancy may lead to disappointment for some passengers as they board their 757.

[Edited 2014-11-05 04:56:14]
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:42 pm

Quoting 321neo (Reply 74):
The product is certainly strong if you're flying A330s, and the A330 product is what EI advertises, but from next summer 1/3 (3 757 + 1 767) of the 12-aircraft transatlantic fleet will feature an inferior product, which may disappoint some passengers.

Very true, but the price wont reflect the inferior product I bet.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:47 pm

Quoting 321neo (Reply 74):
Totally agree with the above, but the issue at hand is that the product which is promoted by EI is superior. This discrepancy may lead to disappointment for some passengers as they board their 757.

The WiFi is always marketed as "On all A330", so if the customer is disappointed, it is because they didn't/couldn't be bothered to look at the aircraft type operating their service. EI are doing well to have WiFi on 2/3's of the Transatlantic fleet, even mores because WiFi is complementary in Business class. Presently the A330 recaro seat and the ex VS 757 seat are indistinguishable from each other to the majority.
BA has one 747 and WiFi is definitely not free. Similarly, few airlines have a homologous J product across all fleet types. DL has an array of J seats, not even sloped lie-flat on the 757, I think. On UA you might be 8 across on a 777 facing backwards or 4 across facing forwards. On US you could get anything from a recliner to a suite. BA have been selling the older Club World lie-flat product found on 767s in exactly the same way as "new" Club World for almost a decade.
If EI is measuring itself against comparable peers, the product is consistent enough and good enough, for now. If they want to excel, then they will need to address the 757 seat and WiFi, as the gap between the fleets will be marked.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 73):
Wasn't that the #socialjet one? I think they'll probably do something similar with the 767 - albino scheme with the shamrock on the tailfin and EI titles on the side.

It was indeed. Basic EI titles and shamrock. Personally I think the white tail looks better than the green tail seen on the 757 while it was waiting to be fully painted. I wonder what the addition of the cheatline along the windows would look like with the rest in white.
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:49 pm

Probably been mentioned before but DUB-NTE from next May too which is good to see.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:54 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 76):
If EI is measuring itself against comparable peers, the product is consistent enough and good enough, for now. If they want to excel, then they will need to address the 757 seat and WiFi, as the gap between the fleets will be marked.

Spot on.

Did they ever give an reason for the absence of WIFI on the 757s?
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:10 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 72):

So are you saying the BA 787 Y class is dirty or was the seat / experience bad?
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:18 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 67):
I think it will be Air Contractors. They will presumably have a joint type rating for both types.

B757 and B767 have been single type rating since they were introduced I believe.

Quoting 321neo (Reply 69):
It's a pity he doesn't seem to understand the impact on the brand which comes from the old-style J class and complete lack of WIFI on the 757

'Brand' is not the same as 'Product'

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 72):
The lack of Wi-Fi is something that should be addressed, but the 757 fleet is a temporary situation while EI waits for suitable new-build aircraft such as the A321NEO-LR and the A350 to come on-stream

I will hazard a guess that newbuild aircraft within the next 3-5 years will have inbuild wi-fi capability, at a minimum it will be a customer option.

Quoting 321neo (Reply 74):
The product is certainly strong if you're flying A330s, and the A330 product is what EI advertises, but from next summer one third (3 757 + 1 767) of the 12-aircraft transatlantic fleet will feature an inferior product, which may disappoint some passengers
Quoting EIBoston (Reply 75):
Very true, but the price wont reflect the inferior product I bet

Hope so but doubt it.

Quoting 321neo (Reply 78):
Did they ever give an reason for the absence of WIFI on the 757s?

I guess that the work/cost involved with installation on a leased aircraft would be a problem. Perhaps they are not permitted to do any DIY on these aircraft?
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:36 pm

In other Shamrock Kool-Aid fanclub news.......
IASS pension deficit deal has been passed by ballot of members.
IASS fund will close/be frozen on Dec 31st 2014.
Current staff will transfer to a new pension fund.
Retired staff plan legal action to block it as they were not allowed to vote.

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2014/1105/657104-aer-lingus-pension/
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:44 pm

Quoting RandWKOP (Reply 79):
So are you saying the BA 787 Y class is dirty or was the seat / experience bad?

Its the seat. 3-3-3 across, 30" pitch. Nasty. If you are UK based and looking to get on a 787 the BY ones are apparently fantastic. 33-34", still 3-3-3 but at least legroom to compensate. At 6"1 and not (yet) suffering from the inevitable outward spread legroom is more important to me than width. Although, I have been lucky recently and my stack of Avios and upgrade certificates have kept me out of long-haul Y for the past 4 years, on all but one flight. Even then I was in an exit-row seat with the seat next to me free.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:46 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 72):
I think you are being a bit harsh, the condition of the cabin isn't 100%, but its not atrocious. It's mainly dust and in need of a deep clean, rather than food residue or mess from the last passenger. To me, its a reflection that we are coming to the end of the busy summer season with high utilisation and little down time. In any case the fleet will be cycling through heavy maintenance and the A330s will all get a brand-new business class cabin. If you do travel via LHR you are equally likely to find grubby cabins, unless you are flying on BA's A380, 77W or 787. The 787, however, is particularly unpleasant in Y. I've recently flown on an assortment of short-haul BA aircraft and the unrefurbished A319s are pretty grubby, indeed EI's -CVx series are infer better condition internally than the majority of the short-haul BA fleet.
I agree that it doesn't look great, but a the end of the day a bit of dust between wall panels is not going to kill anyone.

Brian; how often have you travelled AL Long Haul in J recently? The product has been on the decline now solidly for 18 months. Before that; I would have argued it was one of the best on the North Atlantic; especially around the 2010/2011 period.

I disagree entirely that I'm being a bit harsh. What are you talking about - ''a bit of dust''. Is that what's on the lavatory door? There are pieces of breadrolls/spent food in the bottle holders and under the seat armrests. That's a lot more than dust. Back in July, I travelled on EI-DUZ and the seat panel was broken, jagged and swinging loosely. Granted that has been replaced in the meantime. But again; something that you'd expect in Business Class?

That's like me saying to you: ''Sorry, this S class Mercedes that you paid EUR 100K+ for is missing some of the interior fittings and was delivered to you dirty because our production line was extremely busy''. The customer doesn't or shouldn't have to care how busy things are - they pay for an advertsied service or product quality and pay handsomely for it at current EI prices; in both classes of travel I would add.

I took 5 BA flights in September; including in old Club Europe cabins and every one of them was spotless compared to EI-DUZ. I've flown regional flights this year on turboprops and several ''LCC'' flights with much cleaner cabins - aircraft that often see excessive utilisation daily.

The problem here is one of complacency. In 2010/2011; EI had to work very hard to stimulate demand. Now; as the Economy in Ireland has improved (remarkably so with question marks as to how maintainable that improvement is) there is a level of guaranteed demand creeping back in... With that; there has clearly been a reduced focus on the cleanliness of aircraft.

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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:55 pm

Quoting eagleboy (Reply 80):

Quoting kaitak (Reply 67):
I think it will be Air Contractors. They will presumably have a joint type rating for both types.

B757 and B767 have been single type rating since they were introduced I believe.

In the statement it says that the 767 is being deployed on an ACMI contract for 12 weeks. Doesn't this mean that crews are also supplied by the lessor meaning EI crews will not operate (unless the lessor is Air Contractors where pilots have been seconded from EI) so I dare I say another cabin crew dispute might arise over this?
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:45 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 84):

In the statement it says that the 767 is being deployed on an ACMI contract for 12 weeks.

Interesting to speculate who it is if it's just for 12 weeks, it's hardly worth spending any money on training or aircraft fitting for such a short lease.
Since ACL currently don't have a 767 on their books, so it could come from another source, such as:
Omni
Euro Atlantic
Titan

Or unless ACL intend on keeping a pax 767 active after the 12 week period to offer for other ACMI work.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:03 pm

Can anyone remember the quote that used to be on the wall at the bottom of the stairs after pier C immigration? I've been trying to remember it all day but just can't recall it!
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:04 pm

Quoting eagleboy (Reply 81):
In other Shamrock Kool-Aid fanclub news.......IASS pension deficit deal has been passed by ballot of members. IASS fund will close/be frozen on Dec 31st 2014.Current staff will transfer to a new pension fund.Retired staff plan legal action to block it as they were not allowed to vote.

If this actually gets settled, Mueller will deserve a medal!  
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:44 pm

Quoting eagleboy (Reply 81):
In other Shamrock Kool-Aid fanclub news.......

LOL...

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 87):
If this actually gets settled, Mueller will deserve a medal!  

Like I said many times it took a Non - national ( as some of us are called )   to solve many things in the airline! Kudos to him.  
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:12 pm

I was just thinking of the turbulent history EI has had with serving Washington DC and thought it fitting to reflect:

- 6th September 2000: EI launches DUB-SNN-BWI
- 27th October 2001: BWI along with EWR routes are cut in aftermath of 9/11
- 30th March 2003: EI relaunches DUB-SNN-BWI
- 01st December 2004: EI ceases ops on the route as it transforms into a low-cost operation
- 05th August 2007: EI launches DUB-IAD in the wake of Open Skies
- 24th October 2009: EI closes DUB-IAD (along with DUB-SFO and SNN-ORD) citing growing financial uncertainties

http://www.independent.ie/business/o...timore-international-26114146.html
http://irishecho.com/2011/02/baltimo...e-gets-back-on-aer-lingus-track-5/
http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2002/1022/31177-aerlingus/
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/200...ingus-bwi-airport-national-airline
http://corporate.aerlingus.com/media...ressreleases07/title,11238,en.html
http://www.aerlingus.com/Corporate/EIALR300410.pdf

Hopefully it will do better this time round; operating circumstances have changed for the better but there is also now direct competition on the route where there wasn't before.

EI has always used the flight numbers EI119/EI118 for DC...maybe a different pair would bring better luck this time!
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:54 pm

Good news from next May-September DUB-FNC is back with a weekly charter. Concorde Travel in Dublin are one of the operators offering packages.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:02 pm

Quoting PenPusher (Reply 54):

I'm not really surprised with IAD being announced once more. There clearly is a market there for a flight. As American Shamrock has pointed out, this is their fourth time re-entering the market. They've just had some bad luck with. 9/11, poor business direction and the global economic downturn being the death of the route in the past.

They're in a much stronger position now: our own economy is limping its way out of the doldrums! New and shiny T2 to use, plus they've got their "connecting passengers" from the UK and Europe.

I know with UA on the route, may be an issue, but it hunk they'll survive. EI can take care of all the connecting passengers from Europe and UK along with some O&D, while UA can take care of connecting US passengers in IAD, plus some O&D.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 77):

This new route announcement caught me by surprise! Was there any hint of this before? They're going up against Ryanair on this......interesting. Is there really that much demand to the Loire valley and surrounding region. I know EI have been pretty solid serving Rennes from both Dublin and Cork down through the years. I'm presuming this will be with the A320 and not an EIR route. RE used to serve Nantes from Cork on a summer seasonal basis in 2009(open to correction)  

Actually, according to Wikipedia, they started Nantes in 2004. Also they served Nantes from Manchester in 2007.....I never knew that!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aer_Arann
http://www.magextranet.co.uk/web.nsf...Content/PressReleaseAerArranNantes

[Edited 2014-11-05 14:08:21]
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:02 am

Dublin Airport twitter claims that EI will have 24 daily transatlantic departures ex Dublin next summer
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:31 am

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 92):

Surely 24 EI transatlantic departures ex DUB cannot be correct given their TATL fleet plans for next year? More like 24 transatlantic departures if all TATL operators are included!
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:41 am

The most for one day that I can see is 11.
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:30 am

Interesting article in Flight about EI and long haul decisions:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...neo-before-finalising-a350-405662/

Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part (I'm totally opposed to EI taking the A330Neo as an alternative to the A350), but reading this, it seems that EI is not terribly impressed by the Neo.

The only way I could see the Neo being an attractive option would be if it had a common cockpit and engines (or at least sufficient commonality that would allow CCQ and some element of engine commonality) and it could then have a 359/33N fleet.

If EI doesn't go down the Neo route, it looks like it will hold with the current 330 fleet until the A350s begin to appear, in 2018, and then start replacing the A332s first (the 333s having better seat mile economics). So, by 2020, I'd exoect to see EI having a fleet of 4-6 A350s, 4-6 A333s (a total of 10-12 widebodies) and 4-6 A321Neos for secondary t/a routes. The YYZ model can hopefully be replicated on other routes, i.e. starting with a 180 seater, then building that into a 330 route.

(One minor error in the Flight article; the A330 being added next year is a -200, not a -300).
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:09 pm

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 92):
Dublin Airport twitter claims that EI will have 24 daily transatlantic departures ex Dublin next summer

Impressive with only 8 A330 and 2 B757!!!!
(other B757 and leased in B767 in SNN during peak 12 weeks)

Quoting kaitak (Reply 95):
Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part (I'm totally opposed to EI taking the A330Neo as an alternative to the A350), but reading this, it seems that EI is not terribly impressed by the Neo.

Indeed. Mueller speaks positively of the A350, quite a trun around from "overspecified for our network". maybe it was the option switch from A350 to A350R that changed his mind.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 95):
The only way I could see the Neo being an attractive option would be if it had a common cockpit and engines (or at least sufficient commonality that would allow CCQ and some element of engine commonality) and it could then have a 359/33N fleet

Airbus have already announced cockpit commonality for the A350/A330neo

Quoting kaitak (Reply 95):
So, by 2020, I'd exoect to see EI having a fleet of 4-6 A350s, 4-6 A333s (a total of 10-12 widebodies) and 4-6 A321Neos for secondary t/a routes.

Sept business analysis displayed the planned B757 sized aircraft/A330/A350 ratio as 2017 4/8, 2018 4/6/3 , 2019 5/3/6, 2020 5/0/9 .
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:27 pm

Quoting eagleboy (Reply 96):
Sept business analysis displayed the planned B757 sized aircraft/A330/A350 ratio as 2017 4/8, 2018 4/6/3 , 2019 5/3/6, 2020 5/0/9 .

Thanks for that ... good that they'll be having such a decent sized t/a fleet.

If EI does finally turn down the 330Neo, it will be interesting to see what the major factor was.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:17 am

The leased 767 will be operated by Omni International for the 12 week period next summer.
 
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RE: Irish 10/14 The Final Quarter Part 2

Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:34 am

That's a great use of additional capacity on a leisure route for the peak summer period, allowing EI to also increase capacity to JFK from Shannon.

I presume the omni aircraft will stay in an all economy format. I note that they do not have IFE, but their 777s do.
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