Australian Aviation Thread 110

Gemuser · Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:20 am

Quoting QF175 (Reply 97):
Correct me if I'm wrong but with the Woolies/Caltex/Qantas FF/EDR tie-up don't you have to spend $30 at a Woolies Supermarket, receive a fuel voucher and then elect to take points when you pay for your petrol (i.e. you can't just swipe your EDR card at the Petrol Station checkout and earn points if you don't have a fuel voucher)?

The two deals are very different:
1) You get points AND the fuel discount for spending $30 at Woolies. The number of points is tied to the amount you spend, the fuel discount is not. You do not use points when you redeem your Woolies voucher at Caltex, it is isolated from the FF points. You do not get QF FF points for what you spend at Caltex.
2) In the Velocity scheme, as far as I can see from the press release, you just earn points at BP and do not get a fuel discount. This makes it much less attractive, to me anyway.

Gemuser

qf2220 · Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:10 pm

Quoting allrite (Reply 89):
Does Qantas need deeper cooperation with CX considering its deals with CZ and MU, plus EK to Europe and the fact that there already is a level of cooperation through OneWorld?

The deals with CZ and MU are there because of an inability to work with CX. As noted above, the historic animosity between QF and CX is well known, but id also put it that the anti competition issues of creating a monopoly on AUS-HKG if QF and CX were to join up would be a blocker. VA, currently not on the route, would probably be able to enter into a JV with CX without issue given theyre not on the HKG route now.

I think this is overall good, as the deals with CZ and MU are increasing the use and profile of CAN and PVG and the airlines themselves, instead of just creating a QF-CX monopoly routing through HKG. Also, QF may be able to play CZ and MU off of each other if neccessary which might act to QF's advantage (as opposed to the EK deal where there appears to be little bargaining power held by QF).

allrite · Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:35 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 99):
as a QF and oneworld flyer, i find qantas' play with Emirates at the cost of oneworld partners very frustrating.
the fact that earning rates lean towards emirates rather than oneworld is appalling.

with the exception of AA and LA, QF has virtually no relationship with CX, MH, QR, BA etc.

Perhaps QF should just withdraw from oneworld rather than be in an alliance that does not deliver to customers any more.

I don't quite understand this. I thought earn rates were a negotiation between two carriers and so low earn rates on other carriers are not just, say, Qantas' fault. CX has always seemed stingy to me. But what do I know? Earn rates aside, doing some test bookings on the Qantas website it appears that the OneWorld alliance works to the extent that Qantas uses partner airlines to extend its reach where necessary. So picking a random Chinese destination you can either fly with QF to HKG and then CX/DragonAir or QF to PVG and then MU. And you can still fly QF to LHR and have BA to CDG as an option.

So it seems to me that Qantas' individual airlines partnerships, such as with EK and MU, supersede OW where applicable, but that OW still sits in the background providing services and lounges where needed. Alliance membership hence provides a framework that is probably easier than having to negotiate on an individual basis for such services but because of its multilateral nature also doesn't deliver the same benefits as a strong joint venture between two airlines. So I think that both types can co-exist but in future the alliances may not have the same importance.

QF175 · Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:30 pm

This is great news...

Just been announced, Virgin Australia to launch thrice weekly Adelide-Alice Springs flights from March 2015. Also announced is a plan to open a new VA lounge at Alice Springs (timing unknown).

As previously announced, in March 2015 Virgin Australia will also launch flights from Alice Springs to Darwin, presumably the aircraft will continue on from Adelaide to Alice Springs.

Source - AusBT

qfvhoqa · Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:09 am

Quoting allrite (Reply 102):
I thought earn rates were a negotiation between two carriers and so low earn rates on other carriers are not just, say, Qantas' fault.

That was my understanding too - the operating airline is the one that needs to "buy" the FF points from the crediting airline. So QF sets the price for FF points and CX says how many they are going to buy for each fare bucket.
Where the relationship can sour is how much QF charges CX for their FF points (relative to what they charge their more favoured partners), and similarly how many CX say they will buy from QF (again compared to their other partners.

Quoting allrite (Reply 102):
CX has always seemed stingy to me.

I thought this too, they have several Economy fare buckets that earn no points at all, even on Asia Miles. AFAIK all other oneworld carriers discount Y fares earn some points.

In other news, VA & SQ have revealed the transfer rate for their FF schemes. You can now transfer 1.35 Va points to 1 SQ point (and vice versa). I would say this is to help bolster the VA scheme in Australia by encouraging people to choose VA earning credit cards instead of QF earning cards.
Swap 1.35 Virgin Australia frequent flyer points for 1 KrisFlyer mile

SYDSpotter · Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:23 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 104):
In other news, VA & SQ have revealed the transfer rate for their FF schemes. You can now transfer 1.35 Va points to 1 SQ point (and vice versa). I would say this is to help bolster the VA scheme in Australia by encouraging people to choose VA earning credit cards instead of QF earning cards

Hmm indeed, certainly makes the VA offering much more compelling. Although I'm not surprised that SQ wanted a premium for their points (1.35 to 1). How does the mileage redemption (for those in the know) for QF compare with SQ/VA though? Any VA member is paying a 35% premium to convert their points into SQ points.

[Edited 2014-11-18 16:23:44]

qfvhoqa · Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:30 am

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 105):

The 35% loss on conversion happens both ways, so 1.35 SQ points are needed to exchange for 1 VA point. Not so much of SQ wanting a premium on their points but more of a "transfer tax".

AusBT states that SYD-SIN on SQ in the A380 business class costs 80,000 VA points or 46,750 SQ points. SYD-SIN on QF in the A330 business class is 60,000 QF points.
On the face of it the value of points would be SQ>QF>VA, but QF charges much higher fees on redemptions. And with the new SQ-VA points conversion, one could convert 63,113 VA points to get the required number of SQ points for the redemption.

SYDSpotter · Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:48 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 106):
The 35% loss on conversion happens both ways, so 1.35 SQ points are needed to exchange for 1 VA point. Not so much of SQ wanting a premium on their points but more of a "transfer tax".

Ah thanks, missed the 'vice versa' bit. But yes effectively a transfer tax if you like.

RyanairGuru · Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:19 am

There's no way that I will be able to figure out how to post photos on my phone, but I've just seen James Strong at SYD. Absolutely stunning! It looks even better in real life than in pictures

tullamarine · Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:26 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 108):
Absolutely stunning! It looks even better in real life than in pictures

Not surprising. The classic livery was always stunning in the flesh. The originals were even more beautiful with their shiny lower half but unfortunately this type of effect isn't economical anymore so didn't make it on the retro-jet.

VapourTrails · Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:30 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 108):
There's no way that I will be able to figure out how to post photos on my phone, but I've just seen James Strong at SYD. Absolutely stunning! It looks even better in real life than in pictures

Well I will certainly be looking out for it via Flightradar24. The photos here come pretty close to seeing the real thing.. nearly.. thanks for your observation share here.

I am wondering how the 767 farewell flights are going. Looking forward to reading some experiences and observations here over the next few months and maybe even a trip report from someone.

The final flight to CBR was well, the 718, well after sundown so not too good for spotting. Plus, it was also not far behind a visiting 744, not to take the occasion away from the 767 farewell city flights...

allrite · Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:32 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 108):
There's no way that I will be able to figure out how to post photos on my phone, but I've just seen James Strong at SYD.

Can a phone camera capture pictures of ghosts or is this the zombie apocalypse?

Oh wait, we are talking aircraft, aren't we...

Another Qantas news release about the retro jet

Photos below courtesy of Qantas Facebook.

TN486 · Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:47 am

Quoting QF175 (Reply 103):
This is great news...

Just been announced, Virgin Australia to launch thrice weekly Adelide-Alice Springs flights from March 2015. Also announced is a plan to open a new VA lounge at Alice Springs (timing unknown).

I think that this was a forgone conclusion once this had been announced.........,

Quoting QF175 (Reply 103):
As previously announced, in March 2015 Virgin Australia will also launch flights from Alice Springs to Darwin, presumably the aircraft will continue on from Adelaide to Alice Springs

QF175 · Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:59 am

According to reports circulating this evening, Air Asia X will cut frequencies to Australia in early 2015 due to ongoing losses. The airline's routes to Australia lost RM35.79 million in the quarter (Q3), this equates to about AUD$12 million.

Source

qfvhoqa · Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:24 am

The Airline Hub Buzz website has posted the upcoming seat maps for reconfigured QF A330s.

A332s will be 28J/243Y and A333s will be 28J/269Y. The first A332 to be reconfigured is claimed to be VH-EBV and the first A333 is VH-QPA. Both will begin operating domestic service prior to any international service.

Seat maps for reconfigured QANTAS A330s

777Jet · Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:44 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 114):
first A333 is VH-QPA

Well at least we worked that out correctly when seeing which 333 has been out of service according to flightaware

vhebb · Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:12 pm

Good to see all A332s will be fitted with the same config regardless if being used on domestic or international routes.

qf2220 · Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:16 pm

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 114):
A332s will be 28J/243Y and A333s will be 28J/269Y

Just to save everyone, current configs are

A333 - 30J/267Y
A332 - 36J/199, 265 or 268Y

So a fair reduction in premium on the -200s. It will be interesting to see how this will play out in terms of profitability.

SYDSpotter · Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:34 pm

Quoting QF175 (Reply 113):
According to reports circulating this evening, Air Asia X will cut frequencies to Australia in early 2015 due to ongoing losses. The airline's routes to Australia lost RM35.79 million in the quarter (Q3), this equates to about AUD$12 million.

I wonder which routes they will cut?

I'm guessing they will trim their double daily flights ex SYD/MEL/PER to say a 10x weekly or maybe just down to 1x daily.
MH are also rumoured to be cutting their capacity into Oz, so it should mean improved yields after a pretty messy capacity war between the two.

timtam · Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:38 pm

Quoting QF175 (Reply 113):
According to reports circulating this evening, Air Asia X will cut frequencies to Australia in early 2015 due to ongoing losses. The airline's routes to Australia lost RM35.79 million in the quarter (Q3), this equates to about AUD$12 million

Might happen even faster. Air Asia X is suffering some financial problems.

Source

SYDSpotter · Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:15 pm

Quoting timtam (Reply 119):
Might happen even faster. Air Asia X is suffering some financial problems.

Per the link, they are having to delay staff wages/payments. So some short term cash flow worries for them.

I'd be interested to see if MH and Air Asia decide to put merger talks back into play after their initial failed attempt. MH is in trouble and it looks like D7 is as well (although the main Air Asia arm seem to be going fine). I wonder if a QF/JQ type group would work for Malaysia?

allrite · Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:09 am

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 120):
I'd be interested to see if MH and Air Asia decide to put merger talks back into play after their initial failed attempt. MH is in trouble and it looks like D7 is as well (although the main Air Asia arm seem to be going fine). I wonder if a QF/JQ type group would work for Malaysia?

I've been saying this is sensible but I'm really not sure it would come off, especially over who controls the decision making. As I see a merger should be the reverse of the QF/JQ model, where the low cost arm (AirAsia) is the controlling entity and MH is the premium subsidiary used for the limited range of destinations that require such services.

tullamarine · Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:15 am

Quoting timtam (Reply 119):
Might happen even faster. Air Asia X is suffering some financial problems

Hardly a surprise. It appears no one can make money out of medium to long-haul LCC operations. Jetstar Int'l loses money, Air Asia X loses money. Scoot is still new but not profitable. People Express went broke. Oasis Hong Kong went broke. No wonder leading LCCs like Spirit, Ryanair and EasyJet have shied away from anything beyond the range of their current narrowbody fleets.

LCCs struggle to gain significant cost advantages the longer the sector but they are forced to offer significantly lower fares. Unless they can maintain ridiculously high load factors they lose money. Well run legacy carriers compete effectively against LCCs by using yield management to offer fares that cause the LCCs grief but generate greater profit across the aircraft as well being more attractive to consumers through a superior product.

Sydscott · Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:49 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 122):
Hardly a surprise. It appears no one can make money out of medium to long-haul LCC operations. Jetstar Int'l loses money, Air Asia X loses money. Scoot is still new but not profitable

To be fair, no-one is making much $$$ out of Southeast Asia and Southeast Asia - Australia has been a bloodbath primarily of Air Asia X's and MH's making. Both of them need to cut their capacity back and should have already done so.

mh124 · Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:03 am

Does anyone know why the Perth Airport self reported traffic stats are higher than the reported btre stats for Perth? The figures the airport reports seem to be 10 % higher than the figures the btre reports.

luftaom · Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:18 am

Quoting QF175 (Reply 103):
Just been announced, Virgin Australia to launch thrice weekly Adelide-Alice Springs flights from March 2015. Also announced is a plan to open a new VA lounge at Alice Springs (timing unknown).As previously announced, in March 2015 Virgin Australia will also launch flights from Alice Springs to Darwin, presumably the aircraft will continue on from Adelaide to Alice Springs.

As it stands there is a VA aircraft on the ground in Darwin for just shy of 4 hours between the arrival of the morning flight from Perth and the 6:15pm departure to Melbourne. I had assumed (perhaps erroneously) that they would just retime those flights slightly - maybe make the flight ex Perth dep 20 minutes earlier and make the MEL flight depart ~45 minutes later and hey presto you more or less have your aircraft for a DRW-ASP-DRW turn. Delaying the Melbourne departure by 45 minutes or so would put it into Melbourne around 1am which whilst it is a major problem for some markets will be fine for Darwin (I have nearly missed the 6:15pm departure a few times and I have often seen business people rushing to get it). Also VA will have the ground crews on the tarmac in Melbourne because the redeye MEL-DRW leaves around 00:30 from memory so you wouldn't need to schedule an extra shift.

All that logic (which was entirely my own supposition) might be completely moot.

allrite · Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:22 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 122):
LCCs struggle to gain significant cost advantages the longer the sector but they are forced to offer significantly lower fares. Unless they can maintain ridiculously high load factors they lose money. Well run legacy carriers compete effectively against LCCs by using yield management to offer fares that cause the LCCs grief but generate greater profit across the aircraft as well being more attractive to consumers through a superior product.

Whilst nobody seems to be making an overall profit on long-haul LCCs I wonder how specific routes are doing, especially where there is no or limited competition. Plus, in the QF/JQ case it is a way to offer flights at presumably low cost for that segment of the market where their standard full service offering may not be the most appropriate. For instance, JQ to Japan and Hawaii. Qantas already offers full service flights to both, yet expansion is using JQ instead of mainline.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 123):
To be fair, no-one is making much $$$ out of Southeast Asia and Southeast Asia - Australia has been a bloodbath primarily of Air Asia X's and MH's making. Both of them need to cut their capacity back and should have already done so.

And Scoot, and Singapore Airlines and Thai and... Going to miss those impossibly cheap fares though.

zkokq · Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:49 am

JetGo have canned the Toowoomba - Sydney service, siting a lack of demand.
http://www.facebook.com/JetgoAustralia/posts/358516007653645

VA82 · Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:08 am

Adding to the SE Asia conversation after flying Cebu Pacific SYD-MNL-SYD I really hope QF are getting better loads then them, would have been lucky to have been 35% there and 50% back.

Also sitting at Sydney at the moment and VH-VUU is looking really scrappy with the paint on the nose looking almost scrapped off. And as I write this VH-YVA has just rocked up with much the same thing, any clues?

mariner · Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:32 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 123):
To be fair, no-one is making much $$$ out of Southeast Asia and Southeast Asia - Australia has been a bloodbath primarily of Air Asia X's and MH's making. Both of them need to cut their capacity back and should have already done so.

Air Asia X's position does seem to be quite tough and it doesn't appear to be just cash flow::

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/en/node/170240

"AirAsia X flies into greater turbulence

AirAsia X Bhd, the long-haul, low-cost affiliate of AirAsia Bhd, appears to be encountering greater turbulence. It is said to be facing payment problems relating to staff salaries and their fixed and variable allowances, sources close to the company said.

The circular stated that basic salary, fixed allowance, productivity allowance and overtime would be paid on Oct 24, while variable allowances such as flying allowance, sector allowance, night stop allowance and commission would be paid on Oct 31.

A source told The Edge Financial Daily that apart from the staff payment issue, AirAsia X is also having difficulty seeking aircraft loans from financial institutions due to its current financial position."

There's been a management shake-up, with Tony Fernandes to take a "more prominent role" and they have, at last, started to rationalise both the network and the fleet.

But some things are still surprising to me - the focus on Bali, for example, with Indonesia AirAsia Extra jumping on DPS-MEL and (according to The Age) AirAsia X itself looking at DPS-SYD.

mariner

TruemanQLD · Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:28 am

Quoting zkokq (Reply 127):
JetGo have canned the Toowoomba - Sydney service, siting a lack of demand.

Slight correction - they have cancelled Roma - Sydney and announced Brisbane to Toowoomba.

SYDSpotter · Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:31 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 130):
Slight correction - they have cancelled Roma - Sydney and announced Brisbane to Toowoomba.

Another slight correction, they announced Brisbane-Tamworth

Brisbane to Toowoomba is an awfully short flight

BNEFlyer · Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:06 am

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 131):
Brisbane to Toowoomba is an awfully short flight

Skytrans already fly TWB-BNE, probably no need for another carrier. Though the jet would do the job quicker!

SYDSpotter · Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:23 am

Quoting BNEFlyer (Reply 132):
Skytrans already fly TWB-BNE

Wow, indeed they do. Their website shows a block time of 30 mins. Given time to clear security/check-in + actual block time gives you about an hour (I've excluded travel time to the airport), the time saving vs actually driving would be fairly insignificant. Is the flight meant to pick up connecting/transit traffic in BNE as opposed to those actually travelling from BNE to TWB?

BNEFlyer · Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:52 am

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 133):
Is the flight meant to pick up connecting/transit traffic in BNE as opposed to those actually travelling from BNE to TWB?

Possibly more connecting that P2P I'd say. If someone is going to travel to the airport and do the whole airport song & dance, they can also travel to Roma Street to get a Greyhound bus service 15 minutes before departure and be in the garden city in 90 minutes, for a fraction of the cost.

VHOGU · Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:57 pm

Does anyone know where the QF 767-336's are stored? I heard there were some stored in Shanghai, are they still there?

timtam · Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:12 am

Quoting VHOGU (Reply 135):
Does anyone know where the QF 767-336's are stored? I heard there were some stored in Shanghai, are they still there?

Saw one stored at Alice Springs a couple weeks ago.

RyanairGuru · Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:15 am

Skytrans BNE-TWB is only served as TWB is a stop along the milk runs. I'm sure that nobody actually flies just that leg, not even connections with a sub-daily service and sky-high fares. I would assume that they are trequired to serve "Toowoomba" as part of the QConnect contract as Rex will be serving BWW on the same routes once they take over the contracts.

skyhawkmatthew · Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:56 am

Quoting timtam (Reply 136):
Saw one stored at Alice Springs a couple weeks ago.

The -336s are the ex-BA aircraft. None of those are stored in Australia.

xiaotung · Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:18 am

http://www.ausbt.com.au/air-new-zeal...=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper

Air China and Air New Zealand signed strategic alliance. CA seems to be VA's only option in China now. How long before CA and VA team up?

AirNiugini · Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:46 am

NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

QF532 on Monday has been switched from a 763 to a 738!!!! Oh sigh... Booked that flight as my final farewell to the wonderful QF 767.

I guess I now have 5 hours in the QFClub to toast a few of the remaining 763 on the ground. Maybe a slim chance of hitching a ride on VH-XZP.

vhebb · Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:51 am

Ring QF they might change you to B763 operated flight?

AirNiugini · Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:34 pm

Quoting vhebb (Reply 141):

You reckon I should give it a go? I think I booked E or O class.

Anyway, even if they could, the next flight is not until 9pm... 767's are better by day light... But I will probably give it a shot. -_-

777Jet · Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:06 am

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 140):
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

QF532 on Monday has been switched from a 763 to a 738!!!! Oh sigh... Booked that flight as my final farewell to the wonderful QF 767. I guess I now have 5 hours in the QFClub to toast a few of the remaining 763 on the ground. Maybe a slim chance of hitching a ride on VH-XZP.

Not surprised. QF 763s must be one of the most switched airline / type combos in history!

Quoting vhebb (Reply 141):
Ring QF they might change you to B763 operated flight?

That would probably get swapped too, only for the original flight to get swapped back to a 763... How devistating that would be

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 142):
You reckon I should give it a go? I think I booked E or O class. Anyway, even if they could, the next flight is not until 9pm... 767's are better by day light... But I will probably give it a shot. -_-

Try. It won't hurt - unless what I mentioned above happens... Soon they will all be gone...

[Edited 2014-11-21 16:07:51]

QF29 · Sun Nov 23, 2014 3:34 am

Hi all!

Quick question, does anyone know a way to look up the registrations for upcoming flights? Ive got a few flights coming up that I would like to know the Rego's.

Cheers

TruemanQLD · Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:16 am

Quoting QF29 (Reply 144):
Quick question, does anyone know a way to look up the registrations for upcoming flights? Ive got a few flights coming up that I would like to know the Rego's.

I believe this is next to impossible, up to a few hours in advance (depending on the route). The only way I know that you can find out before you actually see the aircraft is to see the inbound flight registration, but this won't work for most domestic legs where the aircraft will fly MEL-SYD-BNE-DRW-MEL etc.

I could be wrong though, if anyone does have a way that would be great!

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 142):
You reckon I should give it a go? I think I booked E or O class. Anyway, even if they could, the next flight is not until 9pm... 767's are better by day light... But I will probably give it a shot. -_-

Try Facebook messaging them, worked for me with the exact same situation!

VapourTrails · Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:46 am

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 140):
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

QF532 on Monday has been switched from a 763 to a 738!!!! Oh sigh... Booked that flight as my final farewell to the wonderful QF 767.

So disappointing, not to mention annoying.

I stand corrected above, as I misread the link about the 718 being the last Canberra flight and have observed that there has been an arrival and departure of VH-OGM 763 this evening, even though it was stated as Nov 30 back in the October article - http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-maps-out-boeing-767-retirement-plans

Sometimes we just have to be in the right place at the right time! ..pays not to think about a non-aviation person that is taking the seat on another farewell 763 flight and is probably oblivious to it all! Wow!

[Edited 2014-11-23 02:57:31]

Thai77w · Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:24 am

https://www.airliners.net/photo/NokScoot/Boeing-777-212/ER/2543593/L/

I wonder if these will appear in our skies soon...

Sydscott · Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:48 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 129):
There's been a management shake-up, with Tony Fernandes to take a "more prominent role" and they have, at last, started to rationalise both the network and the fleet.

The first indications of the capacity cuts from AirAsia X are now out:

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...ket-cuts-australia-capacity-197766

Capacity cuts of 15% to 20% over the second and third quarters when demand is quieter. Sydney to be reduced from twice daily to daily is apparently the biggest cut.

Now we'll see what MH does.

SYDSpotter · Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:15 am

Quoting thai77w (Reply 147):
I wonder if these will appear in our skies soon

Lol I love the Nok paint scheme. Was at DMK recently and saw a number of Nok 737's with different "beak" colours

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