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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:59 am

NZ1, by gone, do you mean parked? Reason I ask is that there are still 17 showing on the CAA register so don't appear to be off the books yet?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:14 am

Quoting kaiwhara (Reply 50):
Reason I ask is that there are still 17 showing on the CAA register

Air Fleets shows 15: http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Eagle%20Airways.htm

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:42 am

NAC used to fly WLG-Westport-Hokitika-CHC, this is another route I'm surprised they haven't thought of reintroducing rather than cancelling WLG-Westport. AKL-Whakatane-Gisborne-WLG used to be flown too from memory. They'd be perfect for the Dash-8.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:02 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 52):
AKL-Whakatane-Gisborne-WLG used to be flown too from memory.

Then there were the days of the DC3s which used to ply AKL-TRG-GIS-NPE-PMR-WLG. Now that's a milk run . . .
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:16 pm

Quoting PA515 (Reply 48):

It appears nine ATR72-600's have been acquired for $200m, and four more for $100m making thirteen. There's a reference to thirteen in another Media Release.

http://airnz.co.nz/regionalchanges

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:32 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 36):
and am reminded that aerorobnz has a very,very good track record of being right about stuff on these threads. So maybe it will be ATR-42-600s afterall.

I don't know about that. Sure I have been saying this should happen for ages, but it's nice they have finally listened to me ...hahaha. So whatever happens now be they -42s or -72s (or indeed -92s), we can expect ATRs will run the remainder of NZ services outside of jet ops once the DH8s are dead and buried.

TBH I'm sorry to lose the 1900Ds, I love to fly them. I'm going to have book a whole bunch of flights starting with the routes that are going. I'm already booked on NSN-PMR (which is a Q300 - go figure) but I would like a few more of them in the logbook.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:33 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 46):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 43):
Four new 68 seaters worth $100m http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/6....html

Any chance they are the ones that VA have currently parked up in storage?

VA don't have any ATRs in storage at the moment. These will likely be (as already mentioned) new aircraft as the options are exercised.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:51 am

Work starts today on a new $48m extension to WLGs main terminal which will increase its size by a third, provide four extra gates and have a main security screening zone

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/6...ension-for-wellington-airport.html

Interesting to note when watching the video that it appears the food court is gone! Doesn't show where it moved to.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:25 am

Masterton's hopes for an Auckland air link needs support following the collapse of Vincent Aviation. The other option of Air Chathams with a Metroliner is still an option

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...rarapa-Auckland-link-needs-support
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:06 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 58):
Masterton's hopes for an Auckland air link needs support following the collapse of Vincent Aviation. The other option of Air Chathams with a Metroliner is still an option

If the destinations which are being cut aren't making it work, MRO has no chance of making money. They should put the money into a better fast rail link with WLG

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 53):
Then there were the days of the DC3s which used to ply AKL-TRG-GIS-NPE-PMR-WLG. Now that's a milk run . . .

There's an Air Chathams (Pacific) DC3 at AKL that is ideal for that purpose...
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:02 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 57):
Work starts today on a new $48m extension to WLGs main terminal which will increase its size by a third, provide four extra gates and have a main security screening zone

How is this financed? Do both Infratil and Wellington City have to raise the money ?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:55 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 60):

How is this financed? Do both Infratil and Wellington City have to raise the money ?

Yes, ratepayers of Wellington City and of Greater Wellington both make a contribution and the rest is through Infratil, which has a lot of cash to spend currently.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:15 pm

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 40):
I'm a little surprised by Whakatane being cut altogether.

It looks as if tiny Sun Air may come to the rescue of the route:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-ple...cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=11357190

"Whakatane thrown lifeline after Air NZ cuts"

And also Kaitaia:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11357674

"Sunair may be north's saviour

A Tauranga-based operator is poised to take over Air New Zealand's cancelled regional air services from Whakatane and Kaitaia but will charge similar prices."


I hope they happen.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:27 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 62):
It looks as if tiny Sun Air may come to the rescue of the route:

Good luck to them, I hope they do well.

Maybe Sounds Air will pick up the NSN-PMR flight? Possibly WSZ-WLG as well... my Heaphey Track trip in Autumn is contingent on a flight out of WSZ to WLG.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:47 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 63):
Maybe Sounds Air will pick up the NSN-PMR flight? Possibly WSZ-WLG as well... my Heaphey Track trip in Autumn is contingent on a flight out of WSZ to WLG.

Westport has its eye on Sounds Air or Air West Coast (new to me) to replace the WLG service:

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/323162/westport-seeks-new-airline

"Westport seeks new airline

An approach to Greymouth-based Air West Coast or someone like Blenheim-based Sounds Air were clear possibilities and needed to happen "as soon as possible"."


I think it may be a very interesting, if very small, shake up of regional NZ service. If Sun Air does take Whakatane and Kaitaia, it surely expands their horizons (I assume they'll use AKL rather than AMZ?) and WSZ-WLG would look good on Sounds Air route map:

http://www.soundsair.com/routes

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:55 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 63):

The C206 and C208 from a local provider are the right aircraft for these small towns. However I'm not convinced that any of these new airlines will provide the 'cheap' fares these towns think they deserve without subsidy. It is far more likely they will determine there will be either one fare only with no promos or one changeable one nonrefundable fare. As they do for many of this kind of flight worldwide. 12 seats x $129 rather than 19 seats with an airline fare structure 1x 49 1x 59 4 x 79 5x129 2x 149 4x $189 for eg:.
Air Chathams fare structure for CHT gives you some idea...
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:03 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 65):
However I'm not convinced that any of these new airlines will provide the 'cheap' fares these towns think they deserve without subsidy.

Sunair has already said that the Kaitaia fares will "similar" to what they are now:

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/carr...profitable-kaitaia-flights-6128334

"However, Sunair Aviation is confident it can operate profitably flying 12-seater aircraft at more convenient times than Air New Zealand.

"We hope that the airfares will be similar to what they are now but once we have all the costs we'll be able to give a clearer fixed price," says Sunair Aviation director Bev Power."


I guess they're not ruling out sightly higher fares, but I don't think Kaitaia cares too much as long as they have the service.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:11 pm

Looks like Sounds Air is acquiring another Cessna to launch 3x weekday PPQ-BHE service starting in January.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:12 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 66):
but I don't think Kaitaia cares too much as long as they have the service.

Whatever tariff is charged If they don't use it they will lose it. It doesn't matter if it's NZ or Soundsair, Sunair etc, that's the problem I have with the whole thing - I don't think if they gain an airline straight away they will appreciate what they have lost and 6 months later the air operator will go the way of Vincent Aviation and Origin Pacific.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:09 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 68):
Whatever tariff is charged If they don't use it they will lose it.

If folk don't use it they will lose it. - it's the basis of airline business, or should be.

But I think it is more than worth the try and I'm cheering them on. I have great affection and respect for little airlines that try and Sunair has been viable - in one form or another - for twenty two years.

But then I live in the country, by choice, and perhaps I different view of this shake-out.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:09 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 59):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 58):Masterton's hopes for an Auckland air link needs support following the collapse of Vincent Aviation. The other option of Air Chathams with a Metroliner is still an option If the destinations which are being cut aren't making it work, MRO has no chance of making money. They should put the money into a better fast rail link with WLG

A routes success depends on two things, the type of aircraft and the population size. The type of aircraft obviously means what fares can be charged for the route but the population size depends if the route survives. According the Masterton District Council the NZ service was getting good loads with the 1900D. If say a Saab340 or Q300 was operating the route, how many more passengers would use the service since lower fares could be offered? I guess we'll most likely never know but I really do hope the Saab service can go ahead and test the market with a bigger aircraft.

Quoting Texan (Reply 67):

Source?
 
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:16 am

Found a news article regarding the BHE-PPQ Sounds Air service

Sounds Air managing director Andrew Crawford said they expected to make three return flights a day, five days a week on the new route, starting in January.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-e...03/Sounds-Air-expands-its-services
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:47 am

Did anyone get a photo (that they're willing to share) of the German Air Force A340-300 today? Fantastic looking plane!

Also there was a Canadian Air Force A310 (in its horrid new livery) and a few days ago a Chilean 767-300.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 55):
once the DH8s are dead and buried

I wonder how long this will take?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Fri Nov 14, 2014 12:23 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 73):

Nope. Was busy flying. I got both luftwaffe A340s in TXL a couple of years ago so I didnt bother taking photos here. Watched the chancellor deboard in wind and rain last night.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:37 pm

"Air New Zealand NW15 Long-Haul Changes"

Well we know where next years 787's will go then -

Auckland – Shanghai Pu Dong eff 25OCT15 Daily service operates with Boeing 787-9, replacing 5 weekly 787 and 2 weekly 777-200ER

NZ289 AKL2355 – 0710+1PVG 789 D
NZ288 PVG1415 – 0650+1AKL 789 D

where will the 772's go then?

http://airlineroute.net/2014/11/13/nz-w15update1/
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Fri Nov 14, 2014 4:04 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 73):
I wonder how long this will take?

Still quite a bit of life left in the Q's I would think. They only came in 2006 onwards I think so less than a decade old
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:56 pm

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 75):
where will the 772's go then?



I am predicting a EDTO>180-min. route.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:25 pm

Does NZ have 789 options beyond 10 frames or are 7 through 10 still options yet to be exercised? Any idea when the first 77E's might leave the fleet. Are they 5 leased and 3 owned ? The annual report suggests they are safe through FY 2018
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:46 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 78):
Does NZ have 789 options beyond 10 frames or are 7 through 10 still options yet to be exercised? Any idea when the first 77E's might leave the fleet. Are they 5 leased and 3 owned ? The annual report suggests they are safe through FY 2018

Can't find the article right now, but an few months back NZ said they we're looking to purchase an additional 7x 789 for expatiation.

The 772 still have a decent amount of life left in them, they are only just refitting them now. Which means they aren't going to be leaving the fleet in an hurry.

772/77W fleet are more likely to be replaced by the 777X or A350
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:47 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 79):
772/77W fleet are more likely to be replaced by the 777X or A350

The clue here would be the lease terms . Some/all of the 77E on lease had their terms extended from circa 2013/2014 . The annual report would suggest at least a 5-year extension. I would expect the 77W leases to be not less than 10 to 12-years.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:53 pm

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 75):

Fingers crossed that another new route/s will be announced with all this spare capacity coming on board
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:55 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 73):

It was a really tough shot.. A rain band came across as they taxied out and along with that came a howling gale..

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5610/15601214048_39fe1ce1cd_b.jpgGerman Air Force Airbus A340-300 by ANZ787900, on Flickr
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:36 am

Speaking of shots, has anyone taken a pic of multiple A380's on the ground at AKL?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:40 am

 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:53 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 78):
Does NZ have 789 options beyond 10 frames or are 7 through 10 still options yet to be exercised? Any idea when the first 77E's might leave the fleet. Are they 5 leased and 3 owned ? The annual report suggests they are safe through FY 2018

Ten ordered, plus eight options and six purchase rights. Can't remember the source, but not recent.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:33 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 85):

Could we see some -8 versions for leisure markets with higher Y seating then the current -9s? Hopefully the -10 version also joins the fleet as a 772 replacement
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:06 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 86):
Could we see some -8 versions for leisure markets with higher Y seating then the current -9s? Hopefully the -10 version also joins the fleet as a 772 replacement

Didn't NZ already rule out the -10 an few months back? and the -8 along time ago.

The 787-10 doesn't have the range to operate AKL-LAX/SFO without having penalties on cargo and passenger numbers.
See - http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...antas/story-e6frg95x-1226984819416

Aren't the 789 already configured for the low yielding leisure market? they already only have 18 J seats.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:00 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 87):
Aren't the 789 already configured for the low yielding leisure market? they already only have 18 J seats.

I don't view the current 787 layout as being excellent for low yielding leisure routes. Those markets don't need J IMHO and the Y+ would be perfect as the premium seat. If NZ wants three different versions of the 789 then maybe that is the best way to handle the lower yielding routes. Only problem with that is putting more Y seats into a 789 without J could end up being too much for some markets which is where the -8 would come in.

IIRC I read somewhere that UA would be sending the -10 to SYD as the 777 replacement
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:04 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 88):

UA will likely use the 35J to SYD. Certainly very unlikely to be the 78J.

I can't see NZ operating a long haul aircraft with zero J seats not enough routes toh make it work so offers no flexibility.

Personally the 789 is the best fit for the 772 replacement with maybe some 779s long term as 77W replacements. 350s seem unlikely but capacity wise could work.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:10 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 88):

Think you'll find it's the A350-1000 that UA will be flying to both SYD and MEL eventually... this useless iPad is not letting me copy and paste the ausbt.com.au link.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:05 am

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 76):
Still quite a bit of life left in the Q's I would think.

You'd hope so! Not much point retiring them prematurely, I guess. I doubt the fuel savings of an ATR-42-600 would be enough to outweigh their capital cost. Still, it seems silly for the airline to have ordered the Q300s, given they already had a fleet of ATRs at the time of the order. Bombardier must have given them a good deal.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 82):

Good work!

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 83):
Speaking of shots, has anyone taken a pic of multiple A380's on the ground at AKL?

Do these count?
http://bit.ly/1xBjLOD
http://bit.ly/1BuEmZR
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:10 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 91):
Bombardier must have given them a good deal.

They needed the order to keep the production line going. Air NZ got 17 Q300's for USD200m (NZD350m) or USD11.76m each, plus 9 options for a similar price. The options had to be exercised within a specified time.

http://airnewzealand.co.nz/press-rel...w-aircraft-purchase-for-air-nelson

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:21 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 86):
Could we see some -8 versions for leisure markets with higher Y seating then the current -9s? Hopefully the -10 version also joins the fleet as a 772 replacement

Way back when Kerry Reeves talked of ~250-seat 789 . Perhaps this might be 24J /28 Y+/ 209Y for 261-seats. This is roughly proportional to the 77E.
In my view the 78J would need to be ~ 260t MTOW to work for NZ. I would expect they would be looking for a 40t payload for a 13hr sector time. I am sure that there will need to be a HGW version sometime in the early 2020's.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:47 pm

Does NZ management realise that using All Blacks in marketing photoshoots makes the aircraft seats look smaller than they really are? (and that's saying something). They should use jockeys, or players from the men's badminton team or something.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:30 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 94):

That's actually a really good point. I imagine that it must have crossed their minds somewhere along the way, and that the publicity of the All Blacks in NZ is enough to outweigh the negatives of using them. I make the suggestion that the fact that the All Blacks are looking comfortable in NZ's seats will actually give off the idea that the seats are spacious and comfortable if big guys like the All Blacks can sit in them.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:52 am

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 95):
I make the suggestion that the fact that the All Blacks are looking comfortable in NZ's seats will actually give off the idea that the seats are spacious and comfortable if big guys like the All Blacks can sit in them.

I think as far as the "All Blacks!! Wow!!" demographic goes (aka the "another Hobbit safety video!! Awesome!!" demographic); you're probably right. However I remember an early 772 promotion that featured Richie McCaw in a J class seat. The flaws of that product (too narrow, lacking in privacy and the partition too low) could not have been made more abundantly obvious than with using that person as a model.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:07 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 96):

Wait until they throw Kieran Read into a Skycouch  
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:40 am

The CAA issued Minister Brownlee, the then Minister of Transport, a $2,000 infringement notice for breaching CAR 19.357(b)--the avoiding Christchurch security incident. That is the max fine amount that can be issued through an infringement notice for that offence (despite what the Stuff commenters may say!).

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...-fined-for-airport-security-breach

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 149

Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:43 pm

This website commenced 27 October on a trial basis with daily updates and photos of Toulouse activity.
http://digitalairliners.com/TLSWatch/ No sign of ZK-MVF yet.

The companion website http://digitalairliners.com/toulouse/ is usually updated monthly.

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