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Quoting Miami (Thread starter): Emirates also has a flight from Milan to JFK. |
Quoting Miami (Thread starter): Schedule: EK 207 DXB-JFK 1450-2035 EK 208 JFK-DXB 1630-1315+1 |
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Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 6): You wonder how much capacity they can throw into a market...and then they throw some more. |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 6): I am also glad to hear about the Italians giving them the ax on the MXP route. |
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 7): Why? Do you favour less competition and higher prices? |
Quoting kaitak (Reply 1): But not for long; the Italians have decided to axe EK's rights on this route, so it could still be just three flights, unless EK is ale to get the rights to operate via somewhere else. |
Quoting Malayil (Reply 5): Does this mean that EK will never go to EWR? |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9): You favour that instead? I sure as hell don't. And I am proud to say that. |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9): A state-backed airline that can bleed money on the route and cause everyone else on the route to lose money so you can fly TA cheaper than flying to California? You favour that instead? I sure as hell don't. And I am proud to say that. |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9): A state-backed airline that can bleed money on the route and cause everyone else on the route to lose money so you can fly TA cheaper than flying to California? |
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 10): When do the MXP rights expire. |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9): A state-backed airline that can bleed money on the route and cause everyone else on the route to lose money so you can fly TA cheaper than flying to California? You favour that instead? I sure as hell don't. And I am proud to say that. |
Quoting superjeff (Reply 15): Come now, Air Canada was privatised years ago. Its responsibility ultimately is to its shareholders. The responsibility to the Crown is pretty much its obligation to pay taxes. |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9): A state-backed airline that can bleed money on the route and cause everyone else on the route to lose money so you can fly TA cheaper than flying to California? |
Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 11): BRAVO ! well said ! |
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Quoting BA0197 (Reply 14): EK will continue to face backlash until it decides to compete on equal terms. |
Quoting ncfc99 (Reply 17): DL,UA,AA have call been through bankruptcy, shedding costs so they can fly a route for less, causing others to cut prices and lose money on routes. AZ taking state aid to keep going even though it is illegal under EU law. EK use the laws of its home nation to its advantage, as does DL,UA,AA using chapter 11 to their advantage. Why does SQ not receive the same derision , it is state backed as well. |
Quoting BA0197 (Reply 20): Because they know the limits of how far they can go. |
Quoting BA0197 (Reply 20): The fact is they are trading with an unfair advantage that is damaging to the marketplace (i.e. eliminating airlines as an extreme). |
Quoting BA0197 (Reply 20): take BA, LH, AF/KL - they do not have chapter 11. |
Quoting BA0197 (Reply 20): If SQ was adding 5th freedom from random places then I guarantee you, they would recieve the same thrashing by the competition authorities. |
Quoting ncfc99 (Reply 22): Not that long ago SQ added SIN-MUC-MAN flights, I can't remember any thrashing of them by anyone. |
Quoting ncfc99 (Reply 22): EXACTLY, chapter 11 allows airlines to operate with an unfair advantage of less costs to pay, hence they damage the market. |
Quoting Enilria (Reply 18): I thought we were in the middle of an ongoing war on that. I don't think EK has exhausted its legal options. EY's investment in AZ could also affect things in true,s of govt policy and court treatment in Italy. |
Quoting expandJFK (Reply 26): Newbie question. Is most traffic going to India/Pakistan/etc on EK from JFK? How much is going to the far east and ME? |
Quoting BA0197 (Reply 27): I do not agree one bit with Chapter 11- but we are not talking about administration, we are talking about competition regulation. Chapter 11 does not give American carriers a different outlook on the market- they compete on price, just as airlines should. Chapter 11 does not mean you have no money- you need money to fund a CH11- but I stray from my original topic. |
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Quoting wingflex744 (Reply 28): Let's also not forget that EK is doing very well in cargo loads on the MXP-JFK runs which should be taken in account when judging the profitability of a route and the market implication that it is creating. |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9): AA/DL/AZ/UA all fly the route. More then enough competition. Since Emirates has entered the route, I can find fares of $600 in Y. |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9): You favour that instead? I sure as hell don't. |
Quoting Malayil (Reply 5): Does this mean that EK will never go to EWR? |
Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 35): This additional flight to JFK is EK's answer for the carriers who want to stop Emirates aggressive expansion in the United States. Way to go Emirates, Hello Tomorrow |
Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 35): This additional flight to JFK is EK's answer for the carriers who want to stop Emirates aggressive expansion in the United States. Way to go Emirates, Hello Tomorrow |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9): bleed money on the route and cause everyone else on the route to lose money so you can fly TA cheaper than flying to California? |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9): I sure as hell don't. And I am proud to say that. |
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 13): It's OK, I am no fan of Alitalia either |
Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 11): Canada to open all their skies for ME3 and have AC file for bankruptcy so they can save $100 |
Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 35): carriers who want to stop Emirates aggressive expansion in the United States |
Quoting maxamuus (Reply 36): exact reason US airlines are petitioning the US government to limit EK's flights into the US. |
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 42): Shows how much you know. They can whinge, but nothing else. |
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 42): The USA and UAE have open skies |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9): Yes! AA/DL/AZ/UA all fly the route. More then enough competition. Since Emirates has entered the route, I can find fares of $600 in Y. A state-backed airline that can bleed money on the route and cause everyone else on the route to lose money so you can fly TA cheaper than flying to California? You favour that instead? I sure as hell don't. And I am proud to say that. |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 46): Go to expedia.com and check fares if you want to substantiate my point. Look at JFK to MXP vs any nonstop point in Europe. |
Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 44): Each route has to applied and approved. Granted approval is a routine process. Doesn't mean that USDOT has to approve every route. |
Quoting maxamuus (Reply 43): EK needs the US a whole lot more than the US needs EK. Shows how little you know. |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 9): Yes! AA/DL/AZ/UA all fly the route. More then enough competition. Since Emirates has entered the route, I can find fares of $600 in Y. A state-backed airline that can bleed money on the route and cause everyone else on the route to lose money so you can fly TA cheaper than flying to California? You favour that instead? I sure as hell don't. And I am proud to say that. |