Watching all these people griping about Jetstar's 7kg cabin baggage limits starting today and threatening to fly Virgin who have had the same limit for quite a while if not forever.  

Quoting thai77w (Reply 147): https://www.airliners.net/photo/NokScoot/Boeing-777-212/ER/2543593/L/ I wonder if these will appear in our skies soon...

I hope so. I'd love it if a LCC offered non-stop flights between Bangkok and Sydney  

Quoting allrite (Reply 150): Watching all these people griping about Jetstar's 7kg cabin baggage limits starting today and threatening to fly Virgin who have had the same limit for quite a while if not forever.

I'm surprised the 10kg limit lasted as long as it did. I was always surprised that JQ being a LCC offered a greater carry on allowance than many full service airlines...

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 151): I'm surprised the 10kg limit lasted as long as it did. I was always surprised that JQ being a LCC offered a greater carry on allowance than many full service airlines...

It seems Tiger still has 10kg. Anyone care to take bets on how long that will last now?

After having done a few international trips now with only cabin baggage I have to say that 10kg is a nice limit with a bit of flexibility to allow you to actually purchase something. But I know I'd much rather carry 7kg on my back.

The Australian is reporting the QF Link has restructured its operations. The main change is the closing of its PER base with Network taking over its services there using F100s. The Q400s previously located in PER are moving to the East Coast. ADL is also changing slightly with it losing its Q400 and becoming an all Q300 base gaining the Q300s currently based in CNS which becomes an all Q400 base. 4 Q300s are being retired as part of the restructure.

QantasLink schedule changes from March 2015:

http://www.qantas.com.au/agents/dyn/qf/info/201411/1120

Any idea of the new route from Adelaide?

Out of curiosity for future holiday time, can the BNE-CNS milkrun be booked as a single flight on a BNE-CNS itinerary? A dummy booking gives a few direct options on mainline and a scattering of vastly-more-expensive connections like BNE-MKY-CNS and BNE-TSV-CNS, or even better, BNE-MEL-SYD-CNS, but not the milkrun...

Very interesting changes to QLink.

While we knew that Network was taking over some PER flying, I think we all assumed that was to replace 717s so that they could come back east.

Interesting that ADL becomes all Q300 and CNS all Q400, but with the relatively new split of Eastern and Sunstate along aircraft lines rather than geographically it probably makes sense to make the smaller bases all or the other. With ADL going Q300 are we likely to see Eastern take over OLP from Alliance?

Cuts to Brisbane-Biloela and Brisbane-Gladstone are not surprising given the slow down in the resources sector, but I'm surprised that they are making such deep cuts to the Coastal flying program

Quoting vhebb (Reply 154): QantasLink schedule changes from March 2015: http://www.qantas.com.au/agents/dyn/qf/info/201411/1120 Any idea of the new route from Adelaide?

Interesting.

As for the new ADL route in order of likelyhood I'd have to go with Mount Gambier, Whyalla or Mildura.

Quoting XAM2175 (Reply 155): an the BNE-CNS milkrun be booked as a single flight on a BNE-CNS itinerary?

I don't think they've ever offered the Milk run as a single flight number beyond BNE/MKY at least not in the last 10 years. Every time I book it the website sells it as with an change of plane connection in either ROK or MKY. It's a little disappointing to see it reduced to 1x daily for the BNE/MKY portion. When I travel north I'll generally book the milk run in at least one direction.

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 114):

Looks pretty good. It looks like the toilet count will be dropped.  

Out of interest, how many QF A330's are needed to fly the domestic transcon flights?

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 143): That would probably get swapped too, only for the original flight to get swapped back to a 763... How devistating that would be

Ha! yeah buddy... just my luck. I called QF, but the next 763 flight was not until 9pm... And I arrived in Sydney at 8am that morning, so decided not to change it (7am start today   ).

Quoting XAM2175 (Reply 155):

I'm not too sure about BNE all the way to CNS, but I have done the BNE - TSV via ROK and MKY once before. Its pretty fun, but we had to stay on the plane during the layovers... So it was a pretty long day. I would do it again though.  

Quoting vhqpa (Reply 157): When I travel north I'll generally book the milk run in at least one direction.

Sounds awesome. Do you get a higher status/ mile earn rate for booking multi sectors, or is it just the same as a non-stop?

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 156): While we knew that Network was taking over some PER flying, I think we all assumed that was to replace 717s so that they could come back east.

I think this confirms that with the slowdown in the mining industry QF has capacity in Network to takeover QF Link's Q400 services. Admittedly QFLink is fairly small in PER on these short runs compared with VARA which has the short-haul prop routes inherited from Skywest days.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 156): With ADL going Q300 are we likely to see Eastern take over OLP from Alliance?

Potentially though it will depend on QF's existing contractual arrangement with Alliance.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 156): Cuts to Brisbane-Biloela and Brisbane-Gladstone are not surprising given the slow down in the resources sector, but I'm surprised that they are making such deep cuts to the Coastal flying program

Not surprised that GLT-ROK got cut. These cities are only 90 minutes drive apart so there would be very few people actually flying this sector.

My business does significant coastal flying in QLD as we have offices in TSV, MKY, ROK, GLT and BNE. As a rule we rarely fly the whole milk-run but often fly sectors such as TSV-MKY where QF charge extortionate airfares. It is often cheaper to fly MEL-TSV than MKY-TSV.

The addition of VARA on GLT-BNE has significantly lowered fares on this sector and I'd be surprised if QF Link don't look to replace the 717s on this short sector with an all Q400 service. The 717s have higher operating costs but are no quicker and often delayed due to BNE congestion whereas a Q400 (or AT7) can operate off the second runway in BNE.

Interesting to see this evenings QF566 (PER-SYD) coming in to SYD with a scheduled time of 22:25 and an ETA of 23:36,
will this cost QF as it is inside the curfew?

Razza74

Quoting Razza74 (Reply 160):

My pure chance I flicked on Flight Radar 24 when it was about 10miles out of Sydney. It must have got dispensation as there is no way QF would have done what EK did and just land anyway - the fine is just too big.

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 158): Quoting 777Jet (Reply 143): That would probably get swapped too, only for the original flight to get swapped back to a 763... How devistating that would be Ha! yeah buddy... just my luck. I called QF, but the next 763 flight was not until 9pm... And I arrived in Sydney at 8am that morning, so decided not to change it (7am start today ).

My wife just asked me if I had booked one last flight on a QF 767. I said 'no'. She asked why given that she knows how much I love 767s. I replied: "because I don't want to end up flying on just another 737"...  

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TN A340 F-OJTN operated an Adagold military charter to SYD today

Qantas has been granted access to HND slots.

Source.

Any word on the time of QF's slots. If they operate another daily service wonder where the aircraft will come from. Not sure it will be able to sit on ground in HND all day? Real estate a bit tight up there.

Quoting ben175 (Reply 164): Qantas has been granted access to HND slots.

The real question is at what arrival, departure times? There is no mention of that in the article.

Gemuser

Quoting gemuser (Reply 166): The real question is at what arrival, departure times? There is no mention of that in the article.

Quoting ben175 (Reply 164): Qantas has been granted access to HND slots.

My understanding with HND was that Australian Carriers have had, for quite some time, access to slots but the slot timesh are unworkable. (ie the same one's that the American's have) That's why QF haven't ever applied or used them.

I would assume that this announcement means that Australia has somehow been granted a pair of slots at better times which QF will apply to use. If that's the case it will be very interesting to see what Virgin does because this is an ideal opportunity for them to launch Tokyo flights................

Quoting ben175 (Reply 164): Qantas has been granted access to HND slots.

So we will see them operating daily SYD-HND and SYD-NRT? As well as JL, their OW partner, operating daily SYD-NRT?

The article mentions a 2nd city, but I would struggle to see them operating MEL-HND, and SYD-NRT. What should happen is they switch the daily SYD-NRT to MEL/BNE-NRT and then launch daily SYD-NRT.

The QF Group has an impressive service level to Japan at present:

-QF - Daily SYD-NRT on the 744
-JQ - Daily CNS-NRT on the 788
-JQ - 5x Weekly CNS-KIX on the 788
-JQ - 6x Weekly OOL-NRT on the 788
-JQ - 4x Weekly MEL-NRT on the ???
-JL Codeshare - Daily SYD-NRT on the 772

MEL-NRT was only launched around April this year, but I would expect to see QF Mainline return to BNE before MEL for Japan services.

Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 165): Any word on the time of QF's slots. If they operate another daily service wonder where the aircraft will come from. Not sure it will be able to sit on ground in HND all day? Real estate a bit tight up there.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 167): My understanding with HND was that Australian Carriers have had, for quite some time, access to slots but the slot timesh are unworkable. (ie the same one's that the American's have) That's why QF haven't ever applied or used them.

I would find it unlikely that QF would be able to get slots similar to SYD-NRT with morning arrival and evening departure. Given HND slots are as rare as hen's teeth QF probably will do a shorter ~2 hour turnaround instead.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 168): So we will see them operating daily SYD-HND and SYD-NRT? As well as JL, their OW partner, operating daily SYD-NRT?

AusBT claims that QF will operate the HND service from somewhere other than SYD. They haven't attributed this to anyone at QF so this may be conjecture on their part. Having both JL & QF on SYD-NRT and QF operating HND from elsewhere doesn't make sense to me. I would leave NRT to JL and have QF run SYD-HND. QF could then move SYD-NRT to either MEL or BNE.

Interestingly the Qantas travel agent's website states (my bolding):

Quote: We’re working towards publishing our fares to Haneda in selling systems before the end of the year, together with details on schedule and aircraft type. Some schedule changes may be made to the Narita service so that the combined services offer better flexibility for customers.

Qantas to fly direct to Haneda, Tokyo
This seems to indicate that QF will operate SYD-NRT & SYD-HND, which would be consistent with QF building SYD over MEL/BNE.

Quoting ben175 (Reply 164): Qantas has been granted access to HND slots.

Woohoo! It would be nice for services to start before April from Sydney (just for something different on my next flights. Can't keep writing the same trip reports!   )

Quoting from the linked article:

Quote: The codeshare with its Jetstar Japan joint venture is designed to offer more travel options internally through Narita and, subject to regulatory approval, will be available for bookings from today for travel from January 15. The new Haneda service will also provide seamless connections with Qantas partner Japan Airlines.

Very much a premium/LCC split then. I'm surprised they didn't codeshare already as some of the Jetstar Japan departures connected quite well with QF21.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 168): MEL-NRT was only launched around April this year, but I would expect to see QF Mainline return to BNE before MEL for Japan services.

Through the MEL-NRT services Qantas would now have a good idea of the traffic and demand from MEL so I wouldn't be surprised by a switch to mainline if the demand supports it. Would BNE be a destination in its own right from Japan compared with OOL? How about outbound comparing BNE/OOL? Which serves the Qld market better, QF or JQ in this case? Surely a BNE service would mean dropping some or all JQ services to OOL.

Edit: The AusBT article says August - too late for me. One comment below the article made a fair point: Narita's NEX service is convenient for travellers like me who go to Shinjuku. I've personally had few problems with Narita. Be interesting if Qantas increases aircraft utilisation by not having the whole day layover in NRT. Also, perhaps they can split traffic between HND/NRT by using smaller aircraft than the 747 currently used.

[Edited 2014-11-27 14:52:11]

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 169): This seems to indicate that QF will operate SYD-NRT & SYD-HND, which would be consistent with QF building SYD over MEL/BNE.

Depends on how you interpret it I guess. Can't see SYD having both SYD-NRT and SYD-HND. I reckon it will be MEL-NRT, unless QF pull the 747 out of NRT and do a A330 service to NRT/HND from SYD which will limit the capacity increase.

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 169): I would find it unlikely that QF would be able to get slots similar to SYD-NRT with morning arrival and evening departure. Given HND slots are as rare as hen's teeth QF probably will do a shorter ~2 hour turnaround instead.

Agreed. It makes sense for a HND service from SYD to be bunched in with the other Asian departures. So you would have a morning HND flight which arrives in the evening and returns overnight with a NRT flight that is red-eye both ways. That would seem to make sense from a network perspective.

Quoting allrite (Reply 170): Very much a premium/LCC split then. I'm surprised they didn't codeshare already as some of the Jetstar Japan departures connected quite well with QF21.

I think this will now align even more at NRT with the GK offering. So they can red eye connections into NRT and put them onto GK while Tokyo O&D business pax pay a premium to fly into HND.

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 171): Depends on how you interpret it I guess. Can't see SYD having both SYD-NRT and SYD-HND. I reckon it will be MEL-NRT, unless QF pull the 747 out of NRT and do a A330 service to NRT/HND from SYD which will limit the capacity increase.

I'd say this will mean the 744 will come off of Japan with both services becoming an A330. Once the new Business Class is in QF will have a few more A330's which can be deployed to International markets and that, in turn, allows for the additional seats they're putting on the 738's to take up some of the slack domestically if more A330's go international. A smart move by QF.

hey everyone...

Does anyone know which aircraft (A333) will be operating tomorrow's CX110? I'm flying up to HKG tomorrow and would like to know the cabin config (eg Cirrus seats or not). And also if anyone would have an idea of the load factor?


Thanks in advance!  

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 172): I think this will now align even more at NRT with the GK offering. So they can red eye connections into NRT and put them onto GK while Tokyo O&D business pax pay a premium to fly into HND.

If SYD-NRT is aiming to connect onto GK at NRT, it's an awful waste to have the plane sitting all day at NRT. QF could retime QF22 as a daylight return leaving NRT ~0830 and coming into SYD ~2030. Then use SYD-HND as daylight northbound and overnight return.

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 171): A330 service to NRT/HND from SYD which will limit the capacity increase.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 172): I'd say this will mean the 744 will come off of Japan with both services becoming an A330.

Makes sense to me too. I recall when QF was aiming to get down to 9 744s there weren't going to be enough frames to operate all their 744 destinations. Speculation was that HKG would go A330, but with HND coming I can see SYD-NRT & SYD-HND both an A330.

Quoting a36001 (Reply 173): Does anyone know which aircraft (A333) will be operating tomorrow's CX110? I'm flying up to HKG tomorrow and would like to know the cabin config (eg Cirrus seats or not). And also if anyone would have an idea of the load factor?

All CX A330s used to SYD have the Cirrus J seat. The A330s with regional J don't get sent to SYD and all the "coffins" are gone from the A330.

And in further Japan news today:

http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviat...jetstar-japan-20141128-11vz3l.html

QF and JL have each injected a further AUD57 million in GK. The most interesting part of this is the article states GK will start selling tickets for International services in December....................if it's true the word "FINALLY!" comes to mind. That means QF will have injected $177 million into GK in total equity.

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 163): TN A340 F-OJTN operated an Adagold military charter to SYD today

Adagold have lost the contract from defense. Their office in Brisbane is now closed and packed up.

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 171): unless QF pull the 747 out of NRT and do a A330 service to NRT/HND from SYD which will limit the capacity increase.

I really like this idea...

Also, would that mean there would be 1 x 744 that QF could retire sooner??? Not that I want to see them go, I don't, but what would they do with the NRT 744?

Will this also mean that the JL SYD flights move to HND ?

The only way I can see QF not operating SYD/HND is if JL operate SYD/HND, QF operate SYD/NRT and the new QF flight to HND operate out of another port, be it MEL or BNE and they are operated as joint services/code shares. That way both airlines get to operate SYD to both HND and NRT and the new flight to HND from say BNE.

Timings into both Tokyo airports need to be able to maximise connection opportunities at both ends, so I really can't see SYD schedules changing too much. BNE and MEL being curfew free opens up some freedom in scheduling, but in reality, any flight arriving late at night into HND will not meet any connections to domestic destinations and arriving into either BNE or MEL late as well, meets with the same problem.

Guess we need to wait and see when the slots are allocated for and then be better able to judge the Australian port to be selected.

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 174): Speculation was that HKG would go A330, but with HND coming I can see SYD-NRT & SYD-HND both an A330.

I disagree -- such a move would create a glut of Y capacity while doing nothing to provide additional J capacity for all this economic/corporate growth that is apparently happening between Australia and Japan.

1x B744 offers 58J/36W/270Y, while 2x A330 would offer 56J/480-540Y (depending on the combination of -200/-300). 1x B744/1x A330 would offer 86J/36W/510-540Y.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 177): Also, would that mean there would be 1 x 744 that QF could retire sooner??? Not that I want to see them go, I don't, but what would they do with the NRT 744?

By the end of 2015, the 744 fleet will be doing (with my prediction for TYO):

2.0 - QF17 SYD-LAX
2.0 - QF15 BNE-LAX-JFK
1.0 - QF95 MEL-LAX
1.5 - QF63 SYD-JNB (timings tie in with QF17 above)
1.5 - QF27 SYD-SCL
1.0 - QF21 SYD-HND

The generous 1.5 for JNB and SCL provides some slack (probably 3-4 days per week downtime at SYD across the week, plus maintenance time at LAX) which can be used to cover operational issues (for the A380 fleet as well) and for seasonal increases. There is no further heavy maintenance due on the 744 fleet until the end of the decade (by which time there will hopefully be 789s flying around in QF colours) so no issues with long absences.

It is tight, but that's just the way QF is doing things these days.

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 178): The only way I can see QF not operating SYD/HND is if JL operate SYD/HND, QF operate SYD/NRT and the new QF flight to HND operate out of another port, be it MEL or BNE and they are operated as joint services/code shares.

Which is extremely unlikely to happen -- QF would only benefit from such an arrangement if it came under a profit/metal neutral JV, which would never be allowed on a duopoly route like SYD-TYO.

I'm curious as to where the media whispers about a non-SYD route are coming from. I haven't seen anything official, but it would make sense IMO (probably ex-BNE to make it a sensible option for MEL/SYD traffic).

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 178): Guess we need to wait and see when the slots are allocated for and then be better able to judge the Australian port to be selected.

QF wouldn't even consider moving SYD to HND if they didn't have slots that allowed them to maintain a good schedule for corporate passengers. They must have some killer daytime slots lined up, I'm thinking something along the lines of a 6pm arrival and 7:30-8pm departure (equating to a 10am departure from SYD and a 7-8am arrival back) -- bear in mind that the whole HND slots situation is extremely political and that Australia is very much in Japan's good books these days. I wouldn't be surprised if some favourable slots were thrown in as a sweetener in the FTA negotiations/discussions earlier this year.

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 178): Guess we need to wait and see when the slots are allocated for and then be better able to judge the Australian port to be selected.

HND will be SYD. Proximity of HND to central Tokyo makes HND a more premium centric market vs NRT and HND also provides better domestic connectivity options within Japan. If QF are going to start a new service out of Oz (MEL/BNE/PER), it will be to NRT and not HND. I would be highly surprised if out of this there is no SYD-HND.

QF have served MEL/PER/BNE to NRT until a few years ago, with 767's.

Quoting TC957 (Reply 182): QF have served MEL/PER/BNE to NRT until a few years ago, with 767's

I've lived in SE Qld close to BNE my entire life and can't recall QF flying BNE-NRT, at least in recent years. However, I do remember that QF coseshared with JL, who had 2 daily flights to BNE - one from NRT, the other from KIX, both flown with the 742 and arrived into BNE fairly close to each other. KIX loads or yields ended up in the rubbish heap so that fkight got canned while NRT-BNE was over time upgauged to rhe 743, followed not long after by the 744, then downgauged to the 763 due to dwindling passenger numbers before eventually being cut (or more truly, indefinitely suspended). JQ then started flying BNE-NRT/KIX with QF codeshares before transferring those flights to OOL.

Unless QF flew BNE-NRT on their own metal over 10-15 years ago, I'm one to have a memory failure on the topic.

Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 183):

I can't recall them flying nonstop but they used to fly BNE-CNS-NRT 763 (742 Before that) I think the flight numbers were QF69/QF168. JL served NRT-BNE with various 747 models then 763. KIX was almost always one of two 743 in the peach coloured Reso'cha livery. It was also triangulated with SYD flying a KIX-BNE-SYD-KIX pattern.

However the only time JQ served BNE-Japan was briefly when they first started A330 ops they took over the JL KIX flight and it was only the inbound leg from KIX. It was quickly transfered to OOL

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 162):

Yeah we learn the hard way man. I ended up on VXJ, rough weather, a few loops around the gold coast before heading in... It would have been magic on a B767.  

If I am not mistaken, I think we will be down to PX and NZ serving BNE with 767's by early next year. What sadness!  

Quoting qf002 (Reply 180): I disagree -- such a move would create a glut of Y capacity while doing nothing to provide additional J capacity for all this economic/corporate growth that is apparently happening between Australia and Japan.

How is QF's Premium Economy performing up to Japan these days? It would be interesting to see if it is introduced on the HND route. It must be a great little money maker if considering it has been in the market for such a long time... But then I thought I read somewhere that all QF asian operations were changing to A330's?

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 181): HND will be SYD. Proximity of HND to central Tokyo makes HND a more premium centric market vs NRT and HND also provides better domestic connectivity options within Japan. If QF are going to start a new service out of Oz (MEL/BNE/PER), it will be to NRT and not HND. I would be highly surprised if out of this there is no SYD-HND.

The thing about the announcement of the route has me questioning SYD...if it was going to be SYD-HND it would have been announced Qantas to serve daily flights from SYD-HND. The fact that the announcement doesn't specify does leave it well open to other port. I'm thinking a MEL-BNE-HND-BNE-MEL route is highly possible. There have been lots of talk recently (yet again) about JL returning to BNE...maybe they will do it in the form of a codeshare on a direct service with QF to Tokyo?

I agree that SYD would be the obvious choice, but not by maintaining the existing NRT service along side JLs to NRT. If that was the case I would have expected to see the switch to SYD-HND with QF, leaving JL SYD-NRT, and adding QF services to NRT from BNE or MEL.

Anyway, whatever happens, good to see QF doing some international expansion lately, along side the recent announcement of increased services and capacity to North America  

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 186): There has been lots of talk recently (yet again) about JL returning to BNE...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they codeshare on QF51/52 (BNE-SIN-BNE) and possibly QF97/98 (BNE-HKG-BNE)?

Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 187): Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they codeshare on QF51/52 (BNE-SIN-BNE) and possibly QF97/98 (BNE-HKG-BNE)?

Fairly sure they do on BNE-SIN, not sure about BNE-HKG. However, its hardly something to celebrate/advertise about BNE-NRT via SIN (4422mi direct, 7140mi via SIN).

There is no way QF is going to launch HND from anywhere other than SYD.

My prediction is:
-Daily QF SYD-HND
-Daily JL SYD-NRT
-Daily QF BNE-NRT

Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 183): I've lived in SE Qld close to BNE my entire life and can't recall QF flying BNE-NRT, at least in recent years.

They did until 2009, certainly via CNS outbound but IIRC it was non-stop inbound.


If they were to operate a schedule similar to what they currently have at NRT then they will have no problem with slots with just a little tinkering. So long as they landed before 6am and left over 10pm they could use the night time slots, which are wide open. I think that they will look to increase utilisation, though, so a ~6pm arrival would be more likely. As I've said previously, I thought that the existing schedule to NRT with an overnight in each direction was on borrowed time already, and this probably confirms it.

Forgot about QF's BNE-CNS-NRT flight - JL's twice daily flights on the 742's where more prominant in my mind than the QF service.

I would think a MEL-NRT route would have a better chance at starting than BNE - QF could easily replace JQ's services which have a midnight arrival in MEL with better timings, not to mention any potential BNE service has a good possibility of taking away pax from JQ's flight to OOL, which is quite close to BNE (JQ11/12).

Hi all,

A few weeks ago I saw Ex JQ bird VH-EBC arrive back from Singapore after being freshly painted into the current QF colours. And this got me thinking, does Qantas replace the interior with its current A330 interior or does QF keep the Jetstar interior?

Cheers

QF replace all the JQ seat covers, carpets, and curtains with the current QF ones.

When all the A330s go through the new biz class refits the international A330 fleet will get brand new Y class seats and IFE. The domestic A330s will be getting new style Y class seat covers to match the international A330s but won't be getting new seats, simply new cushions and covers for domestic.

I also believe the B73H fleet will also be getting the new style seat covers.

The new red/grey Y class covers can be seen here:

http://qmrcdn.qantasnewsroom.com.au/...36c70bcd5f20e2/A330-Fact-Sheet.pdf

Hope this helps.

[Edited 2014-11-29 19:52:10]

[Edited 2014-11-29 19:54:15]

Quoting vhebb (Reply 192):

Thanks for that.

When they go the refit will they be getting IFE like most of the QF 330's?

Cheers

Quoting QF29 (Reply 193): When they go the refit will they be getting IFE like most of the QF 330's?

They will definitely get their IFE updated.

However, it will most likely not include PTVs in Y for the first six (EBA - EBF) as the press releases have only mentioned new seats in Y for international A330s (I presume this means QPA - QPJ and EBG/H/I/L) and "refreshed" seats in Y for the other domestic A330s.

This will mean that -

1. EBA - EBF will have new seats in J but reupholstered seats in Y (probably with iPad holders a la the 767s at the moment). Y will probably have to make do with QStreaming.

2. EBM - EBS and EBV will most likely retain their current Weber seats in Y since they already have 9" touch screens installed.

Thats correct about the Y class A330 IFE.

The current domestic A330s that have PTVs will keep them, the ones without IFE will get Q-Streaming as well as the main screen.

The international A330s will get brand new PTVs (larger ones) as well as Q-Streaming.

Biz class on all A330s will have IFE fitted with the new biz class suites.

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 181): HND will be SYD. Proximity of HND to central Tokyo makes HND a more premium centric market vs NRT and HND also provides better domestic connectivity options within Japan. If QF are going to start a new service out of Oz (MEL/BNE/PER), it will be to NRT and not HND. I would be highly surprised if out of this there is no SYD-HND.

Another Australian aviation related site reported this: "The airline will continue its daily flights from Sydney to Tokyo's Narita Airport flights, although it suggests that the timing of that flight may change "so that the combined services offer better flexibility for customers."

Like current Sydney-Narita schedule, the Haneda service will be an overnight flight from Australia to reach Tokyo in the morning.

However, the new Haneda flights are not expected to be anchored in Sydney, with Qantas considering other capital cities to anchor the route – opening the possibility of new routes such as Brisbane-Tokyo or Melbourne-Tokyo."

I'd like to think it'll be BNE-HND.

Quoting BNEFlyer (Reply 196): I'd like to think it'll be BNE-HND.

If its NOT SYD-HND [which I'll believe when I see it] it'll be MEL-HND or in a distant third place MEL-BNE-HND.

Gemuser

Quoting gemuser (Reply 197): If its NOT SYD-HND [which I'll believe when I see it] it'll be MEL-HND or in a distant third place MEL-BNE-HND. Gemuser

if it's not to be SYD-HND I agree MEL-HND is probably the most obvious next choice. Having said that JAL was known to do decent business out of BNE before they withdrew from the route and BNE does provide an ideal connection point for both SYD & MEL. So who knows really.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 180): By the end of 2015, the 744 fleet will be doing (with my prediction for TYO): 2.0 - QF17 SYD-LAX 2.0 - QF15 BNE-LAX-JFK 1.0 - QF95 MEL-LAX 1.5 - QF63 SYD-JNB (timings tie in with QF17 above) 1.5 - QF27 SYD-SCL 1.0 - QF21 SYD-HND

The only thing I would suggest is that HND won't be getting the 744 if SYD-HND is added. It makes sense to keep the 744 at NRT and to fly an A330 to HND which they can then charge a premium on in all classes over NRT. That means the cheaper fares and connections, especially those to GK, go to NRT while those willing to pay to fly to the closer in airport pay more.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 188): My prediction is: -Daily QF SYD-HND -Daily JL SYD-NRT -Daily QF BNE-NRT

I also think this is most likely... however, the question is what times are international ops permitted in HND?

I was of the understanding that flights could only operate 2200-0600.

as an aside, could Jetstar japan also be looking to change operations to HND?