Alaska Airlines Increases SEA-STL Service

bigfoot0503 · Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:58 pm

Beginning June 8, 2015 Alaska Airlines will add a second flight from SEA-STL. The service will operate through August 2015. Flights from SEA will be offered 5 days of the week and add to the already existing non-stop daily flight.

After a fairly successful summer 2014 offering of non-stop flights on F9 from PDX to STL its' entirely possible that Alaska may consider adding PDX-STL.

Link to additional information:
http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/b...dding-st-louis-seattle-flight.html

slcdeltarumd11 · Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:06 pm

A second, less than daily frequency, for less than three months......is this really thread worthy?

psa1011 · Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:09 pm

Interesting - why did WN drop this route altogether (but somehow SEA-BNA still exists)?

Osubuckeyes · Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:16 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 1):
A second, less than daily frequency, for less than three months......is this really thread worthy?

Oh definitely, there also needs to be a thread right before it starts: "AS starts second, less than daily frequency, for less than three months SEA-STL"

stlgph · Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:10 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 1):
A second, less than daily frequency, for less than three months......is this really thread worthy?

Yes. Welcome to a civil aviation forum containing posts and various forms of information about civil aviation.

If you don't like it, the parent company of Airliners.net is publicly traded. Please buy a majority share and go to town.

Outside of that - Portland/St. Louis on Alaska could be fun to watch with Frontier on the route.

bigfoot0503 · Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:37 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 1):
A second, less than daily frequency, for less than three months......is this really thread worthy?

I'm not sure your Holyness...why don't you impart your wisdom.

RJNUT · Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:39 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 1):
A second, less than daily frequency, for less than three months......is this really thread worthy?

this is primarily why i come here is to find this useful information !

iowaman · Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:56 pm

Quoting psa1011 (Reply 2):
Interesting - why did WN drop this route altogether (but somehow SEA-BNA still exists)?

STL-SEA on Southwest has been seasonal in previous years, unless it has been cut all together (I may have missed the news).

steex · Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:04 pm

For reference of those who don't click through the article, here are the schedules:

Existing flight (daily)
AS 748 SEA 11:10 STL 17:10
AS 751 STL 18:05 SEA 20:35

New flight (5x weekly)
AS 712 SEA 18:15 STL 23:58
AS 711 STL 07:00 SEA 09:30

The new flight is a great complement and allows much greater connectivity over SEA ex-STL.

Noise · Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:33 pm

Good for them, and good for AS!! Nice to see them beef up their SEA hub in the face of stiffer competition.

I was examining their route network out of SEA and I feel there's roughly 12 other cities left in the country that can be successfully served with a 737. They are as follows:

CLT
CMH
BNA
JAX
RSW
IND
MKE
ORF
OKC
RDU
PIT
CLE

I'm basing this list on destinations out of SEA with more than 100 PPDEW that aren't currently served non-stop year-round. Looking forward to the building of the SEA hub as they take delivery of more 737s!

Cactus739 · Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:34 pm

Kansas City also gets a second daily round trip next summer. Same timings.... Evening departure and early am return to SEA

wedgetail737 · Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:42 pm

If bookings on the 2nd flights to both STL and MCI continue to be strong, I'm sure AS will reconsider to make year-round.
It's good to see AS finally adding additional frequency to existing cities.

LambertMan · Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:05 am

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 1):
A second, less than daily frequency, for less than three months......is this really thread worthy?

I suppose we could always start a thread speculating on how strong the Mormon Tabernacle Choir's relationship is with British Airways.

In all seriousness, I had wondered how AS was doing in St. Louis and this seems to answer that question. And to the OP's note, STL-PDX on F9 qualified as a minor success story. Hopefully it returns as well.

knope2001 · Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:33 am

Quoting Noise (Reply 9):
CLT
CMH
BNA
JAX
RSW
IND
MKE
ORF
OKC
RDU
PIT
CLE

I'm basing this list on destinations out of SEA with more than 100 PPDEW that aren't currently served non-stop year-round. Looking forward to the building of the SEA hub as they take delivery of more 737s!

Milwaukee already does have year-round nonstop flights to Seattle on Southwest. In the dead of winter I don't think it operates on Saturdays so that may technically qualify them for your list.

slcdeltarumd11 · Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:43 am

oh you all know what i meant. This is such a minor schedule change, can you imagine if every single little adjustment of this nature had a forum thats all i was sayin

ASFlyer · Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:28 am

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 14):
oh you all know what i meant. This is such a minor schedule change, can you imagine if every single little adjustment of this nature had a forum thats all i was sayin

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777STL · Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:43 am

We get a thread every time someone farts at SLC. I'm not sure how this thread is any more useless than one of those.

smoot4208 · Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:46 am

Quoting bigfoot0503 (Thread starter):
After a fairly successful summer 2014 offering of non-stop flights on F9 from PDX to STL its' entirely possible that Alaska may consider adding PDX-STL.

STL-PDX has been removed from Frontier's routemap. I would not expect it to return.

http://www.flyfrontier.com/plan-book.../Files/docs/Routemap%20102814.ashx

steex · Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:58 am

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 17):
STL-PDX has been removed from Frontier's routemap. I would not expect it to return.

In fact, when STL-SFO/PDX were announced, there was absolutely no mention of the routes being seasonal. They didn't appear in the winter schedule once it was extended and people assumed that meant they were seasonal, but the airline never said so.

I would hold no ill will toward F9 for trying them and subsequently throwing in the towel (especially given their entry to SFO was quickly followed by WN and an additional UA frequency), but it always seemed overly optimistic to label these seasonal.

SANFan · Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:05 am

I have hoped for a couple of years now -- since AS began their SAN-growth -- that they would add STL to the SAN route map. It's a route that WN serves only seasonally even though the O&D traffic is not only healthy but very consistent year round. It seems that SAN-STL would be another good route similar to SAN-BOS that would help expand AS's business-travel appeal here.

But of course there's nothing to say AS won't add SAN-STL at some point, even next year...

BTW, remember that AS has already announced frequency/capacity increases from SEA in several markets starting in March: BOI, BOS, ORD, DEN, FAI, LAX, PDX, PSP & SMF. Links:
http://splash.alaskasworld.com/Newsr...s/ASstories/AS_20140527_115758.asp and details of adds at:
http://splash.alaskasworld.com/Newsr...m/ASNews/ASstories/add_Seattle.pdf

The SEA expansion continues strongly in 2015. Maybe AS will shortly come out with a summary of the total summer adds for SEA.

bb

BHMNONREV · Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:20 am

Quoting stlgph (Reply 4):
Yes. Welcome to a civil aviation forum containing posts and various forms of information about civil aviation.

If you don't like it, the parent company of Airliners.net is publicly traded. Please buy a majority share and go to town.

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 12):
I suppose we could always start a thread speculating on how strong the Mormon Tabernacle Choir's relationship is with British Airways.

Quoting 777stl (Reply 16):
We get a thread every time someone farts at SLC. I'm not sure how this thread is any more useless than one of those.

To my fellow STL brethren I say thank you. I needed a good laugh today..

slcdeltarumd11 · Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:33 pm

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 20):

To my fellow STL brethren I say thank you. I needed a good laugh today..

I guess there really is that little going on in STL nowdays, maybe this is thread worthy.....i apologize

BoeingGuy · Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:58 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 1):
A second, less than daily frequency, for less than three months......is this really thread worthy?

Last time I checked this board is to discuss civil aviation issues. Give the OP a break. He had a right to start the thread.

This is a successful airline doubling frequency on a fairly new route out of their hub in which they are under attack from a much bigger major airline (although not yet on this specific route). Sure, in my mind this is worth discussing.

Quoting Noise (Reply 9):
I was examining their route network out of SEA and I feel there's roughly 12 other cities left in the country that can be successfully served with a 737. They are as follows:

CLT
CMH
BNA
JAX
RSW
IND
MKE
ORF
OKC
RDU
PIT
CLE

This is an interesting list and an oft discussed topic. No-one has suggested JAX, RSW or ORF has possible AS destinations from SEA. Then again, I didn't guess SAT and MCI either, so AS can surprise me with their choice of new routes.

Noise · Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:25 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 22):
This is an interesting list and an oft discussed topic. No-one has suggested JAX, RSW or ORF has possible AS destinations from SEA. Then again, I didn't guess SAT and MCI either, so AS can surprise me with their choice of new routes.

Bear in mind this is a list of routes with over 100 PPDEW out of SEA not currently served year-round (with the apparent exception of MKE). This does not suggest anything concerning yields so it wouldn't necessarily suggest that these cities are viable out of SEA using a 737...however the possibility exists.

RWA380 · Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:08 am

Quoting stlgph (Reply 4):
Portland/St. Louis on Alaska could be fun to watch with Frontier on the route

I know people who travel often to STL & used the F9 flight 3 times this summer, they said it was full every flight, but as we all know "full doesn't equal profitable".

Quoting steex (Reply 8):
New flight (5x weekly)
AS 712 SEA 18:15 STL 23:58
AS 711 STL 07:00 SEA 09:30

The new flight is a great complement and allows much greater connectivity over SEA ex-STL

I'd love to see AS RON a few more 737s "elsewhere", with timings like this to more dots on their already ample route map.

Quoting cactus739 (Reply 10):
Kansas City also gets a second daily round trip next summer. Same timings.... Evening departure and early am return to SEA

Sounds like Missouri is in need of more connections to the Northwest, very cool that both cities are going 2x daily next summer.

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 17):
STL-PDX has been removed from Frontier's routemap. I would not expect it to return

Well that may very well be the indication of a route without a carrier indeed, this route has been served by EA, TW & F9, Oddly WN didn't offer STL-PDX, but they do have a PDX-MCI that has operated for many years.

bikerthai · Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:03 pm

While the decision may have nothing to do with Boeing. The direct flight to STL would be nice for Boeing Military travelers going back and forth. Had a recent business trip to STL recently and would have love the direct flight instead of having to route through Chicago (the direct flight was too expensive).

This may also be beneficial for the 777x folks who need to keep an eye on the new wing part plants they will be putting into St Louis.

bt

[Edited 2014-10-31 06:05:11]

RWA380 · Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:45 am

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 25):

While the decision may have nothing to do with Boeing. The direct flight to STL would be nice for Boeing Military travelers going back and forth. Had a recent business trip to STL recently and would have love the direct flight instead of having to route through Chicago (the direct flight was too expensive).

I'd bet that is a factor that is considered in their route planning department, these new flights offer a decent amount of connecting opportunities in SEA plus some business O/D traffic, these will be winner flight times, not like the Boeing driven flight by TW operating SEA-ICT back in the 90s.

wedgetail737 · Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:07 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 26):
I'd bet that is a factor that is considered in their route planning department, these new flights offer a decent amount of connecting opportunities in SEA plus some business O/D traffic, these will be winner flight times, not like the Boeing driven flight by TW operating SEA-ICT back in the 90s.

Unfortunately, the Boeing Defense footprint in the Puget Sound area will be reduced by nearly 70% in the next three years.

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