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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:34 pm

Why are US officials much nicer in Ireland than in the US? If UK people find it such a problem going through US immigration in the US, why is it so much easier in Ireland when the same American officials are staffing the checkpoint?

[Edited 2014-11-04 11:18:32] Has the Irish Charm rubbed off on them and turned them all into nice friendly Irish folk?

[Edited 2014-11-04 11:20:27]
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:42 pm

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 90):
Although if you are arguing for an ATL flight, I think that may work, however I'm sure DL would price/force them out of market! My guess (if we're excluding DFW) is MIA.

Yes, I did mean that people from SAV would use a flight from ATL to Ireland. SAV will put the ATL-Ireland trip "over the top".

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 98):
Could pre-clearance make that big a difference in how people purchase TATL flights?

Yes, which is one of the reasons why Ethiopian is doing the DUB stop on ADD-LAX.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:52 pm

Quoting freshside3 (Reply 102):
Yes, which is one of the reasons why Ethiopian is doing the DUB stop on ADD-LAX.

As far as I know, Ethiopian will not avail of preclearance facilities in DUB
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:07 pm

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 98):
EI's US destination decisions seem to be driven a lot more by business connections (e.g. tech industry for SFO) and tourism (e.g. MCO) than the Irish expat community. Although I'm sure the expat community make up a significant portion of flights to/from BOS, JFK, ORD, I would guess that those destinations are mostly bolstered by business connections and tourism to/from Ireland.

San Francisco has a large contingent of Irish expatriates, as well.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:18 pm

Quoting ei912 (Reply 103):
As far as I know, Ethiopian will not avail of preclearance facilities in DUB

I was presuming that, because I can't think of any other reason why ET would need a DUB stop. No real local demand for ADD-DUB. Having a stop in MXP or ATH would make more sense than DUB, other than the pre-clearance.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:06 pm

Anyone know what time this press conference is on tomorrow?

Quoting ei912 (Reply 103):
As far as I know, Ethiopian will not avail of preclearance facilities in DUB
Quoting freshside3 (Reply 105):
I was presuming that, because I can't think of any other reason why ET would need a DUB stop. No real local demand for ADD-DUB. Having a stop in MXP or ATH would make more sense than DUB, other than the pre-clearance.

Apparently they are working on getting preclearance for the 2016 summer season (if the route is still operating by then). The reason they will not have it next year is because ET504 will depart outside of preclearance operating hours (06:30).
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:11 pm

Don't you all know that it's still American immigration in Dublin clearing you non-US folks? Is the fact that these people are not in the US mean that somehow they have the charm of the Irish and are 'nicer'? I doubt it. It's still the same old surly folks, i've been through there. The only benefit is the lack of queues.

[Edited 2014-11-04 12:12:01]

[Edited 2014-11-04 12:14:59]
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:17 pm

It's more that people aren't tired when dealing with then than anything else . It's very easy to get someone's back up when they've just flown 8 hours, but after
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:42 pm

Whatever, they are the same in Dublin as they are in NYC. No amount of eating Irish lucky charms have helped them transform into the nice Irish immigration officials.

[Edited 2014-11-04 12:42:53]
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:39 am

The word is out, it's IAD (again). !
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:10 am

Quoting PenPusher (Reply 109):
The word is out, it's IAD (again). !

Source?
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:24 am

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2014/1105/656997-aer-lingus/

Came out with the 7am management statement. IAD confirmed.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:41 am

As expected the safe option. Still we will see how they do this time around !
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:25 am

Quoting expandJFK (Reply 108):

Thats not true. In Dublin the man didn't even ask us many questions instead he was quite nice and told us all about us job. They are DEFINITELY nicer.
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:26 am

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 111):

YAY. How exciting. Not could they not have done something different for once.
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:48 am

So the transatlantic expansions appears to look a bit like this;

DUB-IAD operated by A330-200 4x weekly.
DUB-JFK additional daily flight operated by 757.
DUB-YYZ 4 of 7 weekly flights upgauged to A330-200.
DUB-SFO daily A330-200 service.
DUB-MCO 4x weekly A330.
DUB-BOS 2x daily A330.
DUB-ORD 11x weekly A330 service.

SNN-BOS daily upgauged to Boeing 767 for 12 week peak summer period.
SNN-JFK 6 weekly 757 service.

Really hope the 767 is painted in full Aer Lingus colours!

http://corporate.aerlingus.com/media...4_Interim_Management_Statement.pdf
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:02 am

Is the 767 going to be a 'Contractors' operated jet like the 757 is?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:12 am

A new ad for the route on their website.

http://www.aerlingus.com/washington/
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:26 am

Quoting cipango (Reply 117):

Nice ad in fairness. Does this mean the codeshare on the UA flights to IAD will be dropped? Also, will the early morning departure to JFK pre clear? I didn't think it opened until 7.30am!
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:33 am

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 111):
Came out with the 7am management statement. IAD confirmed.

Probably a good choice, with UA partnership. Seems a nice and safe option, should serve them well.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:48 am

Quoting expandJFK (Reply 100):
Why are US officials much nicer in Ireland than in the US?

I don't know, but they are. The US officials are also much nicer in Canada than in the US (from my experience of YYZ, YUL and YHZ). Perhaps the ones going abroad have to pass a "niceness" test that the ones left behind fail?  
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:54 pm

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 120):
The US officials are also much nicer in Canada than in the US (from my experience of YYZ, YUL and YHZ). Perhaps the ones going abroad have to pass a "niceness" test that the ones left behind fail?

Could be thanks to cultural differences, something about the refreshing, different culture abroad gets them to ease up.
I"m not sure how customs shifts are handled in the US, but it could also be a difference in workload, since a preclearance officer seems likely to deal with fewer flights going out to the US, than tons of flights coming in to the US. Might be interesting to compare the 'niceness' of customs officers at a main airport like JFK or LAX, and then compare them to a much smaller (and rarer) one with little intl service like SJC, BWI, CVG, AUS, OAK, PIT, PDX.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:52 pm

SFO ... YYZ ... now IAD ....

is it just me or they're setting themselves up for eventual entry into Star ?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:27 pm

Quoting psa1011 (Reply 73):

SFO is not working?
Quoting Miami (Reply 74):
? Aer Lingus is currently serving SFO.

Tells you how in tuned I am with SFO. Didn't EI leave SFO for a while?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:32 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 123):
Tells you how in tuned I am with SFO. Didn't EI leave SFO for a while?

Yes, in '09 IIRC. So much traffic on that route is tech that the downturn caused the lapse. I interact with their crew in SF and it seems the route is performing well beyond expectations.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:46 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 123):
Tells you how in tuned I am with SFO. Didn't EI leave SFO for a while?

They leaft it in 2009 as part of their restructuring program.

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 122):
is it just me or they're setting themselves up for eventual entry into Star ?

Not anytime soon at least. CEO has repeatedly stated that non-alliance and specific partnership deal offer more benefit to EI.

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 120):
I don't know, but they are. The US officials are also much nicer in Canada than in the US
Quoting S75752 (Reply 121):
Could be thanks to cultural differences, something about the refreshing, different culture abroad gets them to ease up.

I would hazard a guess that its a workload/stress thing. CBP officials at JFK for instance are at the sharp end of the workload. Lots of issues everyday with languages, refused entry, angry customers etc
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:31 pm

Quoting freshside3 (Reply 103):
San Francisco has a large contingent of Irish expatriates, as well.

I'm sure it does, but I'm still fairly confident that the main reason the SFO route was rebooted was the tech industry connections between Dublin and San Fran. Lots of tech firms have major outposts in the Dublin area: Facebook, Google, Intel, Dropbox... the list goes on and on.

I've seen the expat argument in a lot of threads on EI. However, Irish expats just don't fly to Ireland that often - at least not enough to fill a daily flight. It's more about business and tourism.

Quoting by738 (Reply 98):


Quoting Btriple7,reply=97:
Could pre-clearance make that big a difference in how people purchase TATL flights?

Most definitely, UK travellers are fed up with being treated rudely like animals in US immigration. Hence why Global Entry applications have skyrocketted and there are discussions about further pre-clearance in the future for perhaps LHR.

Pre-clearance may be enough to persuade a few frequent TATL travelers to fly via DUB, but I'm still very skeptical that pre-clearance alone increases the passenger load enough to justify a new route.

Quoting PenPusher (Reply 109):
The word is out, it's IAD (again). !

Well this is a surprise! Third time's the charm, I guess. I would love to hear EI's reasoning behind this. Perhaps the Washington routes were always somewhat profitable during the 2000s, but maybe because they didn't have as much capacity back then and perhaps because the margins on the additional JFK routes were better, they decided to pull out. Does anyone know for sure whether EI lost money on the IAD/BWI routes in the past?




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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:10 pm

SFO-DUB ... Or as I call it : Apple Tax Evasion Express
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:16 pm

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 126):
Well this is a surprise! Third time's the charm, I guess.

Interestingly, this is EI's fourth time trying to make Washington work. I just posted this history of the route on the Irish thread:

- 6th September 2000: EI launches DUB-SNN-BWI
- 27th October 2001: BWI along with EWR routes are cut in aftermath of 9/11
- 30th March 2003: EI relaunches DUB-SNN-BWI
- 01st December 2004: EI ceases ops on the route as it transforms into a low-cost operation
- 05th August 2007: EI launches DUB-IAD in the wake of Open Skies
- 24th October 2009: EI closes DUB-IAD (along with DUB-SFO and SNN-ORD) citing growing financial uncertainties

http://www.independent.ie/business/o...timore-international-26114146.html
http://irishecho.com/2011/02/baltimo...e-gets-back-on-aer-lingus-track-5/
http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2002/1022/31177-aerlingus/
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/200...ingus-bwi-airport-national-airline
http://corporate.aerlingus.com/media...ressreleases07/title,11238,en.html
http://www.aerlingus.com/Corporate/EIALR300410.pdf
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:27 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 128):
Interestingly, this is EI's fourth time trying to make Washington work. I just posted this history of the route on the Irish thread:

- 6th September 2000: EI launches DUB-SNN-BWI
- 27th October 2001: BWI along with EWR routes are cut in aftermath of 9/11
- 30th March 2003: EI relaunches DUB-SNN-BWI
- 01st December 2004: EI ceases ops on the route as it transforms into a low-cost operation
- 05th August 2007: EI launches DUB-IAD in the wake of Open Skies
- 24th October 2009: EI closes DUB-IAD (along with DUB-SFO and SNN-ORD) citing growing financial uncertainties

Damn! I think this whole drama of a new East Coast destination and announcements on Wednesday sound like a hype now. They should have just said, "I'm back with my girlfriend" 
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:25 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 128):
- 24th October 2009: EI closes DUB-IAD (along with DUB-SFO and SNN-ORD) citing growing financial uncertainties

Were they partnered with UA back then as well?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:31 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 127):
SFO-DUB ... Or as I call it : Apple Tax Evasion Express

'

Don't forget Google, they have a big operation in DUB as well.

I should know, used to work on that account
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:19 am

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 127):
SFO-DUB ... Or as I call it : Apple Tax Evasion Express

Apple's operations in Ireland centre around ORK...

Quoting S75752 (Reply 130):
Were they partnered with UA back then as well?

Not to the current level

[Edited 2014-11-05 16:21:26]
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:38 am

Quoting EIDL (Reply 132):

Not to the current level

I'd think that's the real reason it didn't work, then. UA can be a valuable partner to have!
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:40 am

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 126):
I'm still fairly confident that the main reason the SFO route was rebooted was the tech industry connections between Dublin and San Fran. ........
I've seen the expat argument in a lot of threads on EI. However, Irish expats just don't fly to Ireland that often - at least not enough to fill a daily flight. It's more about business and tourism.

Business yields rather than the auld sod market was the deciding factor. The tech sector guarantees break even (if not profit) on this route.

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 126):
Perhaps the Washington routes were always somewhat profitable during the 2000s, but maybe because they didn't have as much capacity back then and perhaps because the margins on the additional JFK routes were better, they decided to pull out. Does anyone know for sure whether EI lost money on the IAD/BWI routes in the past?

There's a nail and you hit it on the top bit........

As regards previous EI routes to the DC area....well BWI was a stop gap that was dropped when everyone dropped routes. The in 2009 IAD was dropped (along with LAX and SFO) in favour of higher yielding route to BOS,JFK and ORD.
This time I would expect the relationship with United and the good connections with the EI shorthaul network will make it a safe option. (up until early 2010 EI did not actively market connectivity between their s/h and l/h networks.....the CEO up till 2008 was an incompetant fool who had never held full exec position before...but that's another story)
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:57 am

That's good.. now let's see if it lasts longer than a couple of years this time !
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:48 am

IAD makes sense, ties in with UA (as long as UA keeps a hub at IAD, but that's another topic).
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Announce New US City

Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:00 am

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 127):

You may not have heard - the Irish Government just closed that tax loophole.

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