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MAN News 53

Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:50 pm

Link from Man News 52 - MAN News 52 - New Cargo Ops (by david_itl Jul 2 2014 in Civil Aviation)?

Thought it was time to start the next thread!

Both of AA's flights from MAN to ORD and JFK are being upgraded from B757 to B767. Nice to see some more widebodies back across the Atlantic. I'm assuming the PHL flight will stay as an A330? Does anyone know if these flights will eventually be all B787's? Would be nice for AA to add MIA as well.

Anyone have any other developments at MAN?
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:13 am

As we all know, there's CX starting in just over a month, can't wait for that!   
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:14 am

Ye olde Metrolink line started on Monday, a year ahead of schedule though it's not operating into the city centre yet and a 4th railway platform is on the way.

TK boosting capacity around Christmas and New Year with A330s appearing on selected flights (and on a couple of occasion, there will be 2 A330s a day)

Jet2 leasing in an Air Asia A330 next year.

1st daylight Aegean service to ATH is today  
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:54 am

Quoting EK17 (Reply 1):
As we all know, there's CX starting in just over a month, can't wait for that!

Me too. Anyone know what the bookings are like? Will we see it going daily anytime next year?

Quoting david_itl (Reply 2):
TK boosting capacity around Christmas and New Year with A330s appearing on selected flights (and on a couple of occasion, there will be 2 A330s a day)

Great news. I can see one of these flights going daily all year round, it's very popular!
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:08 am

BA A380 G-XLEF arrived around an hour ago on diversion
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:05 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 4):
BA A380 G-XLEF arrived around an hour ago on diversion
LAX-LHR. Must have been urgent, it looks like it was past Birmingham before turning north.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GXLEF

Edit

Fog and low vis procedures. it would appear.

[Edited 2014-11-04 04:07:15]

[Edited 2014-11-04 04:07:31]
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RE: MAN News 53

Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:09 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 3):
I can see one of these flights going daily all year round, it's very popular!

Think it's more likely that there will be a 3rd daily flight as TK is trying to emulate EK in creating mulitple banks. It's just a question of when would it operate with 10.25 and 15.25 arrivals at the moment. Potential for it to be a nightstopper or arrive around 2025 with departure around 2125?

For comparison, LHR has these night time TK flights: arr 21:00 dept 22.30 and arr 22:15 dept 07.55
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:02 am

Quoting david_itl (Reply 6):
Think it's more likely that there will be a 3rd daily flight as TK is trying to emulate EK in creating mulitple banks. It's just a question of when would it operate with 10.25 and 15.25 arrivals at the moment. Potential for it to be a nightstopper or arrive around 2025 with departure around 2125?

For comparison, LHR has these night time TK flights: arr 21:00 dept 22.30 and arr 22:15 dept 07.55

Interesting! I guess having more flights is better for passengers than a larger aircraft. Only time will tell!
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:14 pm

New 3 weekly service to Oporto on easyJet announced.
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:25 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 8):

New 3 weekly service to Oporto on easyJet announced.


Nice. I read on here once that TP were planning on starting MAN-OPO due to the success of MAN-LIS. Two different markets, I'm sure, but any truth to this?
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:30 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 9):
Nice. I read on here once that TP were planning on starting MAN-OPO due to the success of MAN-LIS. Two different markets, I'm sure, but any truth to this?

Two different markets? Do you mean LIS and OPO or TP and U2?

Easyjet's strength and success is predicated on taking market share from the legacies. Therefore, if both carriers are on the route then they will both be in the market, particularly as there will be little feed through OPO.
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RE: MAN News 53

Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:59 pm

Something I didn't realise is TOM operating charters to Luxor this winter.



I've got memories of Egyptair doing weekly scheduled flights there,
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:27 am

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 10):
Two different markets? Do you mean LIS and OPO or TP and U2?

I meant LIS and OPO...
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:36 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 3):
Anyone know what the bookings are like? Will we see it going daily anytime next year?

Bookings apparently are very good, including several sold out flights over the Christmas/New Year period. I'm booked onto one, and apart from that anecdotal evidence, couldn't comment any further. I think many of us, including me and david_itl would be highly surprised if this service wasn't hugely successful. As for daily, who knows.....
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:33 am

As reported elsewhere (the laxative site I'm banned from and never intend returning to - insane moderation)

EZY are adding Pisa and Marseille from MAN for summer '15. They're also starting GLA - BOD and several places to and from STR. We could do with these two as well. I think I'm right in saying Germanwings pulled off STR....?
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:45 pm

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 14):
I think I'm right in saying Germanwings pulled off STR....?

They did. Think they got 4,000 to 5,000 passengers per month...frequency 5 or 6 a week. Scope for a service by BE or U2?
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:04 am

On my travels through the airport I regularly see a Flybe aircraft parked up at T1, usually at gate 3. Are Pax taken by bus to T3 or are they cleared at T1?
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:10 am

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 16):
On my travels through the airport I regularly see a Flybe aircraft parked up at T1, usually at gate 3.

AFAIK that gate is now linked to T3. I've used it before, you exit the plane, enter the terminal and turn right, as opposed to walking down pier B of T1.
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:46 am

Stands 1,3 ,16, 17 and 18 are connected to the T3 building and have been since they built the frontage some years back

Effectively they built a tunnel in front of the old magnificent T1 picture windows to accommodate bmi and Flybe/eastern commuter stands .

Stands 1 and 3 are separated from the rest of pier B traffic by a glass fire screen with emergency doors held on maglocks.

This in part contributes to the access/egress issues on pier B and narrowing at the entry points !

In days past stands 1 and 3 could accommodate 1-11/B732 size frames with ease however the encroachment of the tunnel means that the Dash is now about as big as is possible.

The gate alignment has also been altered from 90 degrees to get best usage.
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Sun Nov 09, 2014 6:35 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter):

Interesting about both JFK and ORD being 763 operated in the summer. Given the space constraints, is it going to be possible to accommodate both of these and the PHL A330 at the same time at T3?
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:42 pm

A320's frequently use stand 1.
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RE: MAN News 53

Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:49 am

Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 19):
Interesting about both JFK and ORD being 763 operated in the summer. Given the space constraints, is it going to be possible to accommodate both of these and the PHL A330 at the same time at T3?

I thought that too. Guess there's no chance of other OneWorld carriers going into T3 then? I don't understand why AY, for example, don't operate from T3 but AF and KL do? Would it not make more sense to put each alliance under one roof?

Guess there's no chance of QR and CX moving to T3?
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:36 pm

MAN need to do something with T1 first, the queues during the summer months in the mornings are terrible! Too many flights seem to be departing between 6.00-8.00/8.30 and there is always a rush then between security and the gates. Although in September when I went through T2 for a ZB flight, I was at check in for 10 mins but security for 90mins! Ran to the gate where boarding had started!
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:39 pm

Any news on EK upgrading their other flights to A380 or even possibly adding a 4th departure?
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:13 pm

Quoting Richards2K14 (Reply 22):
MAN need to do something with T1 first, the queues during the summer months in the mornings are terrible! Too many flights seem to be departing between 6.00-8.00/8.30 and there is always a rush then between security and the gates. Although in September when I went through T2 for a ZB flight, I was at check in for 10 mins but security for 90mins! Ran to the gate where boarding had started!

I completely agree!!!!
I sent a complaint in during the summer and all I got was a smart-ass reply saying it is Pax fault for not arriving 3 hours prior to their flight as is advised! They expected me to arrive at 03:35 for a 06:35 business flight to BRU for example!!!
MAN management gad no proper answer and nothing constructive to respond with.
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:43 pm

Although MAN is not seen as a hub like LHR, would there be a benefit of them doing a reshuffle of airlines to their respective alliances like LHR has?

So for example, perhaps something like:

T1: Star Alliance plus low-cost carriers, so:

Adria Airways
Aegean Airlines
Air Canada Rouge
Brussels Airlines
Egypt Air
Lufthansa
Scandinavian Airlines
Singapore Airlines
Swiss International Air Lines
TAP Air Portugal
Turkish Airlines
United Airlines

EasyJet
Germanwings
Monarch Airlines
Norwegian Air Shuttle
Ryanair
Vueling

T2: Skyteam, non-aligned and charter:

Air France
Delta Air Lines
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
Saudia

Aer Lingus
Air Malta
Belavia
Emirates
Etihad Airways
Icelandair
Libyan Airlines
Pakistan International Airlines
Virgin Atlantic

Thomas Cook Airlines
Thomson Airways

T3: OneWorld and Flybe

American Airlines
British Airways
Cathay Pacific
Finnair
Qatar Airways

Flybe

Would this work?
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:13 pm

I'm not entirely sure why people are obsessed with boxing airlines together at, like you say, a non hub airport.
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RE: MAN News 53

Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:28 pm

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 26):
I'm not entirely sure why people are obsessed with boxing airlines together at, like you say, a non hub airport.

It may be a 'non-hub' airport, but there will still be some pax transferring between various airlines and in the case of alliances, there must be some cost-cutting benefits by grouping them together.
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:05 pm

I'm thinking there's more value in keeping US carriers corralled together with their special security procedures after a single checkpoint.
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:02 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 27):
It may be a 'non-hub' airport, but there will still be some pax transferring between various airlines and in the case of alliances, there must be some cost-cutting benefits by grouping them together.

A very small number of pax connect through MAN away from BE and any cost saving would be minimal.

What is important is making sure that terminals are not under utilised or indeed put under too much pressure by distributing carriers and flights across the airport as opposed to a vanity project that synchronises tail fins in accordance to an airlines alliance and business model.
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RE: MAN News 53

Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:32 am

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 29):
What is important is making sure that terminals are not under utilised or indeed put under too much pressure by distributing carriers and flights across the airport as opposed to a vanity project that synchronises tail fins in accordance to an airlines alliance and business model.

I do agree with what you're saying, but I think there could still be some room for movement with some airlines where they have similar operations and could therefore swap to be with their alliances/partners.
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:53 pm

I read a few weeks ago on another forum that T2 was getting extended to allow some T1 carriers in, so T1 Pier C would be demolished and re-built, then the same for Pier B, the main buildings in T1 would have some major work done to allow T1/T3 to join up again and become one large terminal. And then in the long term a possible satellite terminal in between cargo ops and T2.
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:22 pm

"new" route... 2 daily weekday BOH-MAN by BE plus an extra IOM-MAN rotation from next May.
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:14 pm

Quoting Richards2K14 (Reply 31):

I read a few weeks ago on another forum that T2 was getting extended to allow some T1 carriers in, so T1 Pier C would be demolished and re-built, then the same for Pier B, the main buildings in T1 would have some major work done to allow T1/T3 to join up again and become one large terminal. And then in the long term a possible satellite terminal in between cargo ops and T2.

well this is fairly sensible. Some parts of T1 are not customer friendly. Depart from gate 22, 24, 26 and you have to descend very steep stairs to come back up again on the other side of arriving pax. I am yet to discover another airport with a similar arrangement! Arrive at gate 8 and again it is a huge embarrasment moving in and out of the pier, forwards and backwards partly under plastic sheet, before joining the main flow towards Border Control.
Extending T2 as was always planned, and to take pressure off T1 before the rebuild is sensible, if only they had started 4 years ago when the airport was 10 - 15% quieter and it might be nearly finished!!!
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:19 pm

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 33):

That pier wasn't so bad until they put those glass walls up to segregate arriving passengers from departing passengers. What was wrong with just putting up doors at the end of the corridors with big "NO ENTRY" and "ARRIVALS PASSENGERS ONLY" signs?
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:33 am

Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 34):
That pier wasn't so bad until they put those glass walls up to segregate arriving passengers from departing passengers. What was wrong with just putting up doors at the end of the corridors with big "NO ENTRY" and "ARRIVALS PASSENGERS ONLY" signs?

Ministry policies applied without reference to existing infrastructure -ie total segregation of arriving and departing international passengers .

Really is a nonsense.
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:54 am

Quoting david_itl (Reply 32):
"new" route... 2 daily weekday BOH-MAN by BE plus an extra IOM-MAN rotation from next May.

Isn't BOH too close to SOU to justify this flight? Or are they really two separate markets?
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:50 pm

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 33):

Not to mention arriving at gates 23 & 25 (unsure about 21) at Pier C when you have to go down the stairs after exiting the airbridge, just to go back up again!

For me in order of “problems”, the following should take priority for next summer’s rush:

• Security
• Baggage delivery times
• Immigration
• Check in (I only put this last as I’ve never had a bad enough experience in this area across all 3 terminals).
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:46 am

Quoting Richards2K14 (Reply 37):
Not to mention arriving at gates 23 & 25 (unsure about 21) at Pier C when you have to go down the stairs after exiting the airbridge, just to go back up again!

...and 27 too where I arrived yesterday! However the stairs on this route are of a standard design and not the steep ones that departing Pax have to endure when departing from 22, 24, 26.

Quoting Richards2K14 (Reply 37):

• Security
• Baggage delivery times
• Immigration
• Check in (I only put this last as I’ve never had a bad enough experience in this area across all 3 terminals).

I agree with security, however when in T1 13 out of 14 lanes are open but queues are still one hour long you have to question how the early departure banks are spread across the Terminals.
I would then put Immigration above baggage delivery, I have no idea how long baggage delivery actually takes because I am spending up to 30 minutes at Immigration so my bag is always waiting for me!!!
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:21 am

T3 gets more ePassport gates in time for next year.


Been 5 LBA divs this morning (KLM,. Stobart Air + 3 Flybe).

2 An124s currently in (departures... midday Sunday and midday Monday).

[Edited 2014-11-15 02:31:10]
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:47 pm

Flightradar24 indicating that White A320 CS-TRO arrived last Sunday evening at 7:50pm. No flight history since then. Anybody know whether it is still at MAN and if so, when it is scheduled to leave?

Thx, Paul
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RE: MAN News 53

Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:52 pm

Should be here until at least 11pm/midnight tomorrow. Brought Portugal to play Argentina at Old Trafford tomorrow.
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:01 pm

When are the taxiworks by T3 due to be completed? Does the A380 have to backtrack if landing on 05L?
RW 23R/05L closed at the end of this month at night? Is this for usual checks etc?
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:13 pm

Quoting Richards2K14 (Reply 42):
Does the A380 have to backtrack if landing on 05L? RW 23R/05L closed at the end of this month at night? Is this for usual checks etc?

It did that last Sunday when I was there and it will be.

Here's the top 10 MAN international routes from January to September this year.

1 Dubai
2 Palma de Mallorca
3 Tenerife
4 Dublin
5 Amsterdam
6 Alicante
7 Malaga
8 Dalaman
9 Paris Charles de Gaulle
10 Faro



DXB is on 596,000 passengers. 3 lots up to 60,000 passengers for Oct, Nov and Dec will see it over 750,000 passengers. You wonder when the button will be pushed for the upgrade of EK19/20 to an A380 and then the question of the 4th daily will probably need to be answered in 3 to 4 years.
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:08 am

Qatar Airways is going back to 2 daily from 16th Feb.

QR21/22 = a 0625 d 0755 Mon, Wed, Fri
QR23/24 = a 1225 d 1355 daily
QR25/26 = a 1800 d 1930 Tues, Thurs, Sat, Sun
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:17 am

Quoting david_itl (Reply 43):

The rumour I had heard was EK were looking at a potential 4th daily with a departure around midnight (or just before). That would make sense as they have other times of the day well covered, unless they squeeze a departure in between the EK18/20 with a STD of say 1600~.

I'm surprised the evening flight hasn't already seen an up gauge, I think one of the main factors will be the freight issue. If they up gauge the EK20 they need cargo space from somewhere else.

Good news about QR, that rumour was swirling around from early this year never thought it would happen!
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RE: MAN News 53

Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:06 pm

Anyone know if Air Blue are o return to MAN, its a rumor.
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:47 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 46):

I've heard that they are, at least that the plan. This is according to someone who works for them.
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RE: MAN News 53

Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:50 pm

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 45):
The rumour I had heard was EK were looking at a potential 4th daily with a departure around midnight (or just before).

If it follows the LHR pattern (which it seems to be doing), then we need to look at that schedule:

EK007/008 a 0710 d 0910
EK001/002 a 1135 d 1335
EK029/030 a 1335 d 1615
EK003/004 a 1815 d 2015
EK005/006 a 2000 d 2200

We're currently got this split (winter followed by summer)
EK021/022 a 0700 d 0845 a 0740 d 1000
EK017/018 a 1120 d 1320 a 1155 d 1405
EK019/020 a 1825 d 2010 a 1915 d 2100

I believe it will be a timing similar to that of EK29/30. Leaving at midnight doesn't appear to be optimising any connections
 
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RE: MAN News 53

Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:40 am

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 47):
I've heard that they are, at least that the plan. This is according to someone who works for them.

With what equipment? The A340s have returned to lessor. Going to use the A32x via Istanbul?

Would be great if AirBlue did come back!

Paul
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