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Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:02 pm

http://www.thebasource.com/british-airways-b747-400-g-bnle-withdrawn/
Landed in from SFO and straight down to Cardiff for component recovery.
Down to 44 frames now.

Delivery was 15/11/1989. edit

[Edited 2014-10-30 10:30:37]
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Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:13 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Thread starter):
Landed in from SFO and straight down to Cardiff for component recovery.
Down to 44 frames now.

Would I be safe in assuming that BA still has the largest 744 fleet
remaining in active service?
 
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Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:18 pm

I would thinks so, 10yrs ago they had 57 !
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Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:21 pm

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 1):
Would I be safe in assuming that BA still has the largest 744 fleet
remaining in active service?

You are correct. My question is why and where did they see a need to order so many?
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Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:44 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Thread starter):
Delivery was 15/11/1989. edit

According to G-INFO:

Total Hours:96719 at 31/12/2012

So I would assume well over the 100,000 mark (104-ish probably) by now.
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Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:46 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 3):
My question is why and where did they see a need to order so many?

Having your principal hub at the single most slot-constrained airport in the world will do that. And when they ordered all those 744s they had fewer slots than they do today.
 
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Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:51 pm

G-BNLE had about 105,000 hours on the clock.
 
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Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:41 pm

Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 6):

G-BNLE had about 105,000 hours on the clock.

Thank you.
1989 - 1993 were the production heydays of the 744, no wonder many are being phased out these days.

Btw, according to http://lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa/ Lufthansa will be retiring two 744s and two 737s next month. All four were built in 1990/1991. The two 744s are the last two with (sealed) side cargo doors. They´re both close to 120.000 hours, so have been utilized considerably more than BA´s planes.
 
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Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:10 pm

Quoting na (Reply 7):
so have been utilized considerably more than BA´s planes

Yes, nearly 14% more.
 
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Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:38 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 3):
My question is why and where did they see a need to order so many?

It could have been a much larger fleet from 57. At one point, with orders and options, BA had the potential to operate up to 88 747-436s.

According to ATDB: -
25/08/98 - 16 777-236ER (RR Trent powered) ordered (including some swapped against 5 747-436)
16/04/98 - 5 777-236IGW (GE90 powered) ordered (including 3 swapped against 4 747-436)
02/09/96 - 6 777-236IGW (GE90 powered) ordered (swapped against 6 previously unannounced 747-436)
18/12/91 - 8 747-436 ordered (2 later cancelled in favour of 777-236 aircraft)

I make that 16 747-436 aircraft orders cancelled in favour of 777-236s.
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Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:27 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 2):
10yrs ago they had 57 !


BA operated a fleet of 57 744s from the delivery of their last frame in April 1999 until October 2008 when the first was retired.

With today's retirement they still have 44 744s in service. Few if any other airlines had such a large fleet of 744s at any time. Perhaps JL?

When the last of BA's 744s was delivered in April 1999 they were still operating nine of their 747 136s and all 16 of their 747 236s. However all the 741s were retired in 1999 with the last four being withdrawn from service on 31 October. So for a short time that year BA were operating 82 747s. This was probably their maximum operational 747 fleet size.

Today there looks to be plenty of life left in some of the fleet yet. For example G-BNLJ is currently at CWL. I believe it is having its F Class cabin refitted with BA's most recent F Class product and should return to LHR any day now. It had 108,674 hours on the clock at the end of last year and should already be well past 112,000 hours by now. However with the current cabin refit I doubt BA are planning its retirement any time soon.
 
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:52 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 10):
So for a short time that year BA were operating 82 747s.

That's pretty amazing.


I know JAL purchased over 100 747's from the early Classics through the -400 but I doubt they ever operated that many at once.
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:27 am

A bit of a side topic, but still relevant. BA has 18 A35Js on order and will have 12 A380s. In terms of BA 744 replacement, do they plan to order more A35Js to replace more 744s (sort of like what UA is doing) as they leave?

If they still want aircraft with a similar seat number, would aircraft like the 777-9 be totally out of the question for BA?
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:36 am

Hello all,

I have to agree with " ready to taxi" that BA has the current largest 747 fleet flying. I thought that LH had quite a few but I only see 19 747-400 versions and with the two retirements next month, 17.They also have 15 -800's with one on order. It would be nice for them to purchase more 800's, but maybe when there is a "such-a-deal" price from Mr. B and global economics change for the better...
 
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:27 am

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 12):
A bit of a side topic, but still relevant. BA has 18 A35Js on order and will have 12 A380s. In terms of BA 744 replacement, do they plan to order more A35Js to replace more 744s (sort of like what UA is doing) as they leave?

If they still want aircraft with a similar seat number, would aircraft like the 777-9 be totally out of the question for BA?

You've forgotten the 16 789s, 12 787-10s, and 6 787s of undecided model that are also on order. Some of these may be for expansion but most will replace 744s and the remaining 8 long-haul 763s.
The other point to consider is that there are several subfleets within the BA 744s with different seating layouts, having differing proportions of business (Club World), economy, and premium economy, so there isn't just one single number of seats to be replaced.
I seem to remember IAG saying they weren't considering the 779 for 744 replacements, but can't find an actual link to the statement.
 
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:39 am

We had a thread like this a few weeks back when the last BA 744 was retired. Are we going to have a new thread for each of the remaining 44 frames as they are withdrawn?  Wow!
Quoting andy33 (Reply 14):
I seem to remember IAG saying they weren't considering the 779 for 744 replacements, but can't find an actual link to the statement.

Can't find a link but Willie Walsh was quoted as saying he didn't like the "Emiratisation" of the aircraft. I think the problem is the aircraft will have greater range (and will thus be too heavy) than is required for BA's network.
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:46 am

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 12):

If they still want aircraft with a similar seat number, would aircraft like the 777-9 be totally out of the question for BA?

If memory serves me they didn't order the A350 until April/May last year, and although the 77X wasn't formally launched until later that summer it wasn't exactly a surprise. So if BA wanted the 77X it would have made sense to wait a couple of months and order either with, or instead of the A350.

As it stands I see no reason for them to add another type. The 744's can be replaced with further A350-1000 and A380 orders, and the A350-900 is a perfect replacement for the 772's.
 
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:04 am

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 15):
We had a thread like this a few weeks back when the last BA 744 was retired. Are we going to have a new thread for each of the remaining 44 frames as they are withdrawn?

You got something better to do? 20+ year old workhorse jumbo retirements are always noteworthy.
 
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:02 am

The BA large aircraft long haul fleet is bigger today than it was at the peak of the 747-400 fleet.

57 747-400s has gone to 44 747-400s + 8 A380s + 12 777-300ERs (total of 64 planes).

In the long run, they are still short aircraft to replace the 747-400... 12 A380s + 12 777-300ERs + 18 A350-1000s + 12 787-10s = 54 total planes (down from the current 64).

Personally, I feel a 777-9 order is still likely.
 
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:07 am

A point to note, BA is still considered the largest 747-400 operator ever, even at a fleet of 44.
The peak 747-400 fleet at United was 44, and peak at Singapore was 42.
 
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:51 am

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 18):
Personally, I feel a 777-9 order is still likely.

But the 777-9 cannot be TRENTed. Would they nevertheless take it?

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Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:11 am

Quoting Ferroviarius (Reply 20):
But the 777-9 cannot be TRENTed. Would they nevertheless take it?

Why not they took the 77W and remember they actually LAUNCHED the 772A with the GE90? Deals can be done. yes they are close to RR but it's not a 100 percent given. Nor should it be.
 
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:23 am

When looking at BA replacements for the 744 we should not forget replacements for their 772s. Their oldest 772 is two years older than their youngest 744. 772 G-ZZZA had 74,302 hours on its clock as at 31 December last. At that time BA was operating around a dozen 744s that had flown fewer hours. For example G-BYGA had flown 63,011 hours.

With the current order book this all seems to suggest that the 744 will still be playing a not insignificant role in BA's operations into the mid 2020s if not longer.
 
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:28 am

Thai Airways also retired today HS-TGN c/n 26615 DMK-LAX-MHV for part out and scrap
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:48 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 22):
Their oldest 772 is two years older than their youngest 744

On a point of pedantry, I think is getting on for four years isn't it? November 1995 (G-ZZZC) vs April 1999 (G-BYGG)?
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:03 pm

I do think BA may seriously consider buying six more A388's, primarily for services to their most popular destinations. I do think BA will keep 20-25 744's, primarily for the flights between JFK and LHR (BA does a huge amount of business flying between these two airports).
 
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:18 pm

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 15):
We had a thread like this a few weeks back when the last BA 744 was retired. Are we going to have a new thread for each of the remaining 44 frames as they are withdrawn?

Maybe, but the BA B744 fleet will stay at 44 until the end of next year when the B789's are entering service.
 
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:38 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 26):
Maybe, but the BA B744 fleet will stay at 44 until the end of next year when the B789's are entering service.

It's suggested (only suggested, mind) elsewhere that G-BNLG is also due for withdrawal this year, but after that there will be no further 744 fleet reductions at BA until the first 789s arrive late in 2015.
 
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:42 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 3):
Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 1):Would I be safe in assuming that BA still has the largest 744 fleet
remaining in active service?
You are correct. My question is why and where did they see a need to order so many?

I suspect BA themselves regret ordering so many! Fewer 744s and more 772s would have suited their recent operations far better
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:59 pm

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 25):
I do think BA may seriously consider buying six more A388's, primarily for services to their most popular destinations.

Agreed! I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a follow on order some time.

The day will surely come when we're sat here discussing the last passenger flight of the 747-400, just as we did the Tristar and we're doing now with the MD11. How times change....
 
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:05 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Thread starter):
Down to 44 frames now

Sad times. BNLE was my first ever 747-400 flight between LHR and SEA.
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:14 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 10):

With today's retirement they still have 44 744s in service. Few if any other airlines had such a large fleet of 744s at any time. Perhaps JL?

If you include Cargo, I guess LH in 2001 came close, when they still flew their old 742s pending retirement and also had the 742Fs still around.
 
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:21 pm

Quoting andy33 (Reply 14):
You've forgotten the 16 789s, 12 787-10s, and 6 787s of undecided model that are also on order. Some of these may be for expansion but most will replace 744s and the remaining 8 long-haul 763s.

What's to become of the 767-300s? If they aren't scrapped, will they be attractive for other airlines or cargo conversions?

Quoting andy33 (Reply 14):
I seem to remember IAG saying they weren't considering the 779 for 744 replacements, but can't find an actual link to the statement.
Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 15):
Can't find a link but Willie Walsh was quoted as saying he didn't like the "Emiratisation" of the aircraft. I think the problem is the aircraft will have greater range (and will thus be too heavy) than is required for BA's network.

I did a little looking around myself. Here's what I found:

http://aviationweek.com/awin-feature...ays-777x-perfect-fit-parts-network

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...rways-interest-to-replace-747.html

I didn't know about IAGs interest, but I guess both of you are incorrect.

Walsh states that the 777X will have an "inevitable" role in BA's fleet.

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Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:05 pm

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 32):
What's to become of the 767-300s? If they aren't scrapped, will they be attractive for other airlines or cargo conversions?

Doubtful for cargo conversion or resale, due to the oddball (as far as 767s go) engine option.
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:28 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 26):
I do think BA may seriously consider buying six more A388's, primarily for services to their most popular destinations.

They could just wait a few years for some of the ex-EK frames to go up for sale and probably get a steal on them.
 
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:40 pm

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 25):

I do think BA may seriously consider buying six more A388's, primarily for services to their most popular destinations
Quoting MKIAZ (Reply 34):
They could just wait a few years for some of the ex-EK frames to go up for sale and probably get a steal on them.

The problem with that is that BA has stated that they have enough A380s. Mindset's change, but they haven't stated otherwise.
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:20 pm

Quoting andy33 (Reply 14):

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 12):
A bit of a side topic, but still relevant. BA has 18 A35Js on order and will have 12 A380s. In terms of BA 744 replacement, do they plan to order more A35Js to replace more 744s (sort of like what UA is doing) as they leave?

If they still want aircraft with a similar seat number, would aircraft like the 777-9 be totally out of the question for BA?

You've forgotten the 16 789s, 12 787-10s, and 6 787s of undecided model that are also on order. Some of these may be for expansion but most will replace 744s and the remaining 8 long-haul 763s.
The other point to consider is that there are several subfleets within the BA 744s with different seating layouts, having differing proportions of business (Club World), economy, and premium economy, so there isn't just one single number of seats to be replaced.
I seem to remember IAG saying they weren't considering the 779 for 744 replacements, but can't find an actual link to the statement.

With last years order for 18x 787 and 18x A350 BA have stated their 747 replacement was complete. So, next up for wide body replacements will be their 777s. This will most likely be divided between 787-9/10 and A359. The 787 models are already on order, so further 787s are more likely than A359, which would mean a new variant for BA.

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 15):
Can't find a link but Willie Walsh was quoted as saying he didn't like the "Emiratisation" of the aircraft. I think the problem is the aircraft will have greater range (and will thus be too heavy) than is required for BA's network.

BA never ruled out the 777-9 like they did the 747-8i. As far is their 'emiratisation' remarks are concerned: LH said the 777X had too much range for likes, and promptly were the first airline to order....

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 32):
Walsh states that the 777X will have an "inevitable" role in BA's fleet.

But I can see it only as 77W replacement, those are not meant to stay long term (many are leased). Personally, I believe the A350-1000 has a better business case.
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:18 pm

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 36):
With last years order for 18x 787 and 18x A350 BA have stated their 747 replacement was complete.

Your assessment is at odds with that of IAG CEO Willie Walsh. After last year's orders he believes that BA still needs to replace 'about 25 747s'. Here is what he is quoted as saying in the Bloomberg link provided by Boeing778X in Reply 32:


'An order for more planes would be for jets for delivery from 2019, Walsh said, with Airbus still in the running. British Airways would need to replace about 25 747s, which has four engines that consume more fuel, he said.'
 
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:43 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 37):
Your assessment is at odds with that of IAG CEO Willie Walsh.

Well we may find out on Investors day, which is next week.
 
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BNLE took us LHR - BOS and return in August, didn't show her age in the cabin, but she did when we visited the cockpit, lots of shiny aluminium where the paint had worn off over the years.
 
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:49 pm

Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 39):
lots of shiny aluminium where the paint had worn off over the years.

How nice, like a much loved car.  
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Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:00 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Thread starter):
Landed in from SFO and straight down to Cardiff for component recovery.
Down to 44 frames now.

I wish they'd hurry up then we get some interesting(for a while) BA aircraft in JFK!
 
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Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:45 am

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 36):
But I can see it only as 77W replacement, those are not meant to stay long term (many are leased). Personally, I believe the A350-1000 has a better business case.

The A35J is a very nice 777-300ER replacement, but in many ways, so is the 777-9.
I guess that would depend how the x18 A350-1000s work for BA. They may like them and want more to fully replace the 77Ws, or, they could like them (what's not to like about the A350?) but choose not to order more, and instead get the 777-9. Remember, the 777-9 is pretty much a 1:1 replacement for the 744, and I imagine a good portion of 744 flights are full.

A fleet like such (what is it with me and my lists? haha!) really does add flexibility and versatility to the fleet.

x8 - 787-8
x22 - 787-9
x12 - 787-10
x18 - A350-1000
>25(?) - 777-9
x12 - A380-800 - High density routes.

Total: 97

Currently, the number of 767s, 777s and 747s equal 117 (Airfleets.) That leaves room for 20 new planes. Let's say they want to:
a.) expand
b.) replace the 77Es.

x25 A350-900 or +25 787-X or ???

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 38):
Well we may find out on Investors day, which is next week.

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Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:55 am

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 32):
Walsh states that the 777X will have an "inevitable" role in BA's fleet.

Yes, wasn't that just before signing for A350s?   

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 21):
yes they are close to RR but it's not a 100 percent given. Nor should it be.

But all their 'new generation' widebodies on order are RR powered.

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 29):
Agreed! I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a follow on order some time.

Absolutely. I can easily see them ending up with 25-30 A380s.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 36):
Personally, I believe the A350-1000 has a better business case.

It seems so to me as well.

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 42):
x8 - 787-8
x22 - 787-9
x12 - 787-10
x18 - A350-1000
>25(?) - 777-9
x12 - A380-800 - High density routes.

I don't see the benefit of moving from a three type fleet (767, 777 & 747) to four types, especially when the 787 and A350 can meet
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RE: BA Retire Another 747 Today, 30/10/14

Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:13 am

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 42):
What happens at "Investor's Day?"

Day long presentations of IAG, BA, IB and VY performance and plans to financial analysts.

If you go to this web site:

http://www.iagshares.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=240949&p=irol-presentations

click on 'IAG Presentations' and then click on 'Capital Markets Day' you will see images of all the slides of the November 2013 presentation.

Of particular relevance to this thread are:

Slide 21: IAG's future fleet plans out to 2015 with orders and options out to 2022 all as at November 2013

Slide 43: BA's future long-haul fleet size plans by type by year out to 2018 as at November 2013

Slide 44: BA's future short-haul fleet size plans by type by year out to 2018 as at November 2013

So, for example, the third of the above slides shows that as of this time last year BA planned to retire its last short-haul 763 in 2017. The second of the slides shows that the plan as of this time last year was to retire their last long haul configured 763 in 2016.

Most relevant to this thread Slide 43 shows that as of last November BA planned to operate a fleet of 31 744s in 2018.

There is another tab in the link above titled 'Capital Markets Day Transcript'. As the name suggests this is a transcript of the words spoken behind each of the slides in all of the presentations.
 
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RE: BA Retire Another 747 Today, 30/10/14

Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:15 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 37):

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 36):
With last years order for 18x 787 and 18x A350 BA have stated their 747 replacement was complete.

Your assessment is at odds with that of IAG CEO Willie Walsh. After last year's orders he believes that BA still needs to replace 'about 25 747s'. Here is what he is quoted as saying in the Bloomberg link provided by Boeing778X in Reply 32:


'An order for more planes would be for jets for delivery from 2019, Walsh said, with Airbus still in the running. British Airways would need to replace about 25 747s, which has four engines that consume more fuel, he said.'

That is odd, my remark was based on an earlier interview with Willie Walsh to FG: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ls-747-400-retirement-plan-385021/

BA will indeed still have 25 747s to replace from 2019, supposing 6 of them will be retired that year (this is purely a personal assumption based on:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 44):
Slide 43: BA's future long-haul fleet size plans by type by year out to 2018 as at November 2013

)
Thanks very much for this information, by the way. Very helpful!

But, the order for 18 additional 787s and 18 A350 will also for the largest part be delivered from 2019 onwards. So, either BA have changed their plans for the 787s and A350s as 747 replacement, or mr. Walsh has been misquoted.
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RE: BA Retire Another 747 Today, 30/10/14

Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:32 am

Quoting kraz911 (Reply 13):
They also have 15 -800's with one on order.

Nitpick: 800's don't exist!

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RE: BA Retire Another 747 Today, 30/10/14

Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:05 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 25):
I do think BA may seriously consider buying six more A388's, primarily for services to their most popular destinations.

It would not surprise me if BA ordered a few more A380s for the reason you mentioned.

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 25):
I do think BA will keep 20-25 744's, primarily for the flights between JFK and LHR (BA does a huge amount of business flying between these two airports).

BA has to be a candidate for being the last 747-400 pax operator given the number they still have in service.
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RE: BA Retire Another 747 Today, 30/10/14

Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:18 am

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 19):
The peak 747-400 fleet at United was 44,

When was that?
 
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RE: BA Retire Another 747 Today, 30/10/14

Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:36 pm

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 45):
That is odd, my remark was based on an earlier interview with Willie Walsh to FG

Long term retirements at BA seem to bne quite fluid and particularly dependant on changes in delivery dates of new aircraft.

The usual planned retirement dates for their long haul aircraft are just before a costly major service. Consider here 744 G-BNLJ. It was never reconfigured with most of the rest of the 744 fleet with BA's New F Cabin. However delays in equipment delivery resulted in it receiving the major service that was due after its original planned retirement date.

Undergoing that major service significantly increased its likely in-service life. So yesterday (1 November) this aircraft was ferried from CWL to LHR (BA9172E) where it has been since the second week in October. I am pretty sure that this visit to British Airways Maintenance Cardiff was to have the New First Cabin fitted although this is subject to cofimation. It is also my understanding that a further two 744s never fitted with this cabin update will soon follow the same route as 'NJ. All of these aircraft are obtaining the New First Cabin seats and fittings from aircraft that were updated but have since had their planned retirement dates bought forward effectively replacing aircraft like 'NJ in the desert.

The knock on effect of these changes is to postpone the retirement dates of the last few BA 744s. So this weeks IAG Investor's meeting could well see another update to BA's fleet retirement plans.

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