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Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:02 am

NBC Nightly news posted this video of a 737 landing in Portugal. Looks like major crosswinds.

http://youtu.be/OkQLcO8OL30
 
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:14 am

Kudos to Brian Williams for actually using "crab" in his report!
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:45 am

Should that require a go around? I can't see anything stable about that approach. (IANAP).
 
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:46 am

Hello all,

From that angle, I didn't see all that much crab, but I saw the flying pilot react and respond to a sudden gust so close to flaring then made the landing appear routine. Kudos to him or her flying...
 
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:04 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):

Kudos to Brian Williams for actually using "crab" in his report!

I watch NBC news with Brian Williams every week night, I find that he uses correct real world terms w/o talking down to the average person.

NBC like all American networks show the bias of those in charge from time to time, but for the most part they give a reasonable recount of the days events. I watched the story as well. Although it didn't look like crabbing to me, maybe a bit.

Quoting jourdan747 (Thread starter):

NBC Nightly news posted this video of a 737 landing in Portugal. Looks like major crosswinds.

Indeed it is an airport known for these type of wind levels, I'm sure the pilot had done this before.

Quoting kraz911 (Reply 3):
From that angle, I didn't see all that much crab, but I saw the flying pilot react and respond to a sudden gust so close to flaring then made the landing appear routine. Kudos to him or her flying

Top notch flying, it looked a bit crazy for a few seconds, but damn if both those back boggies hit the ground at the same time, and with out breaking struts... Very fun to watch, funner inside the plane, well for me at least.
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:13 am

Quoting jourdan747 (Thread starter):
Looks like major crosswinds.

you can make lots of those videos on that island. Must have been a really slow news day.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=madeira+airport+landing

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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:06 am

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 5):
you can make lots of those videos on that island. Must have been a really slow news day.

I'm seeing a lot of go arounds.
 
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:06 am

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 5):
Must have been a really slow news day.

Not so much a slow news day but increasingly nightly news will include an item that is pulled from trending Facebook feeds. This was hot the couple days before. It could have been a cat playing piano as well.
 
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:27 pm

Quoting kraz911 (Reply 3):
From that angle, I didn't see all that much crab, but I saw the flying pilot react and respond to a sudden gust so close to flaring then made the landing appear routine. Kudos to him or her flying...

100% agree.
The sudden dip of the starboard wing was a little unsettling, and I am sure there were some gasps from passengers in the cabin (I would have!), but the pilots were true professionals and got the Boeing down safely.

Pretty sure that airport is known for strange and sudden winds. Must be a pain in the neck to prepare for landing there.
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:11 pm

Wolf Blitzer would have said something like "If it wasn't enough that the airlines give us bad service, now they put our lives in danger".
 
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:38 pm

That landing doesn't look scary to me. Far from scary.
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:02 pm

Quoting tootallsd (Reply 7):
Not so much a slow news day but increasingly nightly news will include an item that is pulled from trending Facebook feeds

I think the post on Facebook was from The Weather Channel, which is part of NBC Universal.
 
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:41 pm

Good landing in strong winds. Non story. Shame anet is just as guilty of sensationalism as the media.
 
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:26 pm

Quoting ricknroll (Reply 2):
I can't see anything stable about that approach. (IANAP).

A stable approach is one where you are on speed, on glidepath, configured and engines spooled. Although the airplane was getting bounced around, it doesn't mean the approach wasn't stable and a go around required.
 
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:56 pm

Hi,

It was shot in FNC, Madeira, during a recent storm event that brought heavy rains and winds to the islands.
Conditions were less than stellar, to put it mildly, with windshear, 12kts at an angle for runway 23 gusting to 37kts(!).

Aside from that Tui, only planes to land during the morning were two TP. Some planes making 2 and 3 attempts (plus some lenghty holds!) to land before returning home or make diversions to Porto Santo, the Canaries, Lisbon and Faro.

Overall, a great display of flying skills, and far from being a dangerous landing, just a more exciting one. I guess most of A.Netters would love to be onboard on that 737!
 
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:05 pm

I visited Madeira in June this year. The landing was a bit scary, which I filmed. If you watch from about 6:41 you hear the grasps from the passengers. Here is the link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ9pFhtx5Zo
 
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:08 pm

There are loads of videos around the internet from landings and missed approaches here at Madeira airport. The runway gets all sorts of sudden wind gusts and direction changes due to the contours of the surrounding area added to which its coastal. I,m sure i read sometime back that pilots have to undergo special training before being allowed to fly here, not unlike other particularly challenging airports.
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:13 pm

Not sure why this made it into the news ... anyway I liked watching it and Brian's comment was rather good.
 
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:13 pm

ABC's World News Tonight with David Muir showed it last night as well.
 
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:29 pm

Right now this is on the BBC frontpage
http://www.bbc.co.uk
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0299wq5 (link in case it is taken from the frontpage)
 
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:41 pm

There is a reason FNC routinely makes the regularly-reappearing lists of "most dangerous airports in the world."

 
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:58 pm

nothing uncommon in FNC. the winds coming down the mountains can be very nasty from time to time. very well airmanship!
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:52 pm

Hello all,

While landings in gusty winds and the severe dropoffs at either end of the elevated runway at FNC are challenging, the windy landings at BHX, with their un-level runway are hardly least difficult...
 
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:32 am

Quoting CaptCosslett (Reply 17):
If you watch from about 6:41 you hear the grasps from the passengers.

What were they grasping? Their armrests?
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:09 am

Happens all the time there...they must have needed a filler...
 
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:25 am

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 13):
A stable approach is one where you are on speed, on glidepath, configured and engines spooled. Although the airplane was getting bounced around, it doesn't mean the approach wasn't stable and a go around required.

Totally agree. Most airlines have defined stabilized approach criteria and I highly doubt that in that moment this approach would have been defined as stabilized. Without knowing whether a second gust like the one just experienced was waiting another 100ft further down the approach when close to the ground, a go-around would have been the wisest thing.

However pilots do fall prey to pushonitis and with the adreneline pumping many pilots do continue with an approach they should have abandoned.
 
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:11 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 10):
That landing doesn't look scary to me. Far from scary.

It may not be to the seasoned traveler, but I'm betting there were some nervous passengers onboard. I'm sure it got the pilots' heart rate up too.

Quoting ricknroll (Reply 2):
Should that require a go around? I can't see anything stable about that approach. (IANAP).

Not necessarily. The stabilized approach criteria I was taught is
Checklists Complete
Flight Path Correct
Landing Gear Set
Airspeed Proper
Power Setting Appropriate For Aircraft Configuration
Sink Rate Not Abnormal
Though it will differ from carrier to carrier, but I'm betting not by a whole lot. He nailed the thousand foot markers so I'm guessing he was set up well.

Certainly a little nerve racking. I'm sure the pilot felt like a million bucks when he was pulling her off the runway. Great piloting skills on his part.
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:34 am

Isn't this where that Transat pilot landed an a330 without engines?
 
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RE: Scary Landing On NBC Nightly News

Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:46 am

Quoting VCEflyboy (Reply 27):
Isn't this where that Transat pilot landed an a330 without engines?

Nope. That was in the Azores...... another Portuguese archipelago

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