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Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:19 am

Emirate has announced it will begin it's 4th daily flight to JFK. Beginning on March 8th, Emirates will send yet another A380 to JFK. Making it 3 A380s doing -DXB-JFK-DXB.

Emirates also has a flight from Milan to JFK.

Schedule:
EK 207 DXB-JFK 1450-2035
EK 208 JFK-DXB 1630-1315+1

Powerhouse at JFK!

http://www.transportweekly.com/pages/en/news/articles/112721/

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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:32 am

Quoting Miami (Thread starter):
Emirates also has a flight from Milan to JFK.

But not for long; the Italians have decided to axe EK's rights on this route, so it could still be just three flights, unless EK is ale to get the rights to operate via somewhere else.
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 11:40 am

Quoting Miami (Thread starter):
Schedule:
EK 207 DXB-JFK 1450-2035
EK 208 JFK-DXB 1630-1315+1

EK are keeping the aircraft for 20 hours on the ground at JFK ??
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:17 pm

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 2):

Nope, EK201 would return to DXB as EK208, while EK207 would return to DXB as EK202.
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:25 pm

This makes for a beautiful BLR-JFK connection:

EK565 BLR-DXB 10:25 - 13:00

EK207 DXB-JFK 14:50 - 20:35

Good stuff!
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:13 pm

Does this mean that EK will never go to EWR?
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:33 pm

You wonder how much capacity they can throw into a market...and then they throw some more.

Glad to see another 380 at JFK.

I am also glad to hear about the Italians giving them the ax on the MXP route.
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:49 pm

FYI full schedule after the new flight starts will be...
EK 203 DXB 0250 JFK 0825
EK 201 DXB 0830 JFK 1415
EK 205 DXB 0905 JFK 1900 (via MXP, arr 1310 dep 1500)
EK 207 DXB 1450 JFK 2035

EK 204 JFK 1120 DXB 0750+1
EK 208 JFK 1630 DXB 1315+1
EK 206 JFK 2220 DXB 2210+1 (via MXP, arr 1305 dep 1500)
EK 202 JFK 2300 DXB 1945+1

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 6):
You wonder how much capacity they can throw into a market...and then they throw some more.

The answer is: as long as people want to fly and are willing to pay a price which is higher than Emirates' operating costs

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 6):
I am also glad to hear about the Italians giving them the ax on the MXP route.

Why? Do you favour less competition and higher prices?
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:01 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 4):
This makes for a beautiful BLR-JFK connection:

EK565 BLR-DXB 10:25 - 13:00

EK207 DXB-JFK 14:50 - 20:35

Does EK currently not have good connectivity from BLR to JFK? What other routes will see improved connectivity with the fourth daily DXB-JFK flight?
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:13 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 7):

Why? Do you favour less competition and higher prices?

Yes!

AA/DL/AZ/UA all fly the route. More then enough competition. Since Emirates has entered the route, I can find fares of $600 in Y.


A state-backed airline that can bleed money on the route and cause everyone else on the route to lose money so you can fly TA cheaper than flying to California?


You favour that instead? I sure as hell don't. And I am proud to say that.
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:24 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
But not for long; the Italians have decided to axe EK's rights on this route, so it could still be just three flights, unless EK is ale to get the rights to operate via somewhere else.

That was my thoughts. When do the MXP rights expire.

Quoting Malayil (Reply 5):

Does this mean that EK will never go to EWR?

I am shocked EK doesn't serve EWR 2X/day by now with 77Ws or at least 77Ls to grab the premium traffic.

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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:34 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9):

You favour that instead? I sure as hell don't. And I am proud to say that.

BRAVO ! well said !

Just like I don't support those who want Canada to open all their skies for ME3 and have AC file for bankruptcy so they can save $100 on their annual trip back to LHE and CMB

It's a lot easier running an airline when the only fiduciary responsibility for shareholders is to the Crown
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:42 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9):
A state-backed airline that can bleed money on the route and cause everyone else on the route to lose money so you can fly TA cheaper than flying to California?


You favour that instead? I sure as hell don't. And I am proud to say that.

As a consumer, I use various methods to determine who I buy from. Price, quality of product, the company's ethics, etc all play into that decision. Honestly, a company's shareholders and profits are the least of my concerns and should be a low concerns for most consumers as well. Businesses should be able to manage themselves regardless of the environment they operate in. But if a business manages so lowly that I don't like their ethics, then that can go into my decision as well.

I'm happy that I have so many options as a consumer and no one is telling me that I have to buy things from a certain company so it can meet their ROI for its investors.
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:16 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9):
A state-backed airline that can bleed money on the route and cause everyone else on the route to lose money so you can fly TA cheaper than flying to California?

It's OK, I am no fan of Alitalia either. (Emirates, on the other hand, are a highly profitable airline who don't do anything for matters of state pride, they are in business to make money.)

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 10):
When do the MXP rights expire.

27 March 2015, alas.
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:29 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9):
A state-backed airline that can bleed money on the route and cause everyone else on the route to lose money so you can fly TA cheaper than flying to California?


You favour that instead? I sure as hell don't. And I am proud to say that.

I completely agree with this sentiment. This sort of issue is the exact reason why countries have regulation authorities- it's to protect the marketplace (whether that be a lack of competition or the wrong sort of competition that could endanger other companies in the marketplace).

EK will continue to face backlash until it decides to compete on equal terms.
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:29 pm

Just like I don't support those who want Canada to open all their skies for ME3 and have AC file for bankruptcy so they can save $100 on their annual trip back to LHE and CMB

It's a lot easier running an airline when the only fiduciary responsibility for shareholders is to the Crown
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Come now, Air Canada was privatised years ago. Its responsibility ultimately is to its shareholders. The responsibility to the Crown is pretty much its obligation to pay taxes.
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:33 pm

Quoting superjeff (Reply 15):
Come now, Air Canada was privatised years ago. Its responsibility ultimately is to its shareholders. The responsibility to the Crown is pretty much its obligation to pay taxes.

I do believe the OP was referring to EK and the UAE's Government, not AC and the Canadian government.
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:44 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9):
A state-backed airline that can bleed money on the route and cause everyone else on the route to lose money so you can fly TA cheaper than flying to California?
DL,UA,AA have all been through bankruptcy, shedding costs so they can fly a route for less, causing others to cut prices and lose money on routes. AZ taking state aid to keep going even though it is illegal under EU law. EK use the laws of its home nation to its advantage, as does DL,UA,AA using chapter 11 to their advantage. Why does SQ not receive the same derision , it is state backed as well.

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 11):
BRAVO ! well said !

Pot and kettle, IMHO, for reasons stated above.

[Edited 2014-11-06 09:35:22]
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:48 pm

Quoting Miami (Thread starter):
In ATL somebody just took a blood pressure pill.
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 10):

I thought we were in the middle of an ongoing war on that. I don't think EK has exhausted its legal options. EY's investment in AZ could also affect things in true,s of govt policy and court treatment in Italy.
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:49 pm

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 14):
EK will continue to face backlash until it decides to compete on equal terms.

Chapter 11 is also gives airlines an unfair advantage. Should the US airlines face a backlash also as they also are not competing on equal terms. Every airlines is probably helped in one way or another that another airline isn't.
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:51 pm

Quoting ncfc99 (Reply 17):
DL,UA,AA have call been through bankruptcy, shedding costs so they can fly a route for less, causing others to cut prices and lose money on routes. AZ taking state aid to keep going even though it is illegal under EU law. EK use the laws of its home nation to its advantage, as does DL,UA,AA using chapter 11 to their advantage. Why does SQ not receive the same derision , it is state backed as well.

Because they know the limits of how far they can go. The fact is they are trading with an unfair advantage that is damaging to the marketplace (i.e. eliminating airlines as an extreme). If they only flew domestically then it would not be an issue, but foreign regulatory authorities are in play here. If they see that they are a damaging company, action will be taken. Bravo to the Italian authorities for protecting competition for the long term.

And don't forget this does not only effect the USA carriers (in fact they are probably the most protected from EK as a result of EK's relatively small size in the Americas)- take BA, LH, AF/KL - they do not have chapter 11.

If SQ was adding 5th freedom from random places then I guarantee you, they would recieve the same thrashing by the competition authorities.
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:04 pm

Quoting superjeff (Reply 15):

Come now, Air Canada was privatised years ago. Its responsibility ultimately is to its shareholders. The responsibility to the Crown is pretty much its obligation to pay taxes.

I didn't mean the UK Crown. I was referring to the heads of states of ME3.
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:11 pm

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 20):
Because they know the limits of how far they can go.

The law is the limit to which most airlines/businesses go to, and then try and bend few too, all businesses, not just a select few to attempt to prove a point.

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 20):
The fact is they are trading with an unfair advantage that is damaging to the marketplace (i.e. eliminating airlines as an extreme).

EXACTLY, chapter 11 allows airlines to operate with an unfair advantage of less costs to pay, hence they damage the market.

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 20):
take BA, LH, AF/KL - they do not have chapter 11.

And the US airlines have a huge unfair advantage over them on TATL routes.

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 20):
If SQ was adding 5th freedom from random places then I guarantee you, they would recieve the same thrashing by the competition authorities.

Not that long ago SQ added SIN-MUC-MAN flights, I can't remember any thrashing of them by anyone.
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:37 pm

Quoting ncfc99 (Reply 22):
Not that long ago SQ added SIN-MUC-MAN flights, I can't remember any thrashing of them by anyone.

And SIN-BCN-GRU. And I, living in Barcelona, am extremely happy that they operate this route. Same I would be if suddenly EK decided to run DXB-BCN-ORD, for instance. Actually, PIA used to run ORD-BCN, continuing onto several cities in Pakistan until not so long ago. Again, nobody complained.
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:41 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 7):
Why? Do you favour less competition and higher prices?

After 5 daily, your choices will be only state owned carriers, then they jack up prices.
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:53 pm

US airlines flying from their home country to Europe vs a Middle Eastern airline flying US to Europe are two different animals altogether. That is why Emirates will be leaving the market next year.

BK car wash in US law absolutely is bs. Just like Alitalia, LOT ... all at deaths door. Yet never die.

When you globalize the world, you equalize everything. When you manufacture in China, they don't get pulled up to American factory worker benefits. The American factory worker gets pulled down to the lowest common denominator. Until they can't be pulled down any further...then they're just let go.

Call Center in India? Same thing. Why operate a Call Center in Indiana? Makes no sense.

Airlines are the epitome of globalization. They represented globalization before anyone knew what that word meant!

That is why there are protections in place in who can fly where/what/when/frequency/bilaterals/open skies etc.

Most of the defenders of Emirates have a British Flag next to their name.

Go to Dubai and rent a car. Drive out of the skyscrapers and look around. You want to live like that? Or do you want your pay and benefits, vacations and freedoms that you Europeans hold SO dear.

That is the fight with Emirates flying Europe to the US and carrying local passengers.

That is the fight with a Norwegian airline trying to operate a subsidiary with THIRD WORLD workers flying between Europe and the US.


You bring in THIRD WORLD wages and you start letting them fly between Britain and NY and the hundreds of thousands of people employed by your Flag Carriers now need to make THIRD WORLD wages to compete.

Oh...they can't do that in Britain? Let's start a subsidiary and base it in Ireland and do the same thing their doing! We'll call it British International Airways!


And that's good for you the consumer right?

Except guess what? When those companies and jobs (and entire airline industry) leave Britain for the subsidiary with THIRD WORLD wages...your economy is gonna go to the loo. And your gonna make less. And your gonna have to pay more for benefits. Because the fundamental economy of your country will change.


Look around you already:

How many ships are made in Liverpool these days?

Get on the Queen Mary and count the British waiters/bar tenders/help.

Who owns Cunard? Carnival! Based in Miami. With ships registered in Panama. With south east Asia crew. MAKING THIRD WORLD WAGES!


Good for the consumer right?

How's Liverpool doing?

How about South Hampton?

Good for them and their economy?
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:59 pm

Newbie question. Is most traffic going to India/Pakistan/etc on EK from JFK? How much is going to the far east and ME?
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:13 pm

Quoting ncfc99 (Reply 22):
EXACTLY, chapter 11 allows airlines to operate with an unfair advantage of less costs to pay, hence they damage the market.

I do not agree one bit with Chapter 11- but we are not talking about administration, we are talking about competition regulation. Chapter 11 does not give American carriers a different outlook on the market- they compete on price, just as airlines should. Chapter 11 does not mean you have no money- you need money to fund a CH11- but I stray from my original topic.

The fact of the matter is EK is bringing its subsidised cost structure (and its associated state benefits) to Italy on a route that has plenty of healthy competition on it already. They can therefore trash yields because finance is not as much of a concern as it is to the EU/American airlines and damage competition. That is anti-competitive. The real issue is EK entered a 5th freedom route that has healthy competition on it, when there was no market to serve- that is the sticking point.

I have no problem with EK operating flights to/from the UAE, but with its state benefits, it would be very short sighted by any country to grant them 5th freedom rights because of them.
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:14 pm

Quoting Enilria (Reply 18):
I thought we were in the middle of an ongoing war on that. I don't think EK has exhausted its legal options. EY's investment in AZ could also affect things in true,s of govt policy and court treatment in Italy.

That is correct. The high court decision is expected (although not guaranteed) for end of November so this is still ongoing at the moment. Being based in Milan again all I can say is that I hope they can keep their traffic rights to JFK as it is a good and viable option for passengers although being a oneworld FF I would most probably take AA anyways.

The entrance of EK in the MXP-JFK market has not driven the Y fares down as those 600$ fares were already available well before EK started the service on several non stop and one stop carriers. Let's also not forget that EK is doing very well in cargo loads on the MXP-JFK runs which should be taken in account when judging the profitability of a route and the market implication that it is creating.

EK is also heavily investing in Italy (MXP lounge, new MXP 380 flight starting in December etc) and as such I would not think that they are causing job losses or damage the competition. They have given lots of options to passengers looking to travel east and are also providing another option to travel west.
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Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:23 pm

Quoting expandJFK (Reply 26):
Newbie question. Is most traffic going to India/Pakistan/etc on EK from JFK? How much is going to the far east and ME?

Some to SE Asia, but super tiny slice going to NE Asia

Take an example : JFK-PVG nonstop is 7392mi, via DXB is 10,863mi, or 47% longer. That's a lot of distance added.

If MU/UA sells nonstop for $1100 and EK sells DXB at discount of $900. MU/UA can get a semi-respectable 7.4cpm while EK has to settle for a ridiculous 4.1cpm. That's capital destruction at its finest.
 
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Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:28 pm

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 27):
I do not agree one bit with Chapter 11- but we are not talking about administration, we are talking about competition regulation. Chapter 11 does not give American carriers a different outlook on the market- they compete on price, just as airlines should. Chapter 11 does not mean you have no money- you need money to fund a CH11- but I stray from my original topic.

Of course it gives an advantage to US carriers, some have been through it twice. It allows the company to break union contracts, transfer pension obligations to US taxpayer (this is a form of state aid), pay pennies on the dollar to many creditors and delay payment to vendors. And the airline industry has used it numerous times, unlike other industries in US, which generally do not go this route. If the US carriers were made to pay all the debts, even if it is delayed, not many would be in business now.
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:29 pm

Quoting Enilria (Reply 18):
Quoting wingflex744 (Reply 28):

Despite autocorrect I meant to say, that the AZ deal with EY could affect the way the govt/courts treat this. It could go either way depending upon whether they feel it establishes precedent that might hamstring EY.
 
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Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:30 pm

Quoting wingflex744 (Reply 28):
Let's also not forget that EK is doing very well in cargo loads on the MXP-JFK runs which should be taken in account when judging the profitability of a route and the market implication that it is creating.

There's not enough tea in China to make that flight profitable with cargo. On a related note, why are EK's MXPJFK stats not reported to the DOT along with all their other flights to the US from DXB?
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Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:31 pm

Whatever benefits you believe state-owned airlines benefit from, they pale into insignificance, when compared with multinational businesses, many ultimately US owned, using tax havens like the Caymans, Eire, Channel Islands, etc to avoid paying taxes. Add those that make extensive use of sweat shops. If true to your ethics and morals, you must spend a lot of time at home, walk everywhere, and have no electronic gadgets in the house.
 
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Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:50 pm

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 20):
If SQ was adding 5th freedom from random places then I guarantee you, they would recieve the same thrashing by the competition authorities.

Aren't all of SQ's flights to the U.S. 5th freedom via FRA/DME/ICN/NRT?
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:41 pm

This additional flight to JFK is EK's answer for the carriers who want to stop Emirates aggressive expansion in the United States. Way to go Emirates, Hello Tomorrow
 
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Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:53 pm

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 35):
This additional flight to JFK is EK's answer for the carriers who want to stop Emirates aggressive expansion in the United States. Way to go Emirates, Hello Tomorrow

This is the exact reason US airlines are petitioning the US government to limit EK's flights into the US.
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:06 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9):
AA/DL/AZ/UA all fly the route. More then enough competition. Since Emirates has entered the route, I can find fares of $600 in Y.
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9):
You favour that instead? I sure as hell don't.

You're nuts. $600 to Milan is AWESOME.

Quoting Malayil (Reply 5):
Does this mean that EK will never go to EWR?

Newark is very much under consideration as is additional frequencies in other current U.S./Canada markets. Along with the whole Emirates is going to just over the world, thing...
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:14 pm

Quoting maxamuus (Reply 36):
This is the exact reason US airlines are petitioning the US government to limit EK's flights into the US.

Of course. Spit the dummy out of the pram and cry for daddy to make the bogeyman go away.
 
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Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:19 pm

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 35):
This additional flight to JFK is EK's answer for the carriers who want to stop Emirates aggressive expansion in the United States. Way to go Emirates, Hello Tomorrow

Seriously, this is not Republic of South Africa for a judge to rule as per bilateral agreement. Face a county court judge here, you will know. I will leave at that.
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:21 pm

Full Emirates DXB-JFK-DXB schedule:

EK203 DXB0250 – 0825JFK 388 D
EK201 DXB0830 – 1415JFK 388 D
EK207 DXB1450 – 2035JFK 388 D

EK204 JFK1120 – 0750+1DXB 388 D
EK208 JFK1630 – 1315+1DXB 388 D
EK202 JFK2300 – 1945+1DXB 388 D

EK207/208 is open for reservation until March 28, 2015.
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:35 pm

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 35):

This additional flight to JFK is EK's answer for the carriers who want to stop Emirates aggressive expansion in the United States. Way to go Emirates, Hello Tomorrow

Ditto. EK is the Apple of aviation (in a lot of ways).

Watering it down to its simplest form - everyone is afraid of EK taking over not because it's actually unfair, but because 'legacy' airlines and their home countries simply can't cope and are hiding their fears and failures behind the 'anti-competitive', 'state-subsidized', 'cheap labor' etc mask.

I am not even disappointed that my own country's national carrier is suffering, whether (in)directly related or not, because I'd much rather it go under in favor of an airline where I get my hard-earned money's worth.

Do what they will, but EK will always be the bane of of many's existence.
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:48 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9):
bleed money on the route and cause everyone else on the route to lose money so you can fly TA cheaper than flying to California?

You will, of course, be substantiating this point?

Oh no, of course you won't. It's just smack against EK and you cannot provide anything.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9):
I sure as hell don't. And I am proud to say that.

I do, and I am proud to say that.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 13):
It's OK, I am no fan of Alitalia either

  

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 11):
Canada to open all their skies for ME3 and have AC file for bankruptcy so they can save $100

This point just shows how irrational and bizarre the entire 'debate' is. What proportion of Air Canada's revenue comes from points East of Dubai? I'd be surprised if it was even 5%, but I don't have the figures to hand. There is no way that AC will be filing for bankruptcy because of increased competition in part of their network that is so small. If they do then they don't deserve to be in business as they clearly were already nothing more than a house of cards.

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 35):
carriers who want to stop Emirates aggressive expansion in the United States

The USA and UAE have open skies

Quoting maxamuus (Reply 36):
exact reason US airlines are petitioning the US government to limit EK's flights into the US.

Shows how much you know. They can whinge, but nothing else.
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:58 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 42):
Shows how much you know. They can whinge, but nothing else.

You don't think the US government cant pull the plug on that? EK needs the US a whole lot more than the US needs EK. Shows how little you know.
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:15 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 42):
The USA and UAE have open skies

Open skies lets foreign carrier apply for new route without amending bilaterals. Each route has to applied and approved. Granted approval is a routine process. Doesn't mean that USDOT has to approve every route.
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Fri Nov 07, 2014 12:39 am

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9):
Yes!

AA/DL/AZ/UA all fly the route. More then enough competition. Since Emirates has entered the route, I can find fares of $600 in Y.


A state-backed airline that can bleed money on the route and cause everyone else on the route to lose money so you can fly TA cheaper than flying to California?


You favour that instead? I sure as hell don't. And I am proud to say that.

I couldn't have said this any better myself!
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Fri Nov 07, 2014 12:43 am

Go to expedia.com and check fares if you want to substantiate my point. Look at JFK to MXP vs any nonstop point in Europe.

Probably one of the easiest points to substantiate on a.net in the ten years Ive been on the site
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Fri Nov 07, 2014 12:59 am

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 46):
Go to expedia.com and check fares if you want to substantiate my point. Look at JFK to MXP vs any nonstop point in Europe.

I wasn't asking you to substantiate fares, but I appreciate that's how it reads, but rather that EK is dumping capacity and forcing everyone else to bleed.

Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 44):
Each route has to applied and approved. Granted approval is a routine process. Doesn't mean that USDOT has to approve every route.

True, but it is a rubber stamp procedure. The UAE is a vital US ally in the Middle East, and the US Government isn't going to put them offside over a trade disagreement, not to mention one that is of minuscule importance on the national scale. At its most fundamental level, this is a matter of trade, and if the USA was to pick a battle with anyone about 'dumping' etc, the UAE with regards to aviation services will be very low down the list.

Quoting maxamuus (Reply 43):
EK needs the US a whole lot more than the US needs EK. Shows how little you know.

These aren't negotiated in a vacuum. The USA isn't going to p*ss of UAE, as they need them on-side other areas.
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:07 am

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9):
Yes!

AA/DL/AZ/UA all fly the route. More then enough competition. Since Emirates has entered the route, I can find fares of $600 in Y.


A state-backed airline that can bleed money on the route and cause everyone else on the route to lose money so you can fly TA cheaper than flying to California?


You favour that instead? I sure as hell don't. And I am proud to say that.

Willie Walsh said it best in relation to EK and to quote him from 2010:

"I just got a copy of its [financial] accounts the other day, and they look like a normal set of accounts to me. I have much more experience in dealing with Emirates, and have no doubt that they acted in a rational, commercial way in every way that I have seen."

In August 2013, Jeff Smisek said:

"I would compare the policies of United Arab Emirates, which has done a terrific job recognising the value of transportation, of travel. They’re quite supportive. And by support, I don’t mean subsidies. I mean understanding the value and the jobs this industry drives."

I'd also point out that China Southern and China Eastern were only profitable last year because of subsidies from the Chinese Government yet you don't hear DL, or others, complaining about that.
 
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RE: Emirates To Increase JFK - 4 Daily

Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:12 am

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 34):
Aren't all of SQ's flights to the U.S. 5th freedom via FRA/DME/ICN/NRT?

Yes. Also via HKG (SIN-HKG-SFO). SIN-U.S. nonstop is too far for economic nonstop operations, as their cancelled all-J class A340-500 nonstops SIN-EWR and SIN-LAX showed.

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