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Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:20 pm

I was curious if any A330's had met the scrappers torch yet. Some A340-200's and a few -300's have, I know.
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RE: Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:24 pm

Yes, Some of the early built A330-300s for MH have been scrapped.
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Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:27 pm

At least one Aer Lingus A333 has been scrapped as well.
 
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Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:39 pm

What about the BD A330 at Orlando or HS-TEF at BKK?.
 
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Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:22 pm

12 are derelict (waiting to be scrapped)

3 have been scrapped

7 have crashed/been written off
 
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RE: Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:23 pm

A few, yes. From my mind:

MAS 9M-MKH went to TUP last year for part-out.


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Aer Lingus EI-ORD was scrapped at GWO.


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Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:30 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 5):
A few, yes. From my mind:

MAS 9M-MKH went to TUP last year for part-out.

I also find references to 9M-MKC and 9M-MKE going to TUP for scrapping.

And, although it would qualify as an accident, 9M-MKB was scrapped after a corrosive chemical spill in the cargo compartment at KUL in 2000.
 
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Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:37 am

Why is it there are no "Aircraft Grave-yards/scrap-yards" in Continental Europe.
In England, yes. It amazes me that Airbus Aircraft come to America to be broken-up.
What's up with that?
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Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:21 am

I visited Tupelo last year, and got some pics of 747s and 330s getting scrapped there. Check it out here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157635247705557/
 
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RE: Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:20 am

Quoting md11sdf (Reply 7):
Why is it there are no "Aircraft Grave-yards/scrap-yards" in Continental Europe.
In England, yes. It amazes me that Airbus Aircraft come to America to be broken-up.
What's up with that?

Weather and humidity perhaps? The Mojave is great because it never rains, and it's dry, which prevents corrosion and other such issues. This sort of climate just doesn't exist in Europe.
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RE: Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:53 am

PAL has a few ferried to U.S with a stop in SFO, maybe somebody can tell me where they ended up at after the SFO gas stop
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RE: Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:00 am

Quoting md11sdf (Reply 7):
Why is it there are no "Aircraft Grave-yards/scrap-yards" in Continental Europe.

I know of 2 sites in France where industrial-scale aircraft scrapping takes place - Tarbes/Lourdes in the south, and Chateauroux in "the middle". I'm sure that there are others elsewhere in Europe

Quote "Bartin Aero Recycling, a subsidiary of VEOLIA and the Vallière Aviation Group, has the only aircraft dismantling facility in Europe that is certified ISO 14000. A workforce of 20 people dismantles and recycles aircraft in conditions that meet the highest standards of protection of the environment and for ensuring security regarding the re-use of aeronautical parts. The company also optimises the volume and value of the raw materials salvaged from planes at the end of their life cycle." from http://www.chateauroux-airport.com/i...ayout=blog&id=35&Itemid=66&lang=en

When I passed Chateauroux Airport some years ago, there was a PAL 747 being cut up, and a collection of other early 747s and a DC10 waiting their fate
 
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RE: Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:18 am

Quoting shengzhurou (Reply 10):

I know that some have ended up at GWO. Not sure if all of them went there though.
 
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RE: Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:29 am

Quoting md11sdf (Reply 7):
Why is it there are no "Aircraft Grave-yards/scrap-yards" in Continental Europe.
In England, yes. It amazes me that Airbus Aircraft come to America to be broken-up.
What's up with that?

There's one in Teruel, Spain. They started not very long ago. http://www.tarmacaerosave.aero/index...w=article&id=20&Itemid=120&lang=en
 
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RE: Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:24 am

I have never fully got my head around the process of scrapping an airliner that is not only still in production, but selling well.

I know all the reasons for it when we see 737s A320s, A330s and B777s etc. meeting the axe These are high time/cycle frames that are not as efficient as the latest offerings and worth more as spare parts. Even so, when a few years back we saw the ex Spanair A321s meeting their fate you cant help thinking "but new A321s are hot property", or when BA sent their orginal A320s (the ones they inherited from BCAL) to the scrapper while still taking delivery of new ones!

Older planes don't die or fall out the sky, they get killed off by the bean counters! I don't recall this being the way in the 'old days'. I doubt any 707s or DC-8s were scrapped while their production lines were still rolling. It just seems like the ultimate symbol of the throw-away society.
  
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RE: Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:39 am

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 14):
know all the reasons for it when we see 737s A320s, A330s and B777s etc. meeting the axe These are high time/cycle frames that are not as efficient as the latest offerings and worth more as spare parts. Even so, when a few years back we saw the ex Spanair A321s meeting their fate you cant help thinking "but new A321s are hot property", or when BA sent their orginal A320s (the ones they inherited from BCAL) to the scrapper while still taking delivery of new ones!

It is all down to economics, as planes gets older the maintenance cost increases drasticly, and newer models are more effecient to operate. While still an A320, a new A320 delivered today is a lot more efficient than a 1989 model A320. Then comes the cycle/flight hours limits, where the early built A320 had quite low limits, and after 20 years of heavy use the plane often reaches its design limit

And Spanair's aircraft generally suffered from mediocre maintenance.

When the day come the aircraft will give its owner a higher return when scrapped and sold as parts vs flying, it is the only right this to scrap it.

And to be honest: There is really not that different som scrapping a plane than recycle a used beer can
 
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RE: Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:50 am

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 9):
Weather and humidity perhaps? The Mojave is great because it never rains, and it's dry, which prevents corrosion and other such issues. This sort of climate just doesn't exist in Europe.

True, also the soil in Mojave and other places in Western USA is very alkaline, which prevents metal corrosion. So these places are also ideal for long term storage of metal objects like aircraft.
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RE: Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:57 am

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 14):
BA sent their orginal A320s (the ones they inherited from BCAL) to the scrapper while still taking delivery of new ones!

This is actually understandable. First, those A320s were, If I remember it correct, A320-100s without winglets. They had different lavatories, different perfomance characteristics and, of course, high cycles.

Not so surprising those were scrapped.
 
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Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:06 am

I suppose the only alternatives to scrapping an aircraft are... (in order of my own preference)

1. Donate it to a training facility (for engineers, fire/cabin crews)

2. Sell it to some bloke who wants to live in it or make a restaurant / hotel out of it. (At least it's being useful)

3. Donate it to a museum. (Yawn, why not visit an airport instead, at least aircraft are moving around!)

4. Let it sit, parked up for years on the ramp, rusting away, looking sad. (Sad)

5. Sell it to a developing country where maintenance procedure may be more relaxed or thanks to political interference. (Disgracefully dangerous and reckless!)

6. Give it to the a.nutters so they can keep the concorde/maddogs/queen of the skies flying forever and ever and ever and ever and ever !   
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RE: Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:24 am

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One question, some images had the aircraft I'd, some just the image numbers.

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RE: Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:20 pm

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 14):
Older planes don't die or fall out the sky, they get killed off by the bean counters! I don't recall this being the way in the 'old days'. I doubt any 707s or DC-8s were scrapped while their production lines were still rolling. It just seems like the ultimate symbol of the throw-away society.

I have always felt the same - at least for those airframes that do not have many hours or landing cycles. However, the problem is not a new one - I think of all those majestic propliners that were scrapped when the jets took over. At least some of 'em found work hauling freight, much to the delight of us spotters.
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RE: Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:26 pm

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 14):
I doubt any 707s or DC-8s were scrapped while their production lines were still rolling.

Actually a lot of the 707s got retired relatively early, simply because of their outdated engines and stricter noise regulations.
 
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Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:46 pm

A few A330s and A340s of PAL have recently been scrapped at Clark Philippines, likewise a few also flown to USA for scrapping
 
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Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:06 pm

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 14):

I have never fully got my head around the process of scrapping an airliner that is not only still in production, but selling well.
Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 14):
Older planes don't die or fall out the sky, they get killed off by the bean counters! I don't recall this being the way in the 'old days'. I doubt any 707s or DC-8s were scrapped while their production lines were still rolling. It just seems like the ultimate symbol of the throw-away society.

Aircraft however didn't remain in production for anywhere near as long though years ago, look at the 707, apart from military orders the production cycle lasted for about 10 years, as it did for the DC8.
Modern designs with continual improvement seemingly go on for 20 years or more, or in the case of the 737 for what is now nearly half the entire history of flight.
 
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RE: Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:15 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 21):
Actually a lot of the 707s got retired relatively early, simply because of their outdated engines and stricter noise regulations.

Actually lots of 707s were retired early because of their more efficient engines. They were donors for JT3D engines/pylons and tail surfaces for the KC-135A to -E conversion program in the early 80s. Hard to believe the JT3D is efficient, but compared to the old J-57s on the A models...

The DC-8 didn't see that kind of tanker use anywhere, so they soldiered on for decades more. You'll see something similar happen to old 767 inventories in a few years as what happened to the 707.
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RE: Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:21 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 3):
What about the BD A330 at Orlando

If Google is anything to go by (most recent imagery from January 2014), that one has been mostly cut up:
http://www.google.com/maps/place/Orl...8e714a5ec75cd35:0x5e911861349da5ef
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RE: Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:25 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 21):
Actually a lot of the 707s got retired relatively early, simply because of their outdated engines and stricter noise regulations

That and the AMARK was buying them to support the KC135's .
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Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:38 pm

Quoting babaero (Reply 22):
A few A330s and A340s of PAL have recently been scrapped at Clark Philippines, likewise a few also flown to USA for scrapping

Not true as PAL has stored some 330's/340's at Clark but none were scrapped at that location. They all flew to the US to be scrapped mostly at Greenwood and Mojave
 
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RE: Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:46 pm

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 14):
I have never fully got my head around the process of scrapping an airliner that is not only still in production, but selling well.

One could make the argument that these early A330s are no longer representative of a model that's in production or selling well. The A330-300 has evolved over time more than any other single model I can think of. It's got almost twice the range now that it did when first introduced, as well as more payload capacity, very different engines, and a host of systems changes.

And if you think about the competition, that makes sense. The thing has evolved from competing with early 767s, A300s, and used DC-10s to competing respectably with the 787-9.
 
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Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:25 am

Don't forget about that Batavia A332 c/n 202. PK-YVJ that was scrapped at SZB.

Batavia's other A332 PK-YVI c/n 330 became 9M-XAD with Air Asia X where it saw service with Hadj carriers and has recently ended up with Aer Lingus.
 
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Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:52 am

Ultimatedelta

Given the state of the BD airframe in January, I think it is safe to say that it is now gone.

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Do you know when PK-YVJ was scrapped.
 
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Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:11 am

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 3):
What about the BD A330 at Orlando or HS-TEF at BKK?.

Thai HS-TEF has been spotted last September without engines:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/15215220782/


HS-TEF by als4123_2014, on Flickr

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Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:09 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 28):
And if you think about the competition, that makes sense. The thing has evolved from competing with early 767s, A300s, and used DC-10s to competing respectably with the 787-9.

Remember that the original A330 design was deliberately pitched at medium haul, because the designed solution for long haul was the A340. The current A330 has been evolved to replace the lower end of the A340 mission more economically, largely due to appropriate engine availability.
 
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RE: Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:49 pm

Quoting md11sdf (Reply 7):
Why is it there are no "Aircraft Grave-yards/scrap-yards" in Continental Europe.
In England, yes. It amazes me that Airbus Aircraft come to America to be broken-up.
What's up with that?

Climate is probably the main reason, which is why you see most of the scrapyards in the US in the desert southwest.

Doesn't BA scrap some of their aircraft at Cardiff?

Quoting United_fan (Reply 26):
That and the AMARK was buying them to support the KC135's .

AMARG.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 28):
One could make the argument that these early A330s are no longer representative of a model that's in production or selling well. The A330-300 has evolved over time more than any other single model I can think of. It's got almost twice the range now that it did when first introduced, as well as more payload capacity, very different engines, and a host of systems changes.

That's exactly correct.

An A330 built in 1995 is far inferior to it's modern day brethren.
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Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:39 pm

Quoting md11sdf (Reply 7):
Why is it there are no "Aircraft Grave-yards/scrap-yards" in Continental Europe.
In England, yes. It amazes me that Airbus Aircraft come to America to be broken-up.
What's up with that?

A lot of aircraft go to Kemble but space at European airports is a bit limited. Kemble only has space for 5-6 Scrap frames at a time. Victorville can store a lot more!
 
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RE: Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:17 am

Quoting 777stl (Reply 33):
AMARG.

Actually back then it would have still been AMARC
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Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:28 am

Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 23):
Aircraft however didn't remain in production for anywhere near as long though years ago, look at the 707, apart from military orders the production cycle lasted for about 10 years, as it did for the DC8.

It was more like 16 years for the 707 and 13 years for the DC-8. Many reports say DC-8 production was ended earlier than necessary to avoid cannibalizing DC-10 sales.

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 24):
The DC-8 didn't see that kind of tanker use anywhere, so they soldiered on for decades more.

The stretched DC-8-61/63 also made a much more economic freighter than any 707.
 
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Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:28 am

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Reply 27, posted Thu Nov 6 2014 16:38:41 your local time (3 days 7 hours 45 minutes ago) and read 5314 times:


Quoting babaero (Reply 22):
A few A330s and A340s of PAL have recently been scrapped at Clark Philippines, likewise a few also flown to USA for scrapping

Not true as PAL has stored some 330's/340's at Clark but none were scrapped at that location. They all flew to the US to be scrapped mostly at Greenwood and Mojave


Suggest to check your source N471wn

A330 RP-C3340 deregistered - and scrapping in progress at Clark
A330 RP-C3330 deregistered - and scrapping in progress at Clark
A340 RP-C3431 deregistered - and scrapping in progress at Clark

Will post some pics soon
 
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Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:38 am

Foreground is A340, background is A330 scrapping in Clark


PAL A340 RP-C3431 foreground and A330 in back ground
 
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Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:47 am

Something wrong with your images.

When were they scrapped?.
 
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RE: Have Any A330's Been Scrapped?

Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:40 pm

Quoting babaero (Reply 37):
Suggest to check your source N471wn

A330 RP-C3340 deregistered - and scrapping in progress at Clark
A330 RP-C3330 deregistered - and scrapping in progress at Clark
A340 RP-C3431 deregistered - and scrapping in progress at Clark

You may be correct on these three but my sources show them as "stored" and as you know this is what they did with the others---stored them at Clark and then ferried them to the USA for scrapping and it was reasonable to believe that the these a/c would follow suit. If you have seen the scrapping in progress then this changes things but it makes no sense to scrap them at Clark
 
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Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:11 pm

Those three PAL A330s are stored at CRK.
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