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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:29 am

Quoting krod031 (Reply 48):
It will indeed be US Metal, converting from AA to US on 1/8/15

All those years after CMH-LAX was operated on a US 737, it comes back one more time!
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:58 am

Wasn't the unfortunate accident of the USAir 737 that landed on top of a Metroliner (not the pilot's fault - but rather ATC) a flight from CMH to LAX?
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:27 pm

Quoting miaami (Reply 49):
That is correct. However, it is not scheduled after 09FEB15. Not sure if this is an error as suggested in another thread or if the flight has been canceled after that date. I hope its just a schedule update error.

I don't think the AA/US schedules are finalized past 09FEB15 yet.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:08 pm

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 52):
I don't think the AA/US schedules are finalized past 09FEB15 yet.

After looking at the Jan schedule it looks like the planes for LAX and PHX swap at CMH. Inbound does LAX-CMH-PHX and the outbound does PHX-CMH-LAX. The times for the PHX flights remain the same in Feb so it quite possibly is just a schedule update error.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:47 pm

Allegiant is adding seasonal twice weekly service to MSY from LCK and CVG, pretty nice winter and spring add for central and southwest Ohio.

http://ir.allegiantair.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=197578&p=irol-news&nyo=0
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:41 am

Wow, I know SX tried CMH-GPT, but I don't know if there's ever been a Columbus-MSY nonstop. Apparently LCK is REALLY working well for G4!

I bet they'll be rolling in it if there are lots of OSU trips to the Sugar Bowl down the line.  
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:36 pm

Not that many really care here on A.net but October 2014 was a pretty good month for TOL. 14,182 on/off for the month which is up 32% over October 2013. Year to date, 145,114 have flown through which is up 12.3% over 2013 YTD. Breakdown by month:

Month Available Seats Enplanements Load Factor Deplanements Load Factor Total Passengers
January 8,205 6,845 83% 6,695 82% 13,540
February 8,085 7,252 90% 6,960 86% 14,212
March 11,055 9,819 89% 9,593 87% 19,412
April 11,309 9,353 83% 10,114 89% 19,467
May 8,671 7,809 90% 7,814 90% 15,623
June 8,495 7,633 90% 7,768 91% 15,401
July 8,997 7,980 89% 7,944 88% 15,924
August 5,881 5,115 87% 5,274 90% 10,389
September 3,977 3,510 88% 3,454 87% 6,964
October 8,374 7,416 89% 6,766 81% 14,182
November - - - - - -
December - - - - - -
Total 83,049 72,732 88% 72,382 87% 145,114
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:38 pm

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 56):
Not that many really care here on A.net but October 2014 was a pretty good month for TOL. 14,182 on/off for the month which is up 32% over October 2013. Year to date, 145,114 have flown through which is up 12.3% over 2013 YTD. Breakdown by month:Month Available Seats Enplanements Load Factor Deplanements Load Factor Total Passengers January 8,205 6,845 83% 6,695 82% 13,540 February 8,085 7,252 90% 6,960 86% 14,212 March 11,055 9,819 89% 9,593 87% 19,412 April 11,309 9,353 83% 10,114 89% 19,467 May 8,671 7,809 90% 7,814 90% 15,623 June 8,495 7,633 90% 7,768 91% 15,401 July 8,997 7,980 89% 7,944 88% 15,924 August 5,881 5,115 87% 5,274 90% 10,389 September 3,977 3,510 88% 3,454 87% 6,964 October 8,374 7,416 89% 6,766 81% 14,182 November - - - - - - December - - - - - - Total 83,049 72,732 88% 72,382 87% 145,114

Very good news...who cares about the majority who only care about the sustenance of the same ole same ole thread headliners like DFW and ORD and on and on....
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:52 pm

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 56):

I care. I think it is great that smaller facilities like TOL are seeing rising passenger numbers. I only wish TOL could gain carriers like DL and UA, and expanded AA service.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:19 pm

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 58):
I only wish TOL could gain carriers like DL and UA, and expanded AA service

Thanks. Unfortunately, the reality is the market has spoken and they'd rather use DTW. DL would compete against itself at DTW thus hurting their hub and margins there. UA has stated they will not really even consider flying to TOL and stated Topeka as an example of why they won't fly to TOL...Unfortunately, AA doesn't want to take a chance and test an unproven market without any kind of data to fly to CLT or PHL. So...2015 looks flat as of now, unless something drastic changes. I would even take Navajos to PIT to try and get more pax through TOL. lol
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Fri Nov 21, 2014 4:13 pm

I was hoping TOL might get at least once-daily from the new AA to CLT or PHL. I've never flown in commercially, but visited on a cross-country and it seemed like an easy-in, easy-out airport which would be much easier to use than DTW.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:03 pm

Breezy across the Buckeye State today! Looked like CAK and DAY got some CMH diversions earlier (if FlightAware is to be believed).
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:29 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 61):
Breezy across the Buckeye State today! Looked like CAK and DAY got some CMH diversions earlier (if FlightAware is to be believed).

It was very windy in Central Ohio today.. Scary at times, I'm surprised I still have power at home.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:25 am

Quoting miaami (Reply 53):
Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 52):I don't think the AA/US schedules are finalized past 09FEB15 yet. After looking at the Jan schedule it looks like the planes for LAX and PHX swap at CMH. Inbound does LAX-CMH-PHX and the outbound does PHX-CMH-LAX. The times for the PHX flights remain the same in Feb so it quite possibly is just a schedule update error.

The CMH-LAX nonstop is indeed continuing thru Feb/Mar 2015 on LUS A319, and as of 29MAR15 will be operated again on LAA 738 daily.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:01 pm

Quoting miaami (Reply 63):
The CMH-LAX nonstop is indeed continuing thru Feb/Mar 2015 on LUS A319, and as of 29MAR15 will be operated again on LAA 738 daily.

That's a relief. Hopefully DL and AA can continue to make the route work for their respective network needs.

Anybody know why the Delta interactive route map is showing CMH-MIA nonstop? I can't find it as a weekly nonstop like CMH-MCO/CUN/TPA/RSW; maybe it's a one-time flight akin to CMH-SLC for the Thanksgiving holiday rush?
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:04 pm

After a long absence, DL will be operating a 757 on one of the CMH-ATL flights starting in Jun 2015
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:45 am

Quoting flyCMH (Reply 64):
Anybody know why the Delta interactive route map is showing CMH-MIA nonstop? I can't find it as a weekly nonstop like CMH-MCO/CUN/TPA/RSW; maybe it's a one-time flight akin to CMH-SLC for the Thanksgiving holiday rush?

I answered my own question. It looks like MIA will join CMH-TPA/RSW/MCO/CUN list of Saturday-only service starting 11APR15:

Delta 7303 Columbus (CMH) 9:00am Miami (MIA) 11:45am E170

Also in April, mainline returns from its seasonal hiatus on the CMH-MSP route (as opposed to June) and a CMH-RDU frequency gets upped to a CR7.

Quoting miaami (Reply 65):
After a long absence, DL will be operating a 757 on one of the CMH-ATL flights starting in Jun 2015

Certainly a welcomed upgauge, assuming the aircraft type sticks through the schedule tweaks that are sure to take place between now and then. I honestly cannot recall the last time DL had regular 75 service into CMH.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:59 am

Quoting miaami (Reply 65):
After a long absence, DL will be operating a 757 on one of the CMH-ATL flights starting in Jun 2015

Are you sure that's not just a placeholder schedule? Please tell me it's not a placeholder schedule. The 757 is a quality ride into/out of CMH.

Quoting flyCMH (Reply 66):
I honestly cannot recall the last time DL had regular 75 service into CMH.

I took one CMH-ATL in October 2011, and I think they came to town in 2012. They made fairly regular appearances starting when FL came to town through about 2012.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:37 pm

The Delta interactive route map also shows CMH-SLC.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:37 pm

Quoting cmhsrq (Reply 68):
The Delta interactive route map also shows CMH-SLC

The flight is a one-time deal; today to be exact. For the past 2 years DL has run a one-time only CMH-SLC nonstop on the Sunday after Thanksgiving. They run the same service to several other markets across the country today well. I certainly would not mind it becoming a permanent fixture on their route map though.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:11 am

Quoting flyCMH (Reply 69):

IIRC didn't DL use one of their first E70's on property to do an SLC turn way back when? I feel like I remember reading that was a route they ran, thinking the plane was right-sized for the route, but the story (again if memory serves) was that in reality the E70 really didn't have the legs to do it reliably so they dropped CMH-SLC. Seems like a classic case where they (DL) just don't see a market using the a/c it would take (that they see it as a sub-100 seat/day market but they would have to dedicate mainline to do it).
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:11 am

With regard to airline clubs, here is what I recall going back 30 years in Ohio Airports:

DAY: TW, PI (US)
CMH:TW, HP. Did US once have a club?
CVG: DL, TW, AA
CLE: UA, AA, US, CO, NW
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:16 am

That flight doesn't even leave CMH until 8:30PM and get into SLC until like 10PM local time. Is there a connection bank at SLC that late people can connect to?

I'd like to know how DL did on CMH-SLC when they ran it, because it bounced from an E70 (might have been S5's first E70 route for DL) to an M90 to a CR9 at the end.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:18 am

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 70):
IIRC didn't DL use one of their first E70's on property to do an SLC turn way back when?

I think it was the first E170 route and ran SLC-CMH-JFK each way.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Mon Dec 01, 2014 1:21 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 72):

I'd like to know how DL did on CMH-SLC when they ran it, because it bounced from an E70 (might have been S5's first E70 route for DL) to an M90 to a CR9 at the end.

I think that's just it, and where I was trying to go with the last sentence: it proved to be too much distance to do consistently on an E70 without penalty (hence the eventual upgauge to mainline) but they found there wasn't enough demand at sufficient yields to justify mainline on an opportunity cost basis. So they gave it a last shot with the CR9, then what we have now.

Just my two cents from "reading the tea leaves", but IMHO if it were doing well for them they would have put more effort into it. In truth I can't say there are a ton of destinations they can't cover pretty well between DTW/MSP and with onward connectivity from the LAX flight. Also UA probably has a lot of the Mountain West connections locked up via DEN, so they may have the "mindshare" in that market that DL hasn't yet been able to break.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Mon Dec 01, 2014 9:46 pm

Delta's first 757 entered service 30 years ago today. The routing? ATL-BHM-DAY.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:01 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 75):
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:45 am

A Delta 757-300 had smoke in the cockpit and diverted in this evening to TOL. Must have been a bit of smoke in order to not make it back to DTW.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...2/history/20141205/0035Z/KDTW/KTOL
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:02 am

FWIW, YNG is having its best year in 2 decades. The percentages in parenthesis represent percentage changes over the corresponding month in 2013.

January: 8,478 (58% increase)
February: 8,070 (52% increase)
March: 10,193 (49% increase)
April: 8,501 (37% increase)
May: 11,067 (42% increase)
June: 18,164 (46% increase)
July: 17,978 (53% increase)
August: 11,626 (41% increase)
September: 6,513 (32% increase)
October: 6,560 (12% increase)
November: 9,291 (8% decrease)
Total Thru November: 116,441 total passengers (24% increase)
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Sun Dec 07, 2014 1:51 am

A GPU caught fire under a WN 737 at CMH.

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/...us-fire-under-southwest-plane.html

Here's another article about CMH's quest to land SFO and LHR service. The most interesting thing I find is a proposed light rail line connecting downtown to the airport.

http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/...ish-list-for-nonstop.html?page=all
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:52 am

Quoting YNGguins (Reply 78):
FWIW, YNG is having its best year in 2 decades. The percentages in parenthesis represent percentage changes over the corresponding month in 2013.

Glad to know that. Hope YNG can eventually get a legacy carrier.
Separately, its about time the 7th most populous state gets notice about it's less than stellar airline service which includes one daily international flight excluding Toronto, Cancun and Punta Cana (like every other medium sized market in the Midwest) which leaves from Kentucky. In total the daily flights throughout the entire state might be equal to what? UA SFO or DEN? AA MIA? or around maybe half of AA CLT ops? Must be nice for all the surrounding megahubs and their local economies.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:17 am

and the "rust belt" promoters can start by explaining the following:
http://www.bls.gov/web/metro/laummtrk.htm
especially ATL and CLT
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:35 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 55):
I bet they'll be rolling in it if there are lots of OSU trips to the Sugar Bowl down the line.

Well, given today's announcement, I wonder if we'll see G4 metal on LCK-MSY a little earlier than expected.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:03 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 82):
Well, given today's announcement, I wonder if we'll see G4 metal on LCK-MSY a little earlier than expected.

My guess is we'll see G4 metal flying LCK-MSY for the event regardless of whether they move up the start-up date. They've been pretty active in providing aircraft on a charter basis for sporting events, including for past OSU bowl games.

Given Buckeye Nation's propensity for travel, I imagine there will be a few flights heading down to MSY before 01JAN15. If history is an indication, there will probably be a few runs flown by G4, SX, and LL out of LCK. From CMH, WN will likely fly some extra sections down to MSY. DL might send an extra section as well.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Tue Dec 09, 2014 4:10 pm

DL sent an ERJ one year and, I believe, a 757 another time.

CLE just got B6 to BOS twice daily. I've wanted to see them come back to CMH since they left the last time. You can't tell me they couldn't make FLL flights work if NK doesn't try them first.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:11 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 84):
DL sent an ERJ one year and, I believe, a 757 another time.

Indeed. Here's hoping for a repeat of the latter  
Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 84):
CLE just got B6 to BOS twice daily. I've wanted to see them come back to CMH since they left the last time. You can't tell me they couldn't make FLL flights work if NK doesn't try them first.

You and me both. Unfortunately B6 at CMH was doomed for multiple reasons: the country plunging into recession, the Valentine's Day Massacre of 2007, E190 teething problems, the hassles associated with the construction of T5, and the CRAA's and City of Columbus focusing every ounce of attention to the Skybus fiasco.

It is my sincere hope that B6 does well in CLE. A successful introduction into the Great Lakes/Midwest would be fantastic and could result in CMH being at least considered once again as a potential Blue City.

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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:17 pm

Looks like AA is all-mainline to DFW presently, with two RONs.

On that note, the Great CMH Gate Shuffle of 2014 appears to be continuing. PMAA moved to the newly-created B19 and B21 a month or so ago, along with appearing to claiming B20 and B25 as its own. Now it appears UA has kept B28 and slid down to B32, B34, B35 (ex-AA), with AC taking B36. B33's jetway looked to be gone the last time I was there.

This stuff fascinates me and I don't know why.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:26 pm

The Dispatch printed a story on planned Sugar Bowl charter:

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...ts-to-serve-osu-football-fans.html

Both US and DL will be offering extra sections. Both will depart CMH on 31DEC14 and return from MSY 02JAN15:


USAirways 1906
10:00 AM CMH
11:25 AM MSY
2h 25m
321


Delta 8803 CMH
9:00AM
31 Dec 2014 MSY
10:20AM
31 Dec 2014 MD-88
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:08 pm

Quoting flyCMH (Reply 87):
Both US and DL will be offering extra sections. Both will depart CMH on 31DEC14 and return from MSY 02JAN15:


USAirways 1906
10:00 AM CMH
11:25 AM MSY
2h 25m
321


Delta 8803 CMH
9:00AM
31 Dec 2014 MSY
10:20AM
31 Dec 2014 MD-88

I was told yesterday thatWN CMH picked up 4 charters to MSY for the Sugar Bowl.

[Edited 2014-12-12 06:21:18]

[Edited 2014-12-12 06:22:26]
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:10 pm

Interestingly enough, the return DL MSY-CMH is a 737-700.

Do they plan on some fans not making it back?  
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:24 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 75):
Delta's first 757 entered service 30 years ago today. The routing? ATL-BHM-DAY.

Wow thanks for that interesting tidbit. That sounds like a holdover route from regulation, when DL had a good bit of non-hub presence headed to the south. Was that a legacy route that operated with a DC-8-50 before the 757s came? I know that DL ran both short and stretch -8s into DAY in the 1970s.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:13 pm

Quoting YNGguins (Reply 78):
FWIW, YNG is having its best year in 2 decades. The percentages in parenthesis represent percentage changes over the corresponding month in 2013.

I know I've driven to YNG twice now in the past month to pick up family flying to/from Florida. While I hate to make the trip the prices have been great on Allegiant! That's saying a lot considering I live 5 mins from CAK and do 90% of my flying from there. Allegiant has been very good at poaching passengers from not only NE Ohio but PA as well based on the license plates I have seen in the airport parking lot.

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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:46 am

when the New CMH opened in 1958 replacing their terminal on E 5th Avenue there was the C gates where you had to go
ouside behind a fenced area to board the plane.I believe there were 2 or 3 gates there used by Lake Central(Allegheny
after 1968) and Piedmont.That area was in front of the Dobbs house restaurant..
There was concourse B.Gates B2,4 and 6 were TWA and B8 was United.Gates B1 and 3 were American Airlines,later
B1 was used by North Central and American was only left with B3.B5 was Eastern and B7 was used by both TWA and United.
I remember Gate B2 was closed off and the area was used as a security checkpoint.

Now Gate area A which was used by Delta and there was only one gate A1 later A2 was added to the north of the baggage
claim area where passengers had a bigger waiting lounge then A3 was added with a jetway.
This was before CMH got a complete facelift in 1980.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:22 am

I'm glad to see G4 be able to make a go of it at some of the smaller Ohio airports. YNG was dead before they came to town and it appears they've done well there, with TOL a similar story.

LCK is another good example. I have a friend/employer who travels to St. Pete monthly & he's forsaken WN for G4 because of not only the convenience of PIE as opposed to TPA, but the fare. He's fairly discerning, so for a ULCC to impress him must mean they're doing something right.

I'd imagine an LCK-SFB trip on G4 will be in my future at some point.

Quoting doulasc (Reply 92):
Now Gate area A which was used by Delta and there was only one gate A1 later A2 was added to the north of the baggage
claim area where passengers had a bigger waiting lounge then A3 was added with a jetway.
This was before CMH got a complete facelift in 1980.

Was this the gate area used by America West Express in the mid-90s? There was a small gate area (which I never remember going to, just seeing on maps in HP's magazine) which must have been taken down/repurposed before Concourse C opened in 1995.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:22 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 84):
CLE just got B6 to BOS twice daily. I've wanted to see them come back to CMH since they left the last time.

At the time of the JetBlue Investors' Day Conference, I was told that JetBlue publicly stated they were "looking into CLE, MSP, and CMH" for new service. I listened to the conference and never heard this said, but I trust my source. Since then CLE has come true and MSP seems like a certainty, given that they previously said they would add about 50 flights to BOS.

B6 also said they have learned lessons in how to best operate the E190 on 400-700 mile routes. That coupled with lower fuel prices says to me there is a strong possibility they'll be back in CMH by summer.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:35 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 94):
At the time of the JetBlue Investors' Day Conference, I was told that JetBlue publicly stated they were "looking into CLE, MSP, and CMH" for new service. I listened to the conference and never heard this said, but I trust my source. Since then CLE has come true and MSP seems like a certainty, given that they previously said they would add about 50 flights to BOS.

B6 also said they have learned lessons in how to best operate the E190 on 400-700 mile routes. That coupled with lower fuel prices says to me there is a strong possibility they'll be back in CMH by summer.

Everyone 2 hrs. south on I-71 can only hope. It sounds promising, but my inner airline pessimist says it likely won't happen in the near future. There's lower hanging fruit in destinations such as MSP and ATL. I could see a return to BNA before CMH. Though I hope the folks at the CRAA are at B6's doorstep aiming to prove me wrong.

In other news, Cargolux begins nonstop LCK-LUX this week. A European export route has been on the CRAA's wish list for some time now:

http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/...t-as-global-gateway-for-cargo.html
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:08 pm

Quoting flyCMH (Reply 95):
There's lower hanging fruit in destinations such as MSP and ATL.

B6 is currently operating the E190 on routes that they admit are too long for that plane; their goal is to use some of their new 2015 Airbus deliveries to get the 190s off those long routes. While they might want to add BOS-MSP/ATL, both those cities are outside the E190's 400-700 mile optimal route length (as defined by B6 in public statements).

What unserved city within a 700 mile radius of BOS would be a better deal for them than CMH? You might make an argument for IND or CVG, but I think there's reason to be optimistic in this case.
 
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:22 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 96):
What unserved city within a 700 mile radius of BOS would be a better deal for them than CMH? You might make an argument for IND or CVG, but I think there's reason to be optimistic in this case.

DL is the only game in town on CMH-BOS right now and, at last check, it was on a pair of ERJs. I like the 145, but I'd imagine B6's product on the E-190 is superior.

CMH-JFK's a little more crowded, with AA and DL, but I'd imagine that's the case on a number of similar routes.

If B6 came to CMH AND started the long-rumored DAB service, I'd love to give them a shot.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:50 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 97):
CMH-JFK's a little more crowded, with AA and DL, but I'd imagine that's the case on a number of similar routes.

Look at the big picture when it comes to CMH - NYC flights. Add in EWR, LGA, and JFK. Something like 23 non-stops a day. It's no wonder that B6 couldn't make it work.
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RE: The Rest Of Ohio (CMH/DAY/TOL/CAK/YNG) Thread

Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:54 pm

Quoting cmhsrq (Reply 98):
Look at the big picture when it comes to CMH - NYC flights. Add in EWR, LGA, and JFK. Something like 23 non-stops a day. It's no wonder that B6 couldn't make it work.

I've noticed a similar pattern at CVG, there is somehow enough demand for the respective hub tenants to hit each of the three, but also for DL to continue running multiple daily CVG-EWR. I'm a bit surprised DL maintains a presence on the EWR flight, but that must mean there is enough room that UA can't run them off entirely. In any event, the legacies seem to have these places well covered such that I'm not sure B6 could elbow in without a bloodbath ensuing.

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